Experimenting

To understand the purpose of this hub you would have to read my hub Synthetic Weed (currently banned from HubPages). Writing it inspired me to experiment with a variety of herbs particularly those used in herbal smoking blends. To my knowledge, all the herbs used in these blends are safe, although there are some herbs that are harmful and toxic to the human body, but many have extraordinary qualities and medicinal uses and have been used by a variety of cultures for thousands of years.

Slowly the products I ordered are arriving giving me the opportunity to experiment at a slow pace. I ordered from different companies depending on price, reviews, and reports of the quality. The JWH-018 compound arrived last so I was able to experiment with all the herbs before adding the synthetic compound. I just ordered my JWH-018 from Mountain Industries. They seem to have the best quality and ratings. You do not want to buy from a poor source or unknown source.


Let the experimenting begin...products in most herbal blends

Salvia - I was so excited... I was so ready to try it, and I was so disappointed when I did. I rolled it into a joint (which later I read is the worst way to smoke it)... nothing happened. So I decided to grind the entire bag into powder (in my dad's coffee grinder).

I just smoked a few bowls of freshly grounded powder, and I feel pretty intoxicated. I added a little weed in the mix, but not enough to make a difference. I rate smoking it a pretty good but weird buzz, but look forward to researching how to make my own extract, tea, or tincture. I cannot forget that I have babybean coming, and it is supposed to quadruple the effects of salvia. I rolled a blunt mixed with weed, peppermint (for flavor), and powered salvia. Didn't work well at first... ran bad. The last half of the blunt smoked nice. I still did not achieve the desired effects I was looking for.

Remember: I ordered the leaves... NOT EXTRACT. Companies make the extract much more potent, but from smoking enough of the powdered leaves I personally didn't like the salvia experience. I did make a tincture, and I have mixed it with orange juice but no effects to my satisfaction. I really don't trust how companies make their own extracts after doing my research.

Peppermint - I brewed some peppermint tea, and it tasted really good with a few teaspoons of sugar.

Rock Blooms - I was really hoping this product would give me some visionary experience (like advertised), but I felt little to nothing at all. One article I read stated orange juice may activate an important ingredient in Rock Blooms. Sorry, but that didn't work either.

Baybean - The leaves were very dry. Remember I only bought this as a potentiator for salvia. I did not notice much of a difference, if any at all.

Blue Lily - The smoke was nice and mellow. I smoked two bowls. It made me feel... disappointed.

Wild Dagga - I smoked this with the Blue Lily to enhance any effects, but I was not satisfied. It leaves a horrible after taste.

Red Clover - It has arrived, but I do not plan to try adding it to any herbs at this time. I may make some tea with it and add peppermint for flavoring.

The baybean and red clover smoke well rolled as cigarettes. The smoke didn't taste bad and wasn't too harsh. But WHY smoke baybean and red clover? I guess because it is what I'm going to use to spray my JWH-018 on.


I tried to make tea out of a powdered blend of salvia, blue lily, rock blooms, baybean, and peppermint, but the tea was gross... even undrinkable (I am still waiting on my tea infuser). I even added a lot of sugar... needed honey and probably could have just tried blue lily (will wait on tea infuser to make individual teas).

I can definitely conclude that what I smoked from the head shop was mixed with the JWH-018 compound.

These herbs alone do very little to nothing at all for a regular cannabis user.

Well I just couldn't wait around with all these herbs and disappointment, so I decided to go ahead and order the JWH-018 compound... I just couldn't wait till next month. It will arrive in 4 days.





JWH-018 (1 gram - $40) - an analgesic compound (fine white powered substance) developed by Dr. John W. Huffman that produces effects very similar to that of THC. Users may experience more of an intense effect than that of cannabis. JWH-018 or herbal blends containing the compound are becoming illegal in some countries and in some parts of the United States. Many people are smoking JWH-018 because it is currently legal, and they can pass drug tests, although, little has been researched about JWH-018 and the negative affects it can have on a person's body.

The day before the JWH-018 arrives...

I bought a 5th of everclear and mixed about 400 ml with my blended herds (all except peppermint), including salvia to make a tincture. I have been shaking it every few hours, and I will do this for 1 -2 weeks.  It has been two weeks, and the tincture is totally gross.  I can't bear to drink it with anything because of a overpowering dirt taste.  I do not know if any flavor can save this stuff.


JWH-018 Gets 3 Stars

Products
Ratings (out of 5 stars )
Comments
Herbs
1 star
Little to no effects when smoked alone; making about 4 oz of tincture
Salvia
2 stars
Had to smoke a lot of powdered leaf to feel effects; making about 2 oz of tincture
JWH-018
3 stars
The reason this gets 3 stars is b/c it's SYNTHETIC; BUT IT DOES GET YOU HIGH

My herbal blend... Strawberry Fields (trademark)

After trying all the herbs, I decided to mix bay bean and red clover for my herbal blend. It blended to a pretty green and reddish color. Few stems and of course you have no seeds.

One HUGE advantage to making your own herbal smoke is

YOU KNOW WHAT'S IN IT!!

Facts about Bay Bean:

  • Bay Bean is a vine found in tropical and subtropical beach dunes throughout Mexico and parts of South America.
  • It is considered sacred by South Americans and ancient cultures of the Gulf Coast.
  • It is know to be potentially psychoactive.
  • Bay Bean is a known to be a strong potentiator for other herbs (like marijuana).

Facts about Red Clover:

  • Red clover is a perennial herb that commonly grows wild in meadows throughout Europe and Asia and has now been naturalized to grow in North America.
  • It has also been used medicinally to treat a number of conditions such as cancer, whooping cough, respiratory problems, and skin inflammations
  • Red clover is a source of many nutrients including calcium, chromium, magnesium, niacin, phosphorus, potassium, thiamine, and vitamin C.
  • It has been found to be helpful in quitting smoking.

OK...

I've gone a whole day smoking nothing but my own herbal blend, and I am baked. I just put a joint out, and what blows my mind the most is that this is completely legal. LEGAL FOLKS! Do not get me wrong there are negative and positive impacts involved here, and if your thinking about feeling stoned... this stuff will do it. I do not condone this over smoking marijuana. This is NOT the safe alternative. WHY? Simple because we know little about the compound, and it's man made. Although there ARE benefits, it's legal in most states (for now).... and just because it's legal does not make it safe.

LEGALIZE MARIJUANA!

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Day Two...

My friend wanted to try my blend, and she was stated that she was high... she claims she even got lost in a gas station, but she is just as concerned as I am about the safety of this relatively new legal  drug.  I'm satisfied for now smoking my blend.  I actually enjoy the high.  I am very creative and inspired after smoking it.  I will be finishing a hub that I started last night within a couple of hours called The History of Drugs.  This whole experience inspired me to piece it together.

Day Three...

I've been smoking my blend regularly.  I've noticed no negative side effects yet.  I actually drank a little in some orange juice and slept like a baby.  I noticed that every time I smoke it I think of a new hub or begin editing a new or recent one.  I'm still NOT pro-JWH-018.  I believe it gives more of a reason the prohibition of marijuana should end.


2 Weeks...

Its been two weeks, and I've gotten 3 people STONED off my herbal blend. It is all I've been smoking, besides a bowl of real bud every few days. The highs compared between JWH-018 and marijuana are exactly the same with a few exceptions. There maybe a more addictive quality to JWH-018; I smoke several joints a day... the buzz only seems to last 30 to 45 minutes. Your eyes do get blood shot, it does affect short term memory like marijuana. I do not notice the munchies, but there are other reports on the internet that people do.

I plan to purchase another gram of JWH-018 as well as another synthetic cannabinoid called JWH-250. I will purchase more Bay Bean and Red Clover. I plan to mix 3/4 of a gram of JWH-018 with 350 ml of everclear and do the same with the JWH-250. This will make my blends a little more potent. I will be able to save the liquid mixture to combine with tobacco, my herbs, and put in a drink. I also plan to combine the JWH-018 with the JWH-250. There are several other synthetic cannabinoids, but besides JWH-018... JWH-250 and JWH-073 seem to be the most popular. Some studies suggests JWH-250 is safer than JWH-018.


Be sure to come back in a few weeks for more updating!

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Conclusion

My final conclusion after my research and experimenting is that if marijuana were legal we would not have people trying these alternative legal highs. If you have to pass a piss test, and you still want to get high, buy an herbal blend with JWH-018 in it or purchase some online, along with some herbs and make your own herbal blend. Just remember, even though this stuff is legal for now, it is NOT a safe alternative to smoking marijuana. Marijuana is a natural plant with many medicinal purposes. JWH-018 is a synthetic compound with little known about it's short and long term effects on the human body.


Be careful! Stay green!

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lorlie6 6 years ago from Bishop, Ca

Hey Fluffy-I've seen these synthetics and wondered how I'd react to them. I quit smoking weed at 17 due to excessive paranoia, and tried again around a year ago-same damned thing. My smoke shop guy says the paranoia is associated with the THC, so I shouldn't have a problem.

THEN I looked at the price tags.

Aw, hell, I think I'll just stay sober! :)


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Fluffymetal 6 years ago from Texas Author

You're right Lorlie... being sober is the best way to go. I love my Mary Jane (the real thing), and I've learned a lot from making this hub. I think another spin off may be coming from this one. Take care sweet Lorlie :)


DoorMattnomore 6 years ago

Hey, I'm glad being a self impoed guinea pig didn't hurt you any. I've often wondered about those "legal msuhrooms"? Im too chicken to try it though. Ive tried a few herbal blends and all I got was a headache. Maybe they would be a nice subtitute for tobacco? I just found out there is maybe going to be a dispensary opening up in the city closest to my town. How awesome would it be to get a prescription for that, instead of stupid Zoloft!!! Stay natural, it has got to be safer then man made drugs.


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Fluffymetal 6 years ago from Texas Author

Natural is the way to go!


gman 6 years ago

i have to pass a a/u monthly so no more weed,I've been smoking my blend (g2) with jwh018 infused, for about six months. i smoke out of a pipe sometimes i put a little powder on top for a extra boost but a little goes a very long ways. the first few times you smoke it you don't want to smoke a few hit then wait and see how it affects you, but with daily use you will build a tolerance quickly,


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Highvoltagewriter 6 years ago from Savannah GA.

I have quit using drugs like weed after being a pot head most of my life...The short term memory lost became to much to handle as I grew older! However I had A LOT of experience with herbs and I am willing to share my insights with you.

Number one is Salvia; in my opinion the best way to take it is ether smoking the extract, or actually buying a shoot of the plant and then growing your own. The plant needs partial light and grows rather slowly. Once the plant has grown large enough were you feel you can harvest some of the leaves without hurting the plant, you can pick some leaves and then put them in juicer. You do not want to drink it for it is not as potent when you drink it!

What you want to do is either put it in some kind of vat or casserole pan. THEN you can set it in the sun to evaporate it or put in the oven at 320 or less. Either way you must watch it carefully; for you do not want it to get it to dry just dry enough to smoke (like the resin you would get out of your pipe). NOW THIS IS WHEN I MUST GIVE YOU SOME WARNINGS! Since different people react different ways to this drug, you should not stand while you are smoking it.

Just take seat and have somebody there that IS NOT under the influence of Salvia. The reason for this is that the extract or the hash-like substance you created CAN BE VERY INTENCE! It has been known to make people pass out for a short period of time. Another thing is, the hallucinations can be very savvier for about 20 minutes. Also, you must smoke it SLOWLY, meaning you inhale it deeply but not to fast. One more thing is that the substance goes out easily so you must keep the lighter lit until you are done taking a hit. The reason I am sharing this information with you is that like all psychedelics, you must be careful!

I had heard that Salvia is now illegal but I am not sure about this for I have not messed with this plant for awhile. (I am now completely clean and sober for about two years now). There are other plants that are fairly safe, and some that grow wild (in almost every state). If you want THAT information you can email me though Hubpages and I will freely give it to you.

I will stop now, for this post is almost as large as some of my hubs!


dennis 4 years ago

can anybody help me out i cant seem to get ahold of mountainindustrys to buy research chems


Danei 4 years ago

I tried an "herbal incense blend" that I ordered from a website. I don't know exactly what it contained, but I strongly suspect it includes JWH-018.

The high wasn't bad; inferior to MJ, but certainly not unpleasant. The after-effects were/are so severe that I'm never trying synthetics again:

Several hours after coming down from the high, I spontaneously got a panic attack, out of nowhere, for no discernible reason. I'd never had one before, and I had to do some googling to make sure I wasn't having a cardiac episode.

The panic attack lasted all night, making sleep extremely difficult and fitful. It continued after waking, until about noon. After that, the psychological panic subsided, and I was left with a jittery shakiness.

That was three days ago, and I'm still suffering from jumpiness, racing mind, and elevated heartbeat. It's as if my sympathetic nervous system didn't get the memo that I'm not having a panic attack anymore. I hope and pray that I will slowly return to normal, and not be like this forever, but so far, the elevated heartbeat shows no signs of stopping. Valerian root helps me a little, so I've been taking it.

I've been a MJ user for several months, and never had symptoms anything like these from either smoking it, or stopping it for a week or two.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from experimentation, but do be careful. Synthetics are not cannabis, and I personally would rather be sober than try them again, or any drug without a well-established safety profile.


Robert Nelson 3 years ago

JWH is the cannabinol moiety with napthalene attached. And napthalene is carcinogenic...

It is quite easy to distinguish JWH from THC -- the onset is similar, the plateau and comedown are distinctly chemical-artificial compared to the natural effects of THC

JWH is poison, period. It should be banned.

And I say this as a very experienced sub rosa chemist who advocates complete legalization of damn near everything :

JWH is chemical faeces


Devin 17 months ago

Add coffee extract to your tincture. That should help.

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