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A Discussion With Manatita on Spiritual Philosophy - Part 10

Updated on August 25, 2018
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Sean is a teacher who is writing about his spiritual adventures to help other people find balance and self-respect.

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Transformation of the body shows us how pure we can be. Liberation of the vital shows us how dynamic we can be. Revelation of the mind shows us how vast we can be. Manifestation of the heart shows us how divine we can be.

— Sri Chinmoy

An Ongoing Adventure

In the ninth part of this spiritual adventure, my Brother, Manatita helped me, and I hope you too, with some questions about the significance of meditation for the Spiritual life. In this tenth part, we will continue with some questions about the Spiritual Path. I hope you'll enjoy it as I did.

Sri Chinmoy blessing Manatita on his birthday
Sri Chinmoy blessing Manatita on his birthday

Spiritual Adventure, Part 10

Ioannis: Inner hunger! I understand that this is a crucial element for every one of us! I believe that everyone has this inner hunger, the kind which will determine the path we walk.

The hunger for Light and Truth, to serve and offer Love, the hunger to become one with the Creator and His Creation, will lead us to the Spiritual Path.

The hunger for material opulence, for fame and worldly power, will lead us to the path of sorrows.

Some years ago, I used to believe that the meaning of Love, was to help others avoid the path of sorrows. Now I can see - and through this discussion it becomes even more apparent - that Love means to strive to become better in order to be a living example, a living light for God in all mankind. Meditation and prayer are our "arsenal" for this struggle.

It was difficult for me to accept that we have to leave some siblings behind, to follow the dark path they choose. I had to meditate and pray a lot for it. Now you have said several times that they are God's children, not ours. This is a great help now. Some years ago, I used to feel that this is a cruel phrase, but now I can see that is really full of Love!

Nevertheless, for the sake of our readers, I would like to ask you:

Is the Spiritual Path a lonely path?

Do we have to leave behind even our loved ones?

Can we through meditation and God-realization, through oneness, continue to be with them?

Manatita: Excellent and wise deductions. I will answer the individual paragraphs.

The spiritual Path and the inner hunger are inseparable. They walk together. We all have this, either consciously or unconsciously, to a greater or lesser extent.

Yes, in this discussion, you are showing a greater understanding. We are meant to be imitators of Christ, as Paul asks us to be and yes again, we do need the help of prayers and meditations. We cannot do this by ourselves.

On one level, we are instruments of God. Yet on another level, we have to feel that God does not need our help.

He is the Master Planner and knows His Creation far better than we do. So our purpose is to serve. Let Him worry about the deeper things.

Never worry about the things you cannot change. Whatever happens is happening for the ultimate progression of the soul. Whether or not it is clear to us, the universe is as unfolding as it should.

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No, my brother. The spiritual Path is anything but lonely. Even an ant like me is always content, and solitude is far from loneliness.

We walk alone, if that is what you mean. The mystical life is your own journey. Yet when heads are moving in the same direction, you can sometimes travel together like a family, like your family.

Our Path practices purity in words, thoughts and actions (this includes the dream states), but Guruji accepts married couples. I was married when I became a disciple. Some souls travel faster together. There is no hard and fast rule. Yet the monk has more freedom and perhaps less distractions.

Oneness embodies God-realisation. A state of conscious and inseparable interconnectedness with God. When we are free, there are no relatives as such. In the Kingdom of heaven, we neither marry nor are we given in marriage. We are Spirit.

The soul is immortal, and in the soul's region, you will be freed from the troublesome body and as such think differently.

But yes. You will have access to and see your dear ones. I also told you that one has to do one's duty. We all carry different packages for God's own reasons. Offer the results to God and be wary of attachments ...clinging is always followed by pain.

Still, dispassion is an inner state. I was saying, however, that for successful meditation, the mind should be free from all distractions.

Finally, in the grand scheme of reincarnation, I have had many mothers, and you have had many wives. Which ones should you claim? Lol. See everything and everyone, as an experience that God is having in and through you for the progression of the soul.

The circumstances, in which you find yourself, are necessary for God's purposes, and you will know when the time comes for progression. It may or may not be in this lifetime.

Your duty is to pray ... to Love ... with the spirit of detachment, offering the fruits of your actions to Brahman(God or Allah). This is what Sri Krishna teaches. Duty with detachments.

Nevertheless, post Realization, you will manifest God and may take help from a female Shakti. It is very possible for it to have been someone you knew in a past life.

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Ioannis: What an amazing answer, my dear Brother! Full of Love, Light, compassion and so wise! My Heart and my Spirit feel so content! Thank you, wholeheartedly thank you!

But! Too many new questions jump out from this answer!

Let's start with the last lines. I am familiar enough with the Hindu pantheon, but I am a little hazy with this:

"Nevertheless, post realization, you will manifest God and may take help from a female Shakti. It is very possible for it to have been someone you knew in a past life."

Would you be so kind as to help our readers and me a little more with that?

Manatita: I will try. This takes us away from the basics and generally it is better to discuss this with practising seekers. There is some speculation also, but let's try, then move on.

Divine Incarnations (God-realised Souls), generally collaborate with a Consort or Shakti, the feminine power or energy of the Absolute.

Christs' mother was very pure, and it is likely that he worked with her or Mary Magdalene, a deeply spiritual soul. The Buddha was married, and his wife and son became disciples. So it is very likely that she was his Consort.

Sri Ramakrishna's case is clearer. His wife, Sarada Devi, seemed to be his Consort and many of the advanced disciples related to her. She was purity incarnate! As was he!

Ramana Maharshi disappeared from home at about 14, but his mother found him a few years later, on the hills of Arunachala. She never left and was held in the highest esteem by the devotees.

Lord Rama had Sita and Sri Krishna probably Radha (check with our brother Venkatachari Ji on this). He was married though.

Sri Aurobindo had the French Lady who became known as the 'mother'. She carried on after his passing. My Guruji met Alo Devi at the Ashram in Pondicherry, and she travelled with him to the West.

Guruji took Mahasamadhi (A Yogi's conscious exit from this world) on October 11th 2007. Alo Devi is almost 90 and has retired from public life but still very much alive.

It is worth mentioning, that while a Consort may or may not be family, they have a pure relationship with the Master. They work with him as collaborators for the manifestation of God's vision here on earth.

Since you love your dear ones so much, I wanted to give you hope. God-realized Souls usually encounter their Shakti's in former lives, and they are all very spiritual.

They can be directly chosen as Ramakrishna did with Sarada Devi, but all are ultimately chosen to work for the Divine.

They are not disciples in the true sense, but channels of Light, working with the Master for the descent of God's victory on earth. Now let's make it simpler.

End of part 10.

To be continued… (link to part 11)

© 2018 Ioannis Arvanitis

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    • Ericdierker profile image

      Eric Dierker 

      3 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Sean and Manatita. You guys are great!

      My boy and I hope to visit our peace garden and maybe cop a little mindlessness and move straight into loveliness. You will be there with us.

      https://us.srichinmoycentre.org/san_diego

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      manatita44 

      4 months ago from london

      Hi Bro.

      'Checking the intellent' can imply being like a child.

      Not childlsh; but childlike. In other words, they are asking us to be like the sun ... like mother earth. Full of humility.

      By the way, we will sometimes tell you that the mind is useless. Other times, we will say that it has its usefulness. It's all a matter of inner understanding and God's Light will teach us all that. Truth is sometimes paradoxical.

      Sincerity of purpose; purity of intentions are crucial. But I won't worry. You seem to be dancing Love's music pretty well.

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      4 months ago from Greece, Almyros

      We Love you too, Eric and we thank you for all the support!

      God Bless your Path!

      Sean

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      Eric Dierker 

      4 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Very good Manatita. In our sangha meditation and yoga to we work on our intentions with regard to our bodies. Are we so attached to the whole that we cannot pay attention to one little muscle in our feet? When you are able to spend a full ten minutes in an Asana for an elbow it is so freeing.

      Now correct me on this one thing please. It seems that in meditation, prayer, soulful reading, quiet contemplation and yogic mind body, we are to check our intellect at the door. But a big part of the reason for doing that is that after such practice our intellect is stronger. ( I meditated with a physician for a while and his mantra was doing anatomy in his head - really, it relaxed him and created "no mind" as he put it.)

      Love both of you brothers and thanks for this series.

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      manatita44 

      4 months ago from london

      A lot here Eric,

      And a mental approach. Not right or wrong as each soul is different and will relate to Spirituality in its own way.

      By nature I like the simple way. When the foundation is strong, it is innevitable that sooner or later we will understand the complex parts of the building. But for now, It may be useful to go the way of Yoga.

      Yoga asks us to be happy ... to Love. Are we doing the things that bring real joy? What does Spinoza has to do with my inner experiences? How do I truly feel inside? Am I serving God's creation?

      The metaphysical things - and there are many - will come later, just as when the foundation of the house is built, we then go on to the complex parts of building.

      Initially though, let us begin from the standpoint that we are souls having a human experience. That our purpose is to know our true Self or God.

      There are principles laid down for this: Love, serve, prayer, both verbally and in Silence, meditate and always offer gratitude to the Divine. Live in this world as though everything belongs to God. Why should we want to claim His possessions? Duty is necessary ... work, family, life's stations .. but the results of Duty is up to Him.

      Service is necessary for breaking down the ego and in encouraging the inner vessel to hold God's Light. It is only then that the higher things will be revealed and we will know our lives purpose. Peace!

      P.S. It is always humbling when we wish to know how to love more ... to serve more ... to pray and meditate ... to offer ourselves up to the service of mankind. From a yogic standpoint, these are the real questions.

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      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      4 months ago from Greece, Almyros

      Ha! My brother, Eric, I think we have the same problem! As, wisely, my brother Manatita says, we use more the mind than the Heart!

      Anyway, I think that the previous Manatita's comment includes an answer to your remark. Thank you so much for your participation and feedback!

      Gratitude!

      Sean

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      Eric Dierker 

      4 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Now gentlemen I was blessed to have some time to read: Spinoza regarding emotional effects of divine necessity; Bhagavadgita Chpt 2&3 and Christ on telling his disciples to gather nothing and not even say goodbye as the followed him.

      And I find an inevitable conclusion that is strange. If we practice detachment in the real sense we become attached to this practice. Much like folks who say "in the now". It cannot be. It must be in the "moment" because now changes before we can even say that word.

      So it would appear to me that the disciples could not dwell on how wonderful they were to leave all attachments. Spinoza reminds us the weeping, laughing or hating is basically ignorance while striving to understand is worthy. Ergo attachment creates dumb blinding emotions. Where as Bhagavad Gita tells us that equanimity is worthy of achievement.

      And yet in all of these if taken with some effort or maybe lack thereof never is detachment a goal or place but a simple "is is".

      Excuse me for going so long. Personally I tie detachment into ethics. One must be detached in order to be just.

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      manatita44 

      4 months ago from london

      Eric.

      Attachment is clinging and dispassion or non-attachment is the opposite. It is a positive quality but has been misused.

      Devotion to God is what we seek and higher than this is Love for Love,s sake.. the Spirit God gives out Love and I do not know that one should be attached to it.

      Attachment is a subtle negative quality that brings pain. So my dog dies or my fancy car is destroyed and I lose my peace. It is the clinging that causes this.

      Can God be attached to God? We are all sons of God and must be even as He. Hari om!

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      4 months ago from Greece, Almyros

      I love your questions my brother Eric. They give me hope! I am not the only one trying to understand! Ha! Ha!

      I'll give you my perception, and I hope our brother, Manatita, will explain it to you.

      One has to be detached from everything could be an obstacle on his Path to Home, to our Father. Also has to be detached from the results. No one can be detached from God, and through Him, we always are connected with our loved ones. Love is the Great Merger!

      I don't know if I helped you, but at least you have my Love, brother.

      Sean

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      Eric Dierker 

      4 months ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I didn't quite catch is one is detached from their consort. It would seem that detachment must be to all, but even God?

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      4 months ago from Greece, Almyros

      Now, let's go to your second comment, my dear Brother and teacher, Manatita.

      Part 1: I knew both Ramakrishna and Vivekananda before I meet you, here in HubPages, but it was your motivation that made me study them more, and I will always be grateful to you for this.

      Part 2: The truth is that I had not the experience, your experience of serving, to hold my "hunger" to learn under the needs of our discussion for the benefit of all readers! So I admit that on many points I made it more difficult than it should be. I apologise to our readers, and I pray for them to gain even through this. Maybe in the future we'll do something simpler and more practice.

      Part 3: What can I say? I am so small even to be in the same paragraph with Mother Teresa! But I thank you for your words, they are a treasure for me, and they give me the motivation to try some more to serve in the right way that I've learned from you. As your Great Master said: "Father, shape me and make me worthy of my part in Thy cosmic play and Thy divine Mission.” That is my daily prayer!

      My Brother, I will never find the words to thank you enough!

      Eternal Gratitude!

      Sean

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      4 months ago from Greece, Almyros

      A life without love! No, my dear brother Bill, it doesn't exist such a thing! This is just a mimic of life! It's something like me singing Elvis, you don't want to live it, believe me! Ha! Ha!

      As I wrote to my brother Tim, I believe that Love is the fifth element, the quintessence of life, or as my brother Manatita says is the Breath of God in the Creation!

      So, yes! We feel the same.

      Thank you for gracing our work with your presence!

      Sean

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      4 months ago from Greece, Almyros

      My dear Brother, Manatita answering in your first comment I say that I would be honoured to participate in any way I can to your sublime work. Your poems are masterpieces and deserve the best illustration!

      There is a vast amount of free images on the net, but you have to know where to look and how to find what you want. I give considerable attention to the pictures I use because I believe they are part of what I want to say. Therefore I spend a lot of time to find the right ones and make any edit I think they need.

      So, yes I am willing to help you. Better, I am happy to help you. Besides, it would be a chance for me to return a little of the great help you have given me.

      Gratitude!

      Sean

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      manatita44 

      4 months ago from london

      I'm so glad that you chose Vivekananda. He says all of what I have been saying to you and more. I like the piece from Ramakrishna also, who was his Master, a powerhouse of a soul.

      This one began simply enough, but some tough questions and responses later on. Ioannis in future, we must make it simplier. Ask me the tough ones in private. I'm always mindful when talking to seekers. The purpose is to serve, after all.

      You have been a loyal and devoted friend and I commend you highly. There were many Christian saints who were greater in terms of spiritual power than Mother Theresa. Still, Guruji liked her for her service. Ramakrishna was awesome, but it was Vivekananda who spread the message. In the same way, Mother Theresa was a selfless and sleepless work for the Divine. So are you, in a different way, my brother.

      Another thought-provoking but sublime and excellent piece.

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      Bill Holland 

      4 months ago from Olympia, WA

      Can one be happy without love in his/her life? Somehow I doubt it. I suspect you feel the same, my brothers.

      Peace and love always!

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      manatita44 

      4 months ago from london

      Before I forget, let me ask you dear Brother. Are you creating those drawings? The lantern ones, I mean. if you are, then we can work together. I already have the vision of my 2nd poetry book, and I want it to be a masterpiece.

      There will be different themes such as Love, Hope, Gratitude, Passing, Sonnets, Odes … you get my drift? I need a drawing for each theme. So for example, you photo up top could be representative of Light or Hope … what do you think?

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