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Just Pray Away the Gay

Updated on February 27, 2014
Just Pray the Gay Away
Just Pray the Gay Away

Love They Neighbor - yada, yada - One People Under God,

Spend Sundays feigning tolerance - six others prove the fraud!

The path is STRAIGHT and narrow - or so the Preachers say,

God can only love you - if you Pray Away the Gay!


With piety comes judgment - where the opposite should be,

Why don't they hear God telling them acceptance is the key?

Words twisted to their palate - Lord of all that they survey,

Preaching God can only love you - if you Pray Away the Gay!


So it Shall be Written, therefore - So it Shall be Done!

Strictly by their Book, or to your heart is aimed a gun!

Just what the world needs - more lost Souls on which to prey,

God's charging a small fortune to help Pray Away that Gay!


Why not pray away their ignorance - the evil, narrow mind,

The greedy and self-righteous - the arrogant and blind?

Why not charge a Godly ransom - why not take it all the way,

When success is just as likely - as Praying Away the Gay!!


If this is proof of 'God's Work' - urging hatred and division,

Then we as human beings - each face a huge decision!

Time has come to draw the line - accepting love as a bouquet,

There's always Fifty Shades of Bloom - can't Pray the Gay Away!


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      Madeleine Salin 4 years ago from Finland

      Brilliant poem with an important message. Voted up!

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      Bill Holland 4 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Weird! I just wrote about this in today's hub....great minds.....

      Wonderful poem and a message that needs to be internalized by many in this country!

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      Susan Zutautas 4 years ago from Ontario, Canada

      I have to agree with Bill, but I'd say a message that needs to be internalized worldwide!

      Fantastic Poem!!!

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      FyrFytr234 4 years ago

      Nicely done.

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      Audrey Howitt 4 years ago from California

      You always say so much in your work--such an important message--one that people need to hear--

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      John Sarkis 4 years ago from Los Angeles, CA

      Really well done. You're so right about what you've said. I was impressed with your poem.

      John

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Made: Grrrrrr...intolerance pisses this libra off...Can ya tell? Lol..

      Thanks for taking the time, Made!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Billybuc: Really? i haven't gotten anything about your new hub yet - you know i'll be there! Thanks for taking the time, Bill - i know you've got a 'BILL-ion things to do! xx

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @JustAskSusan: Thank you, Susan, and - please share, dear!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Fyrfytr234: Why, thank you sir!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @JohnSarkis: Thank you John! That's a lovely compliment..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @AudreyHowitt: Ah, Audrey - your sweetness is exceeded only by your amazing talent! Thank you dear!

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      Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      ImKarn23.......Wonderful Poetry. Bravo to you, girl! I have no time for intolerance, bigotry ...least of all, hatred. I don't understand the noise and the chest-beating.....what are they saying? what are they solving?

      Most of all........WHY do they feel a need to berate and belittle?

      Live, love...be happy and at peace. We share a tiny world and exist here, such little time.......Must there be misery at any cost??.......UP+++

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Fpherj48: Clearly - you could have written this! I adore your strong beliefs - which is easy because i couldn't agree more! It's people's insecurity...people's need to be one-up...people's fear of true equality! And many of these folks are the ones who rally against the 1% for THEIR need to be one-up - THEIR fear of true equality...

      Life's funny, ain't it?

      Just not in a ha-ha kind of way..

      haha

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      Hello girlfriend.. what a message this is.. I was taught to love no matter what.. You are awesome at these messages my friend

      sharing

      Debbie

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @DeborahBrooks: I see we're both partying hardy on a saturday night! lol.. I also see that you'ze in Tex-Ass - my favor-ite state!

      I'm a libra - injustice pisses me off!

      Hugzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxx

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      Leslie.. LOL....Hugs to you my friend.. blessings

      Debbie

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      Susan Holland 4 years ago from Southwest Missouri

      A wonderful message in your poetry. As a Christian, I believe God has unconditional love for ALL of us. If Christians want to share the faith, it needs to be with the true love of Christ and not with the pointing finger of judgment. That's what got the Pharisees into trouble. I wouldn't want to be one of them. :-)

      Fabulous Job!

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      HLPhoenix 4 years ago

      A really important, and very timely poem... there does come a time to decide... is America just for you and who you approve of... or is it for All The People... Freedom of Conscience not just to believe in God or Not but to be Free to live by our own Consciene in all the private areas of our lives. Good Job.

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      Martin Kloess 4 years ago from San Francisco

      For a long time I kept them guessing at work,,, is Martin gay our straight? Sure I would frequent "gay bars" ( but they were better!). Sure I had gay friends. Sure, I dressed "funny". Am/was I gay?

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      MickiS 4 years ago from San Francisco

      An important message well written. Thanks for the great poem.

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      Denise Handlon 4 years ago from North Carolina

      Pray Away the Gay? Never heard of it before until watching the video...sure glad I've got cool friends like you to help keep me informed. Rated Way UP/I/U/F/A and B...for Brilliant.

      Gee, I feel like I am sounding stupid with my admiration of how you take these daily issues and create such clever poem messages. Clever! Ok...I'm moving on and sharing everywhere. Social injustice has a voice here in HP!

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      Jayme Kinsey 4 years ago from Oklahoma

      Wow! Such a powerful hub. Great message that, thanks your brilliant writing, does not have to over-analyzed! Voting up!

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      Zulma Burgos-Dudgeon 4 years ago from United Kingdom

      Great poem, Leslie. It was intolerance and hypocrisy that drove me away from organised religion. With my new found spiritual path, I just try to live the best life I can. That includes accepting others as they are even if it's not your cup of tea. After all, they may feel the same about your chosen lifestyle.

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      Suzanne Ridgeway 4 years ago from Dublin, Ireland

      Hi Leslie,

      Great poem, no "flaffin" about!! Shoot from the hip girl - good idea to include video, enjoyed it! Voted up and more !!

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      Sue Pratt 4 years ago from New Orleans

      Extremely powerful hub with a straightforward message. These are the things that made me leave organized religion. My work with people with AIDS in the '80s showed me way more than I wanted to know about prejudice. In fairness, and not to "lump," I also met some fine Christians, walking the walk. Wonderful poetry, and the video definitely contributed to this hub. Great all around.

      marsei

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Sholland10: Being 'christian' should not be a religion - it should be a behavior! I was born jewish - and altho i feel zero attachment to that or any other man-made religion - i COULD say i'm more 'christian' than most christians!

      I try my damnedest to not be judgmental (other than towards those that judge..lol), not to feel superior to those who have less or are weaker, not to feel entitled, - and NOT think i'm better than anyone else because i go to some stupid church!

      I love your open and clear-mindedness, Sholland! Stop by any old time at all...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @HLPhoenix: LIVE and LET freakin' LIVE! Nuff said...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @DeniseHandlon: Oh, Denise - you've got my number dear! Social injustice seems to be my middle name - it drives me absolutely - well - bonkers...lol..

      i cannot comprehend man's injustice to man..or woman...or animal..

      Are we really so insecure that we need to stomp on others to feel better about ourselves? THAT terrifies me!

      We could each made an impact - TODAY - by facing our fears and opening our minds..

      To be honest, Denise - i think it'd be less...exhausting..to be able to write nice love poetry - but - clearly - i prefer exhaustion...LOL..

      ps..STUPID? Girlfriend - i think you sound B...for Brilliant!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Sharkye11: I appreciate your heart-felt comment!

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      Steve 4 years ago from Brockport, NY

      Great Hub. It says so much and it deserves to be read by many more people than who will read it here.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Phoenix2327: Thanks for the honest comment, Phoenix! It's interesting - those that see the hypocrisy, and those that just will NOT - when it's clearly there for all who seek truth!

      Human nature is a strange animal, and not as evolved as we'd like to believe..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @SuzieHQ: I will never EVER be found guilty of 'flaffin about' - in YOUR honor, Suzie...loll

      It's either shoot from the hip - or miss the target!

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      KT Banks 4 years ago from Texas

      When I saw the title with your name beside it, I was momentarily shocked! lol

      As a happily married mother of three - I don't understand why other people want to prevent anyone else from finding their Happiness -however they need to find it.

      Thanks for much for this masterpiece. With you permission, I would love to share it, and spread it around.

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      Vinaya Ghimire 4 years ago from Nepal

      Once American gay couple traveled to Nepal to get married. I believe everyone has right to live even though other may not agree with their orientation.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Marsei: I'm very sure helping AIDS victims would expose you to TONS of prejudice! As if dying - or having death hovering over you - isn't impossible in and of itself!

      Again - fear causes prejudice, eh? People need to Wo/Man up and face their fears AIDS/GAY/DEATH/ETC - and just have a little compassion..

      they don't even know how good they'll feel...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Steveso: Thanks much, Steve! Please - feel free to share..lol

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @KTBanks: lol...shocked that i'd written something that matters instead of what consistently passes for ' hub of the day around this place? LOL..

      forgive my venting - but - todays hod is: Storage for Small Bathrooms with 977 followers..

      BOY...do i feel a hub brewing..lol..

      and please - share away...i - and all gays - appreciate it..(no, i'm not gay personally, but, so what?)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @VinayaGhimire: I'm thrilled that Napal is so open minded, vinaya! I'm also thrilled you took the time to stop in!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Mhatter99: i dunno, Martin - are/were you gay? yawn...

      i'm proud of you for not, ahem - straightening - them out - one way or t'other!

      Thanks for sharing...

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      Thomas Silvia 4 years ago from Massachusetts

      Hi Leslie, great hub +awesome poem= priceless message !

      Well done and vote up !!! SHARING !

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      Bernard J. Toulgoat 4 years ago from Treasure Coast, Florida

      Your poem links two of the great hypocrisies of all times. Everytime I meet another open minded person on HP, it's a little sign that there is hope for humanity. In short, you made my day :)

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

      When are people ever going to learn that being Gay is not a life style choice. I really don't believe that some judgemental people want to learn the truth. Great message Leslie...

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      Christopher Peruzzi 4 years ago from Freehold, NJ

      You tried scrubbing it out... You've tried soaking it out... But still you have gay around the collar.

      It's hard to explain to people that this is genetic and with the exception of the human race, it's a natural condition across the entire animal kingdom.

      If it were so terrible, gay people would be like praying mantises - although I'd hate to lose my head in the end.

      Excellent hub.

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      ImKarn23, you have put every important point into such a beautifully written poem, I am almost speechless - and you know that's unusual! lol.

      Thank you.... big Hug from me too.

      Maybe we call rename these pages HugPages.

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      Ray 4 years ago

      Great poem ... Other Hubbers have said it all ...I'll sum it up with F'n Brilliant !!

      Of course voted up !

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Cperuzzi: Lol..You funny boy, eh? Sooo..you'd hate to lose your head - in which end? Lol..Thanks for taking the time and for the hilarious comment!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Alwaysexploring: Yep...I think that today i'm going to 'choose' to be gay! It just sounds like so much fun.

      i can walk down the street and never know if someone's gonna beat the gay shit out of me! I can't understand why more don't make this 'choice'!

      lol..

      You said it AE!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kashmir56: Hello, my friend - i love your math! Thanks for sharing...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Austinhealy: Open-minded, eh? I just don't see where others get off sticking their nose in other people's sex lives! I'm not so much open minded as they are narrow!

      I'm normal - it's everybody else - of course! LOL

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      epigramman 4 years ago

      ....I was this way once ....until I met you .... but I will go back ....if you ever leave me .....without one single motherfooking day by not being able to read your delicious poe-tree ......

      curently listening to ACDC's The Jack - stunted growth indeed and .....deafness too.

      lake erie loud 11:39pm

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      Vincent Moore 4 years ago

      More of us need to stand up against bigotry and those slamming their righteous beliefs down out throats. Let's face it like Communism, homosexuality can't be stopped, it's existed since the beginning of man. Freedom of expression and who we choose to physically have a sexual lifestyle with should be left to our choice.

      Governments and religious fanatics need to exam their own sexual preferences and behaviour before casting stones. How often has disclosure unfolded and caught politicians with their own pants or panties down in places that surprised their voters. How many church members pray in church, go home and beat up their wives, molest their children and they cry out to kill gay people. It's virtually a sick world we live in and we must accept it. So many changes have transpired over time and their are so many more to come.

      Love is the only answer, LOVE your fellow man. No matter his/her skin color, beliefts, sexual preferences and lifestyles. As long as one does not HURT or KILL or HARM another person then they need to stay out of others bedrooms and pointing fingers and bad mouthing them. This is a beautiful poem and I'm happy that you SHOUTED out loud and clear for AMERICA for that matter the WORLD to wake UP.

      Peace and blessings I send to you this day my fine poet.

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      KT Banks 4 years ago from Texas

      No! The title made me think you were going to bash gay people. I was afraid you thought it Could be prayed away - and that would have surprised me. : )

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: Lol...speechless is good..(me thinks..)..Thanks for the read and even more for the hug! Back atcha, Jonny!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Epigramman: Oh, Epi - how could anyone ever leave you??? Do i look like a nit wit to you? lol..(can you hear me?...can you hear me NOW??)xx

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @KTBanks: GUFFAW! Boy, did you have the wrong girl! sometimes - it's good to be wrong...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @VincentMoore: I SO agree, Vincent, my highly evolved friend! Move on people - there are actual problems that need solving! Thank you for your perspective - which in my humble opinion - is right on the money!

      Peace to you! Namastexx

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      Hamper97 4 years ago

      "Why not pray away their ignorance - the evil, narrow mind,

      The greedy and self-righteous - the arrogant and blind?"

      this says it all... ♥

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Hamper97: so glad you agree, dear! please...come again!

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      Eiddwen 4 years ago from Wales

      So powerful and clever I loved it and look forward to so many more.

      Eddy.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Eiddwen: Ditto,Eddy!

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      Vladimir Uhri 4 years ago from HubPages, FB

      Do u think hating sin is bigotry? Sin is malignant and unmerciful killer. I love all but not sin.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @VladimirUhri: I guess it depends on your definition of sin, Vladimir. If you define it as love between 2 men or women - even though it's often referenced throughout the bible - any bible - and all through the centuries - then yes - i think hating that definition of sin IS bigotry...don't you?

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      Frank Atanacio 4 years ago from Shelton

      What an intersting hub.. just reminded me of the time when our preacher told us to wish and pray for gays to go away.. and we did.. so we loss our aunt Cindy, Uncle James.. and three cousins.. we thought the Lord took them but no.. they moved to San Francisco... jokes aside people are people.. let them live their lives...:)

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      Wise words, Frank. With all the arguing about religious things, whether "god" exists in any kind of reality, what "christians" should be fighting for, what "other" people are doing wrong with their lives.......such a waste of time! surely there is much more important stuff for all of us to be working for in this world?

      Like looking after our environment, preparing for harder times ahead by innovation and learning new skills?

      This generation's children, grand children, great great grand children, ad infinitum, they will depend upon the choices we leave them. If we do not leave a viable world for them, WE will guilty of sin of the worst kin, surely!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @FrankAtanacio: LOL!! Perfect example of 'be careful whatcha pray for', eh? Thanks for dropping in, Frank!

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      Vladimir Uhri 4 years ago from HubPages, FB

      Nobody wants to live or run somebodies life. Point is here it is nobody business about private life of someone else and I do not want to be judge of others. But marry is different matter and means destruction of family unit. Communists want to destroy family. It is one of their main goal.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @VladimirUhri: Communists?? Sigh..

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      Vladimir Uhri 4 years ago from HubPages, FB

      I lived in communism. Did you?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @VladimirUhri: No, i have not, but - my response was because i saw no place for communism where this hub was concerned...i certainly wasn't belittling your life experience, sir..

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      Wow! This is really great, hard-hitting poetry! It should give even the closeminded pause about their rigid beliefs. Marriage should be between two people who want to spend their lives together, regardless of gender.

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      Justsilvie 4 years ago

      Your poem brought to mind one of my favorite quotes:

      I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ-- Mahatma Gandhi

      Powerful Poem! Have to share it!

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      Jim Higgins 4 years ago from Eugene, Oregon

      Love that Ghadi quote!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Xstatic: Agreed! How easy is that, eh?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Justsilvie: I would not dream of following Gandhi! Could not say it better!

      Thanks for sharing, Silvie!

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      Deborah Neyens 4 years ago from Iowa

      Brilliant poem. I am proud to live in a state where same sex couples can legally marry thanks to a courageous but absolutely legally correct Supreme Court decision (for which 3 justices already have lost their jobs and one other who is up for a retention vote this year is now under attack). Three years later, despite the dire predictions, the world has not come to an end and my heterosexual marriage is doing just fine with no imminent threat on the horizon from all those happily married gay couples.

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      Vladimir Uhri 4 years ago from HubPages, FB

      Hey, people love God whom they do not see, but hate Christian they live with. We are not perfect as you expect. But I love unlovable and pray who do not like me. :)

      How we can expect peace?

      The hate is one step to death.

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      Mike Russo 4 years ago from Placentia California

      Gay Conversion Therapy!...Tell that to my son. He is 43 and just came out about two months ago. There was no drama on my wife and my part. We had suspected it anyway. They you can't really know another person until you have walked a mile in their shoes...And as a parent, that is really true. Thanks for a great poem. Voting up, useful, and sharing.

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      ahorseback 4 years ago

      ImKarn , You ARE a force to be reconned with , maybe thats what I love about cha ! You are a libra huh , wow , I'll bet its fun to know you!.lol.......Gay is as Gay does ....I always thought ;What if a loved one said to me ..".I'm Gay "....what would I do ,stop loving them , NO !...........luv ya ! Luv yer writing !

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      Rich 4 years ago from Kentucky

      Leslie,

      I've read thru the comments you've surprised you didn't get more negative feedback from the narrow minded of the world on this controversial topic. I would almost expect a barrage of irate representatives of the Politically Correct denominational crowd to be extremely vocal.

      I've always been of the belief that we're all human, so who cares. I have met several, in my life, that don't feel that way, to say the least. It's their loss as there are great folks in all groups. You just have to take the time to know the person, instead of fearing or hating the label. Great Job!

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      rcrumple, good feed back! It makes you wonder what the " irate representatives" are worried about, doesn't it?

      I have often wondered how a "Loving God" can screw your brain by saying "you can't get into heaven unless you obey me!" Sounds very much like a bad parent with hang-ups, to me. Maybe he's gay after all!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Peoplepower73: Good for your son - and even better on you and your better half! It is what it is - it doesn't change who he is! Parents who disown their kids cause they're gay? or - god forbid - dating a black/white man/woman, etc - are just plain unevolved morons! Talk about cutting off one's own nose to spite one's own face, eh?

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      Julianna 4 years ago from SomeWhere Out There

      Beautiful and strong message. God does not judge others and loves all unconditionally. We are all created in God's image and many take the word out of context. Ugh!! God is love and if everyone who reads it would understand it than the world would be a better place. He does not spew hate, division or fear. Thumbs up!

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      Vladimir Uhri 4 years ago from HubPages, FB

      We cannot mix love with the sin. God loves the man and hate the sin. Eating of wrong fruit looked like minor matter. But the curse was released of sin of broken faith and trust. The poverty stoked, diseases and death is the result. *** I forgave man who molested me when I was about 14, but it is still sin, is it? Are we not in enough troubles we do not stick with the Word of God?

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      Vladimir, with great respect to you and the history which was not kind to you..... however, your "Word of God" is open to you to interpret as you see fit, as it applies to yourself.

      I have my points of view and I don't see "sin" as applying to some connection with a "god."

      Put simply, anything which I do or say that makes life less enjoyable for my fellow being is wrong of me. The worst sort of wrong, ( if you can categorize a list of wrongs, ) is when I cause a barrier, or wall, to be put up between my neighbour and myself (not speaking about the garden fence, I am sure you understand).

      I believe that what is referred to as "Sin" in christian circles is really something which separates the believer from his or her "god."

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      Sueswan 4 years ago

      Hi Leslie,

      ROFL on Frank's comment.

      I wonder if those who say that being gay is a sin because the bible says so would change their tune if it was revealed that God loves us all.

      Voted up, away and sharing.

      Have a wonderful weekend. :-)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @DeborahNeyens: I would be proud if i were you as well, Deborah! It takes brave people to stand up and do the right thing - even when it may cost them personally! I LOVE that! While i'm sorry those justices lost their jobs - i feel confident that something better is coming their way! we need more brave men in this world!

      Lol...yes - those 'happily married gay couples' have a criminal communist agenda to ruin all heterosexual marriages - if not all heterosexuals, PERIOD! (haha)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Rcrimple: Richard - you are right - i am pleasantly surprised that more right wingers haven't come to visit to vent regarding my misguided beliefs that all are equal and all deserve to be treated as such - UNTIL they prove otherwise by threatening others autonomy - as certain (unnamed here) religious factions have done..

      On the other hand - maybe they are just keeping their distance? Or...don't know i exist...lol

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: You know what they're worried about, Jonny! Their superiority! Their misguided 'faith'! You know their faith is better than your faith - and your faith is better than my faith - and so on and so on and -puke - so on...

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      Randi Benlulu 4 years ago from Mesa, AZ

      Great hub! Thank you for writing this! It does need to be shared! Up, awesome and useful!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Sueswan: Pick and choose what fits one's beliefs, eh? Doesn't it say somewhere that we are all god's children? I wasn't aware of an addendum saying gays were excluded? HOW can they miss that? Thanks for stopping by! Have a great weekend, Sue!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Aevans:Ugh is right! I firmly believe taht god did not create man in his image - but that man created god in HIS! Blasphemous perhaps - but the proof is everywhere! Nice to meet you, AEvans!

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      You used the word "worried," Leslie. I would add a bit more weight to it and say "afraid." Fear is probably the basis for all of this "right wing" fundamentalist, fanatical religion. The fear the "I will be judged and punished" by some nebulous "god" who knows everything important about me. " I can't have secrets, yet I have all these bad feelings inside of me which I know are forbidden, so I must threaten and beat and kill anything which reflects what I really am."

      In my understanding, their zeal in religion tells us much more about the person practising the religion, i.e., the one telling the Lie.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: You are my kind of people, Jonny - you call em like you see em - and your sight is pretty 20/20 as far as i can see! What loving, caring 'god' would allow his 'flock' (of sheep) to suffer on earth in the only consciousness we're..um..aware of (lol)... it's all a bunch of bunk as far as i'm concerned - but - it's a bunch of bunk that maims, destroys, and kills!

      And yes - it is motivated and sustained by fear..NOT FAITH!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Btrbell: Appreciate your reading it! Very nice to meet you - and thanks for sharing!

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      Vladimir Uhri 4 years ago from HubPages, FB

      jonnycomelately, you are right. The way I see! The Word of God set me free, not to sin but from sin.

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      Ok, Vladimir, can I ask you a question?

      Do you see your own inner self in anything we have been saying in the above postings, from everyone who has contributed?

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      Anan Celeste 4 years ago from California

      This is so sad and yet is another step to understand each other. My daughter and I where watching the movie " Prayers for Bobby". Every ten minutes we would start to cry. It portrays ( as your wonderful poem) the evil imparted by " Godly people" to those that are diferent, thinking that praying away the gay, indoctrinating the kid was acceptable. You have to see it, it is in youtube. The end of the movie broke my heart in two.

      As a mother, I never feared that one of my kids would be gay, I would loved them more. But I was terrified what the world would say or do to them. I knew, that I could'nt protect them all the time. In my life I have seen how "Godly People" have destroyed a child's ( gay teen) self worth telling them that they are "unclean", sinfull. Yet, we turn the other way when a pastor or priest have child pornography in their computer. I may be out of line, but I think that we need to pray away the prejudice.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Ananceleste: i got goosebumps reading your comment...i LOVE what you said about loving your child MORE if he/she were gay - but being terrified by how others would treat him/her! I know i would feel exactly the same - MORe protective - not less!

      Remember when aids first came on the scene? Wasn't it 'godly people' who said it was god's way of wiping gays off the earth? God is but a pawn - used whenever humans feel entitled to have things their way - as if life were a burger king drive thru window!

      Trust me - if we took their precious 'god' out of the equation - their almighty 'allah' telling them to murder the 'infidels' and be rewarded with 27 virgins and peeled grapes in heaven - they'd STILL be murdering willy nilly! Why? Cause the real reason is - they LIKE to! It makes them feel better about their shortcomings - and 'god' is but an excuse to never evolve!

      Please tell me - which loving god would force his allegedly 'most faithful' to NOT do something so natural and instinctual - such as SCREW? Clearly god likes it better when they screw little boys in dark closets? O, my GOD!

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      Leslie I had to read again. I just pray that everyone would love each other no matter what treat each other with love.. I have never understood why people has to be mean to each other just because we do not agree.. I wasn't brought up like that.

      hugs sweetie

      sharing again

      Debbie

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      If there is so much of this hatred towards homosexual people amongst so many christian churches in the USA (and of course in churches which have been spawned across the world), do you think there is a very deep seated mental inadequacy in the USA? Does it all point to that? Could it be some kind of inferiority complex? I know so little about psychology but this seems a logical conclusion.

      Apparently this is not a very modern phenomenon. When you read the history of slavery, plantation bosses, prohibition, ransacking the native Americans, drug cartels, etc., it looks like so much denial and self-doubt.

      Hitting out at the more vulnerable people in society is probably a way of hitting out at our inner inadequacies.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: YES, finally - YES! It can ONLY be a psychological shortcoming! Look at organizations such as the hells angels or the mafia - together they have the balls of a bull - catch them alone and they couldn't find their balls with both hands on 'em! it's a 'groupie' thing! Christians are so arrogant - as a groupie - that giving 'equality' to a group they see as beneath them - is totally unacceptable! Keeping them - and any other 'lesser' minority down - only perpetuates their false sense of superiority! You can see where it would be difficult to 'reason' with folks who might have this agenda, eh? Sigh...

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      I hope this humour is not out of place here, Leslie, delete if you think so.

      What did one sagging breast say to the other sagging breast?

      If we don't get some support around here, people will think we're a couple of nuts!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: LOLOL...sir - i am one that believes humor is rarely out of place! Btw...some are too small to sag - yet - plenty of folks round here still think i'm nuts! LOL..

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      lovedoctor926 4 years ago

      Lol. There's a lot of truth here and again, you have done it my friend.. Brilliant! that makes two of us. good to hear from you:)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Lovedoctor926: Soo happy to see you here and it was awesome chatting! Now go crack those books! (CRACK!)

      lolxx

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      Charles Hilton 4 years ago

      Love this! Nothing speaks truth like humor and sarcasm---and in a poem, no less.

      Praying away the gay is about as useful as praying away the white. I know, because I've been praying away my white for years now, and I'm still a stupid fucking white man. :P

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @CharlesHilton: om(f)g! I almost choked on my coffee i laughed so hard - still laughing actually! Thanks for the awesome giggle, Charles! Share if ya care - Or if ya dare..lol

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      Charles Hilton 4 years ago

      I know there's a 'share' function on here somewhere, but, I can't find it.

      So, I copied and pasted this as best I could. lol

      Thanks for an awesome poem!

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      @CharlesHilton: Lol..sometimes i think i'm the only one who knows where it is - i'm trying to share almost everything i read - why da heck not? The button is called 'hubpages followers' and it's right under the 'tweet' button..

      AND - i very much appreciate it, Charles...

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      Charles Hilton 4 years ago

      Gawd, that was easy. But, it's still not showing the hub. Maybe it takes a while? It's not easy being a stupid white guy. lol

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      Jennifer Vasconcelos 4 years ago from Cyberspace and My Own World

      The Ultimate hypocrisy is thinking is thinking that GOD the creator of all hates anything. People want to say what God Hates and use it to cover-up their own fear and insecurities, Sad truth in today's world. I say let them miss out on all the beauty and love that this world has to offer - they simply don't "get it" and it's their loss at the end of the day.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jlava73: my dear - i could not have said it better myself! Love it!

      My problem is that 'those' scared little people don't just sit in their dark caves - they come en mass into the streets yelling and screaming their biases for all to hear - and for the weak, scared, stupid and pious to believe is true..

      and the beat goes on...

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      Mr. Happy 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      "Pray the gay away" ... wow. I had never heard of this anti-gay therapy stuff and it sounds so idiotic in my mind that I do not know how it even came to being. And I don't really know what to say ...

      "Pray idiocy away." - That might do us better.

      Thank You for raising awareness about this issue.

      All the best!

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      Most of what we hear from the "god squad" is very negative in true, humanity terms. What's more, it's invasive, interfering, presumptuous.

      For example, a hotel proprietor taking it upon him/her self to say that two men, or two women, who are deeply in love and enjoying a relationship in which neither would do harm or go against the wishes of the partner, may not sleep in the same bed together..... because the proprietor has a "moral, god-supported" objection!

      Heck, is the proprietor going to peep through the window all night long, just to make sure "nothing untoward" happens?

      None of his/her business! Just the same as any heterosexual couple should have their privacy!

      Another example: A person is lying in a bed, absolutely dependent on others to do everything "natural" for him/her. The future is absolutely certain: a long, slow, messy, forlorn slide into oblivion, and eventual death. That person should have a FREE choice as to whether or not to end this life at a time of his/her choosing. To deny that choice is, again, interfering. It's tantamount to cruelty, like you would never do to a dog or cat that was in misery. NO ONE is saying you must kill that person. I am saying the CHOICE is one we should respect, and give loving support to help the sufferer in that choice.

      Christians do not have the monopoly on morality in this world. Indeed, much of the evil committed is done by hypocrites masquerading.

      The "Christian Lobby" is a front for something. I don't know exactly what. But it ain't humanity!

      Finally, to those people who have a deep, genuine, loving relationship with their "God," who they feel helps them in their lives, but do not need to interfere and impose it on others, I love you too. You need not feel you are included in my rant.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Mr.Happy: Thanks for stopping by, Mister! Sorry to have opened your eyes to such an...uncomfortable...issue! It's amazing what people can come up with in the name of 'god' - isn't it?

      Agendas are a funny thing..

      Please- come again!

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      Mr. Happy 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      We really need to work at improving education. The lack of it, strengthens people's senseless fears and then, some end-up trying to pray away other people's identities. Education nowadays promotes conformity and does not encourage critical thinking and diversity. We really need to work at changing our mentality and perception, towards a more understanding, compassionate and caring path (towards one another).

      Sadly enough, Christianity was supposed to do all that but it seems it has failed.

      Thank You for the conversation.

      Cheers!

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      My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

      You can't blame Christianity, you must blame humans. True Christians do not judge. Humans are what make an ideal fail.

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      Mr. Happy 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      When a lesson is not understood, I tend to think it is the lesson that needs improvement and not the student. The student is the one who needs the help to begin with. The lesson is there to do the helping. When the lesson is not practical or does not have the intended impact, it is my opinion that the lesson needs to be revised.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @MyMind's Eye53: Nice to 'meet' another hubber - but - christians do judge..(refer to history to present), and, not always kindly..

      these programs are based in christianity...programs offered through religious institutions...

      if true christians do not judge - we need a whole lot more of 'em!

      Please come again..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: You are so right - confident folks who are happy in their own lives have no need to judge or belittle others to make themselves feel better...

      i agree on your outlook and philosophy sir..

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      kallini2010 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      I think gays is an easy target for simply being a minority and the hatred is associated with the core belief what is right, what is wrong and what is acceptable or NATURAL.

      Two men or two women is such an ungodly way. In the beginning (as you know, I personally remember socializing with Eve and Adam), there were no gays.

      Two people and a snake. They blamed it later on a woman, of course. Now, gays can take the heat.

      Interestingly enough, I never met gays or at least they did not find it necessary to declare their orientation to me and I remained happily unaware for it was none of my business. But I met a boy... only five years of age and if he will turn out straight, I would be more than surprised. I have never seen anything like it - he is a girl.

      Luckily for him, his parents don't fight it - but I think he will have a lot of trouble in school - children are merciless, even his own brother...

      The boys call him "a nature's mistake..."

      A good cause, a good poem!

      In the end, we are all human with all our love and all our hatred. To understand what it means to be different, to be a minority and to be rejected, every one of those "Christians" must go through the school of "Hatred" him/herself. We only understand on our own skin...

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      kallini2010 , with great respect for what you have written here, but I must point out that to be "gay" does not mean "girly."

      In "the old days," i.e. when everything homosexual had to be so covert in our society, the outwardly different guy was probably effeminate to a greater or lesser degree. There was a whole language around it, like being "camp," "bona," etc. Everyone assumed that to be "gay" you had to act like a female (although with great respect also to women, I have never seen you act like you're supposed to be effeminate, lol). You wore fancy or dandy clothes, spoke with a lisp, held your cigarette just right, acted bitchy to anyone who was in the least critical of you..... "Queer as a nine-bob watch," was the catch phrase.

      Today, that is not the quintessential "gay." There are individuals who do act very camp, for sure, and they should be respected. It takes all sorts to make a world, and OUR world is all the more colourful and diverse as a result. Thank you camp guys!

      I am gay, and I am not in any way effeminate, or camp. I am a man, period! Yet I have never had or wanted sex with a female. Don't ask me why, the question is irrelevant and none of anyone else's business.

      There is a big proportion of men and women who are homosexual who do not cross-dress. We are in all manner of careers, skills, professions. We are not in any way dangerous to children, and we don't coerce others into being like us. We accept and respect heterosexual people who are in the majority; we don't try to change them.

      Anyone here who has never had a friendship with a gay person, please give it a go. You are in charge of your part of the friendship. He/she is in charge of the other half. You don't need to think in terms of every gay person wanting sex (let alone anal sex, which is not practised by every gay guy, by the way. Some have absolutely no interest in it.)

      You will find you are missing out on some beautiful friendships if you don't at least drop your guard for once in your life.

      Have I said enough for now? Must shut up and let you all get a word in edgeways!

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      My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

      I am a Christian, I was raised to think being gay was wrong. Then I grew up and realized that we are also taught to be tolerant, non judgmental and loving to each of our brothers (and sisters). I would rather pray that we each be the best person we are able to be. My best may not be your best. I have plenty of gay friends and they are wonderful people. Of course I have met a couple I did not like, but this is true with any group of people. I try not to pigeon hole people. Being gay is not the only side of a gay person.

      I did not know what to think of gay people until I actually knew one. You are what you are. I don't think it is a sin if God chose to make you what you are. He does not make mistakes. Why do we worry so much about the gays instead of the murderers, rapists and so on? I can respect a gay person as much as anyone else if they are true to their mate, but I will not respect them just because they are gay any more than I would just because they are white, black, Christian, etc.

      I must disagree on one point Jonnycomelately, Being gay does not make you immune to doing wrong. I had an Uncle who was gay and also a pedophile. He ruined a couple of lives. He may be the reason my parents strongly taught us it was a sin.

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      kallini2010 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      Jonnycomelately, you have probably misunderstood what I meant - I am not judging gay adults and I never make an assumption about a sexual orientation, nor I have a problem with it.

      I don't even see a problem with anal sex - it find it ironic that it is expected for a woman (just watch the porn - it is a must there), but men are scared of it because it might be a sign of you know what...

      I was not talking about gay community - all that you have said - I agree with - and I don't have gay friends because I must confess I have no friends - no one I can call at 3 in the morning anyways. I have no support system. No one even to call for any kind of sex - not that it qualifies a great friendship.

      I just shared this experience - the boy is only five - there is no talk about any sex - he only has an older brother - so there were no sisters, no girl toys, but the boy behaves as if he is a girl - he only plays with dolls, imagines himself a princess, all his books, his movies... he dances... and the family is just goes along for the ride. I was admiring the parents. To me, it seemed that the boy is clearly gay. Maybe I am mistaken.

      But I have to stress again - I am not against gays, why would I be? I know it is not a choice a person makes, it is something you are born with. Like my bipolar illness - how many people are thrilled to deal with someone mental? People are either scared or not interested. I know what stigma is. And I know how hard it is to be rejected by people who are the closest to you. It is very damaging.

      Even though, in old Russia, people affected by mental illness were considered closer to God. I don't know.

      I am not a judge. I am simply human.

      Sometimes for intolerance people just need an outlet.

      I guess the gay community was always a convenient one.

      Best of luck to you,

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      My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

      @ananceleste Why would you love your child any more or less if they happened to be gay?

      I would also like to say that not all Christians are alike. The teachings are there if they would just be followed. If people would read the bible in the way Christ would think, then I don't think there would be any misunderstandings. I realize Gays are fighting centuries of what people are taught to think, so are other minorities and I think we all need to step back and look at where the other person came from and what that person has had drilled into them from day one. We all have to learn to think for ourselves and look at the things we have been taught and decide for ourselves if that is really what God wants from us. We are all on our own journey, why can't we help each other to get there?

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      Good honest feedback from all of you, thanks a lot!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: Hey, Jonny - anytime you can pray away that nasty gay - i'd do ya...lol!

      Now, seriously - Bravo to you, my friend! your strength and courage allows you to educate others - possibly the greatest gift anyone can offer!

      If you read what i write - you may already know that i'm considered 'submissive' - another subculture that is frowned upon by the mainstream! It's never easy to be something other than what is considered normal - and it takes great insight and courage to live life true to one's nature!

      What people fail to understand - while sitting in their 'normal' worlds - is that nobody is born thinking - 'gee - i wanna grow up gay so my life can be constantly threatened from all angles'..

      Ya know?

      Come on folks - live and let freakin' live - aren't there better and bigger things to worry about?

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kallini2010: My friend - with all due respect - i stopped reading at the word 'ungodly' ...and then i continued on..

      THAT WORD is the excuse for more strife - more hatred, more distrust, more war - and more death - than any other word in any language dictionary!

      it's time to stop hiding behind 'god' and take a hard look into our very human hearts! who are we to judge? if you don't like it - don't do it - BUT - WHY HURT OTHERS? either with word or deed?

      Our pious, narrow-minded outlooka have not served us well to date, i think you'll agree?

      Well past time to try something new, like - acceptance and empathy...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Mr. Happy: So true that! Human nature is to fear what we don't understand - and our 'loving gods' won't allow discussion or education - according to those who teach 'His' words at least..

      in my opinion - ALL organized religion has failed!

      If god created man in his image - he can only be a greedy, uncaring, horny asshole - so, how does that jive?

      My thinking is more that man created god in HIS image - and no - i haven't been struck by lightning yet...

      sorry..lol..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @MyMindseye53: So nice to meet you - thanks for taking the time!

      Now that the we've got the civilities out of the way(lol) - your comment had me nodding my head in total respect and agreement right up until - i got to the last sentence...

      One bad macintosh apple does not spoil the entire brand (yes, i chose the apple on sooo many levels..lol)..

      your uncle wasn't a pedophile because he was gay - he was a pedophile because he was a pedophile - period!

      Your uncle molests a child - and you're taught that GAY is a sin? Let's take a moment and think about that...

      lol

      Please, my friend - stop in anytime! The coffee - and the convo's - always HOT!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kallini2010: You and i have had conversations in the past, dear - and you know i would never belittle your path - nor anyone elses,

      having said that i feel the need to point out something quite humorous - the three people having this conversation are an excellent example of any cross-section of the population: A gay, a submissive, and a bi-polar!

      Hilarious, when ya think of it..

      HEY you'ze peoples out there: guess what? We're like snowflakes - no 2 are even close to alike...

      Namaste, my friend

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @MyMindsEye53: Awesome comment - especially the 'think for ourselves' part!

      Voting up and across...lol

      Let's make a point of reaching out to someone - anyone today - to 'help them get there'...

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      kallini2010 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      ImKarn23 - thank you for your reply - when I said "ungodly" - it is the term and excuse that "normal" (Godly people have).

      I do not believe in God. To me, God is a not a strong word and not an argument. I am not emotional about it.

      To believers, even the word GOD has a lot of weight - they do not see past it. Every time I hear "God created man..."

      I don't believe in God creating man - I believe in evolution - I think it has been proven too many times to even dispute it - and what I like to refer is our

      Our Crocodilian Brain (Our Reptilian Brain) - the one that is the strongest, the limbic one, the one that provides our responses, reflexes and survival. Eat now, procreate now, danger? see - FLEE NOW!

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      Charles Hilton 4 years ago

      I didn't learn that my favorite uncle was gay until I was grown-up.

      Me and my brother and two sisters spent many weekends there while children; watching horror flicks till late at night; eating popcorn and drinking hot chocolate, etc. We always had a wonderful time.

      His 'roommate' used to take us on day trips in his station-wagon.

      We enjoyed ourselves immensely and were never so much as touched inappropriately.

      We always felt welcomed and included around him and his 'roommate', who were both compassionate and warm people.

      It was sad to see him die of AIDS, back in 1984, when it was still relatively new to America and not much was known about it.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kallini2010: I'm with ya, girlfriend...let's flee together..lol

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Charles Hilton: Very sorry to hear that...

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      Just a thought on the word "pedophile."

      "...phile" means lover of. If we really love children and want the best possible life, and the best education for them to grow up strong and resilient to life's trials, then we need to teach them the facts about life.

      How many parents out there can honestly and without embarrassment, talk to and teach a child the truth about sexual matters?

      Can you talk about a penis and vagina, and all the other sexual organs we are blessed with, without feeling guilty? Without getting the child to think there's something naughty and dirty here?

      Each of us has at least six organs relating to sex: Guys, a penis, 2 testes, prostate, skin, brain. Girls, clitoris, vagina, 2 ovaries, skin, brain.

      Each of us has desire, urges, dictated to us by natural process and selection.

      Each of us NEEDS stimulation and sharing in order to balance our personalities.

      All the above applies to young kids as well. If you don't teach them right, who will you leave the task to? Do you feel happy about a stranger talking to your child about sex? If not, learn to do the job yourself. Because if you don't, and you child grows up deprived of such information, he/she will have a very hard time of it trying to live a happy and fulfilling sex life.

      This is regardless of sexual orientation, which you cannot change, even if you try to hide it! This is where I bring into the equation most of those who try to appear "godly."

      Stop telling your self lies!

      Here e-n-d-e-th the le-e-e-s-o-n-n-n, A-h-m-e-n-n-n.

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      My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

      My point in bringing up my uncle was that there are good and bad in every group or culture of people. There are no societies that are all good or all bad. I also knew even as a kid that not all men or gays were pedophiles just because my uncle was one. That would fall into the prejudging category.

      Being Christian has taken a lot of hits lately. I have had a lot of hate aimed at me for how I believe, which I have never tried to force on anyone. So I guess I know some of what gays, blacks and other minorities face.

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      Ralph Deeds 4 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      The "pray away the gay" crowd are among the most hateful, ignorant and un-Christian Americans.

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      jessefutch 4 years ago from North Carolina

      No one who is truly Christian or truly understands the meaning of the bible would believe you can "pray the gay away". I will not comment on my beliefs on the subject one way or the other, but you're right, you can't pray gay away.

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      Paula 4 years ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

      What a wonderful poem. This is simply great, Imkarn.....I love it. So all these narrow-minded, phony Christians, who sit in judgement of others, helps me to understand why I never listen to their preaching and Bible-banging and all the damnation threats.....Their motto, "Pray the Gay away," merely reconfirms their ignorance. WHY don't they know this?

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      kallini2010 4 years ago from Toronto, Canada

      They are good with rhyming and they pray on people's fears and emotions. Religions are very effective - it's an excellent tool of control.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @jessefutch: Your input is always appreciated, Jesse! Thanks for taking the time!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Fpherj48: So glad you enjoyed it - so sorry things like this need to be written at all!

      I respect and admire people who can think on their own - people who are brave enough to question - and i respect and admire YOU!

      Thanks for adding your priceless two cents!

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      @Kallini: amen to that! (LOL)

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      My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

      I think most Christians believe it is an illness and so the power of prayer will help. I have never heard of anyone praying for the gay in someone to go away. When I have been in group prayer it is usually prayers for those suffering from illnesses or loss of a job. We also pray for our country. I know there are Christians that are like what you portray here, but shouldn't you be showing them compassion also? Don't they need to be prayed for? Only God knows what is truly in our hearts. If you don't believe in God, shouldn't you show tolerance for those who do. I know horrible things have been done in the name of God, but shouldn't we be understanding that something made these people the way they are? Not all Christians are good, but as I will not judge gays, I will not judge them either.

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      "I think most Christians believe it is an illness ....." Back to your belief system again, My Minds Eye53. It's what you believe. Can you ever come to the possibility that the belief itself is at fault? I don't mind what belief you have, provided it is not used to judge others. You said "....but as I will not judge gays...." yet your judgment is inherent in the belief that it's a "sickness." It is not a sickness with me! The presumption that we have to be prayed for is arrogance on the part of christians. Christians have far more to contend with in their own lives, and aught to sort themselves out first.....

      Let me tell you what the "sickness" really is. (And please, I am not angry at you, or trying to silence your point of view, just trying to expand you mind to other possibilities.)

      The real sickness comes in homosexual people when they are ostracized by their community, bullied, belittled, made to feel not wanted. These "anti-"s cause all manner of rejection syndromes, sadness, depression, fear and, as you will be well aware, suicide.

      The remedy is not in homosexual people trying to change what they cannot change, because it's a fundamental part of our makeup, but for people who are, like yourself, good-intentioned and kind at heart, to open up to knowledge and love beyond your beliefs.

      I come back to the last statement in my previous post: honesty about one's self. Becoming fully aware of what is in one's mental makeup is the first step to enlightenment. Only your willingness in this direction will start the ball rolling.

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      My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

      @jonnycomelately

      Have you read everything I have written in these comments? It doesn't sound like you are reading my words at all. I never said I thought it was an illness, medical science has proven it is not. I think I am pretty honest with myself, maybe I am being misunderstood.

      So are you saying that only gays are enlightened and those who are Christians are not? Because that is how that reads. And what exactly does enlightenment mean to you? If you think I am not enlightened, then enlighten me with your vast wisdom you have gained from being gay.

      Go back and read all that I have written, I never said one thing against being gay. I would also like to know why is it ok to bash Christians?

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      My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

      And another thing, why why why do you care if someone prays for you? Does it hurt to be prayed for? If it doesn't mean anything to you, then it doesn't. As a Christian, I pray. I have an atheist friend who doesn't mind me praying for him. We don't try to convert each other. We both know we are who we are. We manage to stay good friends.

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      Ok, I apologize for misreading your post.... I was reading your words as though you agreed with christians regarding homosexuality as an illness.

      You question about gays being enlightened.... that was not my meaning. I don't regard any of us as fully "enlightened," although some may be more than others, and this does not depend upon (in my opinion) a person's orientation, or religious leanings.

      Enlightenment for me means a deeper understanding of the reasons for "my" being, "my" doing, "my" nature, "my" opinions, etc. Not using the "me" as something special.... each of us reading this can speak the word "me" and be referring to ourselves.

      I suggest that true prayer will be just this: an in-searching for, what christians refer to as, the holy spirit. Followers of the Buddhist way call it meditation. It's the same thing. Out of this in-searching comes a very wonderful awareness and appreciation of life and all its ramifications.

      So I warm to you if you are praying in this way. However, if any of the prayer makes the presumption that "jonnycomelately" is a sinner, and that the christian must "do something" about jonnycomelately, then I take exception to that.

      It does mean something to me. I can certainly remain friends with any christian, or of any faith/persuasion, but if my independence of thought and life is questioned on the basis of someone else's belief, surely I am entitled to reject it?

      I can apply the same standards to christians in that they (yourself included) will pray if they want to. I can't stop the action, not entitled to, but I can criticize the premise behind it all.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Mymindseye53: Hmmmmm...religion is a touchy topic, my friend!

      I read your comment and i think: That's the problem - religion allows us excuses that we should not be afforded!

      'As you won't judge gays - you won't judge Christians'. One cannot help what they are - and the other goes forth in numbers to maim and destroy, and - you won't judge either?

      Sigh...how convenient..

      It's NOT ok to maim, murder, cheat, etc - if'n you come clean with GOD!

      It's NOT ok to judge others negatively and cause them physical or emotional harm by saying that GOD is on your side and they are sinners!

      Finally - it's NOT alright to say that this is how GOD made these narrow, ignorant, terrified people(the christians, not the gays, blacks, jews, fornicators, unfaithful, disbelievers, etc...) therefore we should accept their actions..

      ??

      I have often felt envy for those lucky folk of 'blind faith' - thinking how lovely it would be to go through life with the conviction that...GOD...walks with you - that GOD will be there to catch you when you fall - welcome you when you die - and forgive you when you treat others like shit!

      But, alas - i don't have that...'gift' of denial - i go through life with my eyes wide open - taking responsibility for my own words and actions! I know i'm not perfect therefore i try my level best to not judge others - and i fail..

      I fail because i cannot help judging the judgers - the haters - the ignorant - and the unempathetic to the plights of others..

      The bullies, in other words..

      I respect all 'true' believers - but - i'm afriad i 'believe' that religion has caused more problems than it's solved- and killed more people than it has saved!

      and i'm truly sorry if that offends - it is not meant as anything but MY truth...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: Lol..i responded to MyMind'seye53 before reading your comment, sir! I hope he's not feeling ganged up on - my comment also was meant only in the spirit of planting a seed..

      a seed of reality...

      xx

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      My Minds Eye53 4 years ago from Tennessee

      Your reality is not my reality, but that is ok. No two people are alike. Yes religion has been at the core of a lot of bad things because people use that as an excuse. The same people would find something else to use as an excuse if religion wasn't handy. You and I are not that different as people. I am a Christian, but I am also a sinner. We are held accountable for our actions and words. You must not have studied any religion to not know the basics. Forgiveness is only given when one is truly sorry. Would you forgive someone that you knew in your heart that their apology was a sham?

      It is not a perfect world. I like the order religion gives my life. I do believe in God. I do not necessarily believe in all organized religions. I choose to grow in my search for truth and knowledge and there are a lot of Christians out there that believe as I do. It is the zealous, fanatics and bad Christians that get all the press. Just like children, they choose to hear only what agrees with them.

      @Jonnycomelately thank you for going back and reading my comments again. You have a right to your opinion and I respect that, just try and not lump all Christians (or religious people) together. Keep your heart open to recognize those who would open their heart to you. Christians are stereotyped just as gays, blacks and any other group of people someone wants to bash or make fun of. Also if a persons only exposure to these groups are through tv and news then sure they are going to have a warped view. Plus a lot of people just will not give up the old ways.

      Last, I cannot speak for all religions I can only speak for myself and I am a project that is forever evolving.

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      I cannot disagree with any of your latest post, My Minds Eye53. We are getting a lot closer, thank you for the clarification.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @MyMindseye53: life is a journey...if we open our minds to learning new things...seeing things through a different perspective - we've won at the game of life!

      Very much enjoyed this intercourse - i do believe i need a smoke...(lol)

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      Don't you mean discourse, Leslie?!!!!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: Lol..i must have already been thinking of my next hub - which is just published and is called..

      'Foreplay: The Ins and the Outs...

      I'm sure you can understand the faux pas..lol

      Please enjoy..

      lol

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      Just a little off course,

      Away from dis course,

      Came about be course,

      You weren't in ta course

      In the usual way.

      Of course!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: Zackly! lol

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      Liz Elias 4 years ago from Oakley, CA

      Very well done. Great poem, and important message.. Sharing! I love the way you handled this topic. So right-on-target.

      Voted up, useful, awesome and..well, sort of funny, but not like humor, more irony.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @DzyMsLizzy: Thanks Ms. Lizzy! too bad there is a target!

      appreciate the 'share'!

      (and...that's sarcasm...it's my middle name..lol)

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      Cynthia B Turner 4 years ago from Georgia

      Well done. There would be so much more peace in the world if bigotry, intolerance and hatred were prayed away. Voted up.

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      thechronicler 4 years ago

      Your poem is awesome! and yes it really does make people think. If (somehow) people started praying away the ignorance and bigotry instead, there would be a whole lot of prayin' going on!

      It makes me smile to know that there are so many people of ALL sexual orientations gunning to end this hatred and intolerance. I'm gay as well, came out at 12, now engaged to my better half of almost 6 years. It is NOT a choice! I was born this way, I'm proud of who I am, and I don't give a rat's a$$ anymore what ignorant bigots may have to say about me.

      Now the question remains: where will we be getting married? The US or Canada? Hopefully Pres. Obama will win, because I have a feeling it will be Canada if he does not! :)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Cyndi: i'll second that, gf - all day long! Peace to you!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Thechronicler: my friend - it won't just be gay folks charging the border - it will also be women!

      I'd add the poor as well - but - they won't be able to afford to...lol..(sigh)..

      i'd add hispanics as well - but - they'll probably be charging a different border..

      hmmmm...blacks, chillins, and old folks better watch their B-hinds, cause - romneys blinking so much - he's clearly lying about everything! Lying or clueless - and i say LYING!

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      Shauna L Bowling 4 years ago from Central Florida

      Great voice, Leslie! God loves us all, regardless of race, creed or sexual preference. Why can't Man?

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      Linda Rogers 4 years ago from Minnesota

      Amen to this brilliant piece of work. It's amazing how ignorant many human beings are about beautiful differences. I will be voting 'NO' on election day and hope other Americans will too. I can't believe they even feel justified putting this amendment on the docket. Loved your repeating line of ''Pray away the Gay." I hit every button my friend because God made us all and he loves us all as we are all in his image. Blessings

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      All I can do from the side-lines is watch and cheer for the most positive, enlightened, humanity-leaning choice. Best wishes to all you American people here in the Hub. Hope you get what you need as a leader.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Bravewarrior: I don't even mind that 'man' isn't capable of loving all 'god's' creatures! What i DO mind is them doing it IN THE NAME OF GOD! Grrrrrr....

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: You see, Jonny? i'm thinkin' that you - like me - LOVE to see folks of all walks of life expressing tolerance - and outrage and intolerance!

      now - we just need a shitload MORE, yes?

      YES!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @MinnetonkaTwin: 'Beautiful differences' - I absolutely love the phraseology, dear! If you don't write a hub with that title - i will!

      Please - feel free to share this! Neither i - nor the gay folk of the world - will mind a bit..

      lolxx

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      Linda Rogers 4 years ago from Minnesota

      I have already shared this great hub and will continue to my friend.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @MinnetonkaTwin: i am flattered - thanks so much!

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      PWalker281 4 years ago

      Powerful words beautifully expressing an important sentiment. Voted up and shared.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @PWalker281: Very nice to 'cyber-meet' you dear! Glad you enjoyed - And shared! The welcome mat's always out...

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      Chuck Bluestein 4 years ago from Morristown, AZ, USA

      They want to pray away the gay and also the theory of evolution. The most dangerous thing is a closed mind.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @ChuckBluestein: Very true, eh?

      yep, forget all the facts that those idiot scientists keep digging up!

      Forget that statements made should have facts to back them up..!

      Just believe what we say and you'll go to heaven...

      O, and don't forget - god needs your money!

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      I am so impressed, continually, refreshed every minute of the day, by all the technical and scientific achievements of man. The sophisticated mathematics, knowledge of the laws of physics, organisational abilities, communication, innovation....need I go on?

      All of this is so wonderful, so inspiring, that it seems so, so, pointless worrying about what people do together in the privacy of their own lives.

      If there was one lesson to be gained from everything apparently taught by that man Jesus, it was to deal with the plank in your own eye, before you worry about the little mote in someone else's.

      In other words, mind your own business, sort that out first, then society will follow in your wake.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      Wow..this hub seems to have gone...'viral'...for i'mkarn23, anyway..lol.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: I have a theory..i'm sure yo'ze surprised..lol..

      i figure folks are more interested in your (our) business - cause they're scared shitless to look into their own..

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      Escobana 4 years ago from Valencia

      Great Hub Imkarn!

      Just came across this one through another good one and all of a sudden I realize America and Holland seem much the same.

      Holland used to be that tolerant little country, free spirits, open to any culture or sex.

      Today gays in Holland get treated worse than ever, anti-gay therapy exists in very religious towns and people suffer badly from an anti-social environment among many cultures and religions.

      I left Holland for many reasons but the main one....intolerance and shit weather.

      Valencia is surprisingly friendly to all gays even though Spain in general is very Catholic and strict in its values. It was here that I found out about the best gay bars and clubs in town!

      So it is possible! Voted up, shared and super!

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      Victoria Lynn 4 years ago from Arkansas, USA

      What a powerful message! I really enjoyed your poem. Thanks to Escobana for sharing it!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Escobana: Hola Escobana - so nice to make your acquaintance! It makes me sick to hear about the anti-gay therapy...etc..in Holland - i'd have never guessed..

      i thought you guys were lightyears AHEAD of us in the 'live and let live' department..

      depressed now..

      but still very happy to meet you...lolxx

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @VictoriaLynn: My thanks to Escobana for sharing it as well - and to you for reading it, dear!

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      Matthew Abuelo 4 years ago from News And Art From The Left

      This is a great piece.

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      Escobana 4 years ago from Valencia

      Hi Imkarn:-)

      Really sorry my comment got you depressed and you were right...

      Holland used to be lightyears AHEAD. With extreme new politicians like Pim Fortuyn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn....

      Holland made a dramatic shift in terms of tolerance. The link on him on Wikipedia says it all and you'll be shocked for knowing he was openly gay. He could have taken an another more peaceful road in politics but sadly enough he didn't.

      Being a far-right populist he was the first politician to get murdered in 2002! People got scared, people looked for someone to blaim and Geert Wilders is our politician who perfectly knows how to feed on the fear of people.

      He needs to watch out every day in Holland to not get murdered himself. He is even worse than Pim Fortuyn but a link to someone so polluted by negativity is not worth it.

      I'm happy we met too! VictoriaLynn is a great writer and you'll like her work as much as I do!

      To get in a different mood? http://escobana.hubpages.com/hub/Sweetheart-What-a...

      You'll laugh at it and find out were quite alike:-) Hugs Escobana!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Maab30: A man of so few words on a writing site... cute!

      Thanks...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Escobana: Hello, my friend! Please never fear - depression is not my thing - i have other better issues- trust me..lol..

      Will be getting to that hub of yours in about 30 minutes - i just finished writing one that is related to my last one...lol..

      You're seeing it here first: https://hubpages.com/living/Whats-in-Your-Drawers-...

      hope you enjoy it so much you can't do anything else BUT share!

      lol

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      Nellieanna Hay 4 years ago from TEXAS

      ImKarn- what a good discussion about an important example of a mindset which proclaims the very opposite of what its founder exemplified and taught followers to express: the love of fellowmen unconditionally; it even counters the intent of founders of this country, meant to be 'for the people and by the people'. None of that suggests omitting some of the people for exercising their rights!

      It's especially meritorious in that it inspired discussion of different perspectives of the matter and an admirable mutual willingness to get past the same-old-same-old stumblingblocks which often sabotage any real meeting-of-minds. I really feel the goodwill here.

      You've stirred up some very positive individual comments with a preponderance of them sincerely in agreement that ugly prejudice and bigotry have no place in civilized human interaction by any standard and are especially out of order among people claiming to be followers of a loving teacher.

      Your poem gets right to the point and defines the problem. I admire how you step right up and call things what they are! It encourages others to examine their stands or their indifference and to speak up, too.

      I can't help but think that seeds of clarity like this really do shed light on erroneous thinking and make a difference. Keep it up! (Not that you need permission or support - you're fully propelled!)

      :-) Hugs.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Nellieanna: MmmmmmmmmmmBOY - i LOVE your comment!

      Clearly you are an intelligent, tolerant, warm-hearted, critical-thinking woman - WOW - i think i love you!

      LOL...

      I may not need permission, Nellie - but - i thank you SO much for your encouragement!

      The welcome mat is out for you at anytime - day or night - and i'll keep the coffee warm!

      Thank you, dear!

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      Nellieanna Hay 4 years ago from TEXAS

      My pleasure if I encouraged you!

      Awgeewillikers, Imkarn: "an intelligent, tolerant, warm-hearted, critical-thinking woman" is a good description of YOU!

      Thank you for the lovely invitation. Nothing wrong with cyber coffee. :-)

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      Eiddwen 4 years ago from Wales

      Powerful my friend and hitting hard with important message !!

      You are a great person and a great writer and I find you 100% inspiring.

      I share and vote you that 'Up up and away!"!!!!

      Take care and have a great weekend.

      Eddy.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Eiddwen: Ya know what Eddy - I'd have ya - if that hansome man ever loses his mind..LOL..

      You are sooo special - and I? - I am special needy...

      We're a match made in 'special' heaven..

      Thanks sooo much for the share, dear!

      Enjoy the weekend - it's snowing with a chance of meatballs here..

      sigh..

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      Neil Sperling 4 years ago from Port Dover Ontario Canada

      I Love your style...... straight on!!!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Neil Sperling: I love a man who doesn't recognize bi - or tri-polar when he sees it!

      Lol..

      i couldn't stay 'on topic' if you paid me..

      altho..the politics are a constant...

      grrrrrrr...(this IS political, eh?)

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      Neil Sperling 4 years ago from Port Dover Ontario Canada

      LOL -- Straight on all topics..... you speak your changing mind... straight on. .... You're cool!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @NeilSperling: lol..'STRAIGHT' ya say? lol - i LOVE puns!

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 4 years ago from Southern Illinois

      I was compelled to come back to tell you that your hubs are without a doubt the most inclusive and i love you for your courage to go against the status quo. LESS POWER TO THE PEOPLS WHO HATE PEOPLE WHO HATE OTHERS BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT. I have a family member who is different, the most beautiful person, i have never known. Thank you. Keep writing. It's not just tongue and ckeek, it's very important. God's speed..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Alwaysexploring: Ruby...it is comments like yours that keep me coming back to the keyboard...(it's also comments like willstarr's - but - that's a whole other...er...extreme..ll)

      You never fail to make me smile - if not tear up, to be honest.. Your support and encouragement means more than you know..thank you!

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      wetnosedogs 4 years ago from Alabama

      This important message keeps on going. Good for you. Glad I read this and all those comments!

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Wetnosedogs: Wow! If you read ALL these comments - you're a bulldog! LOL...(excuse the pun..)

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      freedomspirit 4 years ago

      Hey Leslie , i get it, incest and rape ok but NOT gay! Screw em girl, be who u want..im not but u can be... all i ask is that u continue to look so lovely! Pretty girl you are.

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      Honey Halley 4 years ago from Illinois

      Definitely a message that needs to be brought to everyones attention. I don't know how any human being can sit in judgement of another...or why so many think that somebody elses companion is any business of theirs. Thanks for sharing.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @HoneyBB: I could NOT agree with you more, my friend! How DARE we judge another human being who is hurting no one?

      I am ashamed...and...i adore your conviction and passion!

      Thank you

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      Ken Taub 4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      My ex and I visited Russia in 1991 and it was interesting, and instructive, to see not only St. Petersburg, but our "fiercesome enemy" right before their collapse. The same is going on today with gay people in America (and elsewhere) -- we are witnessing the collapse of the fearful, backward-facing, unkind gay bashers and related haters, as gays and lesbians gain their rightful place in society and at the table of humanity.

      Last night, we threw a party and a lovely younger couple came -- he a lily white Caucasian and his wife a beautiful Nigerian -- and no one blinked (except perhaps at her beauty). And I'm old enough to remember when interracial marriage was illegal in a bunch of states! So... bye-bye old school & ignorant, your days are numbered (thank God). p.s. Leslie & Ruby, I'm still fairly new here. How does one get so many followers? What to do? thanks & happy New Year, Ken

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kenja: Hello, my new hub-bud! I believe you are right - they are beginning to take their 'rightful place' - which is shoulder to shoulder with any other 'human being' on the planet..HEY? ARE there are real human beings left - ya know - the ones with HUMANity? the same ones clutching their bibles that say love thy neighbor and everyone is one under god - are the ones that exclude so readily - hate so viciously - and reject so heartlessly...All one can say is OH GOD!! (lol..sorry)..

      Sounds like a lovely dinner party, Kenja..

      As far as followers? WORK, man! Or - go talk to Billybuc - he's the Master!

      Happy New Yearxx

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      Ken Taub 4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      It was a lovely party (great, artistic, beautiful people) with a post snow hot tub for our closest pals, with the clouds racing pass the moon. If you weren't freezing your tootsies and knocking your knees together up there with the elks and moose, we'd invite you over! You would like (see F'book shots).

      Happy, healthy, hot, cool and adventurous (the good kind) 2013 to you Leslie. xxoo back

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kenja: yeah, yeah..sure, sure...LOL...

      i won't hold my breath on that invite - i'm already BLUE!

      LOLxx

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      Ken Taub 4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      okay, tell us when you're coming to NY....

      (and yes, I know you're one gal who is at once totally blue and red hot)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kenja: I'll send you a copy of my itinerary...haha..

      xx

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      Brett Wood 4 years ago from Atlanta

      Atleast we can agree on this...there is a cure for ignorance, and it ain't prayin'.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Chip1775: Lol...i'm sure we can find common ground in other arenas as well Chip. Soon - you'll come over to the 'light side'...lol..i'm very persuasive - and truth always helps tooooo...

      Glad you enjoyed this pointed spotlight on why as far as i'm concerned - religion can follow guns out the door.

      Please don't get the wrong idea - i'm NOT against guns!!!!! I'm against a lack of responsible controls, and i'm against guns of certain magnitudes and abilities...

      oh - and the ammo, too..

      LOL

      xx

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      Andy Aitch 4 years ago from UK & South East Asian Region

      Nicely put ImKarn23. Now I'm just a simple guy, but I can never get my head around why the issues of a bygone age are still issues in the present day, yet they are nonetheless.

      I mean, can we ever move on from these matters? I think there's still a lot of animal left in mankind, and I say that because of the human savagery that is still alive and well around the world, both in its physical and verbal form.

      Now I'm not a religious man, but I know many folks who do have strong faith (some of whom happen to be Gay). I've often heard them talk about how 'their' God is all loving and all forgiving. If that were the case, then what's with this judgement day malarkey? And why does Hell exist as an alternative destination for so the called immorals, or sinners of this world?

      And while I'm on a rant, if God worshippers are sent to hell for being BAD, does this mean that Devil worshippers are sent to Heaven for being GOOD?

      Hmm! Now there's food for thought!

      Andy Aitch

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      Very healthy skepticism, Andy..... well put.

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      Vladimir Uhri 4 years ago from HubPages, FB

      Actually we are what we believe and we do what we are. The faith in Word of God was broken as original sin in Garden of Eden and has to be restored. If we change unbelief to faith we are saved. It means believing in uncompromised Word of God.

      Believers were already judged two thousand years ago. Unbelievers will be judged according to the Law. Sorry, last group has bad prognosis (© 2009 Vladimir Uhri).

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      Ken Taub 4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      1) idiocy abounds

      2) if you think the world is 6,000- 12,000 years old and the Creator of the universe has a beard... you'll believe anything

      3) everyone matters

      4) Just read this earlier today: You don't have to be an animal to support animal rights, and you don't have to be gay to support gay rights

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      Alan 4 years ago from Tasmania

      "Actually we are what we believe and we do what we are."

      Vladimir, I believe you live in a world of make-believe.

      If you, for one small moment, were to open your eyes and see a much bigger, much more wonderful world, with infinitely more potential than any conjured up god could ever be responsible for, then you might find life a little more exciting.

      If your only point of view is from the position of guilt and "sin," then that will colour life.

      IMHO

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Fiftyish: Hello - and welcome, my friend! Yes, food for thought indeed - IF i believed in heaven OR hell..

      i just don't...can't...and i've tried..lol..

      it's just not there for me - too logical i guess..i'd be lovely to 'have faith' and be part of a community and not be frowned upon - yet, alas - it's just not there..

      (i'm guessing the word poppycock is politically incorrect? LOL..)

      Nice to meet you Andy! Hope you shared everywhere - and then some!

      (lol..sigh...politically incorrect and pushy too????...wow)

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kenja: Yo! I'm in support of anybody - or any group of bodies - who promote peace, OR - don't make war, anyway..lol..

      go to church one day and then think that you're better than someone else the next?

      OMG - the epitome of hypocrisy - how do they not understand..

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @VladimirUhri: Welcome Vladimir - i have a feeling that you're not going to enjoy ANY of my work...I have absolutely no faith in your god - sooooooo...there you have it.

      Sadly - you're an excellent example of why not..

      I do appreciate you taking the time...

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Jonnycomelately: Give him no thought, Jonny..

      HIS judgment has already arrived - a narrow-minded, judgmental life with no ability to think critically - can't be pleasant, me thinks..

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      Ken Taub 4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      No nookie for Vlad the Impaler! No wonder they start sucking blood, rather than face! Me, I kiss the author, gentle dominatrix, swing-both- ways saloon-door-smarty, who combines wit and grace, wisdom and original face... xxoo KT

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Kenja: Whoaaaaaaaa.....

      i don't mind the rep i've earned, and - i can assure you there's no need to embellish it - BUT - i can't add the 'dominatrix' label OR the 'swings-both-ways'(lol..at least not to date..haha)..

      Ah, well - where there's life there's hope, eh?

      You are such a generous man with your kind words - don't think it goes unnoticed or unappreciated!

      Thank you Kenja..

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      Mary Craig 4 years ago from New York

      Jesus said the second greatest commandment is "Love one another as I have loved you." What happened to the Christians? Didn't they read the Bible? (Yes, I am one, but I pay attention.)

      In your unreproducible way you've hit all the nails on the head! Go girl and don't stop. Every underdog is singing your praises. Again, Go Leslie!

      Voted up, useful, and interesting!!!

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      Ken Taub 4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      you are welcome, Leslie.

      you are right on, Tillson. Ken

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      Mary Craig 4 years ago from New York

      Thanks Ken..it's all about love...unconditional love.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Tillsontitan: Hello Mary - so nice to see you!

      Underdog...hmmmm....i've always seemed to come to the underdog's defense - even tho - for most of my life - i WAS the underdog..lol..

      people either go one way or the other...i wouldn't mind coming a bit more towards center and NOT care quite so much...

      Thanks for your on going support, my friend - it is mightily appreciated!

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      Girish puri 4 years ago from NCR , INDIA

      Leslie, this is a very important message for many people, God bless.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Girishpuri: Hello, my friend - and welcome!

      Thank you for your support - hoping you 'share' if you care!

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      Ken Taub 4 years ago from Long Island, NY

      We have faith in you Leslie.... Center yourself! ;' }

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      Ralph Deeds 4 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      The Boy Scouts take a small step into the 21st Century:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/us/boy-scouts-co...

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      Sondra 4 years ago from Neverland

      Equality, tolerance, acceptance, and love. You share such a great message here. I hope everyone gets a glimpse of this awesome poem.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Ardie: Hi, Ardie - Soooooo good to see you!

      I just think 'equality, acceptance, tolerance, and love' would be SO much easier - take sooo much less energy - than hating everyone and everything that might be a little different from us..

      geesh...

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      Deborah Brooks Langford 4 years ago from Brownsville,TX

      Leslie.. what a hub.. we need to all remember God loves us all. NO judging AT ALL!!,, that is none of our business. just like My life is no ones business.. people kill me how they want to judge everyone else. and not remember what they have done in their lives.

      many blessings my friend

      sharing

      Debbie

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      torrilynn 4 years ago

      such a great message in your hub. i feel that everyone should be accepted for who they are on the inside and on the out. voted up.

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      Ralph Deeds 4 years ago from Birmingham, Michigan

      It will be interesting to see whether the Boy Scouts and the churches and other organizations that sponsor Scout troops will bring themselves to stop discriminating against gay youths and scoutmasters. The situation is analogous to don't ask, don't tell in the military. Change is long overdue.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @DeborahBrooks,

      @Torrilynn,

      @RalphDeeds...

      Hello, and welcome friends! So glad you could take some time and stop by!

      Personally - i don't understand people's abject fear of what they may not understand..

      i don't understand how they can judge cruelly while holding 'god' 'on their side'..

      i don't understand how they don't see how grotesque they appear..

      sigh..there's sooo much i don't understand..lol..

      i DO understand that i appreciate your visiting!

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      HLPhoenix 4 years ago

      What perfect timing to re-publish this brilliant poem... loved reading it again...

      What with the Supremes thinking about Gay Marriage and DOMA let's hope against hope that the Far Right Justices vote based on the Constitution and NOT their Religion... 'cause you can't...

      as you say Pray Away The Gay!!! Sharing Again.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @HLPhoenix: Hey - i never even thought of that - thanks!!

      (and thanks for sharing - you know i'm a share-a-holic...lol)

      xx

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Wayno: I know you know from where you speak, my friend - i agree - they speak out of ALL sides of their mouths - whichever benefits them most at the time..

      they keep the poor too harried and exhausted to noticed that they're being fucked from above- and behind..

      and - seemingly - the poor (US) are ok with it..

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      Eiddwen 4 years ago from Wales

      I am sure I have read this before but cannot see a comment by me ;however second time round was brilliant and I vote up and share. Have a wonderful weekend my dear friend. I am back after a hectic week with the grandkids; and so glad to be back reading your gems too..

      Eddy.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Eddy: Hello dear friend - soooo good to see you! I am sure you've read this as well - this was one of the most popular poems i ever wrote!

      Lol..i wish i had grandchildren - or - child - but i imagine it's exhausting as well as exhilarating..

      lucky you!

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      savvydating 4 years ago

      Those who enter (anti) gay therapy do not become heterosexual. As you know, they continue to have same sex attraction. My understanding is that their brains are wired more like the heterosexual female - thus the attraction to men. Therefore, their attraction is natural. A good book to read about being gay and Christian is: Torn, by Justin Lee.

      You've said your peace well.

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      Karen Silverman 4 years ago

      @Savvydating: Hello, and - Welcome! You are sooo right - they end up poorer, obviously STILL gay - and now - they can heap a little more HATRED upon themselves..

      Grrrrrr....

      Thanks for visiting - please - come again!

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