Religious discussions four
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Welcome to our article (44), religious discussions four.
Dear readers, this article is the continuation of our previous article, religious discussions three, here we are continuing to discuss religious issues, which seem to be endless when we discuss them. You see, whichever way we look at religious issues, we must say that religions are complex and we could go on forever arguing about what is right and what is wrong: which religion is good and which one is not that good; what beliefs could be true and what cannot be true, and above all, does God really exist or is it all an invention of the human mind?
These questions about religions have been asked for ages, today and in the past, and they would for sure arises in the future, if we cannot find a satisfactory way that explains religions in a better way than today. In fact, in the future it might become more urgent to find a good answer to these religious questions, as we move forward to a new era, where everything should be more accurate, because people will have a better perception of seeing things the way they are.
It is going to be so, because now the people could learn a lot faster than they used to learn before, since most people have access to a computer and the computer makes it easy to find any information we want; so, we should ask ourselves what is going to happen to religions when the people realize that there are so many religions, beside their own religious beliefs.
Is it possible that the earth people will ignore this new found knowledge and continue to believe in religions just the way that they have believed for thousands of years?
Or the people will see all these existing religions, and so, they will start to believe that religions could be manmade, this will happen because sometimes I believe that religions are man-made, so, this subject we are going to discuss in our next article, because we believe that these religious questions need to be explained somehow, even if it just the way we see them.
Now having writing many articles about religions, I believe that I have to continue to write about religions, in the hope that with the help of my friends and perhaps God, I can find or suggest a way that will explain religions in a modern way, hoping there is a way and I can find and suggest it here.
With this decision in mind, I am going to talk to our religious friends again about religions, I must explain to them that the reasons why I want to talk to them is that I would like to find out more about religions and how they could help me achieve my goal.
Now that I have explained to our readers what is on my mind, all I must do is to meet with our religious friends and continue discussing these religious issues, hoping that somehow there are some answers to our questions.
Calling on our religious friend
Calling on my friend Mark
A few days after the meeting that we have talked about in the last two articles, I was thinking that I should invite some of my friend’s home again, but then I decided to visit first my more serious and trusted friend Mark, as I wanted to talk to him one to one, instead of talking with all of them.
So, one day I went to see Mark at his home knowing that this was his day off from work, when I arrived at his home there was this other friend with him, but anyhow it was John the bloke that read the end of the Bible in one of our previous articles; The end of time discussions, therefore, the presence of John did not worry me, since John is a religious bloke and religions is what I wanted to talk about. The reason that John was there is that he lives nearby.
Anyhow, when I arrived John was about to leave, but my arrival stopped him, as Mark invited me and him back inside to have a cup of tea or drink something.
Anyhow, we set down and we started to talk, and soon I was talking about a chance meeting that I had with Gino and Peter the previous day and the short religious talk that I had with them, so, I told Mark and John in detail what was said thus;
Gino and Peter believe that man cannot be created from plain dirt, because even God must be subject to the laws of physic or natural laws, and anyhow, if there is really a God, then this God will use first of all the natural laws to create anything.
And then they came up with this theory that the Hebrews wanted their God more powerful than any other god known in the world, so, they invented a god so powerful that could even create a man from dirt. They backed this theory up, with other ways of reasoning that was making sense.
Now, I have come here to have a friendly talk, and, I have come here to talk about what you think about this theory of Gino and Peter. Do you think that it is possible what they have said?
Now if we believe that it could be possible, then for the first time, we have explained the Bible in a different way, so, from now on we have a real challenge ahead of us, as we might find many other religious writings in the Bible that might need to be explained in a new way, and the reason why they have been written the way they have been written.
Now, I would like to know what you think about Gino and Peter theory; and then, if we follow the same path; do you think we could find more how to solve these present religious problems?
I believe that you know already that I am keen to write this new religious theory that could suggest to the world a new way of seeing God and religions, at the same time I know that what I am going to write has got to be a simple religious theory for a start, because not only it would be easier to write it, but it would also be easier for the people to understand and accept it.
The ancient religious Bible
John reaction to their theory
John reaction to Gino and Peter theory
Dear reader, I wish, I could have avoided involving John in these religious talks, but as it happened, he was there, so, it would have been rude to get rid of him. Now we must see what he wants to say, because there is no way to stop him now, (most of the Jehovah witness believer act this way). Anyhow, John is impatient, and he wants to say what he things about Gino and Peter theory, so, even though I have not asked directly his opinion, now I have to hear it anyhow.
I wonder what has gone wrong with Gino and Peter, as they have been my friends for a long time. I don’t really know why they are turning atheist these days. I am saying that they are turning atheist, because that is the only way that I can explain, what they have said about the Bible and the creation of man.
Why are they saying that God cannot create man from dirt, when the Bible says that he did create man from dirt? Why they try to find all these excuses to change the meanings of the Bible when the Bible has been written thousands of years ago from people inspired from God and billions of people believe that it is so?
Why should the Jews invent their own God, as if God needs to be invented? I don’t like to say this, but they should really be ashamed of themselves for saying so many profane things about God and the Bible.
I believe that they are being brainwashed from the atheists, otherwise they would not say or believe what they have said.
What gave John and Gino this idea that the Jews invented their own God in such a way that would be a mighty super God? And then, to show that their God was a super God they made God create man from dirt, as this is an impossible thing to do even for a God. Have they really understood the Bible when is says that God made man as his own imagine?
I really cannot understand what has gone wrong with them to turn to atheism.
Here John started to calm down as he had said what he thought about Gino and John, so, we knew that soon everything would be normal again, and we could have normal discussions. And hear what our friend Mark had to say.
The Indian god Brahma creator of the world and people
Discussions with Mark and John
More religious discussions with Mark and John
Now that John had said what he really wanted to say, we were back to normal discussions, so, Mark started talking and said;
I believe that you have had a real interesting discussion with Gino and Peter, about this creation of mankind in the Bible; but I cannot help thinking that Gino specially when he is with Peter or someone else like him, Gino can tell you some extreme views about the whole situation, therefore, to say that he is becoming an atheist is wrong, because I know Gino very well and I can tell you that sometimes he likes to exaggerate things just for the fun of it, I am telling this specially for you John, because you seem to worry about this religious situation that Gino has got into; do not worry about it my friend, because everything is going to be normal, just the way it has always been.
John said; okay Mark I can see what you mean; but I believe what I believe and I am not going to hold it back, therefore, when I strongly believe that I have to speak out, I will speak out and this is just what I did, okay. Anyhow let us hear what you think yourself about what they said.
And Mark continues to tell us his views; you see Gino and Peter have sometimes extreme views, but when reflecting what they have said in this instance and many other things put together it might not seem that extreme after all, when we use our logic reasoning mind.
So, let us reflect a bit on this situation by using our own intelligence and imagination; first of all there have been always extreme beliefs and views in religious circles, if we look back at history we will find that religions have helped mankind in many ways, especially because it brings friendship to people, you see, although religions are made to follow a god with a set of rules, those people that follow them are bound to discuss these things together, and by discussing and sharing them with other people they become friends, this is one of the best sides of religions. But then on the other side, there are times when religions have done things so extreme and terrible; in order to do these extreme things religions has to have something within it that one may call extreme, otherwise these things do not happen that is how it works out.
You see, you cannot control people just by being nice to them; people need rules to follow and somebody or something that enforces those rules, and that is the reason why religions have been written the way they have been written.
I am sorry to say this John, but what is written in religious books is not always the truth, or the ways that the religious things really are. Therefore, if Gino and Peter have gone out of the way of the beliefs that everybody accept, just because we have been told that that is the truth; then Gino and Peter may have got it right this time, just because what they are saying is just as extreme as the creation of mankind in the Bible, if we use our own logic reasoning mind.
We have also to keep in mind that there are some other major religions that explain the creation of man in different ways; here I am talking about the Indus religions and I quote;
“Hinduism perceives the whole creation and its cosmic activity as the work of three fundamental forces symbolized by three gods, which constitutes the Hindu Trinity or ‘Trimurti’: Brahma - the creator, Vishnu - the sustainer, and Shiva - the destroyer.” End of quote. It is said that mankind sprang from Brahma body and there were four caste, or type of men. As you can see this is somehow different from the Bible creation.
For these reasons, I may as well say well done Gino and Peter, since you have opened a new way on how to challenge those things in the Bible that don’t make sense.
What do you think about all what I have said, Frank and John?
Here Mark stopped talking, so, we exchanged our views about what had been said overall, and then started talking about the weather and the news of the day, because we did not want to continue to talk about the same things, you see even very religious people need to talk about various issues, it is the only way to live a normal life.
Now, reflecting on what has been said above and in the articles before, I believe that Mark is right and perhaps I may really have to meet with our religious friends again in the future, and somehow try to discuss, how we could review what is written in the Bible. You see, I need my friends to back me up, because as you know modifying or changing the meanings in the Bible may sometimes make us feel a bit scared; you know I am still a believer and those curses that are written in the Bible sometimes worry me. This is one of the reasons why, I like to talk to my friends just to feel more confident.
I believe that I have said enough in this article, so, see you next time, where we would be writing about, religions are manmade or could be manmade.
May God bless us all?
Religious links to blogs and sites
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- Major Religions Ranked by Size
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