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   lovetherainposted 4 years ago

   What do you think about him? I think there is something somewhat off about him, but I really can't pinpoint it. Maybe it's the way he always tries to weasil his way out of direct questions about his beliefs in God etc.

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      Wesman Todd Shawposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Why would anyone answer some random person's questions about a belief in God?
      
      If you asked me if I believe in a monotheistic God, it's generally an indication that someone wants to either allow you onto their 'team,' or belittle you for not believing in the great big spontaneous and meaningless accident encompassing all things. Those are the two most common reasons someone asks that. The person asking wants to assign you to your proper position.
      
      It's seriously annoying. For an intellectual like Peterson, answering such a question would likely involve at least a day's worth of preamble. It's something a person like that should not answer to an individual, but instead publish as a top ten selling book.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I think lovetherain has a point. He comes across like a common preacher, yet the does not believe in God.

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   Live to Learnposted 4 years ago

   I happen to love the guy. I don't see him as weaseling out of anything. Just attempting to explain his views. I find him well spoken. Expressing simple truths exceedingly well.

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      lovetherainposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      He won't answer a yes or no question. That is weaseling in my opinion.

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         Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, or no, is not an appropriate response in religious discussions. Primarily because you have to remember that the premise you begin with is not necessarily the same I do. Yes to you might be 90% no to me. So if I say yes, by my understanding of an issue it might,in actuality, mean no in yours.
         
         Plus, the environment may constitute the need to fully explain a stand. I've seen too many times someone attempting to make a negative point by hoping for a simplistic response; in order to pretend what was said is something different than intended.
         
         Nothing weaselly about the man. Just someone who wants his opinion understood and not misconstrued.
         
         Plus, oftentimes he is speaking to someone predisposed to argue every point. If the question posed is off topic of the reason for the discussion I can certainly see the value in sidestepping the question.

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            GA Andersonposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Hi Live to learn, I am also a Peterson fan. And it was the very fact that he would never accept a question until he had rephrased or redefined it, to match what he had actually said, rather than what the question implied he said, that I most admired.
            
            I have never seen a time when he allowed an interviewer's question or statement put words or inferences into his mouth.
            
            I really enjoy the way the guy speaks.
            
            

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               Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I enjoy him immensely but I limit the amount of times I click on a lecture or interview on you tube. He speaks my mind, much more eloquently than I could, but he is just validating my opinions. I try to find things that challenge them.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I agree there is something a bit off about him. He almost rambles. His points are scattered and his conclusions come out of nowhere. He does not seem logical. He seems as though he used to be involved in alcohol. In fact he was. He has a strange accent. He's from Canada. His logic is subjective and apparently backed up only by his personal experience. He does reveal common sense. And he does provide a basis for establishing boundaries in life. He does explain why some things are the way they are as far as how they really are. He seems to see how things really are. Is he philosophic? Yes. Is he scientifically based? I doubt it.

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   ahorsebackposted 4 years ago

   I don't think that many here , especially of the liberal persuasion can understand intellectualism from their perspective of what's normally referred to as "common sense",     Yes , their is a completeness to those of intellectualism when common sense is injected . 
   
   The inclusion of Common Sense causes one to operate  on a higher plane than intellectualism alone . it's as if many intellectuals never finished the crash course prior to  exam day and can't figure out what the hell happened .
   
   In that sense , its pretty amusing !

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I agree that intellectual thought becomes more complete when common sense is injected.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   He needs to back up his points with science. He needs to refer to case studies and research. He needs to provide sources. But then, he is not a teacher.

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      Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      LOL. He is a professor who consistently points out the research that backs his opinion. Are you certain you know who the OP is about?

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         My son has me listening to him. I've been very skeptical. I do not like the way he arrogantly comes up with his points of view. I NEVER hear him back up his conclusions with references to case studies, etc. He mostly rambles authoritatively. I cannot tell he is a "professor."

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Unless that's the way professors are these days, which is probably the case.

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            Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Arrogantly? The man is a clinical psychologist with two BA's and a PHD. He teaches at the University of Toronto.
            
            I think he is qualified to have an opinion. Without being labeled arrogant. Which is a strange accusation coming from you.

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I can be as arrogant as I want. I always indicate, "The Way I See It." He does not. He basically Preaches. Is that suddenly allright just because of his so called credentials?

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   "Politically, Peterson has described himself as a classic British liberal, and has stated that he is commonly mistaken to be right wing. He is a philosophical pragmatist. In a 2017 interview, Peterson identified as a Christian, but in 2018 he did not. He emphasized his conceptualization of Christianity is probably not what it is generally understood, stating that the ethical responsibility of a Christian is to imitate Christ, for him meaning "something like you need to take responsibility for the evil in the world as if you were responsible for it ... to understand that you determine the direction of the world, whether it's toward heaven or hell".
   
   When asked if he believes in God, Peterson responded: "I think the proper response to that is No, but I'm afraid He might exist".
   
   Writing for The Spectator, Tim Lott said Peterson draws inspiration from Jung's philosophy of religion, and holds views similar to the Christian existentialism of Søren Kierkegaard and Paul Tillich.
   
   Starting around 2000, Peterson began collecting Soviet-era paintings. The walls of his house are covered with this art, which he keeps as a reminder of the relationship between totalitarian propaganda and art and as an example of how idealistic visions can become totalitarian oppression and horror.
   
   "Since late 2016, Peterson has been on a strict diet consisting only of meat and some vegetables, to control severe depression and an auto-immune disorder, including psoriasis and uveitis." Wikipedia

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I believe in God. Without that reality as your basis, you are ONLY GUESSING.
      And the field (his field) of Human Psychology is largely, just that:
      theory and surmises.
      T W I S I

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   He could be the antichrist. A wolf in sheep's clothing.
   I do wish my son would stop listening to him and read some good books.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   "... something like, you need to take responsibility for the evil in the world as if you were responsible for it ... to understand that you determine the direction of the world, whether it's toward heaven or hell." Peterson
   
   Like horseback said in another thread, "Individually." Jordan Peterson is about the world, not the individual.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      "... something like: you need to take responsibility for the evil in the
      
                                           W O R L D
      
      as if you were responsible for it ... to understand that YOU determine the direction of the world, whether it's toward heaven or hell." Peterson
      
      
      
      No one is responsible for the world, only to ourselves and our own spiritual evolution.
      
      TWISI
      
      

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         Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Every action you take ripples through the world. Far outside of your view. We do all bear responsibility to others. You may contribute .0001% to a particular outcome but that tiny part could prove the tipping point. For good or bad.

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            So what?

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               I should act from the standpoint of that which is for the sake of something else only?

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                  Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  What a fascinating spiritual journey you have there.

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               Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               So, you do have a responsibility to the world. His view shows compassion and consideration. Yours shows selfishness.

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      Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      No. He has said that each individual is the center of the universe. So, yes it's about the individual connection within the world.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         He does not care about the individual.

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Does he love himself?

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   ahorsebackposted 4 years ago

   So at least this guy is a breath of fresh air as compared to the ninety five percent or so of Ameri-liberal professors [ which he also notes ],   He shoots pretty straight  and his not answering some of the questions asked tells me he won't be pigeonholed ! 
   
   Kathryn , that shows a decent amount of independence .
   Not a bad thing .

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Its world-transformation vs self-transformation.
      
      We must not be led astray by the idealism of
      
                    World Transformation.
      
      T W I S I

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   "Starting around 2000, Peterson began collecting Soviet-era paintings. The walls of his house are covered with this art, which he keeps as a reminder of the relationship between totalitarian propaganda and art and as an example of how idealistic visions can become totalitarian oppression and horror." Wikipedia
   
   Why? He enjoys it?

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      Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      There again but by the diligence of man, kind of thing; I suppose.
      
      If you don't like his lectures, don't watch them.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         I am sent his links and I checked him out. As I said, my son loves him.
         I don't.
         So yeah, I've stopped listening.

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            ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Kathryn , You're supposed to be of the open minded generation ,  yet you don't like someone who's "different ",....:-]   You don't have to love the guy or anything  just except that he's got his rights too , I guess .

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               ... just accept that he could lead a whole generation astray with his self- righteous arrogant advice?

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  and take away their independence of thought ...
                  and going home to God, where all truth lies?

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                     Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Do liberals love him?
                     How could they?
                     Is he giving a bad name to common sense?
                     Think about it!

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                        Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        ... they shut down Montessori, Sequin and Itard yet let this deranged guy ramble on and on!
                        
                        (If Peterson studied them, then he should say so and make some references.)

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                        Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Liberals hate him. I get the impression his lectures whizz right over your head.

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                     Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Sounds like your idea of independence of thought depends on agreeing with you.

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                        Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        well, at least considering my view point ... which few do.  Well, no!
                        Does anyone?
                        No.

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                           Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           ... to be perfectly honest, My own son said, "Why should we listen to you? You are not a Montessori Teacher."
                           My son in law, said, "We don't listen to so-called Authorities."
                           My dad said I was "thick"(!) when giving him an explanation regarding my blue-print for a school called New Direction Education.
                           Humph.
                           I need a Montessori Certificate and Doctorate in Education, I suppose.

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                              Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              If you want to set the direction and curriculum to teach children you should have a degree in education.

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                                 Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 Of course.  I guess I have an abundance of ego. Your frank responses are helpful. Thank you.
                                 
                                 I have a BA in Art Education and I always planned to get teaching credentials. I wanted to teach Art, but then things changed. I would like to establish my own school based on my understanding of Montessori methods.
                                 
                                 But you are so right. I would need a Masters and credentials and a team of people with the same. However, I meet many people without advanced degrees who would be great teachers just because they have interest, enthusiasm and love of children.
                                 I would hire them!
                                 I would probably even hire Jordan Peterson if he would listen to me from time to time!

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                                    Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                    I agree that it doesn't take a degree to be a wonderful teacher. And a degree doesn't guarantee someone will be a good teacher.
                                    
                                    But, to chart the course of a group of children over years of learning is not the same as creating a great classroom experience.
                                    
                                    I've met several people working in private school environments with the joy of teaching coursing through their veins with little knowledge of the subject matter and no education. What I see is a bubbly baby sitter who appeared to be wasting parent's money.
                                    
                                    You appear to be very motivated on the Montessori ideas and you may be well versed in the method. That's great. And, maybe you'd have no problem running a Montessori school.

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                                       Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                       I am too ambitious for my actual abilities. And now, age. I should be happy just helping my grandchild/s and being an artist. Thank you for your encouragement. I would be good in a Montessori classroom, and running my own school. However the current trend of thought is not conducive to her methods and understandings. Montessori was ahead of her time. She focused on the the inner life of the child. She did not want her didactic teaching materials in the hands of regular teachers. Regular teachers teach from the outside in, not the inside out.
                                       
                                         But I am grateful for your encouragement. Thank you.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    His very lectures are oppressive.

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       ... for instance, he tells parents, "don't allow your children to develop habits which are irritating to you, the adult, or society in general, or your child will be hated."  His admonitions are outcome-based and have nothing to do with the true development of the psyche / joy of life of the child.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    "Since late 2016, Peterson has been on a strict diet consisting only of meat and some vegetables, to control severe depression and an auto-immune disorder, including psoriasis and uveitis." Wikipedia
    
    I myself think he is a nervous wreck.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    I hope his children are happy and well-adjusted. If they are, then all is well.

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       ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Our friend Kathryn's the child psych expert so we have to rely on you .

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          Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          I'll wait to check out her credentials.

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             Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

             That's what everyone says. I don't have any. I have real life experience.
             .... counts for nothing around here, there and everywhere ....
             humph.

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                Live to Learnposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                We all have real life experience. Yours does not trump any one else's or make you an expert.

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                   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                   humph.

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    ahorsebackposted 4 years ago

    If there's one situation  we don't want to have in America , It's a conservative with a microphone ,  God forgive we have someone giving opines with a real fix on common sense , intellectual thought and a handicap of no political correctness.
    
    How  dare he ?

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       - why does he call himself a classic British liberal?

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          Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          Theres a lot of discussion about this on line.
          
          Here is his own explanation.
          
          He makes clear here that he IS for the individual.
          well, Good.
          
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhEG69ZGwUI

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             ahorsebackposted 4 years agoin reply to this

             Kind of funny Kathryn , The more I listen to his videos  he seems rather sensitive to being called "far right " , describing himself as ?  British lib or something ?   To me whatever he sounds like  he seems to take it all rather personally and being of the intellectual mind , he   really sounds more centrist  American to me .  Yet with a flair for  self accountability .

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                Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, he is exceedingly self-important. He is sanpaku as far as his physical appearance. He is not God! I think I'm jealous that he is taken seriously when I am not. If I got on You tube and started spouting on and on I would be laughed to the moon.
                
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku

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    ahorsebackposted 4 years ago

    Kathryn , You mentioned  ,"........I hope his children are happy and well adjust ......."  Well adjusted ;   Which is the ultimate key isn't it ,
    I have met so many who apparently are not well adjusted ,  from humble beginnings I must say That is the most important of all  conditions,  I just listened to a song by Tim Mcgraw , 'Always stay humble and kind ' ................
    
    'We have a problem Houston' ,  I fear America's youth are , for whatever reason ,  becoming less and less well adjusted .

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       lovetherainposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       I don't think america's youth are any less adjusted than youth of  any have have been.
       
       It's normal for kids to be that way

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       I met a girl where I swim. She told me just graduated high school in our town and is now going to the local Jr. College. She plans to pursue Art therapy. I wanted to tell her don't bother, but I did not. She was a protected girl as all the kids in our town truly are. We are surrounded by mountains and though we live so close to Hollywood and LA, the youth grow up thinking the world is a wonderful safe place where anything is possible, there is no poverty or want and peace reigns everywhere. That's what I believed and still believe because I grew up here too ...
       Its ridiculous, I know.
       
       But I digressed. I wanted to tell you something profound which she told me. She said she is probably the last of those raised without technology!!!!!!!!!!!!
       
       Meaning the last of those who were not exposed to technological devices as young children, 0-6. As you know, I do not think it wise to give children iPads or smart phones until much later, say 14 or 15. But lately, it seems to me they can't handle the internet on a social basis. It seems almost dangerous with the amount of cyber bullying etc. going on. Maybe they could have access at 18. Illegal til then? No. Just frowned on by parents.

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    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

    Kids today are like Martians.
    Just kidding.  But they are different than they were!

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       If Jordan Peterson can bring back common sense, its a good thing.

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          rosefontposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          :--)

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