Is Transsexual Activism Toxic Masculinity?

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  1. Live to Learn profile image80
    Live to Learnposted 12 months ago

    Martina Navratilova is being censured for her concern for equality in women sports. A lesbian activist has been sidelined for her concerns for women's safety. I think mine is a fair question.

    Those who identify as women, yet were not born into the sex, are increasingly gaining power and side lining any who disagree with their views.

    Women face a future where sports could be dominated by transgenders, unless they are allowed to poison their bodies by taking large amounts of testosterone in an attempt to compete. Young girls may stop competing altogether, if their teams are unfairly allowing these individuals to dominate their leagues.

    Women face a future of undressing with persons who possess body parts they have historically not been exposed to in such situations.

    Women face a future where those who did not grow up with uniquely female issues will hold sway over women's issues and women's activism.

    Something seems incredibly and bizarrely patriarchal in this scenario.

    How do women maintain control of women's rights?

    1. lobobrandon profile image88
      lobobrandonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Transwomen are women though. Also, there's no reason there can't be a transwomen team and a transmen team. You could also ask the same question saying, transmen may not be able to compete with men born in that gender, so they are at a loss, what are we going to do about them?

      They are humans too, if you want to fight for rights, you gotta fight for everyone.

      Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrYx7HaUlMY

      Also, toxic masculinity usually covers these topics:

      Mansplaining
      Sexual harassment and molestation
      Refusing to treat women the same as men, etc.

      Transwomen would usually fight against these things because they would face them too, so transwomen cannot be in this category. You could come up with a new term if you want to or get some really good PR to change the existing term to include this.

      1. Live to Learn profile image80
        Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        You're right. They should have their own sports teams and facilities and organizations for advancement of their causes. I have no problem with that.

  2. wilderness profile image96
    wildernessposted 12 months ago

    As long as we pretend that mental gender perception equates with sex this kind of problem will continue to grow.  I'm sure we will find other things beyond sports competitions.

    At some point we're going to have to accept that even surgery cannot change a male into a female or vice versa.  It may or may not give the appearance of having changed, but it has not actually changed the sex of the person involved.

    1. lobobrandon profile image88
      lobobrandonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Agreed.

    2. Live to Learn profile image80
      Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I agree. A person can take estrogen but it does not negate the testosterone they produce. That I am aware of. Hopefully, if I'm wrong a qualified doctor will chime in and educate me. I'm not interested in listening to opinions striving for political correctness at the expense of science.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I'm not interested in PC either.

        So you take estrogen.  So you inhibit most testosterone production.  Does it change your body size?  Does it change the width of the pelvis?  Does it change the size of bones?  The size of the rib cage? 

        You cannot change a male to a female without changing the genes in every cell.

        1. profile image74
          Hxprofposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          And this isn't PC to discuss.....how insensitive of you to bring this up.

          1. lobobrandon profile image88
            lobobrandonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            I'm sure it's pretty PC to discuss. Discussions are never a problem, it's people imposing their views based on some beliefs that affect the lives of someone else. That's the insensitive thing. People are usually open to discussions.

            1. profile image74
              Hxprofposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              I'm wondering though if transgender folks would be upset by this:" You cannot change a male to a female without changing the genes in every cell."

              Does that seem to be inserting an opinion in a discussion about transexual activism? And if a particular opinion is being enforced into law, does that make it an imposition?

              I'm choosing an relatively innocuous "belief" here to illustrate: If the law sets a speed limit of 35 mph for a particular street, but numerous residents along that street "feel" that 35 is too fast, and request 25, are they trying to impose their beliefs in a way that affects the lives of others.  Lets assume there have been no speed related accidents or near hits.

              1. lobobrandon profile image88
                lobobrandonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                No, that's not what the law was and is in most countries. The law basically said: If you live in a house with a garden that has red roses you are allowed to drive, but if you live in any other house you aren't. Also, red roses choose where they want to grow, they cannot be planted and you cannot move house your entire life. But you have to drive 30 miles to get groceries, else you're going to starve due to the limited amount you can carry in your hands.

                You did not allow LGBT people to marry even when it causes you no harm and you were marrying yourself, that's hypocrisy just like in my illogical example above. If you find that example crazy, that's just how it really was and is in many parts of the world for the LGBT people.

              2. Live to Learn profile image80
                Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                That isn't any more opinion than claiming a guy is a girl cause he says so is.

                1. lobobrandon profile image88
                  lobobrandonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Nah, that's not opinion, there's scientific reason, you can begin here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image80
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    Good grief! This is a brave topic to bring up in today's political (warm to hot) climate.

    Political Warming!

    Whatever contributes to Political Warming is creating CONFLICT! yikes !

    "A rapidly growing body of research examines whether human conflict can be affected by climatic changes. Drawing from archaeology, criminology, economics, geography, history, political science, and psychology, we assemble and analyze the 60 most rigorous quantitative studies and document, for the first time, a remarkable convergence of results. We find strong causal evidence linking climatic events to human conflict across a range of spatial and temporal scales and across all major regions of the world. The magnitude of climate's influence is substantial: for each 1 standard deviation (1σ) change in climate toward warmer temperatures or more extreme rainfall, median estimates indicate that the frequency of interpersonal violence rises 4% and the frequency of intergroup conflict rises 14%. Because locations throughout the inhabited world are expected to warm 2 to 4σ by 2050, amplified rates of human conflict could represent a large and critical impact of anthropogenic climate change."


    Obviously, we have Political Warming! And its most likely caused by Global Warming!
    yikes! yikes!

    Oh and yes, the obvious solution is to ban transsexuals from women's events.
    They are no longer male or female. They are neutrals. Not he or not she. Its.
    (Global Warming made me say that.)

    1. lobobrandon profile image88
      lobobrandonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Then instead of banning transsexuals, let's ban global warming and all our problems are solved. You can start this by not voting for Trump next term as you said you're going to tongue

    2. Live to Learn profile image80
      Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      On the up side of AOC is right the world will end in 12 years. So, there's that to look forward to.

      1. lobobrandon profile image88
        lobobrandonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        She never said that. That's how you interpret it. She meant the world as we know it.

        1. Live to Learn profile image80
          Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          I watched the video. Don't make claims you can't back up with fact. She may not have meant what was said but she certainly said it. Not sure why that isn't showing as a link, but you can search that wording to find the video.

          cortez_the_world_is_going_to_end_in_12_years_if_we_dont_address_climate_change.html

          1. lobobrandon profile image88
            lobobrandonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            I can back it up, can you? Listen to the message not the sentence. She has said in accordance with the UN climate report. Do you know what the report says? That's what she meant because that is what she was referring to.

            1. Live to Learn profile image80
              Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              What she meant and what she said may be different but your comment does not, in any way, match what was said in that interview. You can't blow smoke when the fire was on tape. It casts doubt on the veracity of your comment.

              1. lobobrandon profile image88
                lobobrandonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                She did say in accordance with the UN climate report. Unless the quotes were wrong by the news outlet. I think it was NYtimes that I read a transcript on.

                1. Live to Learn profile image80
                  Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  So you didn't watch the video. Gotcha.

                  Either way, this thread is on transsexual activism. If her comments don't address the OP I'll leave you to whatever.

                  1. lobobrandon profile image88
                    lobobrandonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Did I ever say I watched the video? A transcript is the same as a video. It's supposed to be. As old as you think you are, I thought you'd know that because newspapers are read even by the right.

                    I'll let you continue reading the wikipedia article on transgenders. If you prefer videos as it's difficult to read, you can also find videos on Youtube.

        2. GA Anderson profile image92
          GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          "Millennials and Gen Z and all these folks that come after us are looking up, and we're like, 'The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change, and your biggest issue is how are we gonna pay for it?' " she said.

          Brandon, I might agree with you that in an expanded conversation what you said may have been what she meant, but without that extended conversation, you cannot support what you think she "meant" to say.

          It does appear she made that statement in the context of a larger point, but she did say it, and she did not condition it with any context. So yes, she did say that, and your interpretation of what she meant by it is just that--an interpretation.

          ps. I found this lonnggg video that I think presents a pretty accurate picture of her thinking. It is worth the watch just to be able to understand her through your own filter, not the media's, or any Right or Left wing "interpretation.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3-QvoI … e=youtu.be

          I was impressed. She seems very sincere. But she also seems very naive, (in a "how the world really works" way), and very much a proponent of socialism values. (note: I do intend a distinction, I did not say socialist values).

          GA

  4. Live to Learn profile image80
    Live to Learnposted 12 months ago

    https://pluralist.com/transgender-sprin … rls-state/

    Another example of the unfair and sexist attitude which squashes the dreams of young women in the quest for acquiescing to the desires of an incredibly tiny minority.

    Women are increasingly losing their quest for fairness and equality..

 
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