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Speaking about jumping to conclusions

  1. ledefensetech profile image70
    ledefensetechposted 8 years ago

    Left wing nuts were just sure that this guy was killed by anti-government zealots:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091125/ap_ … JpdGllc2g-

    So when the Ft. Hood thing happened, we were all enjoined to not start making assumptions about the shooter.  Really?  Looks like our media outlets are not as impartial as they'd like us to think.  Another example of left wing bias and inconsistency.

    The one thing I find deplorable about the situation was the "credible witness" who didn't believe Sparkman when he detailed his plan for killing himself.  It's one thing to say you're depressed or you feel like ending it, it's another thing entirely to have a plan and tell someone about it.

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    Leta Sposted 8 years ago

    Nobody needs to paint fundamental 'wingnuts' of any persuasion in a certain light, LDT.  They do that on their own.

    The really sad thing is that the so-called 'conservatives' of Hubpages feel like they have to DEFEND possible violent wingnuts who may have been suspected of the crime you detail (given the rather glaring physical evidence).  However, if possible violent wingnut is from another religious persuasion (Muslim), it's perfectly right and fine to condemn them.

    But missing the point is par usual for said group.

  3. Paraglider profile image94
    Paragliderposted 8 years ago

    Ledefensetech - off topic, but something you said recently inspired a hub from me, in which I credit & link you. Just wondering if you saw it? (It's called 'Imagine no Possession...' and is about property rights & freedom.
    Sorry for interrupting smile

  4. livelonger profile image95
    livelongerposted 8 years ago

    As far as I remember, there have been speculations based on the evidence revealed at the time of the death that it was motivated by anti-government people (in fact, the suicide was staged to look that way). No one was calling for anyone in particular to be locked up.

    Keep in mind that the tea baggers have increasingly been hinting at violent uprising against the government, and Michelle Bachmann said that the census is dangerous, comparing it to Japanese internment camps. So, there was reason to speculate that right-wing groups were behind his death.

  5. ledefensetech profile image70
    ledefensetechposted 8 years ago

    Actually Lita, the view of conservatives on Hubpages seems to be that they're metaphorically tarred and feathered by others on the boards for their beliefs.  In my time, I've been called a revisionist historian, immature, ignorant and other less mentionable things.  Which is all to the good, if left nuts think I'm that bad, then I must be doing something right.

    No I haven't seen it Paraglider, I'll be sure to check it out.  Should I be flattered that I inspired a hub?

    Livelonger, the "teabaggers" as you derisively call them have not been calling for a violent anything, unlike certain left leaning groups I could name that actually have engaged in violence (Black Panthers, SEIU, Earth First, etc.).  Your so-called speculation is known by another word:  fear mongering.

    The census is dangerous in the hands of the current people in Washington, Democrat or Republican.  It's not about democracy or fair representation, but of jerrymandering areas to benefit one party over another.  It makes little sense to have the two political parties in charge of so important an job.  After all, what's really stopping them from re-drawing Congressional boundaries as they see fit.

    1. Paraglider profile image94
      Paragliderposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I think you were rather hard on it in your comment, but thanks anyway, for the visit.

    2. livelonger profile image95
      livelongerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Teabaggers will be the term I continue to use against the protesters who are motivated not by a real set of policy differences, but by pure cultural revolt. And plenty of them have threatened "armed revolt" if they feel their rights are being infringed upon. Your left-wing violent organizations references would be taken seriously if they weren't so old.

      As for fearmongering: the DHS report suggests right-wing groups are the ones that threaten violence today. And it's always seemed to me that left-wingers will happily condemn violent radicals, while right-wingers defend the violent fringe on their side.

      I take your point about jerrymandering, but this is an age-old problem in politics and the census itself is not the problem (and it's certainly not the reason the Bachmanns of the world fear it).

      1. tksensei profile image60
        tksenseiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Because it's easier to dismiss out of hand the concerns of so many of your fellow citizens than to actually consider why they are dissatisfied. Those 2010 elections are getting closer and closer...

        1. livelonger profile image95
          livelongerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I don't consider the concerns of people who:
          - still question the country of birth of our president
          - ignore fiscal responsibility when a Republican is in office, and obsess about it when a Democrat is
          - obsess about Obama's czars as if Republican presidents didn't have them
          - are totally against "government health care" but will defend Medicare
          These people can not be reasoned with. I understand they're a large voting bloc in this country. That doesn't mean they can be reasoned with.

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    Leta Sposted 8 years ago

    That's quite interesting that they feel like victims and are being ganged up on, LDT.  I have read that this is indeed a psychological trait of social conservatives, yes.  Even when given the basic fact that they are the MAJORITY here on the political boards (yes, a fact...check the top posters) rather than a minority.


    But, actually, I'm hoping that my point came across to you in my last post. Yeah?

  7. tksensei profile image60
    tksenseiposted 8 years ago

    In other words, you will not consider the concerns of fellow citizens who do not think entirely like yourself on any number of political issues? So many people decry the divisiveness in our political discourse today. I guess it's always the 'other guys' who are responsible...

    1. livelonger profile image95
      livelongerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Can you read? Seriously. If you think the teabaggers represent the *only* "conservative" perspective, then you need to get out more and meet new people. There are reasonable conservatives. I can listen to them even if I don't always agree with them. The teabaggers are not reasonable. They usually can't even express their own viewpoint without making utter asses of themselves.

      1. tksensei profile image60
        tksenseiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        The 'who'?

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    Denno66posted 8 years ago

    We need more movie stars and comedians in office. I'm just saying.....