Newtown kids v Pakistanis: what explains the disparate reactions?

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  1. James-wolve profile image74
    James-wolveposted 7 years ago

    Newtown kids v Pakistanis: what explains the disparate reactions?

    First of all,my warm condolences to the grieving families.My question is not intended to offend anybody here,but rather to know what explains the disparate reactions.Most of the world's media,which has rightly commemorated the children of Newtown,either ignores Obama's murders or accepts the official version that all those killed by the U.S Drone Strikes in June 2012 are 'militants.The children of north-west Pakistan, it seems,are not like American children. They have no names, no pictures,no memorials of candles and flowers and teddy bears.They belong to the other: to the non-human world.

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  2. Sullen91 profile image80
    Sullen91posted 7 years ago

    Good question. I'm afraid non-Americans are not human. They're "bug splats" in the single player video games we play. It should have been "Game Over" on these crimes against humanity long ago.

    And people have the nerve to rail against the fake thing. We live in disturbing times.

    1. Sullen91 profile image80
      Sullen91posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Do such people as "JThomp42" think that the drone strategy is viable? Could they not care less about dispatching drones to kill people who are innocent victims, writ large in the absence of a trial? Should other countries use  drones this way too?

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      JThomp42posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What in the absence of a trial??

    3. James-wolve profile image74
      James-wolveposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I guess you have read the powerful and eloquent  Guardian week column  by George Monbiot.I agree with you.

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      JThomp42posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Never heard of him James.

    5. Sullen91 profile image80
      Sullen91posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      A shot at def. in a court of law. US refuses. Instead,  authorizes "SIGNATURE" strikes. Congressmen w consc demand answer from Pres:
      http://preview.tinyurl.com/c7fjnda

      Drones threaten post WWII intnl law says UN. http://preview.tinyurl.com/8xkvlmo

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      JThomp42posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Sullen.... This means "NOTHING!" We are fighting a war against terror that should have been started 2 decades ago.

    7. James-wolve profile image74
      James-wolveposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry JThomp42, my comment was  to Sullen91.Anyway,as you asked, he is the author of the bestselling books The Age of Consent: A Manifesto for a New World Order and Captive State: The Corporate Takeover of Britain...

    8. Sullen91 profile image80
      Sullen91posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Short term illegal and immoral expediency -- widely condemned -- never augurs long term peace. It sets precedent for more slaughter, bloodier massacres, greater wars and destruction.

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    JThomp42posted 7 years ago

    With all due respect, the parents of these children should not be hiding militants in their homes knowing they are putting their families as well as their neighbor's lives at risk. Do not harbor extremists, and you will not have anything to worry about. The world wants to hate us and harm us but do not want to deal with the circumstances. And may I add that you will always hate us because we are non-believers of Islam.

    1. ThompsonPen profile image74
      ThompsonPenposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      But if the tables were turned, wouldn't Americans do the same?

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      JThomp42posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I don't understand what you are asking Thompson?

    3. Sullen91 profile image80
      Sullen91posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      No innocent children have been killed in these precision strikes on account of mistakes? Have you hear about Tariq Aziz? Have you heard  "signature" strikes and tribal elders. Or guy who quit

    4. James-wolve profile image74
      James-wolveposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Tht s not true.Muslims dont hate the Americans because of bein nonbelievers of Islam,but they hate their foreign policy in the Midl east and how could you explain of the 1.4million who serve in the US Military,  about 3,500 are Arab/Muslim Americans?

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      JThomp42posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      But, in their hearts they still hate the United States. Stop giving thes militants refuge and putting a bulls eye on top of your home. Simple as that. We did not start this, it was started by Muslim extremist on 9/11. We are just finishing it!!

    6. Sullen91 profile image80
      Sullen91posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The US has illegally:

      kidnapped, tortured, murdered, invaded, lied, given immunity, held w/o charge created a new party of war criminals, continues to hold people w/o charge in gtmo, violation sovereignty, extrajudicial assasination,  incl. US cits

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      JThomp42posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, and why. Muslim extremist attacked us first killing almost 3 thousand innocent people. And they would love to kill more. That is why they are being disposed of before they can act. Like I said, they started it, deal with the consequences.

    8. Sullen91 profile image80
      Sullen91posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Ok. No chance of reasoning with proponent of mass genocide vis a vis terrorist attacks said to be carried out by terorist org.

      Enough said.

    9. James-wolve profile image74
      James-wolveposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      JThomp42 ,9/11 was an inside job and America has finished nothing.It added mor fuel to the fire.They hav awakened the historical giant from its slumber.Now,th whole world,especialy the Europe as Pamela Geller says is starting to bow its head to Islam

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      JThomp42posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Simply not true James.

    11. James-wolve profile image74
      James-wolveposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Can you explain that ?

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      JThomp42posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Conspiracy theory!!!!!!!!!! I agree to disagree. I do not wish to continue to debate this any farther. Merry Christmas James!!

    13. James-wolve profile image74
      James-wolveposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Ok:)Sorry my friend,I can t use that kind of greeting but I prefer this one:  Peace be on Jesus,son of Mary.The day he was born,The day he dies and the day he will be raised up again to life to you too

  4. maddot profile image76
    maddotposted 7 years ago

    Good  question.
    The loss of life whether it be in the USA or Pakistan is truly sad. Perhaps the response to the Newtown tragedy is because it's in your own backyard.
    I'm sure the children in Pakistan want the same as children all over the world - love, safety, education and a healthy future.

    1. James-wolve profile image74
      James-wolveposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Yes maddot,Killing children is an unforgivable crime whatever the reason is.

  5. crazymom3 profile image81
    crazymom3posted 7 years ago

    I live my life secluded too busy to know of the many war crimes around the world so that I was not aware of this. To me war is senseless and any life lost child or adult a sad event.  Everyone deserves to be remembered but what made the connecticut tragedy shocking to me was the reasoning or lack of reasoning behind it.  In war you expect casualties (i'm not saying it makes it right).  The connecticut act was simply unexpected and completely targetted children for no apparent reason other then insanity. My heart feels for those who have lost someone whether in the us or elsewhere. I wish it would all just stop.

    1. James-wolve profile image74
      James-wolveposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Very true.I agree with everything you say.

  6. Charlu profile image78
    Charluposted 7 years ago

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    The unnecessary death of any child or adult is devastating and war as crazymom stated is senseless. It takes so many innocent victims of all ages who through no fault of their own are subject to ungodly events that can never be forgotten.  It is also tragic that children are used as decoys and ploys so that more Americans and children of Pakistan or any other country for that matter are maimed or murdered.

    9/11 and the revenge thereof or the halting of more terrorist attacks is something that should have been completed long ago in reference to out presence there.  I would also fight if we were invaded by those trying to take away everything my culture had taught me.  We got what we wanted (Bin Laden and other terrorist, better security in airports, etc.) yet we continue to try to control that which is not ours to control.  It's like trying to predict every American that will commit a mass murder or some other unspeakable tragedy and locking them away or just blowing their heads off "just in case"  There comes a point when we have to admit when it's out of our hands.

    It's like Vietnam to me and wondering if anyone can tell me our true purpose there and if it was worth it?

    Do we need to be aware and continue to monitor those who threaten our country? Without a doubt, but there has to be a line drawn and a time to say enough is enough to protect the rest who will die without a cause.

    You also have to realize that with the amount of recent tragic events in regards to  our youth being slaughtered that we would want to comfort, support, pray, and make others aware of what an unnecessary amount of preventable tragic events we have endured, and allow us to morn for our own.

    Take a look at the picture and tell me any child anywhere should have to witness the something that brings that much terror and sadness to their faces no matter where they are.

    My prayers are with you and your families for this is out of my control, therefore I shall but it in Gods hands and try to keep my faith and trust in check, as I hope you would do also in your faith. Take care.

    1. James-wolve profile image74
      James-wolveposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What it doesn t make any sense to me,with all respect to the grieving families, is that why he’s crying over the recent tragic deaths of children in America but is unmoved over the deaths of those who become victims to his drone program in Pakistan.

    2. Charlu profile image78
      Charluposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I think it is because the US is something he is supposed to be protecting especially the children and as a father (not to just his children but as an overall protector) realized just how vulnerable we really are.  I believe he mourns/prays for both

    3. James-wolve profile image74
      James-wolveposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What you said here is like saying :he Killed the victim and walked In his funeral.I doubt he shed any tears over Pakistanis children.They were targeted accidentally on purpose.They were collateral damage.

    4. Charlu profile image78
      Charluposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      James are you kidding me? Because if that's what you comprehended out of what I said then you need help Are you trying to twist words around to make you feel more validated about your opinion?  May God Bless You and I will pray you find understanding

    5. James-wolve profile image74
      James-wolveposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I am not kidding.I am not that type of  people, if  you read the book "Mediated"by Thomas de Zengotita and watched the Princess Diana's Funeral and mourners ,for sure you will understand what I am trying to say.

  7. ReneeDC1979 profile image60
    ReneeDC1979posted 7 years ago

    I understand what you're saying.  I agree life is valuable, child and adult.  But, I wouldn't compare what happened in Newtown to what happened in Pakistan.  I think the situations are totally different with very different circumstances.  I think in America, we have failed to make mental health a more relevant issue so that those who really need help, get it.  I think the young man who committed all of those murders in Newtown needed help a long time ago.  It's unfortunate everything happened the way it did, and I think it's sad that you are condemning the President of the United States for his reaction to what happened in Newtown.  I don't think we should assume that he has no feelings or sadness for children or anyone killed anywhere for that matter.  We don't know what is going through his head.
    I think anything the President does good, bad and indifferent will always be seen as subpar simply because he is the President.  I think when an incident such as what happened in Newtown occurs in the country where you live it hits home.  Think about the snipers in 2002, no one was crying or saying Oh No, the President didn't shed tears about deaths in China, etc. No, we were trying to figure out when these killers would be captured, so the killings would stop.

    Because the President is the President, he will always catch a bad wrap for any decision he makes where it's the U.S. versus whoever and fighting is involved, and death.  And he's human.  His reaction to every situation will be different.

    How many times has someone told you Mr. so and so died?  Did you cry?  Not necessarily.  It depends on the effect their life has on you.  Are we saddened when innocent people lose their lives?  Sure.  But, we do not express our emotions the same everytime.

    1. James-wolve profile image74
      James-wolveposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I don t condemn Obama s tear or I am here to make fun of him.With all respect,mor than170children wer killed in Obama’sillegal drone war in Pakistan.Who z the responsible?who s in charge of the country?the President or just President is th President?

 
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