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Updated on December 28, 2017

From the beginning...the fall of man has led to tremendous overwhelming misery and suffering in the world.Over time,human innovation has magnified and refined our methods and application of"Mans inhumanity to man"to a degree that escapes our ability to comprehend.

Religion tells us that we have corrupted the good and pure nature of the garden given to us by God.There is no argument to refute the fact that we are responsible for the political and social turmoil that has resulted in horrendous acts;Acts perpetrated upon one another in the name of duty,ideology,patriotism,and the most insidious of them all...benevolence.

Scenarios through out history have brought out the dark side of people who,time and time again,take perverse pleasure in making the most obscene demands one person can make on another.The application of human imagination applied to causing desolation in others is abundantly clear to anyone with eyes,ears,and a modicum of objectivity.It is Clear that mankind has generated vast amounts of misery and suffering to the point of the world teetering on the verge of apocalyptic destruction.

The argument put forth by believers is very convincing from this presentation of undeniable facts...all of which are agreed upon by open minded people regardless of their religious stance.So it appears that believers have got it right.If somehow we could make amends,repent,and turn away from our sinful nature,we might return the earth to its beginnings when suffering did not exist and humans lived happily under the loving administration of God.

I believe this is a fair and unbiased presentation of religions position on the cause for the existence of pain,suffering,and misery in the world.This is a very convincing explanation and is virtually irrefutable.....It dose not,however,take into account the whole picture.

Written into the fabric of this world is a level of suffering,Independent of Mankind,that equals if not exceeds that caused by humans.The Suffering and Misery perpetrated by humans upon this earth Pales in comparison to the Natural events that afflict the innocent as well as the guilty...the young as well as the old...the ignorant as well as the educated.The misery meted out through nature is not selective in it's choice of who shall suffer and who shall not.

A Volcano dose not discriminate between the Murderer and the infant...both feel the indescribable mind shattering pain of fire and poison gas as it melts them into grotesque contorted caricatures.

The Tsunami dose not individually select the hundreds of thousands of victims,innocent and guilty alike,who experience the terror of drowning,gasping again and again for air only to have their lungs filled with water...the slow agonizing death of asphyxiation as the body desperately clings to its fading consciousness.

The Drought and subsequent famine does not decide who shall starve to death...or that the toddler,laying on a filthy rag of a blanket,stomach bloated from hunger,so weakened it is unable to move,with not even enough fluid remaining in its body to produce a single tear,has brought upon it's self this fate.The child reaching out to us with it's wide confused eyes.

Rampant disease that devastates the body producing a level of pain that the most powerful drugs can only dull...but not remove....Cancer that consumes,opportunistic disease that decimates the body in horrendous ways.

The effect of mental disorders that have organic origins.....Alzheimer's...The brilliant person who is aware of his brain dying a few cells at a time,his mind descending slowly into madness....the shame and depression as dignity slips away...replaced by dementia and the abandonment that follows.

Can we,in good conscience,Lay this suffering at the feet of a loving,caring,and Just God?

A Loving parent wants there children to learn and mature.We do everything in our power to make that happen in a pleasant or tolerably challenging way for our children.

If the God offered us by today's religions is our loving father,why dose he allow the"Written In Suffering"of this world to exist?Why does he not eliminate It and change our environment to protect us when necessary as we mere humans would do for Our children?

The unmitigated and absolute devotion of today's religionists to their God of love,mercy,and compassion flies in the face of reason,logic,and the misery that billions of people endure daily due to natural events that mankind could not possibly have caused...drought,famine,and geological disturbances.If bad things only happened to bad people I wouldn't be writing this piece but that is clearly not the case as I've already described...a person can live a righteous life making all the right choices and doing everything right...and still loose...

To say that God is all powerful and all loving is a conundrum to say the least.Either he is all loving but cannot remove evil...or he is all powerful and will not remove evil from the cant be both and either one disqualifies him from being God.

If an all in all "I am that I am" God does exist,the human mind cannot possibly comprehend that God.Clearly,our arrogance as a species prevents us from admitting that we cannot possibly understand many of the truly deep enigmas of life...including religions 'God'...who simply isn't there...


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      Norine Williams 18 months ago

      You know what? You have more respect for TRUTH than most "proclaimed" Christians by NOT DELETING!


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      cheaptrick 18 months ago from the bridge of sighs

      I was going to delete but I wanted you to have the last word Norine.Hope this helps ease your mind.

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      Nudely 18 months ago

      If you enjoyed my screed, you'll REALLY love this guy's:

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      Norine Williams 19 months ago

      Just as "man" has outsmarted himself in having dominion and authority over the earth, so has "man" outsmarted himself in his belief in GOD and anyone that represents HIM!

      The joke is on you and the Lake of Fire is not funny!

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      Norine Williams 19 months ago

      You "ignorant" FOOL! If you would only READ the Bible or would just open it up and READ the First Book of the Bible - Genesis, you would KNOW why the world is in such a state which is: "MAN!"

      Genesis 1:26 "And GOD SAID, Let us make MAN in our image, after our likeness: AND LET "THEM" (MAN) HAVE "DOMINION" OVER ...ALL THE EARTH, AND OVER EVERY CREEPING THING THAT CREEPETH UPON THE EARTH."

      So don't blame GOD for what HE gave (MAN) "DOMINION" over! You're just to smart for your own good! You've outsmarted your own selves!

      The jokes on you (MAN)!

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      wifelv 7 years ago from mi

      But we should not think that all pain and suffering was meant to make us or our world better. Some evil is pointless. Some evil comes from our sinful disobedience.

      Despite all that, we can know that God works all things together for our good. Job, was self righetous. Satan sought to test that. His suffering brought him to a place where he was humbled, realizing that he as well as others could befall evil and righteousness does not mean immunity from suffering. My wisdom comes from above and I don't consider myself to have suffered well like Job. Far be it from me ( :

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      cheaptrick 7 years ago from the bridge of sighs

      Beautifully said W.I disagree,but Beautifully said.Lob son Ram-pa said"Wisdom comes to those who suffer well".

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      wifelv 7 years ago from mi

      For we see dimly and yet do not know what we shall be when we see Him face to face. NO suffering at the time is joyful, but it brings the peaceable fruit of righteousness and patience. With out tribulation we would destroy ourselves. It is a necessity and often the only tool that can cause a hardened heart to break. Thank God for these disasters for out of them come much good often unknown to the human heart or eye. We humans hate suffering, but to suffer is to gain. For out of my suffering I found the author of love.

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      Ben Zoltak 7 years ago from Lake Mills, Jefferson County, Wisconsin USA

      Don't worry about a thing, every little thing gonna be alright.

      From the book of Bob

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      soumyasrajan 7 years ago from Mumbai India and often in USA

      Hi! Cheaptrick

      Very nice article. The last sentence does sum up very well. Every one is puzzled about these aspects and more you try to explain, more is the puzzles. There are of course many escapades too and in all religions, one wants "Long live God" much more often.

      But still I do feel all these are just games. Most of the time games of words or thoughts. I think puzzles like this can not be solved just by brain exercises, faith or rational arguments. To understand them well one has to first try to learn to be calm - as calm as possible, under what ever circumstances you are. Hopefully new tools then do evolve. There is again no physical evidence to prove it but spiritualism of all styles all over world do generally relate this via their experiences.

      Here is one ancient story - I do not know whether that provides any comfort to you about your puzzle, but I like the story and feel it is related.

      A king was walking in a forest and he saw a deer being chased by a tiger. He saw that unless he does some thing deer will be killed. He kills the tiger. But after coming back to palace he was still puzzled "Did I do the right thing? After all it is the nature of animal to kill another one for food. That is what the tiger was doing then who am I to interfere in it?"

      He asks his prime minister. The prime Minister told him "Yes! it is true that it is natural process but at the same every one has to do his own duty. As a king your duty is to provide protection to all in your kingdom human, animals etc. and provide them security, justice etc. If you see this being violated it is your duty to stop it. So you did the right thing"

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      Micky Dee 7 years ago

      "Over time,human innovation has magnified and refined our methods and application of"Mans inhumanity to man"to a degree that escapes our ability to understand.

      Religion tells us that We have corrupted the good and pure nature of the garden given to us by God."

      Those words will always "hang with me". Man kills too easily. If the Garden of Eden was real as the Bible is real then man was not to "kill at all not even for food". There were no carnivores in the Garden of Eden.

      But- man continues to toss God's "do not kill" law aside. Then Jesus told us THE law that is in every religion- Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". It's too simple to work -but I am commanded to try. Every person, leader, religion, political party will promote this law as the law or all is false. Thanks cheaptrick! Great food for thought!

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      Ben Zoltak 7 years ago from Lake Mills, Jefferson County, Wisconsin USA

      Well man it's been what, almost two weeks? I still have been thinking about your words. For me, when I peer out into the the universe, the two places where I can't find Big G, are when creatures torture other creatures, and as you also mentioned so eloquently and poetically, when natural disasters strike innocents. I wish that I could, you know, put those anomalies in a pipe and smoke them, but they just don't seem to go away. I can't wrap my noggin around the tragedy of natural disasters killing tens and hundreds of thousands, but I have an inherent inclination to try and stop the bullies from torture, be they pet dogs or politicians. As I put it to an old atheist friend many years ago, "God may be dead, but if anyone could come back to life, I guess it would be God."

      As you said my friend, "god is Dead...Long live God!"

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      Ben Zoltak 7 years ago from Lake Mills, Jefferson County, Wisconsin USA

      Wow Dean, well put, well said. A poem of an article. I'm off to take my newborn son to Devil's Lake (formerly named Spirit Lake by my fellow American Indians) but I'll be back to reread this a third or fourth time. The Great Spirit is inside us and outside everywhere and it is terrible and it is great.

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      Deborah Sexton 7 years ago

      I respect you a lot Cheaptrick. You have always been kind to me and I would never want to offend you/

      This may seem like rambling to you but let me explain how I see it. If nothing else, this long response might raise your hub score :)

      As soon as we put any qualities upon God we limit the Source-of-All. A male God limits God to being not-female. A Merciful Divinity does not have the Righteous severity of being just. A God which is limited cannot be the Ultimate Divinity

      Many people think that Elohyim means Gods. People mistakenly spell it Elohim. The suffix Iym is a masculine plural and yim is a duel plural. Although the word Elohyim is a plural it means Dual. This suffix is used in Hebrew words describing dual sets, like eyes, hands, and God, but not Gods. God is a unity of Duality. Justice and Mercy, Dark and Light, Male and Female.

      Humans separate these aspects and because of it, their minds are always at war.

      It rains on the just and unjust. A parents errors effect the children. In America we have thousands of starving and homeless children, yet the government is constantly sending aid to other countries and ignoring their own, creating tragedy in America. This could be avoided, if HUMANS took care of their own first and others second. This is like cooking dinner for the neighbors kid and not feeding your own.

      Genesis 1:26

      And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have DOMINION over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over ALL the EARTH, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

      Instructions were given to mankind on how to make it possible to succeed in this.

      Earth was given to mankind to be over it. Since mankind was created in God's image, they had the power to keep or destroy the earth and the people.

      Children are created in the image of their parents and everything is passed down to them. Not by God but by the examples of the parents and the authorities.

      Genesis 5:3

      And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image

      When we truly seek God we can walk without fear of what can happen to us.

      Psalm 119:45

      And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

      In Matthew 4: 5-7 It says that the devil told Yahshua if he was the Son of God, to cast himself down from the pinnacle of the Temple (in other words to jump). Yahshua responded by saying "It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God"

      What he was saying that if you put yourself in harms way, or do something stupid like try to escape the forces of gravity, you just might crash to the ground.

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      cheaptrick 7 years ago from the bridge of sighs

      Sorry if I come off as being insulted Deb.I seem to be stuck trying to reconcile the"One God"concept.Many men much more intelligent than I have spent there entire lives attempting to do so and failed.The dualistic view has much more appeal when logic and reason are applied.Pointing out partial explanations and micro examples dose not diminish the over all obvious fact that an equal,if not greater,devastation of humanity that has nothing to do with what man does,permeates the world.Again,I apologize for my poorly worded reply to your post


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      Deborah Sexton 7 years ago

      Actually I was agreeing with you that there are natural laws, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. that hurt people as much as we hurt each other. Children hear the inner voice more than we do. The problem is that usually children have no say so, where they live, and so on. But the adults are a different story. Cancer is caused by man made agents, and from a human papillomavirus from undercooked red meats.

      Some things, you can't run from. Some you can. If a person knows Florida has hurricanes and is afraid of them, maybe they could move someplace else.

      I've been to the point of total devastation and death, and felt complete peace,because I thought "if this is God's will, what better hands could I be in". Than I suddenly escaped the situations.

      I didn't mean to insult anything or anyone

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      cheaptrick 7 years ago from the bridge of sighs

      Hello D.I'm not sure I get your point.How dose your post explain the disasters described in this hub?How does a small child listen to there inner voice?Where do you run from cancer...or tsunami or continental drought?Thanks for stopping buy

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      Deborah Sexton 7 years ago

      I enjoyed your hub Dean.

      There are natural disasters, this is why we are to recognize and listen/heed, the inner voice so we can escape danger.

      God gave us dominion over earth and man causes many of his own problems.

      God's laws are natural and given to us as a gesture of mercy, a diagram of the path we must follow.

      Man can label gravity as good or bad, existent or non-existent..but gravity "is" nonetheless. If a man goes to the top of a building and lets go..well that's his problem.

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      cheaptrick 7 years ago from the bridge of sighs

      Thanks for commenting y'all and thank you for the compliment LG.I believe the diametric oposition of God in a positive sense yet God created all things[which includes evil] runs through the whole thread of modern religion.That is not to say that I do Not believe in God,only that God[once human arrogance is removed from the equation]is not apprehendable by the mind of man.An ant dose not have the capacity to conceive that human beings exist and that scenario is much more likely than humans understanding God.

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      schoolgirlforreal 7 years ago

      You're beyond me, as many writers on here are! But, your statement: It is Clear that mankind has generated vast amounts of misery and suffering to the point of the world teetering on the verge of apocalyptic destruction.

      I agree!! tee hee

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      Lori J Latimer 7 years ago from The River Valley, Arkansas

      You are a good writer!

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      cheaptrick 7 years ago from the bridge of sighs

      If man is the indirect cause of natural disaster...What was the cause before humans came to be?The rational that humans cause the environment to change is a hotly debated subject with many brilliant people arguing both sides.We shall see the out come in future weather phenomena...however[and I say this with all due respect]the idea that people are the cause of volcanic eruption,seismic activity,weather shift due to rotational variations of the beyond reasonable.This earth was created through a cosmic catastrophe,the conviction many people have that they do not originate or belong here is absolutely valid in my opinion.God must be greater than any conception we are capable of.The very act of defining God humanises God and reduces God to just another human story.The best we can say is God Is....and that is where Kierkegaard's"Leap of faith"leaves us.The subtitle of this hub says it all.Thanks for commenting Y'all...and yes...All points of view are very welcome!

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      Twenty One Days 7 years ago

      I agree Paradise. My "unusual" approach to things speaks volumes that it is in fact humans causing natural disasters, without realizing it. A single human being has the power, energy to change years of history, people, places, events near and far. Imagine 7 billion humans daily with over 60,000 suspected thoughts and equal actions to those thoughts multiplied by no less than 6,000 years. How much negative energy is being released. Not to mention the chemically induced energies in the form of paper clips to long range missiles. Every living is effected by it --land, sea and sky. It is, to say the least, astronomical the human ability to do so much damage, doing very little actually. I can imagine the opposite, so much positive energy and its effect to reverse these events in one another and the planet itself.


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      Paradise7 7 years ago from Upstate New York

      I don't quite know how to respond to this. I agree with you, that we are militant, and ugly to each other, and unbelievably harmful to each other, ourselves, our environment and the animals that populate the environment, and that we need a belief system to prevent human chaos in society...

      Nature can be cruel, or what we perceive to be cruel. But nothing happens in nature without a cause. All natural events are causal, if you can understand that concept. The reason for a tsunami, or a volcanic eruption, is all due to the pressures and forces of nature on a large scale, building up, then ripping loose. These things happen because they must; because the physics of the situation demands it.

      It is not an unloving and indifferent God. It is cause and effect; a physical reaction.

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      #1grandson 7 years ago

      I sure enjoyed that one. I need more food like that for my head. thanks man.

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      Twenty One Days 7 years ago

      In Nietzki's short rant, the man runs through the streets shouting the Gods are decomposing! God is Dead!

      The world thinks he is mad. But the environment around him proves it. Why? Because the environment is controlled by humans...indirectly. The umbrella of "grace" removed, loosed chaos on him and his environment, which he was fashioned and created to rule over. Is the environment and events of nature in the hands of a madman called human? Yes. I believe so...

      Hey Dean!

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      Vernon Bradley 7 years ago from Yucaipa, California

      I remember the initial God is Dead declaration, I believe from the University of Alabama in the mid 60's

      The God who lives is far beyond any words, scripture, belief system, far beyond our need to understand the sometimes un understandable.

      THANKS for a THOUGHTFUL work of art.