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A Discussion With Manatita on Spiritual Philosophy - Part 8

Updated on August 17, 2019
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Sean is a teacher who is writing about his spiritual adventures to help other people find balance and self-respect.


Since life is but a continuous

Series of experiences,

Everything ultimately helps me

Towards my final enlightenment.

— Sri Chinmoy

An Ongoing Adventure

In the seventh part of this spiritual adventure, my Brother, Manatita helped me, and I hope you too, with some questions about forgiveness and self-protecting. In this eighth part, we will continue with some questions about the main key to enhance spiritual progress. I hope you'll enjoy it as I did.

Manatita with Sri Chinmoy in Ipswich, UK
Manatita with Sri Chinmoy in Ipswich, UK

Spiritual Adventure, Part 8

Ioannis: Yes, my Brother, I understood, and I agree. Let's move on to the next question.

What is the main key to enhance spiritual progress?

Manatita: Aspiration is the beginning and the end of the journey. This is a birthless and deathless Path and God is not static, but constantly transcending Itself. The Christ’s message, is quintessentially one of a Kingdom of Heaven, the spirit of the principles needed are wrapped in the Beatitudes: Forgiveness, Mercy, Love, spiritual peacemaking … prayer, both verbal and interior and so forth.

However, the key is to ‘knock’ and the door will be opened. ‘Seek’ and you will find. When the child is hungry, it cries and the mother comes running as she recognizes a need in the child. In the same way, we have to long, yearn or cry for the Divine.

Aspiration is the burning intensity for Light - the inner hunger - without which nothing can be achieved. Sri Ramakrishna used to roll on the ground until his skin bled: “Mother”, he would say, “Another day has gone and I still have not seen you.” The rich man has ambition, as without this strong pull for riches, he is unlikely to become rich.

Desire is the pull of this world and Aspiration is the intensity, the ‘pull’ of the Higher or inner world. We start our journey with longing and end it with longing … an ever-transcending road that never ceases, as God is an ever-evolving God.


A friend in Kenya asked me two weeks ago, how to acquire this longing. Hard to say. We utilize that little inner spark for prayer and service; for spiritual practices until it grows brighter, stronger. Still, we use the self-effort only to be taken to the place where we come to realise that all is His Grace. Yet self-effort is paramount. They are twins.

Nisagadatta said that it was not necessary to speak. The ‘clever’ devotee put up his hand and asked enquiringly: “Master”, then why do you speak?”

Nisagatta smiled and said: “Only to take you to the point where you will realise that speech is not necessary.” Longing, yearning or Aspiration, takes us eventually to that deep Absolute Silence.

Ioannis: I think that some answers you gave - like this one - have so much density of information and knowledge that they could be enough for a seeker to spend months or years working on them! But we have readers who need more help to understand, so let's stay here for a while.

I will start with a question I have heard many times in my discussions with people.

"I knock, and I knock, it seems like forever, but the door doesn't open! What do I do wrong and my prayers do not be answered?”

Manatita: These may be good questions, but they are not those of the God-seeker. One has to be tolerant true, but these questions are coming from the mind. These are the ones we have to reason with, and reasoning isn't always a good thing. It pleases the mind, but it never serves the Heart.

What is 'knocking and seeking?' They are the cries or longing of those who love God. The spiritual beginner has to cry like the child and again, just as the child takes joy in his mother's presence, so too, the seeker has to delight in the Lord. Why am I not tired after thirty-six years? Why do I not question God?

Creator and creation are one and when we try to separate the Absolute from Its manifestations, we will always have problems. We have to serve man, we have to be good to our neighbours; fit in at work, on the buses and trains and so forth. We cannot love God whom we have not seen, unless we love man whom we can see. I speak a lot about the inner life, but the spiritual life is very practical. What is not God? In that sense, the outer life is also His manifestation and we need to serve.


Knocking should be a joy and not a chore. If it is, then the Heart is missing and if the Heart is missing, then true longing is not there, but expectation is. Peace begins when expectation ends. Patience is so necessary! Patience is the ability to wait, knowing by Faith that one is experiencing or will experience the joy of the Lord. Spiritual Masters illustrate this with stories. One such one goes like this:

A Yogi and a drunkard were sitting under a tree, when the Seer Narada passed by. "Narada!" said the Yogi. "Great servant of God. Can you tell me how long before I realise God?" "Four more incarnations." Said Narada. "Four more incarnations!" Said the Yogi. I do not want to know God anymore. Then he got up and walked away. Now it was the turn of the drunkard.

"Narada, O great servant of God! Can you answer the same question on my behalf?" Narada looked at him and smiled sweetly. "Do you see the leaves on this tree? This is how long it will take you to realise God." The drunkard immediately got up and started singing and dancing and praising God. "So I would definitely realise God." He said to Narada. "You have given me hope. I will definitely realise God." This drunkard had hope and was prepared to wait. He didn't mind how long. So Narada blessed him and he realised God. So you see that patience is necessary.


When people are sad that the door isn't opening, it shows a lack of faith … a half-hearted attempt to love God and a lack of service to God's creation. Service expands the Heart and makes us very receptive to the Spirit. It also gives us tremendous and sustainable Joy. I went to Kenya to serve, but I cannot say that I did not receive myself. For it is in giving that we receive; in serving without expectations that we expedite our spiritual progress.

Finally, it is so useful to look at Spirituality from the Yogic standpoint! In Yoga, what we are called upon to do is to transform our own nature … to be accountable and responsible … to be the change we wish to see. Yoga is the transformation of our own nature. To worry about God, or others Path or anything else is to complicate the simplicity of Spirituality. We need to be concerned about our own mirrors.

Let us Love, prayer, serve soulfully, meditate, offer gratitude and generally strive to be good and see what happens. If we wish to swim, we cannot say that the water is too cold. We have to jump in and take instructions. To pray without expectations … to love for Love's sake … to serve humans, the outer aspect of the expressions of God.


Ioannis: So, is it true that the prayers of a God-seeker, who realise that all is His Grace, must be prayers of thanksgiving and not of asking?

Manatita: It is good to ask, and much of this depends on the nature of the soul and its circumstances. This is the prayer of entreaty.

We ask for wisdom, fortitude ... not for a lesser burden, but for a stronger Heart. We ask for strength or God's Grace to guide us ... this is the positive side.

Go into a chapel and have a look at the prayer board, then you will see some of the basic things that humans ask for. They are plenteous!

The second prayer is the prayer of Surrender. May Thy Will be done in and through me. I suppose we can say that there is a third. The prayer of praise ... adoration. Offering Gratitude...

Before we get there though, we sometimes ask due to the reason I mentioned above. However positive, initially we tend to want or seek help from the Divine.

This is healthy as God can and does respond. Just not always in our own way. After all, She knows what's good for us ... has our inner progress at Heart.

End of part 8.

To be continued… (link to part 9)

The Book

Manatita, The Lantern Carrier: An Esoteric Journey to Spiritual Philosophy
Manatita, The Lantern Carrier: An Esoteric Journey to Spiritual Philosophy
This article is an excerpt from my book "Manatita, The Lantern Carrier". A book dedicated to all the seekers of the Light which I am sure that it will lift you up!

© 2018 Ioannis Arvanitis


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    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      Happy to know you are ok, Bro! Our Love embraces the whole world through God.


    • Venkatachari M profile image

      Venkatachari M 

      2 years ago from Hyderabad, India

      Thanks, Bro, for the concern. Here in Hyderabad, our area is not affected due to the floods. But, in some areas of Old Hyderabad, often they get heavy floods during the rainy season. There are floods in Mumbai, Chennai, Kerala, Assam, Uttar Pradesh, and Delhi. Our earnest prayers are needed always for such victims all over the world.

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      Yes, my brother, Venkatachari M, the child and mother example is one of the most significant messages I've ever read!

      Thank you for sharing the Light of your Heart with us.

      I hope everything is ok there in India because I read about flood problems. My prayers are with you and all Indian people.


    • Venkatachari M profile image

      Venkatachari M 

      2 years ago from Hyderabad, India

      It's a very deep dive into the inner core of spirituality. Many beautiful revelations here from Manatita through your medium.

      The child, mother example is the great message here. The child does not stop until his mother comes and caresses him. He never thinks in terms of any time-period or anything like that for his crying activity. He is dead sure that she will definitely come and lift him. This belief should be there in each one of us if we are seeking God sincerely.

      Thanks, Manatita and Loannis, for this great message.

    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      You will always be a precious friend along the way, my brother, Bill. Thank you for the honor!

      My prayers embrace you and your family.


    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      My dear Brother, Manatita, I could never find enough words to thank you for all the help! My comfort is that I know that offering is your happiness!

      God Bless your loving Heart!


    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      Amazing comment, Eric, amazing indeed! Amusing and deep wise as always. Thank you, my Brother, I am so grateful for your support! You are a living part of this discussion, you know!

      Your last line is absolutely fantastic! Thank you!

      My Love to your family!


    • Sean Dragon profile imageAUTHOR

      Ioannis Arvanitis 

      2 years ago from Greece, Almyros

      Thank you, my Brother, Tim! This discussion it couldn't exist and continue without the support of His Love and yours too! All of you who reading and commenting, and placing the Light of your Heart in those comments! Yes, my Brother, indeed, God always wants the best for us. For me, meeting Manatita and all of you and having those wonderful Spiritual lessons, is living evidence of this! We have some more. Keep in touch...

      Gratitude for your support!


    • billybuc profile image

      Bill Holland 

      2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      The quest continues, and I appreciate the aid you two give me through this series and through your friendship. Peace always!

    • manatita44 profile image


      2 years ago from london

      Thanks guys, I'm so happy that you are following these series ... so greatful to Ioannis that he has initiated and is continuing same. There are no winners and losers here, for we are all flames of God.

      "Victory means temporary peace, but Peace is eternity's victory." Sri Chinmoy.

    • Ericdierker profile image

      Eric Dierker 

      2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      Very nice indeed. I once said that I finally had God in my heart. And then he changed, or was that me? I hope that I am always willing to change as my relationship with God changes. What was once a peck on the cheek is now kisses all over with a great big hug.

      Funny about all that is the Alpha and Omega Omnipresence of God. I think he likes to giggle at me now for he knows where I will be in a decade. At this moment he does that which forms me to be there now.

      In my world there is reading, meditation and prayer followed by Yogic style movement.

      On a different space and time Christ is almost like he is going through it all with me. A constant reminder to thirst for a heavier load and the grace to carry it gracefully.

      I love it when my children ask for help. It is so fulfilling and love giving, I have to assume God is ten fold here. It would be darned rude if I did not ask for His help when I need it.

      Great stuff here guys, I look forward to each one and am amazed that it is more than I hoped for, I suppose like God.

    • Tim Truzy info4u profile image

      Tim Truzy 

      2 years ago from U.S.A.

      Excellent and enlightening as always. Thanks sean and Manatita. I particularly like: "Knock and the door will be opened." From reading the Bible and other texts, it's obvious that God always wants the best for us. His justice, reasoning, love, and freedom is not that of Man, and therfore, I enjoy praising Him and letting Him guide and provide.

      Thanks again.




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