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New Here - And Can't Figure Out Why Moderators Removed My Amazon Ads

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    rcmandevilleposted 8 months ago

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm new to HubPages and I have a featured article that is over 1600 words. I joined the external Amazon Affiliate program, and then I featured three books written by other people, all of which directly related to the subject I was writing about. Within a few hours, all three Amazon capsules were removed by Hubpages editors. I have written the hubpages team to ask why, but wonder if any of you might know here.

    Thanks so much!

    Rebecca

    1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image93
      TIMETRAVELER2posted 8 months ago in reply to this

      As I understand it, you can't just link to books that relate to your topic.  You must say that you linked to them and why they are the most appropriate ones and give examples.  Just linking loosely is not going to get it.  Also, if you have linked to three different books, that is probably two too many.  Why would you need to display three books about the same topic?  I'm pretty sure that's their thinking.

    2. Christy Kirwan profile image
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      Christy Kirwanposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Hi Rebecca,

      The rules vary on a case by case basis, but products should always be very minimal on an article that isn't geared toward sales. For example, if your Hub is about the "10 Best Books for Reconnecting with Your True Self" more products would be considered appropriate because your readers are presumably there to shop for books about this topic. But your Hub is not intended to sell but to detail your experience with a dysfunctional family and recovering yourself and to offer advice for others. Your readers aren't coming with the intention to shop, so if you include any products, make sure they are for the reader's benefit and that you explain why you are including them and what you liked about them personally. What was your experience reading those books and why did they help you reclaim your childhood and true self in a way you couldn't have without them? Why are you recommending them to your readers instead of other similar books on the same subject? Include as many details about your personal experience with the products as possible.

      A good rule of thumb is: if the article is just as informative and helpful without the products, leave them out. Less is pretty much always best except in Hubs written with shopping in mind.

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        rcmandevilleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Hi Christy,

        NOW I understand. Thank you so much for your eloquent and thoughtful answer. I misunderstood, thinking that Hubpages WANTS us to use the Ad capsules. And that we should try to fit them in, as appropriate, and if connected directly to our article. But that is apparently not the case. They prefer you do not use the ad capsules at all, if possible, unless it is a 'sales' article. Am I hearing you correctly?

        1. Christy Kirwan profile image
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          Christy Kirwanposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Yes, I guess that's a fairly accurate way to look at it, with the exception that products which are truly important to the reader's experience SHOULD be included. In other words, if there was a book that changed your outlook or that was deeply important to your personal journey of finding yourself, you should include that book in the article and talk more about your experience with it and how it helped you because it might be equally valuable to your readers. Hope that makes more sense!

          Product Capsules are kind of a balancing act. It's good to offer items that are necessary or deeply helpful to the reader for accomplishing the task discussed in the Hub, but you must also be careful not to spam readers with products when they are really just looking for information.

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            rcmandevilleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Got it. Because I am a licensed Psychotherapist, the books I included I know for a fact are enormously helpful to people who read them - my clients, and others. So this is why I was disappointed that they were snipped. But I also understand that we don't want our articles to look spammy. I am also grateful that my first hub was published and featured while I am still in boot camp, so I certainly do not want to appear to be complaining. However, I spent hours scanning the HubPages' learning links and tutorials and really never got a clear answer on this, and I seem to not be the only one, based on other forum discussions I have read.

            1. Christy Kirwan profile image
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              Christy Kirwanposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              If that's the case you should be able to include all 3 of the books as long as you discuss your experience with recommending each to your clients, how they helped, etc. smile

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                rcmandevilleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                Ah, that is the part I likely missed. I am actually impressed that human moderators read our work, even if it results in snipping. I do like the fact that there is quality control here. Thank you once again, Christy. I am so glad I posted my question here, because you and others on this thread have already given me such wonderful advice and ideas - I will surely benefit from it all.

                1. Christy Kirwan profile image
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                  Christy Kirwanposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  My pleasure, and don't hesitate to post in the Forums if you have any more questions. Either I or experienced writers can usually be of help. smile

            2. Will Apse profile image90
              Will Apseposted 8 months ago in reply to this

              HP should have a look at their learning center and try to make it clear that Amazon ads should only be used in certain circumstances.

              I know that when I started, I thought that using Amazon capsules was sort of mandatory. I also thought that the ads the capsules recommended when you used the 'search for keywords' feature were rock solid trustworthy, which they are not.

              1. Christy Kirwan profile image
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                Christy Kirwanposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                We do our best to offer general guidelines for product capsules in the Amazon Learning Center Entry.

                1. Will Apse profile image90
                  Will Apseposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                  That advice is a lot better than I remembered it.

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                    paradigmsearchposted 8 months ago in reply to this

                    I've been following this thread.

                    This is what a moderator's face looks like when they stumble across an Amazon ad (I have it from an inside source).
                    http://www.cdc.gov/features/dog-bite-prevention/dog-bite-prevention_456px.jpg
                    Simple as that.

                    And apparently they're even more brutal on the niche sites, http://hubpages.com/community/forum/135 … ost2802027

  2. Jesse Drzal profile image81
    Jesse Drzalposted 8 months ago

    Hard to say without seeing what you had, but from taking a quick gander at your musings there can't be many Amazon items that match the subject matter, other than books per se.

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      rcmandevilleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Thanks for replying. Am I allowed to link here to my featured hub so you can see it? Yes, all three items were books that directly related to what I was writing about in the paragraphs (one book per paragraph. Paragraphs were spaced apart from each other). I am not affiliated with any of the authors in any way, so I am confused. I see people link books to their hub articles all the time here. Thanks again, Jesse.

      1. Jesse Drzal profile image81
        Jesse Drzalposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        You can link to your own Hubs in the forums, sure.

        1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image93
          TIMETRAVELER2posted 8 months ago in reply to this

          actually, no, you can't.  It is generally against the TOS to link to your hubs here because it is considered to be self promotional.  However, in certain circumstances you can, for example, when you ask for help with improving a hug.

          1. Jesse Drzal profile image81
            Jesse Drzalposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Ok, only for QAP purposes then. Thank you for clarifying, T2

      2. Jesse Drzal profile image81
        Jesse Drzalposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        Your best bet may be to drop Hubpages an email and ask for clarification.

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          rcmandevilleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          OK, I did do that today, hopefully they will reply. The hub in question is http://hubpages.com/health/chainfreeliving
          Thanks again!!

          1. Jesse Drzal profile image81
            Jesse Drzalposted 8 months ago in reply to this

            Ok wait a second. Do you have an Adsence account?

  3. Jesse Drzal profile image81
    Jesse Drzalposted 8 months ago

    http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/contents 

    Here is a link to the learning center, it's all laid out in here as for as earning money on the site, as well as creating content.

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      rcmandevilleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I looked at that prior to doing the Earnings Program, but maybe I missed something. I thought if I was using an external Amazon affiliate (as I only have one hub) it was allowed. I guess I am confused. Oh well, I will try again when I have more content up. Best, Rebecca

      1. Jesse Drzal profile image81
        Jesse Drzalposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        I don't think you can just use an Amazon affiliate anymore. Perhaps someone else can chime in but I do not think so.

        1. TIMETRAVELER2 profile image93
          TIMETRAVELER2posted 8 months ago in reply to this

          I think you can, but it pays about half as much as the HP Amazon thing.  I'd ask the team to clarify that, but I think most people use their personal affiliates on their own sites but the HP affiliate here simply because it's easier and it does pay much more.

  4. Will Apse profile image90
    Will Apseposted 8 months ago

    Susana S suggested a simple way to assess a particular page's suitability for Amazon ads. Search Google for the keywords and see if there are any pages in the search results with Amazon ads.

    If Google has worked out that a particular search term indicates a desire to buy something then you will soon notice the affiliate ads.

    Pages really should meet readers needs rather than your own.

    1. Jesse Drzal profile image81
      Jesse Drzalposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      I'm using very little Amazon right now. Many do not have any.

      1. Will Apse profile image90
        Will Apseposted 8 months ago in reply to this

        If rcmandeville wants to use Amazon book ads a title like the 'The 10 Most Telling Books about Lost Childhood' would be a better bet.

        It is a big subject and the phrase 'Lost Childhood' means different things to different people so there is plenty of scope.

        You could cover everything from poor parenting (vast subject) to social pressures (vast subject).

        I would never use Amazon ads on a page that gave no indication in the title that the page was aimed at people searching for something to buy.

        I know that someone will turn up and say, 'I use them on my blog and it is no problem', but unsupported anecdotal evidence pales if you look at the way the vast majority of successful sites use affiliate ads. They are used in special categories, clearly labelled 'store' or 'product reviews' and visitors arrive looking for ads to click.

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          rcmandevilleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          I am really confused now, although I appreciate the discussion. I am new to hubpages and new to using ads. Again, the books I referenced are directly related to the content of my article on this hub page. It enhances the article to have them there, in my opinion. Is it best to directly cite the books if I am going to place these resources there? Also, the titles of the three books I included contain the word "True Self', so they were all directly related to my title. Meeting the readers needs is why I decided to start hubs here. I have no concerns about making money; I am simply annoyed because these very good book resources were removed.
          Thanks Again, Rebecca

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          rcmandevilleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

          Will Apse, again, I am new here, and you have provided me with some wonderful suggestions and ideas, which I plan to implement very soon. Thank you so very much! -Rebecca

  5. SmartAndFun profile image93
    SmartAndFunposted 8 months ago

    rcmandeville,

    Yes, you can use Amazon as your sole source of income on HP. However, I recommend getting an AdSense account and adding the HP ad program, if possible.

    The rules keep changing here at HP, but I believe this is the latest regarding Amazon products, from this Learning Center article: http://hubpages.com/learningcenter/publ … standards:

    "Remove any Amazon or eBay products that are not directly related to the content of your Hub (e.g. any products are not explicitly mentioned in your Hub's content)"

    I think you will find success if you use only one or two Amazon products, and mention both of them specifically in your article as being helpful, interesting, important, etc. Also tell WHY. Then place the Amazon ad on the page near the text which specifically recommendeds the item.

    I'm not sure if this is foolproof, but it just might work. If it doesn't work, whittle it down to one product and see if that helps.

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      rcmandevilleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Thank you so much for this info'. I did put two back in, and they snipped one. However, the one they left in did specifically get mentioned in my text. So I will be sure to do that from now on. I have to say that overall I really like the community feeling here thus far, and I plan to stay. I'm sure things will get easier as I figure things out. It would be great if HP made a clear policy in writing around all this, with examples. Just sayin'. Best, Rebecca

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      rcmandevilleposted 8 months ago in reply to this

      Also, I did apply for AdSense, but  I was rejected as I don't have enough content yet, which I understand. I will apply again later.

 
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