Do you 'Empire' and equality are compatible? What about 'nation-state' and equal

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   buckleupdorothyposted 13 years ago

   Do you 'Empire' and equality are compatible? What about 'nation-state' and equality? Why or why not?

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   Sirus Huntposted 13 years ago

   Equality isn't compatible with any form of government. Now here me out before you attack this response!
   For two things to be equal, they must be interchangable. That's one of the first rules of algebra and one of its foundations. Communism was based on this ideal, and failed because the people simply aren't interchangable. Now, you can most certainly treat them equally, as you should in my opinion, but they are not equal.

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   Keith Engelposted 13 years ago

   In a nation state, sure equality of outcome is possible because the simple fact of the matter is that through the oppressive nature of such states, basically everybody is poor except those in power. Everybody lives equally in the same misery.
   
   Equality of outcome is a myth, a pipe dream that gets smoked through a bong during college from professors who smoked the same bong ignoring reality. When ever the term equality gets used, or was used in the Declaration of Independence, the term didn't apply for equality of outcome, but equality in that all are born the same, Tabula Rasa, those born with physical or mental disabilities not withstanding. Yet, even in such cases as those born with physical or mental disability can often time rise above such matters and achieve. Furthermore, the concept of equality doesn't mean that everyone can be born into the same situation's as every other man, and to try to accomplish that task, well see the first paragraph once more.
   
   Equality as a concept has actually one of the narrowest definitions possible, the only thing that can be ensured when it comes to equality is equality of opportunity and protecting this ability to have same opportunity. This then leads to the Individual Rights that are also in the Declaration of Independence and the entire basis for the Republic that eventually got formed later in the Constitution, that we no longer live in as well, was to protect the Individual Rights so that everybody could have equal opportunity.  Perhaps I will write my own hub on this matter in the future.

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   Nick Hanlonposted 13 years ago

   I'm presuming that your title should have read "Do you think..."Let's go back a bit.The Romans became a multi-ethnic empire because it had too if it wanted to survive,but as the E.U. has discovered,loyalty is not negotiable if the society is not to be divided.Sure,we can be all equal before the law and have one vote count as much as any other citizen,but equality of outcome is counterproductive.Should a garbage collector be paid as much as a Doctor?That would be bizarre!The streets would be spotless but we wouldn't have a prayer of surviving a common disease.As has happened many times before people get to e treated better by the empire or the state because the state has no option but to do that.It's a matter of record that President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964 not thru any great love of humanity,but because he wanted more people to vote for the Democrats.{What he actuallly said is too crude to repeat in polite company}So all nations and empires start out as gentleman's clubs and end up being a raucous punk rock show because they need as many people to fill up their office's,factorys etc...this is what generates equality;not some high-minded ideal.People do have the power,they just don't realize that they do.What is a state without people to govern?

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