Is it okay for Indian-based computer companies to rip off Americans?

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   delleaposted 11 years ago

   I'm asking this question because so many people I know have been ripped off by Indian-based computer scams, so many in fact that I just had to write some hubs about them. They cold-call American computer owners claiming that they work for Dell, Microsoft, etc. They tell their victims to enter commands into their own computers, allowing these Indian scammers to remotely log into the victims' computers, take them over, steal information, and leave viruses and spyware behind! Some of them even go as far as reprogramming the victims' routers and modems with DNS redirects so that they can read all of their victims' internet traffic! All this in mind... do you feel that Indian-based computer companies should be allowed to do this to Americans?

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   anusha15posted 11 years ago

   It's such a strange way of sharing something... Why should be people from any nationality be allowed to do such stuff to people of any other nationality?? Anti-social elements don't belong to a specific nationality. Nobody should be allowed to this stuff, but the problem is, they don't ask for permission.Warning off people by sharing what has happened with you, is a commendable job, and I respect you for writing hubs about it. Many other people will benefit from your incidence sharing. They'll be careful and won't share sensitive information with strangers.
   
   But still, framing questions and titles which send out vibes of discrimination and hatred in really uncalled for. Every day, lot of computers in Indian companies are being hacked, supposedly from China, Korea. Cyber crime victims are not confined to America and Cyber crime criminals are not confined to India.
   
   The world is so full of all kinds of discrimination. I would request you to share your experiences and feelings with an unbiased mind. Some people are hopelessly driven by their greed, they forget their national responsibilities. And I despise such people. But please, don't let their greed and their deeds effect a clean heart, and a clear mind.
   
   I hope you would understand my concern.

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      delleaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I do understand your concern, but I also see that way too many people pull out the discrimination card whenever they are made to answer point-blank for some sort of evil that they do or crime that they commit, and that's wrong. As I stated originally, I am not discriminating, I am telling the absolute truth, that a large number of people from a specific nationality are purposely working for computer companies whose entire directive is to hack other countries' computers (primarily the USA where I'm from) AND they are getting paid for it. So, in defense of the title and the topic of discussion... this topic is not discrimination, it is the honest truth, and it isn't right that the people committing the crimes hide behind the discrimination plea to justify the crimes they are committing.
      
      Also, my intentions for asking such a question is primarily to understand the heartless mentality of such people. How can anyone, despite their nationality, put their common sense and good conscience aside and actually get paid to work for companies and for people who so obviously and so intently rip off consumers of another nation!?!?!?
      
      I work so hard to help people by fixing their computers, and not just the rich or businesses but also people who can barely afford to own a computer in the first place, and for Indian computer criminals to purposely target the underprivileged and take advantage of them so that they can steal their money remotely from another country (and to get away with it most of the time) . I put my heart and soul into helping people, and a person's computer can be entirely destroyed by these foreign criminals by a single phone call... it's very upsetting!
      
      What's also upsetting is that quite a few of the Indians that are responsible for such computer crimes also frequent the forums and such here on HubPages on a daily basis... some of them have gone as far as harassing me on HubPages as well as through my own web sites, in feeble attempts to defend themselves for the crimes they commit simply by proclaiming that I have discriminated against them!
      
      You mean to tell me that Indians have no other choice but to work as computer criminals to make money? I'm having a very hard time believing that to be the case... there thousands of reputable, moralistic jobs out there that people can do without having to destroy other peoples' lives and property! And again, all of this is not discrimination, all of this is my attempt at getting these cyber criminals (who also frequent HubPages) to publicly explain themselves and why they choose to use their power and knowledge to commit such atrocities against other people!

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         anusha15posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         All I said was, no one from any nationality should be allowed to con anyone else. Discrimination card and similar terminology doesn't come into play till someone start getting biased and saying, since one of these people have done something wrong, everyone from this group is bad. That's the basis of lot of hatred.
         
         The forum title could have been, "Have you ever experienced/heard off computer scam from Indian based companies?" Even if you intent was to genuinely warn against Indian accent, which I don't really think was the case here, a similar title and according description could have sufficed.
         
         As far as understanding the mentality of criminals is concerned, no one in their right minds would commit a fraud and come and express their "Valuable" opinions expressing their mentality on an open forum like this.
         
         Such titles are generally meant to attract attention, to make sensitive people angry on behalf of innocent victims. "Should they be allowed.." sounds like a cheap tactic of provoking people. And see, I'm sitting here wasting my time replying to this once again. I say, wasting my time, because after reading your post, and specially the part, "You mean to tell me that Indians have no other choice but to work as computer criminals to make money? I'm having a very hard time believing that to be the case...", I've understood that people are capable of reading and understanding non-existent and unrelated stuff from a humble attempt of clearing the air.
         
         You know what, there are more truths about so many other nations including but not limited to USA, which can be even more shocking. Nobody explains exploitation and such crime, if they try they are foolish, and that's because of a simple reason. There is no explanation for such deeds.

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   FatFreddysCatposted 11 years ago

   Those scams aren't just from India...and anyone dumb enough to fall for them deserves whatever they get...

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      anusha15posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sometimes I miss the FB Like button at other places

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         delleaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         People who like such sarcasm are part of the problem, not part of the solution....

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      delleaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      So you're saying that such criminal activities are okay as long as you're not dumb enough to fall for them? Sounds like a pretty selfish existence to me...

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         psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         So you are saying criminal activities are only bad if they are carried out by people from India?

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            delleaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I'm saying that criminal activities that are carried out by Indian cyber criminals who claim to be official tech support specialists for well-known companies that they don't even work for is a crime. I'm also saying that said individuals who go about taking $200 from retired senior citizens' credit cards to supposedly clean up and fix their computers, yet in turn they remotely log in and implant spyware and viruses (and reprogram DNS entries) to track their victims... is a crime... is it not? And if Indian cyber criminals are committing said crimes... are YOU saying that such frauds are not "bad" or are not guilty of the crime because they are in fact Indians?

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               psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I am saying more of these calls come from Americans than from Indians.  And scum are scum, regardless of nationality.

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            delleaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Thinking on this a bit more, you are implying that an Indian cyber criminal is not "bad" and is not guilty of the crimes they commit, because the fact that the mere mentioning of their nationality frees them from the responsibilities of committing the crimes, because it is "prejudice" or "discriminatory" to point out the fact that a cyber criminal is an Indian and committing said crimes remotely from India? Now I totally understand what you mean...

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               psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               We commented on you specifying a nationality.  A critique you have yet to engage with in any meaningful way.  For example is there evidence the majority of phone fraud comes from this source?  In the US most seems to be domestic but the FBI did recently mention that is is becoming more international.
               
               I think telling people the problem is Indians might lead them to feel spuriously safe is the inquiry comes from the US or France or Canada.  We need to focus on what call types are suspicious and what to do as a result, not where the call originates.

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                  delleaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm sorry, but I don't believe in "mystic-psychology" so using it in your responses to me to refute the obvious is simply a waste of our time... but you keep demanding evidence, so here it goes. If you have spent any amount of time on the internet within the past few years or so it's quite obvious that an endless number of Indian computer scams have victimized computer users. And sure the U.S. Federal Government shut down about a half dozen of these scam companies, but they are still out there, and in fact they are thriving and on the rise today so the Fed's actions had no real affects whatsoever. Here is a comprehensive list of links, linking to articles and computer users' own accounts of the ongoing Indian computer scams... and also note that every single one of them mentions the word/nationality of "Indian", also note that I did not write any of these items though I have written a few hubs of my own on this very subject...
                  
                  GreekGeek on HubPages
                  
                  Malwarebytes
                  
                  Microosoft Answers
                  
                  More Microsoft Answers
                  
                  Arstechnica
                  
                  More Arstechnica
                  
                  Guardian UK
                  
                  ZDNet
                  
                  DSLReports
                  
                  Wired UK
                  
                  BBB
                  
                  We Live Security
                  
                  MSDN
                  
                  FTC
                  
                  Lassen PC
                  
                  Read all of those links, then let me know if you have any questions. If you respond and you're still refusing to accept my proof for Indian Computer Scams, then I know you're just toying with my and wasting our time and I will ignore your responses.

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                     psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     1) What mystic psychology?  I am a radical behaviorist; I don't even believe in the soul or the mind.
                     2) When did I say there are no Indian based scams? I just said there are more American ones than Indian ones.  I got that from the FBI website.

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      delleaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      BTW, most of the people that fall victim to this scam are elderly retired folks who are trying to scrape a living off from a meager Social Security check... so you think that such people are "dumb" for falling for such schemes? Did you ever consider that our elderly people come from a different generation, a generation where people used to trust each other, people stood by their words and promises, and cyber criminals didn't exist? I bet you didn't consider these things either...

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      delleaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      And finally, in our area these fake computer scam calls are all coming from Indian "computer technicians". I know that these scams are not from India alone, but in our area nearly all of the calls are coming from people with Indian dialects.

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   FatFreddysCatposted 11 years ago

   Wow. Over-sensitive much?

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   delleaposted 11 years ago

   You're right, it's not a warning against people with an Indian accent, but if people call up your home with said accent claiming that they are from Dell, Microsoft, etc and that they know there is something wrong with your computer, it is an obvious scam to most people and people should just hang up. However, as noted, many elderly and retired people are falling for these scams, and these are the very people who don't have very much money to begin with. In fact, I have helped many of the victims of these Indian computer scams at no extra charge so I could restore their computers without further hurting their wallets.
   
   And my comment stating "should they be allowed" is primarily a poke at the US Federal Government because they aren't doing much in these cases to prevent them from continuing. I have supplied the Feds with plenty of hands-on evidence in a couple of cases yet still so little has been done. I understand that cyber crime is hard to prosecute but if the criminals are known and evidence is presented then more effort should be put into cracking down and preventing said operations in the first place.
   
   In closing, people explain the motives of crime and exploitation all the time... they do so on a daily basis on American television, so I don't see why people wouldn't do so in an open forum discussion like this, where some of them hang out regularly, to at least defend themselves and the mentality and drive behind what they are doing.

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   delleaposted 11 years ago

   You're dodging the stated problem with sarcasm, I'm not being oversensitive about anything, just amazed that you could simply blow off crime against unfortunate people as a joke. But maybe I shouldn't be surprised because it appears to me that most people don't even care as long as they aren't personally affected by it. This world is turning into a very selfish world indeed!

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      psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You are dodging the reply that focusing on India implies a certain level prejudice because you find one nationality especially culpable of a crime that occurs internationally.

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         delleaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         If 99% of the incidents within our area have been initiated by those who speak with an Indian dialect, deceitfully claiming to work for Dell and Microsoft, AND are using American VoIP numbers that are redirected back to India... where is the point of prejudice? If an Indian company with Indian employees commits a crime and there is substantial proof beyond a reasonable doubt to support it, how is that prejudice?

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         delleaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Also the core topic of this thread is Indian cyber criminals... since this is the core topic, how is mentioning the fact that they are Indian being prejudice at all, when it's a proven fact and the core topic of the thread?

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   delleaposted 11 years ago

   Point taken, and may be the reason for toying with me? Also, could you at least provide the link(s) to prove your point... that "there are more American ones than Indian ones"... and remember that we are staying on the topic of Indian telephone-based computer scams here, so any evidence outside of that scope will be considered a moot point. Thank you.

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