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Bachmann was right on slavery and the Founders, Lincoln.

  1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
    uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years ago

    He may not have said it just yesterday but Abraham Lincoln, remember him, the Great Emmancipator, made the same case as Michelle Bachmann, remember her, mocked and maligned by the liberal press and their parrots, the Founding Fathers worked to end slavery.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/geo … ?nopager=1

    1. TMMason profile image69
      TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yes they did.

      Thus the 2/3rds clause, which many misconstrue to mean a person, it is speaking of whole populations and was inserted to keep the Southern Democrats, the Dixie-crats, from gaining extreme majorities in the Govt through the use of Slave populations to boost their number of seats in Congress.

    2. Evan G Rogers profile image76
      Evan G Rogersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Lincoln never freed a single slave.

      He also openly admitted to preferring to send every black person to  an inhospitable desert instead of letting them live in the US as freed individuals.

      1. uncorrectedvision profile image60
        uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        So the consequence of the events set in place by Lincoln did not result in emancipation?  Slavery in the United States was not ended by the Civil War?  Lincoln suggested that slaves be repatriated to Africa not some inhospitable desert.  Have you ever seen the slave coast of Africa?

        It was not an unreasonable question to ask about the end of slavery and the fate of former slaves.  Jefferson wondered if one people held as chattel by another could ever find piece with the former masters.  Given the tumultuous history of black/white relations it doesn't sound like a foolish question.

        How did the Emancipation Proclamation not free those slaves held in the outlaw Confederacy?  It may not have resulted in their immediate freedom but did establish further the calumny of the outlaw government in denying freedom who had been declared free by the legitimate government.

        If one is to be technical the first president to free slaves was George Washington.

  2. AnnCee profile image72
    AnnCeeposted 6 years ago

    Wow fascinating article, UV.

  3. Paul Wingert profile image77
    Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago

    Our founding fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery?! Really? If that was the case, they would of outlawed slavery right then and there. The cotton industry was a laborous intensive business when our founding fathers drafted the Constitution and Declaration of Independnece. But what happened on March 14, 1794? Oh yeah the cotton gin was invented and cotton production expanded from 750,000 bales in 1830 to 2.85 million bales in 1850. As a result, the South became even more dependent on plantations and slavery, making plantation agriculture the largest sector of the Southern economy. No end in sight for slavery until the Civil War when freeing the slaves would damage the south's production (a war tactic to stress an ememy's economy) rather than to simply free them to applease the abolitionists.

    1. TMMason profile image69
      TMMasonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If they had tried that, outlawing slavery right from the go, then the US Consitution would not have passed. Simple. The document would never have been accepted and the way would not have been opened.

      So to damn them because they had to do it in an incremental way, is absurd. They set up the mechanisms within the document and it worked.

    2. uncorrectedvision profile image60
      uncorrectedvisionposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Can you read?  Do you comprehend why?  Do you not understand?  So clouded by your contemporary conceit are you that you cannot understand what Lincoln was saying or what was at stake at the time of the Revolution.

      You are an excellent example of why talking to liberals about anything is worthless.

  4. I am DB Cooper profile image64
    I am DB Cooperposted 6 years ago

    So the founding fathers "worked tirelessly to end slavery" because Abraham Lincoln once gave a speech that said most of them were against slavery? That's enough evidence for me, Michelle Bachmann is clearly a historical scholar.

  5. mikelong profile image69
    mikelongposted 6 years ago

    There were founding fathers who worked tirelessly to end slavery...even though they knew that it would take many many years and great struggle to accomplish...

    Governeur Morris is just one example that comes to mind right now...

    As for Lincoln, if one reads his presidential campaign speeches, one will find that there are many different perspectives shared by this man...

    If he was speaking to abolishonists or "liberals" he would speak about the rights of man and the horrible conditions of bondage...

    But, if he spoke to a conservative crowd he would talk about how Africans had no place in white American society...he is on the record saying that if they are freed they have to live somewhere else (deportation to Africa)... 

    Who was the real Lincoln?  We will never know...

    Like all politicians, he twisted his rhetoric to fit the audience he sought to woo...

    If he had lived to enact his views of Reconstruction we would know much more......but he never made it..

    "I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. And I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. … And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

    – Abraham Lincoln in his fourth debate with Stephen Douglas in the campaign for the United States Senate on September 18th of 1858.

    “I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes.”

    – Abraham Lincoln in the fourth debate with Stephen Douglas.

 
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