It's funny but after all the crap the US armed forces went through over Abu Gharib and abusing suspected terrorists, it would seem that prisoner abuse is endemic.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090717/ap_ … ison_abuse
Of course, for anyone who knows anything, it's long been known that putting even a group of seeming normal people (guards) in charge of others (prisoners) leads to abuses.
The above link tells the story of the Stanford Prison and Milgram experiments. They took a group of college kids and divided them into two groups, one guards, one prisoners. The guards, most of whom never showed sadistic tendencies, became devotes of the Maquis de Sade during the experiments. This quote, "It's not that we put bad apples in a good barrel. We put good apples in a bad barrel. The barrel corrupts anything that it touches.", in particular struck a chord with me.
This study proves that people cannot be trusted with power. I'd argue that not only can they not be trusted in guard/prisoner roles, but any role in which people are given the power to decide the fate of another. In effect, the power goes to their head.
The Milgram experiments support this view. In fact, those experiments go a long way to explaining the actions and reactions of Germans and Jews during the Holocaust. Which is why, I suppose, many Nuremberg defendants used the "I was only following orders" excuse. It also explains how otherwise normal kids can participate in atrocities. When it's all around you, you tend to just take cues from the environment.
What's the point of all of this? Nothing much. I just found it interesting that some of the people most loudly bemoaning the "criminal" activities of American soldiers are now guilty themselves of perpetuating the horror themselves. And it's a warning to the rest of us who might be complacent and think we're above doing that. We shouldn't be that sure. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I'd even argue that it's not only guard/prisoner relationships that are susceptible to this kind of abuse, but any relationship in which one person can compel another. Something to ponder I think, especially when we're considering giving so much power to those in government.
I've read about this. That's why our tripartite form of government is so brilliant. Two branches of government are supposed to hold the third branch in check. It worked for a time, but these days everything is as scrambled as it ever could be.
It's important for people to know about these experiments. Thanks for bringing it up tech.
No problem, I found it kind of interesting. Actually I think all three branches were supposed to fight amongst each other so much, they wouldn't have time or energy to infringe on our freedoms. It held up for a while, but those days are long behind us.
Have you seen (or read) "The Reader?" It makes astute observations on the phenomenon. Perhaps those who would be guards are more likely to have the personality traits that lead to abuse of others.
No I haven't but if I understood the way the "guards" and "prisoners" were chosen it was pretty much a double blind so you wouldn't necessarily get the sadistic kids as guards and the submissive kids as prisoners. Besides I have a hard time believing you can take a random sample of kids and get 99% of them to be chosen as guards who were also sadists.
I recommend the film.
It is sad if this is true. However, there will always be a few who can judge right from wrong. With that, there is hope.
I know what my decision would be, but I'm almost certain that my thought processes are different than most people. I wouldn't rationalize torture that way. If I tortured, it would be because I made the choice, not because someone told me it was OK to do so. Heck even the Holocaust had those who were willing to die to do the right thing. I can't help but try to emulate their courage myself.
You are a good person, and I think, someone who thinks.
Providing there is no right or wrong, hope it is
Wait till you get a real socialism here. You'll have lots of observation material - providing you manage to escape...
We'll have a revolution before too long. Our frontier history is not that forgotten.
AMEN brother! And that's not a religious statement!
It reminds me of an experiment done where a piece of fruit like a bannana was put into a jar and presented to a monkey.The monkey had to put his hand into the jar to remove the fruit,but he couldn't remove his hand while he also held the fruit. In fact he would rather die from being attacked than let go of that fruit.Interesting experiment.Humans are like that too.
Well, both you and I know that revolutions rarely lead to planned outcome, at least on a populace level
True, but when it happens, I plan to secede.
LOL I gave it up long ago, and replaced it with the risk analysis. Serves me quite well since
You can still hope, Misha, that doesn't mean you don't plan for the worst.
Don't believe the church and state,
and everything they offer.
Believe in me,
I'm with the High Command!
There's a gun and ammunition,
Just inside the doorway.
Use it only in emergency...
A little Mike and the Mechanics for your listening pleasure!
I love that song!
Yeah excellent song but Yikes.
Mike & The Mechanics - Silent running
by ga anderson 8 years ago
Pres. Obama approved a Gitmo Taliban prisoner swap for U.S. serviceman Bergdahl's release from a Taliban Haggani terrorist group.The brief details are that the Obama Administration had been negotiating through the third party of Qatar for the release of American serviceman hostage Bowe...
by LAURENS WRIGHT 10 years ago
What steps do you feel that Hitler used to empose his power ?Hitler rose to power and then tracked down countless people and slaughtered them. Why did the people not resist the military? What happened ? Could this same tactic or scheme be used today ? Are you seeing any...
by kookoo88 12 years ago
The situation: The party wants to get into a secure fortress. A servant's guild has agreed to get them in by posing as servants. The problem: One of the party is a knight in full plate with a big sword sticking over his shoulder. 1. he can't take off the armor. 2. he can't get rid of the sword. 3....
by JaxsonRaine 10 years ago
Politicians, stars, and media folk... there's one resounding theme among those calling for gun control. They are overwhelmingly surrounded by and protected by guns.All these people, from TV anchors to movie stars to the POTUS, send their children to schools that have their own private armed staff....
by jkchandra 11 years ago
Why do women stay in relationships that are rocky with husbands that repeatedly abuses them
by Inquiringmind2012 11 years ago
Do you think that The United States should use long term criminals for war, instead of using our good men? This would clear out our jails, save tax payers money and maybe in some sick way rehabilitate some of the criminals. It may scare them into good behavior. Put the criminals...
Copyright © 2023 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. HubPages® is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers to this website may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website.
Copyright © 2023 Maven Media Brands, LLC and respective owners.
|HubPages Device ID||This is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.|
|Login||This is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.|
|HubPages Traffic Pixel||This is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.|
|Remarketing Pixels||We may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.|
|Conversion Tracking Pixels||We may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.|