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Is 2012 End Of The World

Updated on March 1, 2011

2012 end of the world. Apparently. The Maya, a long-dead civilization, seemingly predicted that the end of the year 2012 will bring about some cataclysmic changes or events. Great. Should I plot, plan and save for Christmas? Or plot, plan and save myself from a potentially horrible demise?

As the years have passed and more and more individuals have become aware of the date, it would appear that it causes rather more confusion than actual fear of ‘the end of the world’. Which is a good thing. Because I happen to like planet Earth.

I keep all my people on it. As well as my giraffe collection.

2012 End Of The World

2012 end of the world prophecies are largely based upon the Mayan – or Maya. They were a highly civilized Indian people that lived in Central America. On a modern day atlas, they lived in parts of Belize, Honduras, South Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala.

The Maya flourished as a society for many hundreds of years. They began to decline as a nation around 900AD. The reasons for this appear to be open to debate for scholars of ancient civilizations and archaeologists alike. Many blame the fact that climate change affected the Mayas ability to exist, thus causing them to abandon the southern Maya lands.

Others surmise that commerce and trade (with other cultures) caused the decline, coupled with over population and/or foreign invasion. Eventually the Spanish Conquistadors arrived, some several hundred years later, and what remained of the Maya was either destroyed by the Spanish or assimilated into the Spanish culture.

Mayan Civilisation

Mayan Calendar

Not 'the' calendar. 'A' calendar. Let's not be tempted to add to the hype.
Not 'the' calendar. 'A' calendar. Let's not be tempted to add to the hype.

However, prior to the decline of the Mayas, in comparison to other civilizations they were an advanced and sophisticated nation. They were adept architects, sculptors and astronomers. They also devised a complex calendar system. It is one of these that is known as the Long Count Calendar.

And it's this calendar that is the base for the 2012 end of the world prediction.

Understandably, much of what the Maya were about, their dexterity with many skills and abilities that were virtually unknown at the time, only lends to their authenticity - with regard to 2012 predictions. For those that like to authenticate ...

Many so-called experts have jumped upon their highly civilised ways as being some kind of foundation on which to base modern day portents of doom. The Maya were organised, their society educated and knowledgeable. Hey - the Maya were sophisticated - and that indicates authenticity ... right?

2012 End Of The World Predictions

Remember this anyone? The Millennium Bug. I just had a really great night and watched a fabulous wirework display.
Remember this anyone? The Millennium Bug. I just had a really great night and watched a fabulous wirework display.

Regarding 2012 end of the world predictions, I’m not purposely trying to be disparaging. That’s incidental. And partly based upon the fact that I’ve (as far as I’m aware) lived through two similar doomsday prophecies: 1984 and Y2K. I remember the half panic that was Y2K , as well as many a discussion as to what the Millennium would bring.

Evidently, Y2K did bring something. Another year. And a new one at that.

And while the world was going delirious with fear/panic/last minute shopping for Christmas, I can remember what I was thinking at the time:

'I wonder if all this silliness will lower the January sales even more than usual. Hope so'.

Having said that, a lot more is written, discussed, hyped up and hyped down where the 2012 end of the world prophecy is concerned. It’s almost become a science to one or two folk and has certainly generated quite a few books, not to mention the latest disaster blockbuster, 2012 - and probably a few quid in the process.

If you don't believe me, check out Amazon. Type '2012' into the search bar. Click: enter. And don't be surprised when page after page of related books appear. Trust me on this: I got a bit bored by page seven.

2012| Jose Arguelles


The Mayan Factor: Path Beyond Technology

Arguelles book.
Arguelles book.

Jose Arguelles

Possibly the most well know name associated with the Maya and the 2012 end of the world prophecy is Jose Arguelles. A respected scholar and holder of a PhD in art history and aesthetics, he wrote a book, titled The Mayan Factor: Path Beyond Technology.

The book details the complexities regarding the Mayan method of measuring time and the author goes on to offer his views as to the meaning of the calendar system.

For some, the book appears to have created [for them] a spiritual awakening. Others found the content to be original and interesting, some even finding the concepts rather fascinating - but no more than that.

However, it’s neither fair nor right to blame Jose Aguelles for the 2012 end of the world prophecy. I’m of the opinion that you really can’t blame the messenger. And I base my opinion on two factors:

  1. Someone, somewhere, will always be the first to discover something
  2. When they share said discovery, we all have the ability to employ our own intelligence as to whether we choose to believe what the messenger imparts.


2012 End Of The World And Nostradamus

2012 Nostradamus

Nostradamus. Famous alchemist from the 16th century. I noticed he'd been hauled in 2012. Probably for good measure.
Nostradamus. Famous alchemist from the 16th century. I noticed he'd been hauled in 2012. Probably for good measure.

Moving on from Arguelles, it’s worthy to note that the 2012 end of the world predictions and good old Nostradamus have been thrown into the mix together. Hardly surprising. Nostradamus is probably the most famous harbinger of doom since … well … the Four Horsemen Of The Apocolypse. Or the Book Of Revelation. Or .. or … you get the picture.

Now from what I remember of Nostradamus, he allegedly pegged the end of the world as being somewhere in the fourth millennium AD. Admittedly, some of the interpretations of his mystical scribing have been frighteningly close to certain historical events but somehow he’s been dragged into the 2012 predictions. Spooky huh?

As with anything, long dead scribes and (obviously) long gone cultures are open to interpretation. Again, I’m not saying that the 2012 end of the world prophecy is wrong, it’s just that I like to err on the side of reality.

Mayan Civilization. They Weren't All About Sophistication.


Mayan Civilization

Not everything about the Maya could be classed as civilized. Some of it was pretty awful.
Not everything about the Maya could be classed as civilized. Some of it was pretty awful.

Mayan Architecture

It was incredible, for the time.
It was incredible, for the time.

For one thing, as knowledgeable, adept and sophisticated as the Maya actually were, they also believed in some very weird cosmic goings on. For example, they believed that human sacrifices and suicides were noble deaths (they were actually quite nasty, in truth and probably extremely ghastly for the victims) and that the Sun was ruled by a God that required the aforementioned sacrifices as a form of appeasement.

Further, they were not noted for being prophetic about events in general. They certainly didn’t see or predict the Spanish happening along and pretty much destroying their civilization – and if they had … well … it’s possible they’d still be around. So were the Maya really trying to tell the future dwellers of the world the following: “you’re shit outta luck folks. 2012 end of the world! Duck and cover”?

Personally I doubt they were trying to tell us anything. All they did was construct a method of measuring time. It’s just that the instructions got lost and some individuals have tried to work out how the Maya used their system. Which has somehow (or ultimately?) brought us firmly to the door of doom. Apparently.

Making Money From 2012 End Of The World Predictions


2012 Predictions

Generate a lot of dollars. Like this article. Kidding ...
Generate a lot of dollars. Like this article. Kidding ...

And let’s factor in the financial gain from prophecies that usually end in (our) mass destruction. 2012 end of world stuff makes money. Whenever someone starts creating anything, based upon a negative foundation – you can bet your bottom dollar it’s going to generate a few bucks.

Swine flu anyone? And what about the global financial crisis? You and I may be short of readies but I’ll bet my hat that those trying to offer help, advice or just simply heap more worry onto our already straining wallets aren’t quite so short.

Which takes us back to this articles focal point: We are doomed. Allegedly.

Modern Culture And 2012 End Of The World Predictions

Pessimistic, optimistic. Glass half full or halfway to doomsday?
Pessimistic, optimistic. Glass half full or halfway to doomsday?

Once again, moving along – let’s look at the 2012 end of the world predictions and how they work in modern culture. Particularly western culture. Of which you, I and most others that may read this will probably be a part of.

We are a pessimistic bunch. Generally. We tend to buy into negativity likes it’s on sale at Wal-Mart. If it’s doom – buy it. Gloom – buy it. Hey – the Four Horsemen of The Apocolpyse, buy one get one free … woooo buy it!

Asinine, I know. But pretty near the mark for the human race as a whole. What about the good bits? When do you remember thinking ‘Hey, what a great world we live in!’?

Because the fact is – we do. It’s just that we tend to err on the side of horrible a little too much.

2012 End Of The World - The End

December 21 2012 On Fox News

2012 End Of The World

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To conclude my happy 2012 end of the world journey, wading through doom and gloom (and I was rather content. No fear here), I’m of the opinion that you can do one of two things:

  1. Consider yourself on a final countdown to the apocalypse and do all the necessary apocalyptic panicking/ shaking/ worrying. I can’t say as I’d advise you to try and avoid it because if it is true, no amount of scurrying franticly for a foothold anywhere on the globe is going to prevent you (or I) from being knocked clean into the next life. Or oblivion, depending upon your beliefs.
  2. Consider the probability that someone somewhere miscalculated something. And New Years Eve 2012 is going to include a lot of alcohol, tomfoolery and poor memories the morning after the night before.

For my part, I’m still living with a view to reaching my 44th birthday. All being well. And in case you’re really worried, go and read up on How To Survive The End Of The World. Written by my good self, with tongue firmly in cheek, dreamt up whilst running atop a hill in a lightening storm, shaking my fist at the skies and shouting ‘all Gods are bastards’.

I got very wet. And the Gods punished me with a very nasty cold.

NB - I wanted to add the following: I've known about 2012 a good while. I also know that a lot of kids are fairly worried. More so as I've been looking into it all again, prior to writing this hub. If you are reading this and you're a worried teen/ schoolkid, try not to be. If you're genuinely worried - talk to someone you can trust to give you some comfort. Don't let it spoil the fun that you should be having!

2012 End Of The World - Edit

I'm finishing off an accompanying hub to this one, about the Mayan calendar. I came across the quote below:

The Mayan Calendar is above all a prophetic calendar that may help us understand the past and foresee the future”

The above is a direct quote from a website that’s based around the Mayan calendar and its predictions. I haven’t read anything as misleading as that (honest) since the last time I read a ‘buy one get one free’ offer. The calendar is not prophetic. It was devised to measure time.

I'm not saying that the Mayan shamans didn't try to foresee coming seasons, what their Gods were up to and what they should do to keep their Gods happy. But it's basic priniciple was that of a calendar.


Noun - calendar - a system of timekeeping that defines the beginning and length and divisions of the year or years.

Granted the Maya used theirs for many different reasons. But also remember; they knew less than we now do - in many ways. If the Mayan calendar really was as prophhetic as it's claimed to be then be assured that someone, somewhere is working out how to use it in order to predict things of lesser importance. For things that will make their lives better. Like who's going to win this years Super Bowl.

That kind of thing.


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      9 years ago

      new world order. thats what we are heading for, starting with world war 3 purposfully started by all large nations so we become depedent on our goverments and tricked into beleiving that a joint agreement will bring world peace and end poverty. the problem is what will we be able to do with one rule one law?

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      jennifer stewart 

      9 years ago

      i don't believe in god there fore i don't believe that this world will end how ever i do believe that in case of something like a mere natural disaster or say something like a snow storm tornado or even hurricane earth quake yes you should prepare for that natural disasters occur every where around the world and no i'm not agnostic or atheist see ya i just don't believe that if we even have a god why would he create us and leave us here too suffer bye

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      9 years ago

      I like this..i agree alot of us kids get scared im 18 i worry mostly because i think of my family especially my baby & my niece :/

      i honestly hope nothing happens, but i read stuff on NASA i will listen to NASA they know more about the planets than us if you notice its mostly religious people who start it well thats what i believe lol..

      Q: What is the origin of the prediction that the world will end in 2012?

      A: The story started with claims that Nibiru, a supposed planet discovered by the Sumerians, is headed toward Earth. This catastrophe was initially predicted for May 2003, but when nothing happened the doomsday date was moved forward to December 2012. Then these two fables were linked to the end of one of the cycles in the ancient Mayan calendar at the winter solstice in 2012 -- hence the predicted doomsday date of December 21, 2012.

      Q: Does the Mayan calendar end in December 2012?

      A: Just as the calendar you have on your kitchen wall does not cease to exist after December 31, the Mayan calendar does not cease to exist on December 21, 2012. This date is the end of the Mayan long-count period but then -- just as your calendar begins again on January 1 -- another long-count period begins for the Mayan calendar.

      Q: Could phenomena occur where planets align in a way that impacts Earth?

      A: There are no planetary alignments in the next few decades, Earth will not cross the galactic plane in 2012, and even if these alignments were to occur, their effects on the Earth would be negligible. Each December the Earth and sun align with the approximate center of the Milky Way Galaxy but that is an annual event of no consequence.

      Q: What is the polar shift theory? Is it true that the earth’s crust does a 180-degree rotation around the core in a matter of days if not hours?

      A: A reversal in the rotation of Earth is impossible. There are slow movements of the continents (for example Antarctica was near the equator hundreds of millions of years ago), but that is irrelevant to claims of reversal of the rotational poles. However, many of the disaster websites pull a bait-and-switch to fool people. They claim a relationship between the rotation and the magnetic polarity of Earth, which does change irregularly, with a magnetic reversal taking place every 400,000 years on average. As far as we know, such a magnetic reversal doesn’t cause any harm to life on Earth. A magnetic reversal is very unlikely to happen in the next few millennia, anyway.

      Q: Is there a danger from giant solar storms predicted for 2012?

      A: Solar activity has a regular cycle, with peaks approximately every 11 years. Near these activity peaks, solar flares can cause some interruption of satellite communications, although engineers are learning how to build electronics that are protected against most solar storms. But there is no special risk associated with 2012. The next solar maximum will occur in the 2012-2014 time frame and is predicted to be an average solar cycle, no different than previous cycles throughout history.

      and also i asked about the earth shifting its called Geomagnetic Reversal 2 answers i got It is when the poles reverse themselves - magnetic north becomes magnetic south. This has happened several times in history. No, it is not expected to happen in 2012, nor is there a likelihood that it will happen in our lifetime. If it were to, it would not kill people. It would confuse many animals who use the earths magnetism as directional finders and it would through off electronics, but it would not kill people or animals.

      "Reversals happen on average only about once every 250,000 years, and they take hundreds if not thousands of years to complete.

      Even the weakening (of the magnetic field) currently under way may be a false alarm. The field often gets very weak, then bounces back, never having flipped. As Ron Merrill, a magnetic-field specialist at the University of Washington remarked when asked whether we're in for a reversal: "Ask me in 10,000 years, I'll give you a better answer." So hang on to your compass. For the foreseeable future, it should work as advertised."—Peter Tyson, NOVA

      It's not expected to happen for a long time. Clearly, not on December 21, 2012. When geomagnetic reversal happens, it takes a long time to switch. The geomagnetic field has reversed a number of times in the geological past.

      If the geomagnetic field gets too low (as it would during a reversal) then the protection we get from the geomagnetic field would diminish for a while.

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      9 years ago

      Nice hub frogdropping ... I'm sure this hub will become quite active soon! I appreciate the great deal or research that went into writing this.

      For a fun read about 2012 and a message of hope for the coming age, check out my new novel, "The Rapture of Darkness," available on It includes references to the Prophecies of St. Malachy, private Catholic revelations, and a brief resource guide detailing the many 2012 predictions. Author website is ... I've just become active on HubPages and enjoy the cameraderie among writers. Again, nice job! Jack

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      9 years ago

      EK - not really. I know the long count calendar was in fact (more or less) stolen as an idea from the Aztecs, and that the image is an Aztec sun stone - there aren't many usable images of the long count calendar to hand. And it was just that - an illustration. I did point out that the Maya were in decline, long before the Spanish happened along. I'm also aware the there are still Mayan people living to this day - direct descendants of those I write of.

      The point of the article was less about point-scoring so much as it was written for those that are worried and/or disturbed by the doom-bringers. Specifically children. That's who it was written for. And, judging on the amount of youngsters that have contacted me since it was published, I believe that I have achieved what I set out to do.

      How many people have you made feel better by way of your fault-finding and historical nit-picking? Thanks all the same. I never needed a history lesson.

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      9 years ago

      Plagued with inaccuracies and errors, at least regarding the Mayans. The most obvious one is your illustration which is of the AZTEC Sun Stone. A calendar of sorts, not really one from a different culture at a different time. The Mayans were not wiped out by the Spanish conquistadors, their civilization had been declining for hundreds of years (since 900 AD) and most of their major cities abandoned before the XVI century when the Spanish arrived. It is worth noting that Mayans exist today. A pretty sizable population that extends from southern Mexico to Honduras with their own languages (more than 20 different Maya languages) and their own culture.

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      Rose Maria Rica D. Fuentes 

      9 years ago from Heaven

      The Bible says that no one knows the coming of the end, not even the angels and saints, but God alone knows when He is going to vanish the earth. We might think it's 2012 or 2020.But we are not sure of ANY thing regarding the finale.because this world can be ended today.

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      Right or Wrong 

      9 years ago

      2012 is just like any other natural disaster in history, unpredicted (unpredictable) and unavoidable.

      What I mean by that is we still have no idea what the construct was for their scientific calculations. All we can see is the solar storms, hundreds (possibly thousands) dying in Tsunamis and natural disasters around the world.

      We don't know anything beyond that. Still, I suppose it legitimately raises concerns. Do I know if the world will end for sure in 2012? No. What I do know is the natural disasters of this Earth will reach their peak during that year, and its up to each of us to manage our own consciousness. If we honest to god don't want to 'go', only we can make that choice. The ones who do wish to go can consider it granted come 2012.

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      9 years ago

      The 2012 start "new of the world"

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      10 years ago from Oxford/Transylvania

      The Earth is spinning spinning fast,

      The resonance changes in all things at last

      Vibrations intensify as frequencies retune,

      In flux we are moulded yet breaking and hewn,

      Others drown in the tension,

      Despair engulfs those scared to metion,

      Blood runs red,

      To the caves we've fled,

      Darkness hides the light as we prepare to fight,

      Soldiers born Indigo children DNA marked spirals ready,

      To the Goddess sworn as screaming this world is torn,

      asunder from under,

      Then from her womb reborn into thunder,

      Those with eyes to see have ears to hear,

      For begining comes the end is near



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      Rev. Teddy C. Ryan III 

      10 years ago from a life in sin saved by the Lord's grace - we are blessed with the ministry in Florida & Georgia

      Nicely written and you brought out some good points about being wary of predictions to this effect and the misinterpretation of prophecy. I recently wrote a hub addressing the same from a biblical perspective as well.

      One point was a recent article I quoted: - whereas even the Mayans themselves declare that 2012 is NOT the end of the world but simply put, it is merely the beginning of a "new age" for the world based on their calendar system. So, as you have mentioned - Why is everyone claiming it to be otherwise? - In God's peace... Rev.Ted

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      10 years ago


      A very useful hub indeed. Thanks for sharing. I've just posted an article that I wrote a while back on hubpages and linked your hub to it at the bottom.

      Let me know if this is alright with you.

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      10 years ago

      just believe that everything will over...does something incredible before everythings end...

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      The Ski 

      10 years ago from South Africa, Cape Town

      This is a great hub. Please check out some of my hubs for more info on this.

      There is also the story of the communicator which is what could be happening.


      The Ski

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      James W. Nelson 

      10 years ago from eastern North Dakota

      Great hub, Frogdropping. Yes, I voted. I highly doubt the world is going to come to an end but I'm going to wait and see. Much more interesting to me is your mention of "1984". I read the book and kept believing the hero and heroine were going to make it right up to the end, and have never been so disappointed in my life. The other thing about 1984: As I see it, with our cell phone technology, being able to see the person we're talking to...well, to make a long story short, if the Illuminati (or somebody else "bad") takes over...well, just wondering what "you" think. Maybe you'll write a hub about that. Just in case you do, I think I will follow you.

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      10 years ago

      Im sorry but it is all a load of BS. There have been so many end of the world prophecys that have not come to pass. I think people today get to swept up in Documentaries and religon that are all doom and gloom. People should chill out and stop all the fussing?

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      10 years ago

      The reason behind the Mayan calendarending isn't because of the end of the world! It's just the end of the world as we know it. The Mayans didn't know what would happen with a complete alignment of the planets! Apparently neither does this jackass. Whether or not you like it this world will change on that day, but I do agree that there is no need for panic. If your ment to hang, you'll never drown. It may not be THE END, but don't be stupid. There will be a change. The tiny moon and earth and sun line up from time to time and it effects changes in this planet. If you don't think ALL the planets aligning is going to have some effects. Then those brutal & barbaric Mayans already had you beaten in brains! To ignore this would be almost as fatal as panicking over it! Make a plan. It doesn't have to be an extensive plan, but to not have one at all would be ignorant!

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      JW Farquhar 

      10 years ago

      The reality is the date 12/21/2012 is approaching.

      The numbers in the Bible predict this date many times, but the most glaring numbers appear in the Creation, when evening, morning and day are counted to be 666, just as God instructs. The 7th day counted is 777 for evening morning and day.

      The date 12/21/2012 is revealed as follows:

      Two milleniums of 2000 years from the conception of Christ plus 6 yrs + 6 yrs + 6 mos + 6 mos plus 7 days + 7 days + 7 days = Dec 21, 2012.

      Or 2 mileniums + 6666 + 777. Note that Day (God) is 6666.

      Anyway the countdown can be seen on

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      10 years ago

      How would they know what exact day and i figure the only apocalypic activity thats going to be happening is kids going crazy and their parents whooping them,but like you said "if it happens,it happens we cant stop it"

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      11 years ago

      Very Interesting. I love how everyone has a different view and or comment. Looks like we may only have just over 2 years left!

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      11 years ago

      Great hub! I am not an expert on things Mayan. However, I do have my own theory. The poor Mayan that was assigned the task by the priests to create the calendar out of clay or stone, was working in the jungle heat and perhaps drinking a bit. He was unhappy about having to do this work and decided to mess with the people of 2012 by making them think the world will end. At least this is what I hope and when the date arrives, it will be just another end-of-time prediction.

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      11 years ago

      The Maya doesn't predicted the end of they own civilization long before 2012.

      So why in the world we should believe them about that.

      Even if this is not an other urban legend (because as far as i know the Maya calendar ends at 2012 and just that) this is not mean that the world is ending to.

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      11 years ago

      »A hummingbird's fist-sized heart«

      (by Nurija Mehovic)

      The body screams for peace, and soul is looking for rest.

      Peace means body wants to rest, but,

      So many things is going on in this world,

      And is so hard for the body to relax.

      But, how the soul will find peace when we leave my green and white eye.

      I know we will find peace there,

      Because there will be only one God judgment, Honesty and love, but how we going to find peace here,

      On the everything-crushed Earth? So many people have this feeling of a God-like power,

      And make a buzzard living on earth. I don't know if the earth sees it, but I do see it.

      Can everybody in this earth just live

      like a hummingbird with its powerful and fist-sized heart,

      And not hurt anybody

      So many people think they are spotless, but they are not,

      Because they have spots on their brain:

      They are cobras,

      they are jaguars, hunting,

      So many innocent people and children. Why are we here on this Earth? To make this Earth lighter, To help others

      Any kind of problem to make a solution without pain

      How the world would look

      like without no Strawberry trees, no Narcissus, no beautiful deep oceans, no grass, no anther,

      And also so many other things?

      Do you think this looks scary,

      When you close your eyes? Do you think we will exist?

      That's the way I am feeling it's going to be.

      Nobody knows nobody.

      Can you believe a mother to hurt her own child?

      Can you think of anything worse to happen on this earth. Did you think she is a mother?

      She is an ugly wolf, God make it, and nobody can see it! That's the scary part. We cannot see inside people

      We live under billions of stars,Under one sun one moon, On one earth, We drink the same water, we breathe the same air,

      And I know one thing :

      We die the same way. Let the beach flow with the waves how is it smooth without ending ,

      The perfect acoustics of underwater deafness,

      I would just try to see the light and

      Take one breathe of air,

      To reach something to say with out ending.

    • frogdropping profile imageAUTHOR


      11 years ago

      John thankyou for reading - I think from your comment you understand the message I was attempting to convey ... it's all about the $'s ;)

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      11 years ago from BizarroLand

      I personally don't take anything to heart from a civilization that hacked the heads off of people to appease their "Gods". That's almost like taking hitler's advice. Also the calendar doesn't end on 2012, it just starts it's cycle over. The real hype is from people trying to sell books and movies. People are desperate for ideas these days. Just look at everything being remade nowadays and you can plainly see that it's no wonder they would take something as simple as a calendar and turn it into something to make people afraid... And to get them to buy their jargon. Nice read though. Well written.

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      Marie Ryan 

      11 years ago from Andalusia, Spain

      Hi Frogdropping, If I may comment on what Tina Irene said (9 months ago!: "We DON'T know what will happen around 12/21/2012 when our Sun and our Solar System line up with the galactic center of our Milky Way. What may cause concern is: there is an opening between two constellations and no heavenly bodies will be between our Sun and the center of the Milky Way around 12/21/2012. This means the gravitation pull from the galactic center will be greater."

      This comment is based on fact, ie. we KNOW that on or around this date the 'gravitational pull' will be greater, but we don't know as yet how this will affect the earth! is this just a huge coincidence with calculations from the MAYAN calendar?

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      11 years ago from Subang, Malaysia

      Great hub!

      In many ways, I agree with what you have said regarding the end of the world prophecy. I'm looking forward to celebrate my many coming birthdays... and London Olympics definitely would not be the last!

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      11 years ago

      look close to the pitcures piece together who he means,it might be someone,or somepeople,that have been hushed up or k,,,,d the queen?,pope,a king,orkings,,,,,,,,,, who is st fransis now?ect...the profits of purity will sit next to the creator,do and be of good karma and you will see,R.L.WINDSOR.

    • frogdropping profile imageAUTHOR


      11 years ago

      Sage - first I'm sorry to hear of your difficult past. I cannot imagine what you went through.

      Second - thankyou very much, it's lovely to hear such positive feedback :):)

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      Sage Williams 

      11 years ago

      Just read your interview with lyrics and just had to check out one of your hubs. You did a great job on this one. Very informative and well written. It's refreshing to hear all of the opinions on this.

      My mother was into a cult once and I was her main target or recipient shall I say. Somehow I became the devil child. Anyways, you can't imagine all the crap that I received about the end of the world. Being much younger it was really hard to decipher your own opinion when this was coming from your mother. Somehow, someway, I got through it and managed to have my own opinions.

      So when I say refreshing! I mean REFRESHING!

      Awesome read, I am so looking forward to reading more,


    • frogdropping profile imageAUTHOR


      11 years ago

      Will - I reckong there's room for another 'end of the world' survival book. Seriously, people buy into it and take it seriously. I keep thinking of writing a very silly one, satirical, full of rubbish. A lot like most if not all the the end of times predictions :)

      As for dying, I agree. Not something I can get my head round but I know I can't avoid it - no one gets out alive huh?

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      Will Apse 

      11 years ago

      I think people like the end of the world scenarios as a round about way of dealing with the inevitability of their own mortality.

      It sort of takes people close to the genuine horror and fear of their death but offers the comfort of dying in company.

      Also of course, that nightmare of the world continuing after our deaths without us and almost unaffected by our disappearance is dealt with at the same time.

      There is a certainly a lot of money going to be made, as you pointed out. I will look into it, too!

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      11 years ago from canada

      Really well written hub. I remember YK2 like it was yesterday. Admittedly, I took out some extra cash from the bank machine on Dec 31st. I remember my friends buying generators (we live downtown in a major city) and stockpiling food and bottled water. In retrospect it was all silliness.

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      11 years ago

      there may be too many dooms day prophecies but the end is very near we have to pretend soon

      the factors u mentioned are some

      but according to india espessialy andhra a famous fartunist virabrammam written that the end will be in 2012

      and three kings from east are travelling to end the world

      the three dark kings

      and veerabrammam will have his re birth to a 12 years girl

      to end the kalyug

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      11 years ago from Los Angeles

      2012 is a commercial money making scenario for film and book publishing industries. that's it. we'll meet in 2013 in hubpages :))

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      11 years ago from Houston, TX (Proud Texan)

      very informative, thanks for sharing.

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      Snake Eyes 

      11 years ago from Canada

      Great hub I remember when it was Y2K and how the army was prepairing to deal with chaos and the threat of nuclear war. I hope 2012 is not going to be the end of everything but at the saem time im not taking any chances either

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      11 years ago

      good work are simply just amazing!!!!

      check out http://hubpages.con/hub/nostradmus to get details on nostradamus and his predictions

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      Betty Bolden 

      11 years ago from Bucyrus Ohio

      Jesus says no man knows when the world will end or when he returns..this means no man knows when he will come back.

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      11 years ago

      even i heard lot abt 2012,but who knows except god...its better to b good and not to make that atleast we wil b in in god and make a wish.

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      11 years ago

      I woke up this morning and got myself a beer, the future's uncertian and the end is always near, let it roll, baby roll...

      The DOORS...

      awesome hub :)

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      11 years ago


      End of the world. A planet - Nibiru. Evacuation till December 21 2012. Your last opportunity of rescue. Reception of the complete information - send the message with a theme: Planet X Nibiru.

      Confidentially important.

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      11 years ago

      Liam thankyou for pointing that out. So much nonsense revolves around the whole shebang. Like our calendars, the cycle ends, a new one begins. It's just that we generally stick with 12 month ones or at best the five year diary type. Simple huh?!

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      11 years ago from Los Angeles, Calilfornia

      What many fail to take into account is that the Mayan prophets believed that everything was cyclical. Including what comes after 2012. For them, after that date, everything began again.

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      11 years ago

      brittney - thankyou very much. As I said in the hub, I prefer to err on the side of reality :)

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      11 years ago

      i completely agree with you and the supporting facts or educated guess that you gave on the mayans because there is a pretty good point if the mayans where sooo good at predicting such events how come they couldn't predict there own faith and in the course change it this is mainly based off there gods and there beliefs and if they died out then wouldn't there clues language and in a way culture would have died out with you said everyone made such a big panic about year 2000 but look at this were still around its a miracle right wrong kinda faith and misguiding facts that seem to always corrupt the naïve people and readers mind..but finally a person with the common sense that was given to them thank you!!!!!!!

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      Mike Lickteig 

      11 years ago from Lawrence KS USA

      Nice hub and, my goodness, you certainly elicited a great many responses. The Doomsday scenario is a popular one, and I am more apt to believe in the meteor (or whatever it was) that's supposed to hit the planet in 2027 or something like that. Remember reading in the newspaper that scientists predicted a meteor hitting earth, and then a day or two later they said, "Nah, we were wrong?" Let's not count that one out, folks. What would life be without something to look forward to?

      Again, great hub! Thanks!

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      eye of the storm 

      11 years ago

      Good Hub! Isn't the word apocolypse derived from the word apostle? I think that the apocolypse is where time overlaps itself creating a great confusion in the making of calenders and other time keeping devices. Maybe it'll be a great time of change and confusion in the beginning.(if you believe in all of this.) This overlaping will be a way of traveling from one dimension to another. Like a doorway opening to another world or time. In the parables of the New Testiment Jesus explains that there will be a narrow door and to enter the kingdom of heaven you must enter though that narrow door. Maybe this is the doorway that he's speaking about. And of course the book of revelations! It makes sense that the ways of this world are changed in such a great way. Humanity would have a different understanding of itself, and with that there would be great change. For good or bad, i'm not sure, but I fear God! I just know that all of us will have to make some difficult choices and maybe face some difficult challenges. May be that's what the Gospel was designed for.

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      11 years ago

      Thanks for your opinion Richard. It's good to see that in general most are positive about 2012. I genuinely refuse to buy into the hype. What will be will be. Thankyou :)

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      Richard Kent Matthews 

      11 years ago from Portland, OR Metro Area

      Here's the truth: the world, the galaxy, the universe will never end. They will change, to be sure, but since energy is neither created nor destroyed, that which makes up all of matter, space, and life itself will always remain in existence. Just new and different forms. That's what creation actually is. Ongoing, eternal, forever. Wondrous, mysterious, and not captured by any religion, belief system, or person. Of course, I could be wrong...

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      11 years ago from Louisiana, The Magnolia and Pelican State.

      informative and interestin. thank you

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      Laura Patten 

      11 years ago from Ireland

      I don't think the world will end in 2012, its just a good marketing tool for people who have made money talking about something that more then likely will not happen. But good read all the same

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      12 years ago

      Phil - thanks for that, I'm going to take a look at the site. And thankyou :)

      kimberlee - go write something. You must have an interest, gained knowledge in something, maybe your profession? Need any help, post in the forum. Now write your first hub :) And thankyou very much.

      O.Zechariah - you're quite right, no one knows.

      Francine - lol you're perfectly right ... profits of doom!

      sumon - thankyou :)

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      Francine Smith 

      12 years ago

      You know, it's not the prophet of doom we should worry about, it's the profits from doom. You know, the quite sain charlatan who has "answers" for the paranoid in his book. At least after the end of days, well be able to burn his book to keep warm :-)

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      12 years ago

      No one knows when the end of the world will come. Even when Jesus(the SON OF GOD) was on earth, he said he didn't know(matthew 24 36), so about THE DAY AND TIME THIS WORLD WOULD COME TO AN END......IS A COMPLETE MYSTERY.

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      12 years ago from Iowa

      My wife and I were at the Field Museum in Chicago last in August. They have a new exhibit of the Americas including the Mayan people group. They have a full size replica of the "calendar" there but claim it isn't really a calendar. After reading this I wish I could remember the words on the plaque. It did mention that it was a common and far reaching misconception though. What do you know, The Field Museum has it online. ( ) Enter the site and it is on the third page of the walk-through. Oh, very interesting hub!! I enjoyed it.

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      Suzie Parker 

      12 years ago

      As said before, I think you are an excellent writer. (And No, I'm not flirting with you :)) As for the 2012 thing, I think it is a great excuse to party harder that new year's eve. Keep up the good work, Froggie!

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      Dale Mazurek 

      12 years ago from Canada

      A fascinating hub. Since I started my blog i am readin a whole lot different as of late. this was an incredible hub and I am glad to say it made it into my blog today.

      You can find the link by going to my profile.

      Great job frogdropping

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      12 years ago

      Rik - you know I may have actually added the years up wrong. I may be older. And I'll be 40 something then - not now :)

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      Rik Ravado 

      12 years ago from England

      Great Hub frogdropping - by the way, at 44 you will probably be the oldest frog ever!

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      12 years ago

      Thanks guys, for reading and your feedback. It's much appreciated, that's for sure. And yes - wait and see is about all we can do. I'm carrying on as normal :)

    • frogdropping profile imageAUTHOR


      12 years ago

      Thanks guys, for reading and your feedback. It's much appreciated, that's for sure. And yes - wait and see is about all we can do. I'm carrying on as normal :)

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      12 years ago

      You have really done some research. Lots of interesting information.

      I for one do not necessarily agree that the world is going to end, but I am convinced something is going to happen. Whatever it is, I look at it as being something good for the people of the Planet Earth. New hope.

      If there is a Supreme Being and Laws that govern the Universe, which I am certain there are, I am guessing what we do or do not believe about this event really doesn't matter. It's kind of like trying to change what the sun will do in the morning. Whether you believe it is going to rise or not, its going to make an appearance. Some things do not require our belief for their reality. It is probably a good thing we can't believe everything the way we want it to be, or believe what we don't want away. There are just too many inconsistencies.

      Anyway, I was impressed with your research, and your article was well written. As for the rest, I guess we will have to wait to see just what happens.

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      atif khan 

      12 years ago

      nice infact i watched similar show on history channel th precise date is 21-12-2012 twocompletely different civilization one from mexico area th other chinese having there calander en exactly the same date nad other oracles as well scientifically there is proof that the earth will be in posititon it comes into only once in 250,000yrs on that date i cant remember but it usually comes in line with some thing so there some polar shift or so that could be catasrophic

    • frogdropping profile imageAUTHOR


      12 years ago

      Jo - I also prefer to focus on the little details. There's no point getting into worrying about 'ifs and ands'. This world of ours will end in due time. All planets have a sell by date, from what I understand, as do species. I think it's more likely that we'll die out as a species before the world draws to its natural end. And even that will probably be because we've blown ourselves up ;)

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      Jo Woodward 

      12 years ago from Staffordshire, England

      Great Hub. Ever since I was a child people have been looking for reasons and/or signs that the world is about to end. These have included The Six Days War and the Invasion of Afghanistan by the Russians in the 1980s both of which were precursors to the start of World War 3 when we were all going ot be wiped out by Nuclear Bombs. The continuing activity under Mount Baker and the eruption of Mount St. Helens which were going to set off the San Andreas Fault and cause California to fall into the sea causing more earthquakes, tsunamis and general destablisation of Earth's tectonic plates. The list goes on and on and on and on and nuaseum. The one that finally shredded my patience was in 1985 when the world was going to be torn apart by the gravitational forces exerted when all the planets came into alignment. Sound familiar?

      Nowadays I am far more worried about things that are likely to happen like being involved in car accident.

      I think there is something unhealthy going on inside the head of any person who can't just be grateful for the day they have and have to go looking for reasons to be scared.

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      12 years ago from Bangalore

      I don't think the world will end on 2012.

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      12 years ago

      Mardi - marketing schemes have been underway for years. Never fear ... fear is a great motivator ;)

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      Mardi Winder-Adams 

      12 years ago from Western Canada and Texas

      Interesting to see how these things have come about. I am sure there are marketing schemes in the works already to sell people a load of "stuff" they don't need because of fear.

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      12 years ago

      Gibson - ok, no problem :) The modern Maya obviously don't practice many of their original ways anyway - some would be highly illegal for one! so I'd agree with you that the culture doesn't enjoy it's previous glory, though the members of the Maya culture may disagree. They may well perceive the modern day version as being a different kind of glory :)

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      12 years ago

      I really meant their civilisation.

      Theres a scripture that says when God brings down a civilisation (i.e. for their idolatry, sacrifice, witchcraft etc) they are unable return to their original glory.

      Even a revised-Roman Empire is going to be a fizzer.

      I haven't seen the scripture for a while but its there in the Good Book.

      I reckon I will go and look for it even tonight:)

    • frogdropping profile imageAUTHOR


      12 years ago

      Thankyou all that have recently been, read and left feedback :)

      Gibson - the Mayan haven't actually disappeared, they still exist. Albeit in the modern world and in a smaller way. They'd be slightly offended to hear that their culture has been wiped from history ;)

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      12 years ago


      Probably not much to worry about.

      From a Holy Bible perspective the Mayans have gone and as with all "gone" civilisations they wont get back up again.

      I get more out of John's Revelation than anything else. Especially when Revelation 13:16-18 and 14:9-11 talks about the people getting marked on the right hand or forehead and we then see the propaganda for a microchip to the hand or forehead.

      It sort of gives credence to the final book of the New Testament.

      See Verichip.

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      12 years ago

      loved tha hub! Most excellent!

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      12 years ago

      wonderful hub. But I am sure that the end of the world is still a mystery.

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      Nina Andrews 

      12 years ago from Germany

      When it comes about ancient prophecy we must think how to interpret it and how to compare the data with other sources giving similar information.

      Mayas cosmology gives a lot of opportunities for research work.

      The Mayan calendar could say many things… there could be described a kind of end but it is not the end of the world… this is like the end of the current page if you read a book… in that case this is the end of this part of Mayan calendar.

      Think like that! The next page of Mayan calendar vanished or there was nobody to write it because according to the legends, used to communicate with the Gods were only their rulers, in other words all that was said and recorded about the world and the cosmos, was given as information by the Gods. If the body of the last Mayas ruler was lying in the pyramid, then there would be nobody to write the next page, the page of the next time circle.

      Why I am saying that? According to the Mayas Cosmology, the West has a black colour. The black colour is a symbol of the mystery of Creation, of never beginning and never ending an infinite circle of time that is beyond our knowledge.

      The prophecy was given by the Gods to show a significant event that might happened in 2012 but it will be not the end of the world. The end of the time of our world is still not predicted!

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      12 years ago

      time wasting, no human knows.

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      12 years ago

      World will not end . Islam says

      Though Allah only knows when the Last Hour before the Day of Resurrection will come, He has given us 'clues' about its approach through information in the Qur'an and the hadith of the Prophet. The signs can be separated into two categories: minor and major. This article does not cover all the signs, but most of the important ones are here. All these signs are, of course, based on hadith and/or Qur'an, mainly the former.

      Minor Signs (in no particular order)

      "The coming of the Last Prophet, Muhammad ibn Abd-Allah (SAW)." [This has already happened, of course.]

      "The slave will become the master."

      "Shepherds will compete in the construction of tall buildings." [The modern ex-nomads of Saudi Arabia are an excellent example of this.]

      "Knowledge of Islam will be taken away while ignorance will increase. This removal of knowledge will be because old scholars will die and fewer and fewer new scholars will replace them. The leaders of the Muslims will be chosen from ignorant people, and they will rule according to their whims." [Today, studying Islam formally is considered to be an inferior career in most of the Muslim world. The leaders of the Muslim world are more known for their political or military prowess (oppressive ability?) than Islamic knowledge.]

      "Drinking and fornication will increase heavily."

      "The population of men will decrease, and women increase till fifty women shall be for every man."

      "Thirty people will claim to be prophets, followed by Al-Dajjal (the anti-Christ roughly)."

      "There will be such an abundance of wealth that people will not be able to find recipients for zakat."

      "Killing will increase."

      "Time will be shortened so that a year will be like a month, a month like a day, a day like an hour." [This perception of the seemingly dwindling amount of time is very apparent, especially in First World countries.]

      "Two great countries will fight and kill each other, both claiming the same thing."

      "Earthquakes will increase in number." [Welcome to California. :-]

      "A person will pass by the grave, and wish to trade places out of despair."

      Major Signs (in rough chronological order)

      "Al-Dajjal will come, claiming to be God holding Heaven and Hell. His purpose is to deceive, and unbelievers will follow him. He is short, red-faced, blind in the right eye, and has hair which sticks up. He will go around the world, but will be unable to enter Madinah or Makkah." [There are numerous detailed ahadith on this man.]

      "Al-Mahdi will come at the time of Al-Dajjal. He will call to the true Islam, and will be a military leader. His name will be exactly like that of the Prophet: Muhammad ibn Abd-Allah, and his father's name will match the Prophet's father's name also. He will be descended from Fatima, the daughter of the Prophet."

      "Isa (Jesus) will come at the time of Al-Dajjal and al-Mahdi as well. He will descend at the time of Fajr prayer on a masjid in Damascus, the capital of Syria. He is of medium height, red-faced, and his hair is as if he just took a shower. He will call people back to Islam, but he will also be a military leader. The People of the Book will revert to Islam, and wealth will be super-abundant. Isa will break the cross, kill the swine, and personally slay Al-Dajjal. He will stay on Earth for a long time thereafter, and then die."

      "An animal will come and call people back to Islam." [A partial description of this animal is that it is very hairy, so much so that one will not be able to tell its front from its rear (Arabic: 'Dab-ba'). Reference to this animal is mentioned in the Qur'an.]

      "Gog and Magog (two hidden tribes of people) will break free of the dam that holds them back, and ravage the earth. They will drink all the water, and kill people until Allah sends against them a worm which will wipe them out." [This is roughly before/during the time of Isa, although it is not entirely clear.]

      "Three places in the world will sink and be swallowed up by the earth. One in the west, one in the east, and one in the Saudi Arabian peninsula." [This may refer to a series of giant, epic earthquakes.]

      "Fire will come from the area of Aden in Yemen, and sweep northwards." [There are claims that this already happened in some medevial event.]

      "The sun will rise from the west." [This description is not meant to be a symbolic one...but it is known that it is one of the last, if not the very last one before the following.]

      "Smoke will appear all over the earth which will cause believers to catch something similar to a slight cold, whereas the unbelievers will be hit harder by it. Finally, a cold wind will come and kill all believers, leaving only unbelievers on the earth who will then witness the LAST HOUR. The angel Israfil will blow a trumpet, and the resurrection of all human beings will begin." [At this point, the Day of Resurrection commences in which the skies and earth are destroyed by Allah.]

      This list is far from complete; there are many other signs. A couple more of interest are: Constantinople (Istanbul) will fall before Rome to Islam (note that this means Rome will indeed fall), and the Muslim political system will go from Prophetic leadership to a just Khilafah to a 'biting' authority to an oppressive authority and finally back to a just Khilafah. It seems that today we are in the next to last stage of this chain; now is a good time to actively work for the reestablishment of the Muslim state and Khilafah.

      Finally, the Prophet has said that when the Signs start to come, they will come FAST - like a string of beads falling one after the other.

      And Allah Knows Best.

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      12 years ago

      12.21.2012 is my wife's birthday. It seems that she, personally, has taken responsibility for the demise of all of us. Haha!

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      12 years ago

      Up a ways I wrote about my son and his attitude toward this, he's not 13, he's just turned 15. Today he told me that one of his teachers brought this up in class and I'm so glad! My son WAS just a bit worried but this teacher made all the kids laugh and they discussed several different end of the world "prophecies" that never came to pass, as well as the fact that there are many still on the horizon.

      My son has also discussed with my dad much of the science that's been brought up due to this.

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      12 years ago from North Carolina

      Why all the sudden the Mayan people's calendar shows up?

    • frogdropping profile imageAUTHOR


      12 years ago

      New World - I will take a look at the link you left, if I can get it to load, thanks. As for the end of the world, I agree with you. Will it be the end of life as we know it? I don't know. But if any changes bring about a better world than the one we've managed to create, I guess we're long over due a new way of 'being'.

      Thankyou :)

    • frogdropping profile imageAUTHOR


      12 years ago

      Kimberly - thankyou :)

      Kyon - and thank you too ;)

      Kevin - the simple answer is ... who knows? I know that there's money to be made off the backs of scaring people half daft and at the end of the day, if anything really bad was going to happen, we couldn't do much about it anyway ... I suspect.

    • frogdropping profile imageAUTHOR


      12 years ago

      Doud S - if ever you get back here and read this, then please send me some more info. I will write a hub, dedicated to you and all the other I.T. guys and gals around the globe that saved our asses last time around. I, for one, salute your efforts! Thankyou for your input, most interesting and equally - most welcome!

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      New World Health 

      12 years ago

      Well written post!

      interestingly, the Maya and many other "cultures" predicted their events based on astrology, and every modern recoded disaster has happened on a calander date of a specific "belief or culture". all of these link to the same astrological system. Measuring the frequency that comes from the vibration of the middle of the earth.

      watching the last 15 minutes of

      will shed more light on it.

      The Mayans anticipated that 2012 will mark an increase in the earths vibration, resulting in a more "advanced" human experience! end of the world, no! End of the world as we know it, probably!

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      12 years ago

      This is simple truth: There will be no life on this planet, one day. ONE DAY. All we know, it is unavoidable thing.

      Seems we love numbers more than facts: 1984, 2000. Now it is 2012. Interestingly, these doomsday predictions are always around 2000. Why not make it 4000 or 5000 AD? Why do these soothsayers so hurry up to finish this world?

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      12 years ago from Nabon

      Thank you ,I can't imagine future. therefore I choose used my life by myself and I will no sad.

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      Kimberly Bunch 

      12 years ago from EAST WENATCHEE

      Interesting stuff!

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      Doug S 

      12 years ago

      Thank you MrVoodoo, for including in your post "As a side not a friend of mine always gets really cross when people compare it to the Y2K thing claiming 'nothing happened!"

      I get pretty cross too (even now, nearly 10 years later!) We (the IT workers) had to endure working 80 hours/week for the last few months before, and the first two months after the computer clocks went past 12/31/99!(which, once upon a time, was the expiration date used to mark a data set that wasn't actually intended to expire). Pretty much from 1998 on, all new computer development work was put on hold and all resources were dedicated to this massive project.

      Non-IT people just can't comprehend the effort that was required to find every place in every computer program where a two digit year was used instead of a four digit year or all the millions of lines of computer code that had to be changed and tested.

      It really annoys me that instead of being thanked for working so hard, since we did a great job preventing what would have been the melt-down of every financial computer system in the world, we have to listen to "Oh, it must not have been such a big problem, since nothing went wrong."


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      12 years ago

      jrcemail - that's actually quuite funny :) You're going to base your opinion on a film? You do realise that the film is more to do with a central character that meets himself by way of some freaky time hole type thing? lol - thanks for stopping by!

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      12 years ago

      This may sound lazy but.....I want to wait till the movie comes out.

    • frogdropping profile imageAUTHOR


      12 years ago

      Daniel - in many ways, the Maya were ignorant. Many of their sacrificial victims were prisoners and of little importance. But many weren't. I believe that many believed that their death was a noble one and offered some form of promise to the afterlife. And - children were used quite a lot.

      What's also worthy of note is the fact that religion (and surpestition) were the driving force behind the darker side of the culture. So I understand if anyone aacused us (as a species) of having learned nothing.

      Thankyou for your great feedback :)

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      Daniel Carter 

      12 years ago from Salt Lake City, Utah

      Such a nice rational approach to an otherwise superstitious subject. Great hub, and thanks for putting it in such a practical perspective. It's a great point you make that for all the Mayan's sophistication, they were obviously arrogantly deluded with the idea of their supremacy (as perhaps we are also guilty) and committed horrible atrocities, and were actually devoid, as you pointed out, of being very prophetic at all.

      And yet, it's all such good fodder for zealots and the superstitious among us today. Maybe that sounds a bit too harsh about some factions, and I don't really mean to be, but it does seem odd to me that when supernatural enters in to a subject, suddenly people can proclaim they are a voice from heaven and nullify any rational discussion. I guess I've just grown jaded and weary of all that.

      But I digress....

      Again, thanks for a great hub.

    • frogdropping profile imageAUTHOR


      12 years ago

      Opinion Duck - They weren't a prophetic people. At best, much like we are, the way we forecast weather, world finance, the next Pope and so on :)

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      Opinion Duck 

      12 years ago

      The Mayan Calendar apparently missed the date of their own demise. It appears that they were very optimistic putting the calendar out to 2012.

      The Russians used to put their manufacturing process in a 5 year plan, and that was also optimistic.

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      12 years ago

      darrin - well thankyou very much :) I hope you've got a little direction!

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      Darrin Stephen 

      12 years ago from Edson, Alberta

      now that was blog worth reading, thanks for that, I could learn so much more if I take the time to see where others are going, again, thanks!!

    • frogdropping profile imageAUTHOR


      12 years ago

      L/Girl - I just said in a comment on another hub (related) that if 2012 doesn't happen, then we've only four years or so until the next one. And lol nope ... we'll all be in the ether, no one to wag fingers and raise eyebrows.

      Ralwus - good day:) I probably won't be wrapping presents. I usually manage to persuade someone else to do that bit ... And this was an accident. Thinking aloud. After I kept coming across kids that are genuinely worried about 2012. I hope those that are making a buck are happy with the fear they're causing. Unhappy and frightened kids in exchange for money? That's a little low. I guess when money's rolling in you forget about the consequence of your words.

      Writing is an incredibly powerful way to get a message across. Unfortunately they're not always good ones.

      pylos - hey :) Thankyou for your compliment - and glad you enjoyed the read.

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      12 years ago

      your good writing makes for easy reading and comprehention. thanks for the relaxing read.


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    Google RecaptchaThis is used to prevent bots and spam. (Privacy Policy)
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    HubPages Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide data on traffic to our website, all personally identifyable data is anonymized. (Privacy Policy)
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    Amazon Web ServicesThis is a cloud services platform that we used to host our service. (Privacy Policy)
    CloudflareThis is a cloud CDN service that we use to efficiently deliver files required for our service to operate such as javascript, cascading style sheets, images, and videos. (Privacy Policy)
    Google Hosted LibrariesJavascript software libraries such as jQuery are loaded at endpoints on the or domains, for performance and efficiency reasons. (Privacy Policy)
    Google Custom SearchThis is feature allows you to search the site. (Privacy Policy)
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    Google ChartsThis is used to display charts and graphs on articles and the author center. (Privacy Policy)
    Google AdSense Host APIThis service allows you to sign up for or associate a Google AdSense account with HubPages, so that you can earn money from ads on your articles. No data is shared unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
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    MavenThis supports the Maven widget and search functionality. (Privacy Policy)
    Google AdSenseThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
    Google DoubleClickGoogle provides ad serving technology and runs an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
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    Facebook AdsThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
    Amazon Unified Ad MarketplaceThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
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    Rubicon ProjectThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
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    Say MediaWe partner with Say Media to deliver ad campaigns on our sites. (Privacy Policy)
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