California passes UK. becoming worlds 5th largest economy ?

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   ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

   Making California an incredible economic  power all it's own , a ideological state -nation of power mongering political idealism , often operating outside of traditional U.S. interests .  Is California's debt the only thing logically keeping political secession from happening , will Orange co. votes alone dictate all of the Cali. legislative future ?
   
   Secession ?

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      Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      California does not operate outside traditional US interests, on the contrary it leads the way to change in America. Of course, sclerotic conservatives are going to have a problem with that. But, again,  the rightwinger has always ultimately been reduced to irrelevance in the grand scheme of things.
      
      I am from California originally, and I am proud to be considered a "California liberal". We have  always been ahead and we are the best. What does any damnable Red State have to offer ?

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         wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         "California does not operate outside traditional US interests"
         
         LOL  As it hides illegal activity, and the people performing it, from law enforcement.  As it refuses to accept US law - that's always in the interests of the country, right?

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            Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

            So, I guess that red cretin of a state, Texas, is operating outside of traditional American values with its attempt to secede soon after Obama's second term? I have not heard California speaking of secession, have you? Can we say that the concept of secession is outside the understanding of American values
            
            http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/14/wh … ht-to.html
            
            So lets not let one example support a general rule.... I don't support what California does here, but there is far more to redeem the state than detract from it.

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         ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         I am not surprised at all you are a proud member of the California state of chaos ,  ideologically ,  Orange county is about as diverse as a troop of Cossacks ,   "....leads the way to change in America ........." yes it does , much like a new wife with a dozen "no limit " credit cards handed to her by a rich sugar -daddy .
         
         That's leadership ?

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            Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Every state, even blue ones has its "Orange County" or equivalent. But, Republicans there are kept on a short lease when they are allowed out of the closet, just as it should be.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   Maybe Mexico will be happy once California is theirs again. Then they'll be crossing the border into the nearby states, after it becomes just like what they were trying to escape. 
   Its in everyone's best interest to just let CA stay the way it is. A flourishing amazing state of the Union.
   I'll never leave. No matter how expensive it gets.
   Unless it is no longer part of the nation … Then I'll probably go to CO.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   True or False:
   1. California has autonomous economic power. 
   2. CA is an ideological state.
   3. CA is power-mongering.
   4. CA operates according to political idealism.
   5. CA operates outside of traditional U.S. interests. 
   6. CA's debt is the only thing preventing it from becoming its own country.
   7. OC votes influence the legislative future of CA.
   
   All you have declared is news to me.
   
   I actually think there is a balance of interests here. The majority are patriotic people who do not want to leave the nation. CA is probably quite dependent on the rest of the nation for its economic strength … (?)
   
   What would be the advantage of secession?

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      ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Apparently one of the largest , most general ideologically  populated  states in America is willing to allow it's urban ,rather eccentric ideology, "Brown" political mentality  speak for all ?
      

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         no, actually. It may seem that way but OC is mostly patriotic, conservative and anti brown. Just listen to John and Ken on KFI.
         http://www.johnandkenshow.com

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   Prop 68 - NO
   "Authorizes $4 billion in general obligation bonds for: parks, natural resources protection, climate adaptation, water quality and supply, and flood protection. Fiscal Impact: Increased state bond repayment costs averaging $200 million annually over 40 years. Local government savings for natural resources related projects, likely averaging several tens of millions of dollars annually over the next few decades.
   
   Wait… are we really looking to raise taxes for Parks… again? You mean like we’ve done in just about every other election year over the last five years?
   
   California has a lot of great natural resources, and a ton of money already to build them up. There is literally ZERO reason why we should borrow more money to improve parks when we already have plenty. The state’s debt load is already staggering and this only adds to the problem.
   
   Prop 69 - NO
   Requires that certain revenues generated by a 2017 transportation funding law be used only for transportation purposes and generally prohibits Legislature from diverting funds to other purposes. Fiscal Impact: No direct effect on the amount of state and local revenues or costs but could affect how some monies are spent.
   
   This is a straight out scam on you. This is the Josh Newman “Lockbox” for gas and car tax money that will hide away your money. But as a John and Ken listener, you know from our interviews with Jon Coupal that there’s no such thing as a ‘lockbox’ - they’re always filled with holes. Vote NO.
   
   Prop 70 - YES
   Beginning in 2024, requires that cap-and-trade revenues accumulate in a reserve fund until the Legislature, by a two-thirds majority, authorizes use of the revenues. Fiscal Impact: Beginning in 2024, potential temporary increase in state sales tax revenue, ranging from none to a few hundred million dollars annually, and possible changes in how revenue from sale of greenhouse gas emission permits is spent.
   
   The GOP Cap and Traitors say this is their ‘compromise’ for their gas price hike vote. This might be a scam - however, it’s too early to tell. We won’t know for years.
   
   Prop 71 - NO
   Provides that ballot measures approved by a majority of voters shall take effect five days after the Secretary of State certifies the results of the election. Fiscal Impact: Likely little or no effect on state and local finances.
   
   Politicians are trying to delay the effective date for ballot measures approved by the voters. This may be a sneaky way to get at the gas and car tax repeal.
   
   Prop 72 – YES
   Permits Legislature to allow construction of rain-capture systems, completed on or after January 1, 2019, without requiring property-tax reassessment. Fiscal Impact: Probably minor reduction in annual property tax revenues to local governments.
   
   No one seems to be against this. The real surprise is the fact you couldn’t collect rainwater without it affecting your property taxes in the first place.
   
   
   
   Democracy doesn’t mean one party-rule. Let’s try to make this more than just a two Democrat race. Vote John H. Cox for governor unless you want to see Newsom vs Villaraigosa on the ballot in November.
   
   For Attorney General
   Eric Early
   
   Good man, good policies. This L.A. lawyer will protect Californians from overreach by the politicians in Sacramento. Plus, he really hates the gas tax!
   
   For Insurance Commissioner
   Steve Poizner
   
   This businessman and tech entrepreneur has actually already served as Insurance Commissioner for California (under Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger). His opponent? Ricardo “Cow Fart” Lara.  If you don’t recall, Lara is the Assemblyman who decided it was a good idea to try and regulate greenhouse gas emissions tied to dairy cows and landfills.
   
   
   
   Recall State Senator Josh Newman
   State Senate District #29
   
   This is self-explanatory. Getting rid of Josh Newman will help tip the balance up in Sacramento and send a message to politicians that Californians won’t allow themselves to be unfairly taxed. Newman has proven he can’t be trusted in Sacramento!
   
   
   
   Vote against GOP Assemblyman Chad Mayes
   State Assembly District #42
   
   
   Vote FOR Bill Essayli in California's 60th Assembly District
   This is another chance for voters to make things right up in Sacramento. Help even out the legislature a bit by voting for Bill Essayli, a gas tax critic who was just endorsed by the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association."
   
   FROM John and Ken's Voter Guide to the 2018 Primary

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      JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      lol, and I thought wilderness, ahorseback and jackclee were comedians: I'm very impressed with your humor Kathryn:

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         whats so funny?

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   Johnny James Aposted 6 years ago

   One area does not control California.  It is funny that people keep thinking California is bends so far to the left that is touches the ground.  Yes, California has so called "liberal" initiatives, but that is only because is "conservative" business initiatives were affecting its "liberal" business initiatives and it needed to balance the two to become the economic power that it is. People harp on California's renewable energy stance as being anti-petroleum, and yet California has always been one of the leading producers of petroleum in the country, and while a moratorium on "additional" drilling was enacted back in 2012 for a time being, it is still the THIRD largest producer of oil in the U.S. behind Texas and North Dakota. Yes, California produces more than Alaska.  However, CA is the most populous state which led to massive smog issues in the 60s and 70s. So while they love the "Conservative" business idea of drilling, it was now eating into "tourism" and health (the domains of the liberals).  In turn, they continued drilling but have had higher standard for auto emissions and gas mileage. Turning to the world of entertainment, while percentage wise the actors are liberal; the executives tend to be conservative. Again two worlds colliding, which you can see in how Screen Actor Guild (union pay) - realm of the liberal comes in against corporate tax credits (realm of the conservative). California is actually an odd mix of conservative liberals. They are the most "active" (not just talkers) when it comes to flexing the 10th amendment for state rights to control things, but when they do (such as when they wish to exceed the floor set by the federal government on car regs), they get called out as Liberal hooligans. Which is funny, since the 10th amendment argument is usually the realm of a Conservative. This liberal state voted down same sex marriage (a realm normally associated with conservatives) and citizens had to bring a court case to look into the legality of Prop 8 to reverse it on Constitutional grounds. People need to stop labelling states so much.  Heck, Massachusetts "another so called liberal place) is the home of Smith and Wesson headquarter.  Truthfully, there are many conservative ideals everywhere and many liberal ones too.  However, when one set of ideals message with the "economy" of another, the states will do a cost benefit to determine which way it leans. In the end it is all business.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Thank You!

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