Bulldozing Homeless Camps , Supported 2- 1 ?

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   ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

   I read an article in my home state about the bulldozing of homeless camps in the state of NH's  largest city  thinking , okay well that's crazy .  Yet in the poll taken at the end of the article it showed people supported the move to clean up the city 2 to 1 ?
   Is there a negative  American cultural stigma against homeless people ?

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      lovetherainposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      yes.

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         Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         There is a homeless tent town in every major city in the USA. Same story, they call them NIMBY, that stands for- Not in my backyard.
         
         More homeless people than there are public servants, yet half your money gose to the Government.
         
         Who are really, the mentality ill ones?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   The original people of the land knew how to live on it. Homeless people need to learn.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If these camps become invested with germs and junk and drugs and needles, they have to bulldozed ... and burned as well.

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      lovetherainposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Really? Wow.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Many are quite happy living outside.
         Many are over-sensitive to electromagnetic energy emitted throughout buildings and modern structures. Many cannot stand to be in the company of other human beings. Many do not care to struggle for money. Many are weary of the system. Many want the simplicity and are subconsciously or (consciously) slipping into a more natural way of life including the barter system, hunting and gathering, living off the land, resting more, enjoying life more and joining Great Spirit's real world.
         So, yeah ...
         W O W

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            Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            It has to do with alot more about drugs and junkies.
            
            America's homeless population rises for the first time since the Great Recession.

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               and a lack of joy of life.

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            lovetherainposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            what are they going to hunt and gather?

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               stuff left everywhere! which they can trade and barter with. In my area people are leaving stuff out for anyone and everyone to take. They are no longer bothering with garage sales.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   … the cause of homelessness is mostly what?

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      Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Individual and relational factors apply to the personal circumstances of a homeless person, and may include: traumatic events (e.g. house fire or job loss), personal crisis (e.g. family break-up or domestic violence), mental health and addictions challenges (including brain injury and fetal alcohol syndrome), which can ...
      We are not allow homeless towns or tents in Canada, their is a social system for that. Except some prefer to stay away from the Government or are mentally ill from over stress.
      
      You seen nothing yet, wait till the money crashes and war start.

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   Aime Fposted 6 years ago

   Isn’t it telling that people would rather have their city look nice than consider what “cleaning it up” would mean for the lives of the people whose homes they’re “cleaning up”?
   
   Every major city struggles with homelessness. If there’s a real desire to minimize it then people would care to address the actual problems (mental health, addictions, lack of affordable housing, etc.). Attempting to hide the symptoms without actually offering any solutions is like dumping a glass of water on a forest fire.

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      ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      That's exactly right Aime.

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      GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What bravery Aime. Jumping into this topic with such a thought truly is like a glass of courage on a forest fire of reality.
      
      I think your thoughts are valid, but ...
      
      Considering your list of actual problems, (which I agree with), how realistic is it to expect our society to solve them? Can they be solved?
      
      Given our numbers, (millions and millions), do you really think it is our responsibility to solve them? Don't you think there will always be the mentally ill, those dealt the bad hand of joblessness, those facing emotional and societal rejection, (divorce, socially ostracized), and those incapable of dealing with the realities of life?
      
      You can't sugar coat the fact that life can be hard, no matter how 'civilized' we think we might be, and not everyone is up to coping with that "hardness."
      
      I once heard a comment about the Harlem Globe Trotters, (the basket ball show team),  that even on a team of superstars - they all can't be superstars, some will always be better than others. Isn't life that way too?
      
      If any of those thoughts are valid, then is it such a "telling" thing that cities, (societies), want to get rid of the homeless tent cities? Should they really be so condemned for their perspectives? Would you hold the same view of the folks in a nice neighborhood full of kids that condemn the neighbor that has a front yard of 3 foot weeds, overflowing trashcans, seeping sewage, and a couple cars on jackstands in the front yard?
      
      

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         Aime Fposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         No, I don’t expect enough people to come together to figure out a plan of action. That’s the case with a lot of issues.
         
         But you have choices. You can make the effort to fix the root of the problem, which is commendable but perhaps not super successful given what you’re saying and what I’m agreeing with. You can acknowledge that homelessness is a problem that runs rampant pretty much everywhere and do little things to “help” (like throw them some change or let them keep their tent up), which isn’t terribly heroic but at least you’re extending some sympathy. Or you can scoff at their tents or their shopping carts as eyesores and not give a flying fook what happens to them so long as you don’t have to see them for 20 seconds a day on your way to work, which is only going to work temporarily and flips someone’s world upside down (whose world is already pretty chaotic to begin with).
         
         Yep, life will always be harder for some. But I don’t think that means the rest of us need to write them off. Life’s challenges are not always stagnant absolutes. You can do something small to make someone’s life a little bit easier (like not bulldozing their sad version of a home) and even if their life still sucks don’t you think it means something to extend even the tiniest bit of compassion?
         
         And no, I would not hold the same opinion of neighbours who condemn an ugly yard unless they suggest the entire house be destroyed and the family be left with nothing because they didn’t mow the lawn.

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            GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Aime, I do not scoff at them. And I do understand the reality of that religious edict; "... and there, but for the grace of god ..."  (metaphorically speaking of course) The rest is the reality we must all accept.
            
            GA

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         Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         I have seen countriest where I never saw homeless people. Countries like Switzerland, Sweden or Japan are very organised and “clean” where the riches Country US, can't cope with their eye sore , so they bulldozer and make it worst. If you don't house homeless, Government spends $60,000 a year on adverage homeless person between hospital, shelters and prisons.
         
         Even Cuba has better medical and has no homeless. Japan is doing in various areas and one of them is ending homelessness. “All people shall have the right to maintain the minimum standards of wholesome and cultured living”:In their Japanese Constitution
         If Japan has more than 120 million people and “only” around 25,000 homeless people and the United States have more than 320 million people (because it’s also a much bigger country) and just in 2014 around 2,483,539 children experienced homelessness also US has five times the house vacancy vs homeless persons and enough golf course to house the world's homeless.…Which country is better? Or are you doing much to your weakest link. Millionaire jocks and wars are an delusional distraction from the mass suffering.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   A homeless person is one who just can't cut it.
   They can't cut the stress, the coldness of their fellows in market places and business environments. They can't cut the rat race, the polluted food, the use of pharmaceuticals, the coldness and unkindness of family members who have abandoned them, NEVER understood them or tried to help them. The family members who only cared about themselves. A homeless person has been brought down by our educational systems, our legal systems, our institutions of tyrannic law enforcement.
   
   Many of the homeless are vets who never cut in the world once they returned.
   Many are ex-convicts who no one will trust or give a second chance to.
   Many have lost their self esteem, their faith in fellow man, their faith in God. Their knowledge of a God who loves them, who created them, who will help them in any situation They were never told, perhaps, this great news.
   They were never taught skills to live in the real world. They got caught up in marketing drugs/alcohol. Taking drugs/alcohol. Where's the bliss I thought I could find here on earth? Why did I come here? Oh, where is my next fix coming from?
   Its dismal out there.
   And why?
   Lack of education, training, care and concern by FAMILY members, neighbors, and community.
   
   And why? Because the Government is expected to do it.
   And do the homeless want to be dependent on the government?
   
   
   NO.
   NO.
   NO.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   what gives joy of life?
   freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   
   FREEDOM  within moral/commonsense boundaries

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