Schwarzenegger to eliminate many health, social programs for the poor.

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   rhamsonposted 14 years ago

   The budget deficits in California is forcing the elimination of many programs as a possible answer. Without any other forms of raising revenue are the additional taxes going to start just as the economy is waking up?
   
   http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c … 027D28.DTL

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      RKHenryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You'd think being the conservative man he is, would eliminate the unbearable confinements of small business taxes that CA has on it businesses, and create a governmental body of less government, imposing their will on all businesses period in CA.  It is cheaper to film a picture in any other state of the union, than in CA.  Hollywood, Hollywood is for show, and to rake in millions of tourist dollars.  Nothing is film there anymore.  The taxes are so high, that it is cheaper to travel all the way to New Zealand, shoot the film there, and travel back home to America. 
      
      You'd think, that Arnie boy, being the conservative he claims to be, would do something about those taxes.  But no- instead he decides to rob from the poor.  I wonder where he got that idea, Robin Hood perhaps and the story of King John?  Ironic.

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         RKHenryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That this- pay for the social programs with pot taxes.  It is time for this country to get realistic.  It is time for us to stop making things illegal.  It costs the American taxpayers trillions of dollars, basically, on wasted lawyer fees, jail cells, court costs, legislative fees, and so on.
         
         It is time to legalize pot- and tax the shit out of it.

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

   Legalize and tax marijuana.  Problem solved.  Anything else? I'm kind of busy today.

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      rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Is there enough revenue to support this claim.  What kind of figures are we talking about?

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         Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         One of the most brilliant individuals I have ever met wrote a hub on this very topic

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            rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            But with a proposed $50 tax on an ounce of pot is it feasible to expect people to not just grow it for themselves and eliminate the additional expense?
            
            http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- … 03544.html
            
            http://www.canorml.org/background/CA_legalization2.html

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               Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Do people grow their own tobacco?  Brew their own beer?  Yes to both in very limited quantities.  If you think homegrown weed will be done on a grand scale, you seriously over estimate the work ethic of the majority of stoners.
               
               I need a nap now.

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                  leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Except pot is alot easier to grow, it is just a weed after all.

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                     Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Easier than brewing beer?  The actual labor for brewing a 5 gallon batch takes roughly 2 minutes.  The mixture does the rest.
                     
                     Growing good pot is considerably more difficult.

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                        leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I've grown it. All I did was put some seeds in the ground. I had six foot tall plants in a couple of months with nothing by rain water and no fertilizer. It doesn't get easier than that. If it was legal I'd fill my back yard with it and sell it myself.

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                           Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           That's very interesting.  In fact I'd like to come over and discuss this with you personally.  Where do you live?

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                              leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Like I said it's a weed it doesn't require much to grow it. Now if you want to make it potent you might need to pay more attention to it.

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                                 rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Depends greatly on the seeds too.

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                                    leebertteaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    The seeds are readily available and there's plenty of literature on how to grow the plants.
                                    
                                    http://hightimes.com/
                                    
                                    There are even books on how to produce hash and hash oil from pot which isn't any more difficult than building a still. Of course there is the risk of explosion if you do something wrong but you can't beat the high!

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                                       rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       Lived in Hawaii for a long time.  The seeds are the key as many growers over there will tell you.  I do not partake of the herb any more but I do know from a mispent youth the ups and downs of the habit.

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                              Shadesbreathposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              lol

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                  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I think you underestimate the cost factor when such serious taxing makes it so expensive.  With more people growing their own pot on a far grander scale than homebrew or grow tobacco, the competition will be the consumer and not the scale it is produced by commercial enterprise.
                  
                  Maybe if you think you are the official word on the subject I think your haste to dismiss the problem with one solution to the budget crisis with local governments is far more complex than you offer.

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   Long overdue

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   leebertteaposted 14 years ago

   He's not the only one. Check out what Greece is required to do to get aid!
   
   http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysi … 21&p=2

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   Shadesbreathposted 14 years ago

   There's no way they will be dumb enough to raise taxes. The pot thing would probably help, but I don't know if it would be enough, or be fast enough.  It does seem long over due.

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   TMMasonposted 14 years ago

   Yeah!!!
   
   ALL HAIL THE SOCAILIST PARADISE CALIFORNIA!!!!
   
   It'll be great when we're all bankrupt.
   
   START THE AUCTION>... can I get a bid on Los Angeles.... Do I hear 5 dollars!!!... cmcmcmcmcmc lemme hear a 5

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   waynetposted 14 years ago

   Arnie was the Terminator, so he can do whatever he wants!

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   TMMasonposted 14 years ago

   You gotta do, what your gotta do.
   
   It is that simple.
   
   Of course don't throw out the ones, illegals, that don't belong. They only eat up most of your debt.
   
   We, America, are not going to support states that have sanctuary cities anymore. You want to promote unlawful activity... you pay the price.
   
   When your broke... too bad. Cut your shit.

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   MikeNVposted 14 years ago

   Somebody has to pay for the programs or they have to go.
   
   Who and what should be cut.
   
   The Federal Government loaned the State of California $8 Billion.  How are they going to repay it?  They aren't.
   
   So the real issue is what should or shouldn't be cut, and can programs which have no funding be maintained?
   
   He has to cut something.
   
   Instead of social programs maybe he should consider cutting road construction, schools, water treatment?
   
   Something has to go.  Or of course they can just tax everyone more.

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