Help save the NHS

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   seanorjohnposted 13 years ago

   If you are a UK citizen  respond to 38 degrees campaign.Do not let our health service be privatised. The private companies cherry pick the easiest and simplest cases. They do not help train future doctors and surgeons etc. Even mad dog Thatcherite Norman Tebbit is worried about the privatization of health in the UK.

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   ryankettposted 13 years ago

   I would help, but I am too busy plotting my escape from the country.

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      Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      

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         seanorjohnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Cags, it's not that funny. Especially if you understand the issues.

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            ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Well you either laugh or cry, I can't laugh until I escape, so at least that gets straight to the bottom of my motives.

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               seanorjohnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I understand what you are saying Ryan. You are right. But those of us left behind will be crying into our old age. Can't believe these Condems have been voted in.

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                  ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I couldn't be any more disillusioned with the entire British political arena, and that means all parties, I can't identify a single group of people or a single person capable of running our country. They are all a bunch of unqualified (or qualified by birth right) neanderthals with very little genuine depth of knowledge who make a living twisting statistics. All of them, Conservative, Liberal Democrats, Labour. If they don't have ulterior motives they have incompetence.
                  
                  I am being asked to vote on the Alternative Vote. Despite the polling station being 50 yards from my home I will not be voting. I will be labelled no doubt by the media as 'apathetic' or 'lazy'. In truth I have absolute no interest whatsoever in changing the way that the country decides whether to have evil elitists or incompetent socialists running our affairs.
                  
                  I voted for the Liberal Democrats, by the way, in 2010. That shall be the last time that I vote in the United Kingdom. On anything.

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                     Sufidreamerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     You should take the trip down to the voting booth.
                     
                     On your ballot paper, write 'Complete Bollocks' or draw a huge cock across it.
                     
                     It is much more satisfying - I did that the last time I voted in the UK. They count it as a spoiled ballot, and nobody can accuse you of being apathetic

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                        seanorjohnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I agree. There should be tick box for none of them. Western democracies start to worry when less people vote. But your idea is great.

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                        superwagsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Haha! Spot on mate. It might get Nick Griffin elected if everyone did that though - that's who I'd assume you meant.

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                           Sufidreamerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           True - that is the downside, although I long ago decided to vote for the candidate I believed would do the best job, rather than keep someone else out. I lived in Tory heartland, so my vote was always going to be wasted. Mind you, my MP was David Cameron, so you can imagine where the aforementioned cock was drawn
                           
                           Seanorjohn - Great idea, but that is too much like common sense!

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            Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            The issues? Politics and Religion, Wealth vs Poor?
            
            Oh yeah, I've heard it before.

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               seanorjohnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               You have heard many things before. But have you ever really listened?

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                  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I listen, always. And, when truth shows it's face, I am able to recognize it. I cannot say that for many people, simply because they are too busy thinking about themselves.
                  
                  It doesn't take a genius to see the pathetic nature that arises from humanity as a whole. The wealthy continue to strong-arm the world, while people live in streets or starve because they have no food.
                  
                  The path to peace I can see, can you?

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                     seanorjohnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Sensible reply. So I will give you the benefit of doubt.
                     
                     Some of your postings led me to think otherwise.
                     
                     You mostly come across as a P....... K..... it ....a.

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                        Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Bluntness and straight forward is how I bring what I have to the table. Most people don't like it and that would mean they don't understand me or have not taken the time to get to know me.
                        
                        Judgment is formed, because I disagree with many people on many levels. And, I noticed you didn't answer my question.
                        
                        Can you see a path to peace? The basis/foundation for peace to occur?
                        
                        If you can, please do let me know what you think is the starting step. This way I know, if you and I are on the same page.

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                           seanorjohnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           I am assuming I did not answer the q about peace.
                           So here goes.
                           
                           The USA stops supplying weopanry and intelligence to rogue states.
                           
                           USA stops fighting over oil and pretending it is doing good things.

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                              superwagsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Yeah I think Libya and co. would have really struggled to get those weapons from elsewhere.

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                              Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Well, I can see we are not on the same page. But, I do appreciate your input on my different topic. So, back to yours, which I will bow out of since I am an American and not part of the UK.
                              
                              Good luck going forward.

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                                 seanorjohnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Thanks Cagsil. You are right it is a UK thing.

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                              ryankettposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              There are a lot of things that America could be criticised for, but not that the British could necessarily criticise themselves.
                              
                              Supplying weapons to rogue states is one of them, for the British also supply rogue states with weapons. Gaddafi included.
                              
                              In fact we supplied Saddam Hussien with chemical weapons, which he used on his own people.
                              
                              Unfortunately our government is equally as guilty when it comes to arming people.

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      seanorjohnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Quite understandable Ryan. Many may follow you.

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   Aiden Robertsposted 13 years ago

   I have had a quick scan of 38 Degrees and whilst I support the causes I will need too investigate the organisation itself. I am reasonably active already in the campaign arena with a long standing no tolerance approach to social injustice.
   
   In principle I support you and will endeavour to be more useful without compromising existing committments.
   
   Good Luck.

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      seanorjohnposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Aiden. You are great. Social injustice is a cause worth fighting for.

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   superwagsposted 13 years ago

   Nothing's going to stop the NHS being privatised now. Labour were going to do it when they were in, the tories will definately do it now that there's zero opposition.
   
   British politics is more depressing than sitting at my computer on a friday night writing on a forum post because it's slightly more fun than a thesis.
   
   The NHS is the third biggest employer in the world incidentally, after the Chinese army and the Indian railroads. I got a train in India last year, they need more people.

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