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The politics and social liabilities of Driver-less vehicles ?

  1. ahorseback profile image80
    ahorsebackposted 5 weeks ago

    So your brand new driver-less vehicle is driving innocently down the highway with your usual car-poolers  ,  you get to the intersection at  5th and Grand   And all of a sudden two things happen at once ,  a loose doberman  runs out into the street on the left and a  congressional lobbyist  in a three piece suit with ear buds in walks off the sidewalk on the right .

    There is no time to stop , Which way does the car swerve ?
    Towards the dog or towards the congressional lobbyist ?

    Careful , You will be graded .

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      The scenario you described would not happen in my lifetime. The self driving car is a phanthom dream. I see a case of intelligent assisted driving coming and already here in some high end cars. I also see it as an improvement to the many trucks on the highway... however, for day to day driving, I cannot see self driving cars being implemented. There are just too many problems on the road and too many drivers who are not machine “ready”. It is this mixed environment that I wrote about which will defeat the full implementation of self driving vehicles. Here is my test. If they can have self driving cars on the streets in Beijing today, then I will be convinced.

      1. ahorseback profile image80
        ahorsebackposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Good points all , No there are to many inherent road / traffic hazards , human frailties and technical  nightmares ..........Talk about a climbing highway death toll !

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          And yet...the record of autonomous cars is far better than any human driven rate.  We can think up a thousand odd situations that will give a robotic brain fits, and know that it will make the wrong decision some of the time, but the bottom line is that it will save, not cost, lives.  The savings from drunk drivers alone would tip the scales.

          1. jackclee lm profile image82
            jackclee lmposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            That is the fallacy of people who believe in autonomous cars...
            The safety is the selling point.
            How do you solve the real problem of a mixed driving environment? Humans along side machines?

            1. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Can you refute that autonomous cars have been in fewer accidents per million miles driven than humans?  No?  Which one is safer, then?

              I have heard of just one autonomous accident that just should not have happened, when the car drove under a truck it could not "see".  Even then the manufacturer, Tesla, makes a big think of the fact that autonomy is NOT ready for the highways yet, and won't be for some time to come.

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                You are missing the point. In any controlled environment, the parameters are easy to set and the results can be impressive. However, scale that up by 1000000 or higher and you will see why it will not work. Especially, in the real world, the reality is these cars will have to share the road with us humans for quite a while. As I said, the prove of the pudding is on the streets of Beijing. If autonomous car can survive in that environment, I will become a convert.

                1. ahorseback profile image80
                  ahorsebackposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Seriously out of 1.4 billion with a B auto's and 10 million  driver-less cars by 2020 , Isn't  it enough that those ratio's , especially today, cannot be compared effectively ?  There will be a whole new category of highway deaths and  technical causation of automobile accidents   .

                  I often wonder about cell phone blind spots that pocket the mountainous regions of America , where I live as much as 20 -30 % of the area lacks  cell coverage , how will that effect the driver-less car?

                  1. wilderness profile image98
                    wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    What am I missing here?  What does cell coverage have to do with anything - those cars "see" things from road signs to the road to obstructions and carry a map to boot.  What do they need, or use, cell coverage for?

                    (If you only have 30% of the rural roads without cell coverage you have a lot more than I do!)

                2. wilderness profile image98
                  wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Well, somebody is missing the point as that is already being done with near perfect results.  We've got quite a ways to go, but for a start that near perfection is pretty darn good.

                  1. jackclee lm profile image82
                    jackclee lmposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Where is that? Is it in Beijing? Paris, NYC, Boston...?

 
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