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   Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago

   What is the worst thing about marijuana.?
   
   To me by far the worst thing, is cannabis/marijuana is illegal and worldwide except in one Country. This war on drugs has been losing since 1936 except for Cartels, lawyers and prison's.
   
   In moderation cannabis/marijuana is a herb and helpful like organic wine. Cannabis/hemp is the most useful and productive plant in the world.
   
   Why is everything so backward?
   Your thoughts.

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   Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago

   Ignore this thread, go to the other one.

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   jonnycomelatelyposted 6 years ago

   CP, it's very difficult for me to give a clear answer to your question.
   I don't use it.  Have tried a brief smoke couple of times.  Don't like the sensation.  And don't need it.  So personally it is not important.
   But, the rights of others who do like it?  Individual choice.  But I don't think it should become an open market, subject to advertising, commercial pressures, by people who want to get others hook, so as to make a lot of money.  That's greed and selfishness.
   I know that cannabis can play havoc with young developing minds; not all of course but enough to question its use.
   I understand that governments don't want to legalise it because if it's allowed they can't make money out of it.

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   Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago

   alcohol use was highly associated with unsafe driving, especially among frequent drinkers. Compared to non-drinkers, frequent drinkers were over 13 times more likely to report that their alcohol use has led to unsafe driving. Marijuana users, compared to non-users, were three times more likely to report unsafe driving as a direct result of use for high school students.” Alcohol is worst for your mind, at least if they legalized pot they can control the soft drug to minors age restrictions.
   
   Holland schedule 2,  marijuana like for alcohol and percentage wise of teenagers. In Canada we were double the pot user than in Holland at schedule 1. Schedule 1 meaning no usefulness, no benefits and harmful to your health drug.
   
   Made a mistake with title thread ha e, use other thread.

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not sure that a willingness to reveal unsafe driving habits has much to do with unsafe driving habits.

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   PrettyPantherposted 6 years ago

   Marijuana has been legal in my state for awhile now.  I know some people who smoke in the evening to relax, some who smoke socially once a week or so, and some who smoke pretty much all day every day. I also know some who never smoke but who consume the occasional dose of CBD oil (me--I don't like the smoke going in my lungs and I don't like the feeling of being high) .  My observation is that, for most people, pot is simply a relaxation tool.  For those who smoke all day every day, though, it does become a crutch and a negative influence on their everyday behavior.  They seem to become less motivated and more detached from the world.
   
   Another negative effect for those who smoke a lot is damage to their airways--coughing, asthma flareups, and trouble breathing.
   
   I haven't observed much driving under the influence of marijuana, so I really have no first-hand observation about that, but it is illegal to do so anyway. 
   
   One positive effect for those who used to buy pot illegally is that they now know precisely what they are getting, including whether or not pesticides were used, the THC & CBD content, where it was grown, the expected effects, etc.
   
   Last, I know one person with chronic, severe anxiety whose life dramatically improved once they were able to legally smoke marijuana.

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      MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Pretty Panther, medical or recreational, or both? If medical, did they place a sales tax on it? My beef is that all prescriptions in my state are not subject to sales tax, but our new medical marijuana laws put a sales tax on it.

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         PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Both recreational and medical are legal. We don't have sales tax in Oregon, but there is a 17% state marijuana tax. Cities can add an additional 3%, but I think it has to be approved by the voters.

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Out of curiosity, are you aware of the rationale used to tax that segment of the population (pot smokers) a 17% tax?  Was it like cigarettes, with the excuse being additional costs to the state, or just a cash windfall paid for by a few of the people?

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               PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               I didn't closely follow the legalization process so can't really tell you the rationale. I can tell you that the taxes are used for administration of the growers and dispensaries, mental health and drug and alcohol treatment, early prevention of drug/alcohol abuse, law enforcement, etc. I also know a sizeable chunk goes to counties and cities who have growers and dispensaries.

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                  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  That's what I meant.  Administration of growers, etc. seems a reasonable use of those specialty taxes if that administration is about specific safety concerns - administration of just another business does not.  Drug and alcohol treatment or abuse programs, general law enforcement and such does not.  And of course it sounds like it could be nothing but a windfall from the backs of a few to counties and cities.
                  
                  I'm all for specialty taxes being used for uses related to what is being taxed - I pay a tax on my RV, most of which goes to fish and game and state campgrounds, for instance, and that sounds very reasonable.  Gas taxes are supposed to go to road maintenance.  But when the state does a multi-million renovation of the state house and brags it came 100% from smokers (cigarette, not weed), well, that just doesn't make sense to me.  It's just not right to target a small, politically powerless, group for taxes to support the general wants of the state.  Let ALL the people pay for what ALL the people use.

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                     jonnycomelatelyposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Did it ever occur to you that a social conscience and genuine uses of taxes could really  work?  In a country far from Texas, where the Almighty Dollar is not supreme?
                     I have little knowledge of Uraguay but I do know that not all the world is predominantly capitalistic and consumerist.

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                        wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        I'm not sure how that ties to government super-taxing a small, powerless minority for what the entire population needs and wants but doesn't want to pay for.  Can you be more specific?

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                     MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     For once I agree with you Wilderness. I think that's what is going on in our state that has newly legalized medical marijuana. The growers, and there will be only 5 of them in the whole state have to pay:
                     
                     "State fee to grow medical marijuana set at $100,000 a year"...The Arkansas Medical Marijuana Commission set the fee amount on Tuesday, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported. The commission also decided that people who apply must have a $1 million bond or assets worth $1 million and be able to show $500,000 in cash liquidity. The requirements are in addition to a $15,000 application fee the commission approved last week."
                     
                     So, you already have to be filthy rich to even apply for a license. Transporters fees and dispensary fees are comparable. Licenses for growers were issued this week, but a circuit judge with a reputation for personal politics has already nulled the decision. He makes a very logical legal argument but since he already has a bad personal reputation for allowing politics into his decisions, should we believe that his decision is strictly a constitutional issue?  All the applications will have to be rescored and the licenses reissued.
                     I'm sure our politicians are sitting around counting their "benefits" on their fingers.

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                        GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Hi MizBejabbers, You agree with Wilderness, and I agree with you.
                        
                        "So, you already have to be filthy rich to even apply for a license."
                        
                        "I'm sure our politicians are sitting around counting their "benefits" on their fingers"
                        
                        I bet it would be interesting to hear your state's justifications for such high fees. I took a look and see that you also have a special "privilege"  tax, (4%), on marijuana sales too .
                        
                        GA

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                        wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Sounds like a double effort - price it out of the range of nearly everyone while padding government coffers at the same time.
                        
                        It's been a little comical to watch cigarette taxes over the years.  They go up and up, always because it's "good for the citizen" (ban on smoking using the pocketbook for enforcement), followed by tears when the income is reduced.    I also see it as the methodology being used for a great many things today - if we can't get a majority to agree to a law, go around and through the back door to accomplish the same thing.  Legal and political machinations to force the people into what they don't want, in other words.

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   Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago

   I guess I am stuck with this thread title.
   
   We know marijuana is less harmful than alcohol and many other legal drugs.
   
   If you get tested for drugs at work ,pot stays in your system for a month vs Alcohol a day or two. You lose your job and ruin your life maybe with a police record
   
   The last pass 40 years prisons have grown 10 times with only 13percent violent criminals. In my youth it was mostly violent criminals caged. Corperations want to bid on good behaviors prisoners for very cheap prison labor. cannabis remains listed as a Schedule I illegal drug in the U.S.
   
   In another words, despite 29 states legalizing medical marijuana and eight states legalizing adult-use marijuana, the United States government still considers marijuana an illegal drug with no health benefits and a high potential for abuse.
   We would get the profits instead of shady people on street corners. It would save money by emptying prisons of such stupid first offenses. There are so very many reasons to legalize weed, the those government baffoons are so sick to miss it.
   
   It's cops lurking around every corner, not Terrorist, like on the news every day.

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      MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Darn, CP, I hate that. I just put a long post on your other forum. Do you want me to copy and paste it to this one so you can delete the other one?

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   psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago

   It's also legal in Uraguay, Spain and Jamaica if you are Rasta. Possibly soon to be legal in the hotbed of criminality, Canada.

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      Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Uruguay is the only totally free country without conditions to use cannabis/marijuana in the world because 1 gram only cost $1. 
      
      USA wants to stranglehold everyone , yet the more they squeeze, the more we slip through their fingers.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   Marijuana is legal because we don't want to waste space/expense in jails on pot heads. Thats all. Who wants to smoke the crap? its self-induced mental retardation. Its effects are Yin in nature. The substance wakens your gums and weakens your will. Its just a stupid yin plant.

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      Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Don't smoke it, eat it. You would not smoke lettuce. Also cannabis is second most nutritious food on the world market.
      
      The US drug war started out with only 50" 000 pot user's in 1936. Today more 150 million US pot users and more users in the world than their are Christians. Jesus used cannabis as a mediicine, was Jesus stupid. They brought back cannabis to win the second world war than made it illegal again. They should of made war schedule 1 illegal as it solves nothing.
      
      These reefer madness psycho brought on the stupid BS pubic enemy number 1 campaigns because many synthetic produces could not complete with this world's greatest green plant. Such as forestry, medicine, alcohol, legal drugs, cotton, fuel, plastics, rope, canvas, oil, steel and list gose on for thousands of products.
      
      Stupid is,  what stupid dose.

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         wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         How much protein does cannabis have in it?  Or what percentage of the RDA's does an amount insufficient to produce any detectable mental changes provide?  (I suppose it can be processed, the way we do with wheat flour or some other foods, to remove those chemicals, but straight from the plant how much value is it without getting high?)

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            Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            The medicine is only a small part. The far greater crime is when they made all cannabis plant species illegal.

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               MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               You are right about that. If all hemp had been made illegal back then, there would have been no sea-going vessels and Columbus would not have been able to discover America. The Native Americans probably would have been a much happier people today.
               BTW, I think I read somewhere that there was as much or more hemp grown in the colonies and early states as cotton.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Cannabis does back 10'000 years ago from most multi cultural country in mankind history- China. Nobody has ever been reported killed by Cannabis plant directly .
                  
                  When the Corperationism gets a hold of it, they will find a way to F*ck that up too.

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               wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               "Also cannabis is second most nutritious food on the world market."
               
               Was this just propaganda, then - there really isn't much nutrition at all in cannabis?

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                  Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Hemp is healthy! Nutritional value of hemp seeds cannot be overstated, as they feature a complex profile of proteins, fats, vitamins and minerals, that reduce and prevent life threatening diseases, such as cancer and heart disease.
                  
                  RICH SOURCE OF PROTEIN
                  
                  Hemp seeds are an excellent source of protein. Containing all 9 essential amino acids (EAA’s), that the human body does not produce, hemp seeds are second only to soybeans in protein content. In total, hemp seeds contain all 20 amino acids known to man, helping to stimulate muscle growth and strengthen the body’s natural defense system.
                  
                  For vegetarians and vegans, hemp seeds are a perfectly valid meat substitute at around 10g of protein per three tablespoons. Seeds are relatively high in calories as well, making them a perfect dietary addition for athletes and other highly active individuals.

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                     wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     You learn something every day, don't you?  That puts hemp on the list of foods people can eat, then.  Not as valuable as rice or likely even many of the grains, but of definite value.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   Its the tetrahydrocannabinol thats detrimental.

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      jonnycomelatelyposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      This link has a lot of information that might interest you: 
      
      What is THC?
      by Alina Bradford, Live Science Contributor | May 18, 2017 07:35pm ET
      
      I have no first-hand knowledge except that  a young friend hung himself, probably brought on from use of pot in his early teens.

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         Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Pot is known as a happy drug and many cases used as an anti depressants. He must of had much deeper problems, like a lack of love in many cases.

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            Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            When they legalized pot. Then they control the age limit, the way it is now , they can't.

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