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Religious discussions and prayers
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Welcome to our article (13), Religious discussions and prayers
May God guide and help me to say the right religious things?
Dear readers, to achieve what we would like to achieve with these religious writings, I am praying God to help me? So, Almighty Father hear my prayer and help me, amen.
Here, before I write my prayer, I would like to explain, that every time we pray God, we might pray for different reasons, which they would most likely be about what we need at that time. But even if we pray God for different reasons, the prayers that we pray can be similar. They are similar, because first we must invoke God and ask God for help, at the same time, we must make sure that we are worthy to ask God to help us. And then, we can state what sort of help we need and what it is for, in the end we must invoke God again to hear our prayers and grand us our requests. Anyhow, let me write my prayer for this article.
My prayer to God for this article
My lord God, with my personal writing concerns I come praying to you God-Most-High, master of the universe and life-giver to every living thing, I am praying thee for forgiveness of all my life sins, and for reconciliation to thy spiritual and eternal benevolent life force, I am praying in the hope that you would forgive me all my life sins, so that, I would become spiritually clean, and then, you would be able to hear my prayer and help me; I am praying with all my heart my soul and my mind, hoping that in your mercy you would guide and help me write this article of, Religious discussions and prayers according to your will, and in such a way that these religious writings could become helpful one day to all humanity. Father hear my prayer and help me, amen.
Since in this article, we are talking about my personal prayers, I would like to add another prayer that I pray often, because it makes me feel that spiritual security within myself, since by praying I feel that I have done the right thing spiritually, and then, God may help me to write these religious writings.
Personal prayer (2)
My Lord God, Almighty Father I pray you with all my heart, my soul and my mind to guide and protect me from all dangers and the forces of evil, and then, let me be a very wise man, so that I would be able to live the rest of my life according to your will, and write these religious writings as humanly as possible according to your will, and in such a way that humanity could accept them and use them for the future benefit of mankind. Father hear my prayer and help me, amen
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Religious discussions and views of God
Personal religious discussions
Dear readers, here I must confess that I feel as if I am being driven by an inner force to write these religious writings of Prayers for Reconciliation. I know that this force that I feel within could be a psychological wave within my brains, and that, it has been trigged from my own religious beliefs. Anyhow, after thinking for a very long time and reflecting about this God sent task that seems to be within my mind all the time and never lets me go; I have concluded that I would never find peace within myself, unless I fulfil my desire to write about these religious beliefs within me. Now, here I need to add that there are a few reasons why I have started this wanting to write my religious beliefs, but they are very complex, therefore I have not been able to explain it fully, but I am sure that I will soon be able to do that, perhaps in this article or our next article. Anyhow, today I have decided to talk to my religious friends again about religions, in the hope that now they may have come to see my religious task in a more favorable way, and so they would be able to help me somehow.
So, I have called my friends to let them know, that I would like to see them again to talk about my religious dilemmas. Now, while I have been waiting for my friends to arrive, I have been thinking that it would be a good thing, if I write down the reasons why I have started to write these religious writings, so that, while we would be discussing these religious issues, we would be able to understand the situation better. While I have been thinking about these religious things I have realized that one of the reasons why I have started to write and need to write these religious writings, it was and it still is, that perhaps I see God somehow different from everybody else, and I also see or understand the Bible a bit different from everybody else; therefore, I need to explain to my friends more clearly what I think God might be like, in the hope that by explaining that, my friends will understand me better, and so, they will be able to help me with their input about their approval or disapproval of whatever is going to be discussed.
While I am thinking about the discussions that we might have with my friends, I have asked myself why I am seeing these religious things in a different way and other issues, and here, I have surprised myself that I am denying some of the main reasons why I wanted to write these new religious views. So, I have again become aware, that one of the trigger of wanting to write these religious views or beliefs in a new way, they were a couple of things. The first one is about the atheist’s denial of God existence; and the second one was the shock of the 9-11 terrorist attack on American soil. We know these two groups are completely different in their religious beliefs, because the atheists deny the existence of God, but the Muslim terrorist believe in their God to the point of carrying these terrorist acts and killing themselves in the name of their God Allah. These two things although they are very different and far apart, at the same time they are religious issues, so, there is a chance that both could be fixed modifying religions.
Anyhow, when I have written this article for the first time, I had reason to believe that the terrorist situation could have escalated very rapidly, and the terrorist may have made wars to the rest of the world, but it did not happen. So, let us leave behind this terrorist threat for the time being, because we want to talk about what can be done, to neutralize both these religious issues.
This situation could be said to be very strange, because these two groups of people that have nothing in common, since they stand so far apart that if they were political parties, they could have been described as extremist and one would be the extreme right and the other the extreme left. Now, I believe that what I am going to suggest next, it could even be stranger, because I am suggesting some religious changes; because I believe that by changing some religious beliefs both groups can be neutralized, of course, this could only work if everybody would believe in a new religious way, which would be a new religious way for the future. You see, we have in mind this theory, which we are going to suggest, before we complete our religious writings. Anyhow, this is how I imagine that this religious problem could be solved, in the future.
Other religious reasons and prayer
Let me explain a bit more, you see, what I have written above is only part of the reason why I am writing these articles, because there are other personal religious reasons as well, you see, I have been writing them as my personal prayer to our spiritual Father God Most High, which I pray from the bottom of my heart, my soul and my mind, I pray every day of my life, while I am happy and while I am sad and distressed.
Therefore, within these religious writings, will be written lots of prayers: In some of these prayers I’ll be praying God for forgiveness to become purified, and therefore become worthy to become God’s servant. Then in some prayers I’ll be invoking help from God, so that, I can write my religious writings the proper way, and in some prayers, I will be asking God to protect me from the spiritual forces of evil; because it is important for me to fear the spiritual forces of evil, and I pray God to help me. Here I believe that I must explain again that my beliefs are based on a new way of understanding spiritual things and God. Or I should say God spiritual life force of the universe. Therefore, there are many new ways of praying God, and hereunder is another one of my prayers that I am writing.
Another one of my new prayers
My lord God, with my personal concerns I come to you praying, Father Most High, master of the universe and life-giver of every living thing; I am praying you Father for help and guidance. Father let my guardian angel suggest me what to say, when I am writing these religious articles. Or send me a sign from Heaven that suggests me what to say. So that, I could be inspired and be able to continue to write my religious writings, in such a way that they are acceptable to the Spiritual beings in Heaven, and to the physical beings on earth. Father hear my prayer and help me, Amen
Having written this prayer above, another thought has come to my mind while I was waiting for my friends to come at the meeting. So, I am thinking that we need to define better, why we need religions and what God of the future could be like? We need to do that in such a way that people could easily accept our descriptions of God of the future.
Our Lord Jesus Christ
Religious discussions at the meeting
After greeting each other and all other niceties that occur every time friend meet, I, Mark and Gino made ourselves comfortable and started to talk about the agenda of the meeting, and I first of all asked them;
I guess that you have come just the two of you, because any other friend does not want to take part in these religious talks? Is that right?
(You could say that they replied.)
What is the matter with them? Are they scared to talk to us now, or something else?
Don’t they see that we are talking only, and nothing is happening? And nothing will ever happen just by talking and trying to make sense of the whole religious situation that exists today, we hope that by talking about it, we can one day to find a solution.
Here I would like to point out to our dear friends, that changing religious or religions meanings is not new, if we look back at the times of Our Lord Jesus Christ, we will see that even Jesus Christ tried to explain religious issues to the Jews in a different way, but the religious leader of the time did not want to understand Our Lord, so, they crucified him to neutralize the new religious ways that he was preaching.
Anyhow, that nobody else has come with you does not matter much, and perhaps we are better off without them, if they worry too much about exchanging religious views or beliefs, in case they say the wrong things, we understand that.
But now tell me about your own findings, what people are saying, when you have talked to them about God and religion, and what has been happening lately that is worth mentioning?
Here my friend Mark was ready to answer me, and he had a nice surprise for me, when he said later, that, ‘God is hope for those who need hope most’; and this is what he said overall:
God is hope for those who need hope most
Well, I am glad you asked; I would say that most of the people that we have talked to, they are not interested talking about religious things willingly, and those who are talking, have expressed themselves in many ways; but let me break these people beliefs in groups so to speak, so that a better picture can be seen?
So, first I have to say that a lot of people believe in God and religion just the way it is today. You see, since most religions have been the same for thousands of years, they are used to these religious beliefs; so, this portion of people does not want any change in religion, as they are happy to stay with the ways religions are nowadays, and if they have any doubts in their minds they are not showing it. So, it would be a waste of time to talk to them unless you agree fully with their religious beliefs, and you talk to them, just to have a chat and be friendly.
There is also a portion of people that have doubts about today’s religions, so, they are ready to talk about their religious beliefs and doubts, some of these people don’t feel sure whether what is being taught about religion today is the right thing to do. So, they ask themselves many religious questions, but they have no answers for any of those questions. They are religious believers, but they have some doubts in their mind and heart. You can talk to this group of people and they talk to you willingly, but they are not much help either, if you want to find any new religious ideas.
We have also noted that right in the middle there is this large group of people, which believe in God and religions only up to a certain point, these people usually would like to know more and ask all sorts of questions, in the hope that they could find their way how to return to religion fully one day, as they seem to feel that religion is still important to them in many ways; sometimes these people seem to want to follow religion just to have a sense of belonging to a group, as they like to have friends and religion gives this religious link to them that helps to have some friends.
Then there is at the extreme end of this middle group those who believe very little in religion as it is today, so, they are asking too many questions themselves about religions, they are agnostic as they believe and at the same time don’t believe in God and religions, one does not know what to do with this group, and yet they are the most interesting ones, just because they would like to know more. That is all there is in this middle group.
And then, there is this last group of people, which today I would call the danger group for religion and religious beliefs, they are the atheist, they don’t believe in God and religions at all, so, for them it would be better if religions did not exist. They are usually very intelligent people and have a good job, so, for them there are no worries in life, therefore, they don’t see the need of God and religion to help them with their lives, like some less fortunate people do. Now, because they don’t need God and religions, as they feel secure within themselves; this well to do group starts putting forwards all sort of stories, to blame religion for some of the bad things religions have done in the past. They want to talk about religious extremist to run down religions, since these religious extremists kill in the name or their God. Anyhow, I am saying that these people don’t see that mankind have only to blame themselves, because no real religion tells its believers to kill, or do anything else that may harm anyone.
But then, attached to this well-educated atheist group, there are a few people that are poor uneducated people and they don’t believe in God just to protest their bad luck, as they are not happy about what the world is giving them, so, they see the need to believe only in themselves; now, because of this belief they may become the worst sort of mankind, because they don’t have any respect for humanity, and also they don’t have a God or religion or any other sort of inbuilt restrain within them. I could say more about this group, but I think it is better that I stop here and see what you think about it all.
Having said all this about religions; I would only like to add what I have learned from all these enquiries; and I want you to remember how I see religion now, as this may well be important from now on, if we are going to talk about religious issues, because I believe that religions are important to keep, even if one day they might need to be modified. Religions might not be a universal human belief, as we have seen in the example of the atheists; but God and religions are still needed today for those people that are unfortunate, as they feel within their heart that they need God to protect or help them. For this reason, God and religions are needed, because; God and religion is hope for those who need hope most.
So, remember that;
Religion and God is hope for those who need hope most.
I said, very well said Mark, and so did Gino at the same time.
Comments on Mark speech
My comment on Mark religious’ speech
Now, let me see if I got it right, so, let me comment about what you have said Mark; and then, I am going to say how I see religious issues these days:
Looking at what you have said, we agree with you about the erratic people behavior about religions. So, when we consider this, it seems to me that today people are not so sure about religions, or we can say that they are not as sure as they were in the past. Therefore, because of this people behavior, as we can see today religions are not as powerful as they used to be, because people just don’t believe everything religious leaders tell them. Anyhow, today they start thinking and ask themselves what are religions for?
Because of this present religious movement, there are some extremist groups like the atheists, as Mark has pointed out that do not believe in God at all; this group would like to see that God and religions disappear from the face of the earth, because they believe that God does not exist. Here we must say that these atheists can even succeed bringing all religions to an end. If that is the case, what the good citizens of the world should do to restore a balance that would prevent this event happening, one may ask? Since we believe that God and religions are useful to all humanity.
Therefore, the people of this world need to do something about it, because there are reasons to believe that it would result in a great religious chaos, if we let the atheists have their ways. For these reasons I believe that the world cannot afford to stop believing in God and religions and follow the atheist’s views; even though we must admit that there are religious things that are not right, but, we still need God and religions.
For this reason, we should think about something that could help everybody to continue with their religious beliefs, after all religions are still important enough even today, because as Mark said; Religion and God is hope for those who need hope most.
Perhaps, we should look at the reasons why these atheists are what they are today. We can only assume that religions don’t make sense to most of us anymore, because most times religions really don’t make sense even to us believers; but religious leaders still want people to believe what they believe or what they want us to believe, even when it cannot be explained by using common sense, as they would like to continue with religions just the way they are and have been, so that, they can control the public through religious beliefs.
Looking at what we have said, one has reason to believe that these religious leaders attitude is part of the reason why people are moving away from religions. Having said that, this question now arises; if we want to stop the people moving away from religions; what can we do about it?
Well, what we can do, I suppose is hard to say; but we must look closely at all options that we have, and then, decide what could be done. Personally, speaking for myself, I believe that we should review the ways that religions are being taught today, we need to learn what the future generations would like to see in religions and what they would like to change, so that they can still believe in God and religions.
I believe that the best way is to continue to study existing religious beliefs, to see whether they have a double meaning, and then, choose the meaning that would not drive people away from religions. What I have said is one of the reasons that we would like to sort out in the future, while we continue to write these religious writings. I think I have talked about most of my religious views of today.
Then I turned to Gino, and said: Now that we have heard what Mark had to say and you have also heard my views on it, what do you think of our speeches? And what have you found out for yourself? You can say what you want now it is your turn to speak.
These are Gino's comments
Let me talk about Mark speech first: I have to say that Mark and I agree on most of these religious issues, so, there is no point in repeating them, I only would like to say a bit more about the last group of people who we call the atheists, as they need to be noted about their ways of thinking and speeches, especially when they try to ridicule the religious believers. I should say that any religious believer should avoid talking to any of them about religious matters, because soon or later those atheists are inclined to ridicule the religious beliefs of the believers, and because, they are usually good intelligent people, it is hard for any average religious believer to defend themselves from this group.
They attack believers usually by asking proof of the existence of God or any religious matter, so, Mark is right when he calls them the danger group of religious beliefs. We really need to think hard how to defend ourselves from this group, if we want to save religions and keep religions as close as they are today. Let me show you a few examples about what they usually talk about to get the believers off guard.
You believers say that God is Omnipotent, now if God is omnipotent then God should be capable to do anything at all no matter how difficult the task is.
Now, there are many things in the world that need to be fixed, why your God does not fix them? For these reasons we say that your God does not exist at all; and/or if God exists He is not omnipotent, or he is not willing to fix anything, so, your god is not your fatherly benevolent God that you say he is. Therefore, your religious beliefs are flawed, and you would be better off if you don’t believe in your God.
We believe that we are right to assume that there is no God and religions are there only to control people. But that is not all that we want to say, because there is more to say about religious beliefs. You see, when we see that religions in a way fight with each other’s; then we believe that it would have been better if religions did not exist at all. Do you see what we atheist mean? For these reasons we believe that there is no God.
This sort of reasoning goes on with many god’s attributes and they challenge the believers to give proof of the existence of God and its attributes. So, it is hard for any believers to give proof of God and its attributes. How can any believers give proof about God?
And god omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence and many other God attributes?
This is how the atheists attack any believers with this sort of reasoning; they do that because for the atheists God and religion would be better if they did not exist. What can be done to change their attitude is hard to say. But then if nothing is done it can result in more harm to the community, because they will slowly make the believer deny their God. If that happens, then whatever religious guidance and restrains that religions have on the average believer will be lost, so, the world will be worse off, because of this denial of the existence of God and religions.
Now, let me see what I can say about what you just said Frank, I can see that you are trying to find a possible solution, but what sort of solution you could find you don’t know yet, it is just as I was saying it is hard to know what can be done; I have to say that there are times when I think that today’s religions are missing the point, they don’t know how to keep the people believing; because times are changing, but religions are not changing at all, as religious leaders fail to see the need to change.
Therefore, I understand you Frank when you say that something needs to be done, and I say also that perhaps it is time to do something about it and find a way around it. Looking at what has been said, I see something that perhaps can be done, so, may I suggest that we start to read the Bible bit by bit and comment among ourselves how many interpretations can we give to that part of the Bible, it might turn out that there are interpretations that can apply to these modern times.
I hope I have explained myself clear enough in this difficult religious task.
Your speech is clear enough for me I said; then I turned to Mark and asked: what do you think of Gino speech Mark? His speech is very clear for me too (said Mark); in facts it is just about what I would have liked to say myself. But now, where do we go from here I don’t Know?
I suppose I need to say something myself now about what we have talked about; what I see here is the need to review what is written in the Bible, and also think hard if what has been written in the Bible had the right meaning at the time it was written the first time, but today it may not apply any more, and therefore, we may need to adjust these religious things, as the needs of the day suggest. So, let me write my own comment.
Baruch Spinoza Dutch philosopher
FRANK THE WRITER COMMENT
We have talked about many religious issues, in these religious discussions: what you have found for yourself, while you were talking to the people about religious subject, what religious people think and what atheist think, I hope that you may have changed your previous opinion, therefore, now you might be thinking like me; which is that something needs to be done to help religions find a way of peaceful existence, if peaceful existence can ever be found.
But at the same time, we must agree that to achieve complete peaceful existence is not easy, because of the way religions are made, therefore, I hope that you agree with me that religions need to be reviewed, from the religious leaders of today, they need to be in line with the present times, which embrace many changes in all sorts of issues. Having said that, I have to say that at this present time nobody wants to listen to our religious approach, so, there is not much that we can do; but we can always start thinking about the possibilities, about what can be done to solve this religious problem for good.
To do that, let us imagine anything at all that could be able to help us achieve that, let our thinking minds run free with no limits imposed on them, let the sky and beyond be the limit, so that, we are free to think about anything at all.
If we are free to do this, then, I believe we can come up with a religious theory, which allows the existence of all religions as they are today; at the same time find a way to show the people that all religions are one link of the same religious chain, which links religions together, at the highest spiritual point possible; if we can do that, then it is possible to do something about it. I know this is not as simple as it sounds, but if we keep looking we will find the way to show people that.
Now, while searching the Internet, I have found that there was a philosopher called, Baruch Spinoza, 1632-1677 who believed that it is more likely that God may not be the way that religions want you to believe God is; but God is more like Mother Nature, therefore, it is more likely that we are all part of God, and God is everything, so, every living thing in existence is part of God.
So, let us see what this sort of reasoning takes us; if we assume that God is not how we have been taught God is like today; then it may well be that God is more like what Spinoza believed God was like, this may well be the link that we need to find, to link all existing religions together.
Therefore, if we think like Spinoza and add it to the knowledge which we have today, we might be able to describe a god which could co-exist with all existing religions.
So, let us put out minds together and see if we can describe this God for everybody; which we could call God-Most-High. Mark and Gino, what do you think of my idea?
My friends Mark and Gino said; well, it seems a bit strange to us, but your idea is an idea and it might even work, so, let us try to make a list of how this god-most-high could be; just to see if we are able to find a way to Spinoza ways of thinking about, what is God?
Very well I said; you see, a while ago I was thinking this same thing, so, I have already written something about, what is God? So, I am going to show you soon what I wrote:
Looking at the many things that we have discussed in this article, I think that we have said enough in this article, but we will continue with these same religious discussions in next article called, God and the atheist; see you there.
May God help us find the right religious way? For this reason, I will be praying God to help me with this prayer:
Almighty Father, I am praying you with all my heart, my soul and my mind hoping that in your mercy you would guide and help me write these religious writings, Father hear my prayer, amen.
May God bless us all?
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