Are Jehovah's Witness' Moral?

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   JennyDelToroposted 8 years ago

   Are Jehovah's Witness' Moral?
   
   Jehovah's Witnesses don't allow blood transfusions. Lately, I've been reading a lot of articles about Jehovah's Witness women who die shortly after childbirth because they don't accept life-saving transfusions because their cult does not approve of them. Is it moral to force a child to grow up without a mother, and deny a mother the chance to watch her child grow up, just because it's your interpretation of the Bible? The thought of my son being forced to grow up without my love because of a primitive religious belief seems very immoral to me.

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   Aime Fposted 8 years ago

   I think when they're making the choice for themselves then it's their right. I do, however, think it's immoral when they make the choice for their kids. I've seen people talk about not allowing a blood transfusion even if it would save their young child's life and that makes me livid.

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      Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      But murdering an in-utero human being doesn't bother you in the slightest. How very sanctimonious of you ...

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      Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don't recall claiming to be better than anyone else. We all make choices that someone else probably sees as being immoral. I'm sharing my opinion, as was asked of me.

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      Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yet that is the impression both you and Jenny elicit, that you're moral and JWs aren't ...

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      Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That's your perception. All I said was that I think it's an immoral choice and it makes me livid.
      
      I clearly hold beliefs that piss other people off, but I don't take your disagreement as you saying "I'm a better person than you." Should I?

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      Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "All I said was that I think it's an immoral choice"
      
      This is a sanctimonious allegation.

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      Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I've made choices myself that I would say were immoral. I'm not trying to say I'm a better person than anyone else. I'm commenting on *this choice*, not the people who make it.

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   Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years ago

   Do we really want our children to grow up without their mom or dad or vice versa? read more

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      JennyDelToroposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You're evil, man. Your hub said nothing. "Bloodless medicine"? Not the standard the world over, it's murderous lunacy based on one verse in the book of Genesis -- a story written thousands of years ago. You're sick.

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      Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Which is actually meaningful since you're so Pro-Life, right?

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      Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Ugh, this seems like a such a waste. I truly do hope that you get that eternity you believe to be true, it breaks my heart to think of people denying life-saving procedures for nothing and just throwing it all away. Makes me feel ill, honestly.

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      Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      @Aime
      
      Are you also Pro-Life?

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      Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I'm pro-life after a certain gestation, though I see a difference between human beings physically and undeniably alive and a fetus that can't be categorized as easily.

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      Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      @Aime
      
      I don't quite follow. Are you suggesting the murder of, say, a three week child in-utero doesn't make you ill?

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      Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Mmm, wonder which one weighs heavier on the moral scale.
      
      Painless termination of a fetus.
      
      Forcing a slow and painful death on your grown child due to refusal of using modern medicine.
      
      Can't figure it out.

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      Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      @Link
      
      So you're ok with murder so long as it's painless? Now, see, THAT'S evil ...

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      Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Now THAT my dear Joseph is what you would call a straw man

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Link
       
       How in the world is that a Strawman? Did forget you insinuated that the murder of a fetus is painless and that you're ok with that?

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       A zygote does not equal a living, breathing human being with a life outside of its mother's womb.

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Aime
       
       If a zygote is not a human being, what is it?

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       A fertilized egg cell which at *some point* becomes a human being. If you're going to call a zygote a human why not go back even further and call the billions of eggs and sperm humans?

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       Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I was humoring that both were considered murder and drawed a comparison to which is worse, although Im smart enough to know abortion is never straightforward to judge properly.
       Oddly enough Joseph, seems you favor the worse one. Why u hate kidz

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I respect that everyone has their own ideas about when life begins. That's fine. But if you're going to argue that killing, say, a 9 year old is the same as aborting a 3wo fetus... man, I just don't even know where to go with that.

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Aime
       
       So when precisely does an in-utero human being become a human being?

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I, along with everyone else in the world, do not have a definitive answer to that.

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       SirDentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Aime or whoever would like to reply.  Is an embryo in a woman's womb human in nature?

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Sure. But so are a woman's eggs. Are we going to argue that every time a woman has a period she's killing humans?

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       SirDentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @ Aime, a woman's period is a natural process.  Abortion is not natural.  A man who is in an accident ends up in a coma.  Depending completely upon others to care for his, is he still a human being?

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Of course.

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Aime
       
       Why even make that distinction, then, if it isn't meaningful? Withal, your worldview strikes me as hypocritical ...

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       A three week old fetus would show no resemblance to a human being if you took it out of its mother's womb. You would not be able to sustain it by any external means.

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       Stargrrlposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Aime, just because a fetus does not look like a human does not mean you should kill it, and that it does not count. It is the beginning of a human.  Life has started.

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       That's your opinion and I 100% respect it and believe you have every right to hold it. I myself would never have an abortion. I just think it's muddier than that - and I most definitely don't think you can compare a zygote with a grown child or adult

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       SirDentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @ Aime.  I disagree but thank you for keeping it civil.  Once the egg is fertilized, it has the essence of a human being.  Same with the man in a coma.  Neither can survive without outside help.

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       Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Absolutely loved that topic jump by Joseph to try and make Jenny/Aime out to be the bad guy for possibly not being pro life while ignoring he would let a grown child die due to his beliefs.
       Am I the only one who noticed the hypocrisy...?

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Link
       
       Had you read my Hub in response to this question you'd see how there is NO hypocrisy on my part.

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       Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Mmm, I did read it Joseph.
       
       Did I misunderstand the part where you wouldnt rely on a blood transfusion to save your child? I hope I did, because that sounds significantly more evil compared to "murdering" a embryo/fetus.

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Link
       
       Think of it like this, why would anyone jeopardize their child's eternal life in exchange for this temporary one we're all fated to?

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       And see, my question would be... Why would anyone jeopardize the tangible, concrete life their child is living for an eternal life they can't guarantee is real?

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       Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Your deflections never fail to impress. Bravo Joseph.

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Aime
       
       God doesn't lie: http://bit.ly/15XCebD

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I'm sure he doesn't... if he exists.

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Aime
       
       Thankfully, He most certainly does: http://bit.ly/1Ao84je

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Well it's nice that you can be so certain, I guess.

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Aime
       
       What an odd thing to remark
       
       With all of the irrefutable evidence for his necessary existence, why wouldn't I be?

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       You and I have very different definitions for "irrefutable" it seems.
       
       Anyway, not sure I'd want to believe in a God who thought it was appropriate to make me deny my child a life saving procedure and then watch them die. That seems cruel.

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       But don't we all have to die?

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       Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Starting to sound a little death culty now.

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Hardly. We love life which is why we cling to our Creator so strongly for only He can grant us life everlasting. Don't you want to live forever?

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       If you love life wouldn't it make sense to do everything you could to keep yourself/your loved ones alive?

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       Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Sure Joseph.
       Shooting laser beams from my fingertips might be a little cooler though. X-ray vision and telepathy would be even better.

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       We do yet why do so at the cost of sacrificing ETERNAL life? Don't you want to live forever?
       
       @Link
       
       Then I invite you to accept your Creator's loving gift of life everlasting: http://bit.ly/15XCebD

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Sure, that would be great. But I don't see any guarantee here and I don't care to gamble my own (and especially not my child's) life on it.

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       If you consider the evidence with an open heart and an open mind you'll join the millions the world over who have every reason to believe it is guaranteed: http://bit.ly/15XCebD

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Isn't it possible that I've already done that but just come to a different conclusion than you?

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       Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Aime
       
       Do you mean you've already studied the Bible from Genesis to Revelation?

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       Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I have, yes, I identified as a Christian for several years.

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   SirDentposted 8 years ago

   I was hesitant to answer the question but decided to go ahead and jump in.  JWs are worried that it might show their faith to be weak if they go to doctors, along with every other denomination of believers.  The fact is, our faith is weak nearly all the time these days.
   
   We want to show how strong we are but we end up getting worse off because of the pride we have in our (weak) faith.  We are not supposed to be prideful of anything.  Pride is what caused Satan to be cast out of heaven and it will cause us to stumble and fall.
   
   When Jesus healed anyone in the Holy Bible, He would say, "Your faith has made you whole.  Go and sin no more" 
   
   In finalizing, we are weak in the faith because we have so much to depend upon rather than God.  We seek to fulfill our own desires instead of looking to God for our needs.  A child should not be forced to live without either or both parents.

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      Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You forget that Christ taught, "Those who are healthy do not need a physician, but those who are ill do." (Luke 5:31) How, then, is taking our children to see a doctor when they're sick a display of "weak faith"?

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      SirDentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The "physician" Jesus spoke of was Himself.  The Word of God says, "By His stripes we are healed."  It is all by faith.  Weak faith, gets weak results.  Strong faith, gets strong results.

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      Joseph O Polancoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      1 Peter 2:24,25 explains how Isaiah 53:5 applies to Christ and his sedulous followers and it most certainly does not signify that we should not see a doctor when we're sick.

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      SirDentposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      James 5:15  And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

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