Another Tesla crash...

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   Due to auto pilot mode feature. Are drivers over confident of the technology still in experimental mode?
   Who is at fault, the driver, the car or Tesla the company?
   What is amazing is that we are allowing this experiment with human lives conducted right in our streets and highways...where is the transportation safety board? Do your job!

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      wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Kind of jumping the gun, aren't we?  "Tesla has not yet received any data from the car and thus does not know the facts of what occurred, including whether Autopilot was engaged" a company spokesperson said in a statement Monday night."

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         jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         I heard that but the driver has weighed in...she could be lying...
         It is not the first time a self driving car has crashed in broad daylight...

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            jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            It does beg the question, if all the sensors and capabilities are there, why not use it to avoid an accident auto pilot engaged or not? It seems Tesla is the one jumping the gun here. Why not develop these new technologies incrementally and learn all the intracasies of driving before offering a product too soon?

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            wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            No, it's not the first time a computer controlled car has crashed.  Of course, per million miles driven, they have a far better record than people do...
            
            You're asking why not develop a car that will never crash regardless of circumstances or malfunction, and wait until that goal is accomplished before doing any testing?  I don't think that's very realistic.

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               jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               That is not what I am asking. What I prefer is incremental development as we move in that direction. Just as we developed cruise control for highway driving, and later warning for blind side lane passing, to auto braking when backing up or encountering an obsticle... the next step of autonomous driving should be incorporated slowly and with many more testing in realistic circumstances.
               Rushing like Tesla into this without proper testing is what leads to these serious accidents unnecessarily. What is worse is publicizing this to the public and misleading them to think the technology is here and ready for prime time.

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                  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Again, not possible. 
                  
                  Shall we teach the computer what a dog looks like, and test it for a couple of years?  Then a train for 2 more years?  Then another car, a tree, a curb, a person, a person on a bicycle...you get the idea.  To test each individual part of the system for an extended period, particularly when they integrated into a whole, will not work.
                  
                  But what is worse is not publicizing the system as ready for prime time, for that has not even been approached; it is people too lazy and careless enough not to take responsibility for their actions.  No one - not a manufacturer, not a testing company, not a legislature, not a media source - not a single entity has said autonomous cars are anywhere near ready for prime time.  They ALL (particularly manufacturers) emphasize over and over and over that it is NOT ready; that the driver MUST retain control and be attentive.

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                     jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     So it is the stupid driver’s fault??? You give technology too much credit.
                     If anything, humans are more adept at many tasks...

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                        jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        Here is Elon Musk making prediction -
                        http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-mus … ars-2017-2

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                           wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           I suspect he's a little enthusiastic, but he could be right.  Some automation (freeways only, maybe) in 10 years.

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                              jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              My prediction is by 2016 -
                              
                              Self driving vehicles will not be widespread. There may be niche markets such as airport shuttles and city tour buses but for the majority of us, we still will be driving our cars. On highways, some trucks may be equipped with auto pilot on long distance hauls. The driver is still there ready to take over as needed. The increased efficiency and cost savings and safety makes this a competitive advantage.

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                                 wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 2016?

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                                    jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    Sorry, a typo. I meant 2026. I made this prediction as part of a top 10 list of predictions back in 2016.
                                    This was number 7 on my list.
                                    
                                    If you are interested in the rest of my predictions - they are located here at this hub -
                                    
                                    “My-Top-10-Predictions-for-2026”

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                                       wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                       I would agree with that.  One thing I'm curious about is whether they will become popular for the elderly.  When my mother quit driving (poor vision) it really put a crimp in her life - an autonomous car would have added a great deal to her quality of life even if it never left her small town.

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                                          jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                          Uber is a better alternative for seniors who can’t drive anymore.
                                          I also think safety is another issue. Do you want a 90 year old running around town in a self driving vehicle? They would be easy targets for criminals...

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   Here is the story -
   https://abcnews.go.com/US/tesla-model-a … d=55168222

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   The question should be...with all the sophistication of sensors and technology, why did the Tesla car not applied the brake automatically when there is clearly a blockage. A Subaru or Mercedes has that feature already.

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      jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Here is recent top electric sales numbers...
      https://evobsession.com/electric-car-sales/
      They have a long way to go...
      The cost is still very high even with the tax incentives...

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   moses anuoluwa noposted 7 years ago

   ok

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