Is this the way to get traffic to hubs?

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   sid_candidposted 12 years ago

   I came across this information on Seekyt.com on how to get your article to better ranking in Google:
   http://seekyt.com/get-your-seekyt-artic … of-google/
   
   Is this all useful information and can be applied to increase traffic to our hubs?

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      kschangposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Relatively generic advice.
      
      I find joining up all those ancillary places to be most of waste of time. You'll be spending too much time joining and updating those other places to actually write content.
      
      The keyword check stuff is not bad, and I'm checking the backlink inspector now. However, don't use those backlink generators. Those are worthless.

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      vietnamvet68posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Unfortunately you will never get a better ranking on Google. Google is out to destroy HP therefore HP articles are listed way down the list and it will never improve I'm afraid, the traffic is almost dead around here anymore.

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   sid_candidposted 12 years ago

   Hi Hubbers
   Still waiting for your response to this as it seems to be an useful resource on SEO and driving traffic to your articles.

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   2uesdayposted 12 years ago

   Hi before you  follow the advice it might be worth checking if some of it conflicts with terms of service for Adsense or here.

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   lrohnerposted 12 years ago

   The first part of the article sounds pretty good, but I would defer to someone more knowledgeable, like Darkside, Sunforged or Thisisoli on the backlinking part. After all, I've never, ever seen a Seekyt URL rank anywhere near page 1.

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      vox vocisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That was before Seekyt has changed a lot; it became an article submitting site (only) and it achieved the PR value 3 in less than a year. Not bad for a "baby" site
      
      Also, I wrote an article (actually collected a nice list of original, fresh quotes) titled "Depression quotes." There are about 33,000,000 results for this keyword, and my Seekyt article on the topic is moving around from page 3 to page 4 and back. I mean, for this keyword - quite impressive.
      
      Also, some of my fellow writers there do rank  #1 for some of their Long-Tail Keywords, and I had one of my journal posts ranked #1. Unfortunately, when the comments on the journal ceased, the post dropped down in the SERPs (which is not the case with articles).
      
      As for the Google's TOS, believe me, Seekyt obeys the big G!

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   White Teethposted 12 years ago

   It is interesting that every other site on the internet seems to encourage backlinking while Hubpages seems to discourage it.
   
   Someone mentioned on the forums recently that at a Hubcamp they were told specifically not to backlink. Jason made this statement at one point: “We will be detecting and banning accounts that use spammy techniques to get backlinks to newly-published Hubs, so Hubbers should opt for a conservative approach to any backlinking effort.”

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      earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Backlinking is useless unless you have the right keywords.
      The right keywords will get piles of traffic without any backlinks at all. I did an experiment about a year ago and proved it beyond doubt.

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         wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Earnest, is it possible that Panda will require a different strategy?  Like you I did no backling and got acceptable (to me) traffic.  That traffic is low enough now that without some method of improving it (backlinks, improved HP, whatever) the income side of writing just isn't worth the effort anymore.

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            lrohnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Good question, Wilderness. What I took away from all of the Panda-monium was that backlinking was more important than ever. Would love to hear an expert weigh in.
            
            And I've given up writing about products -- IMO there's just no way to beat a page of Amazon results, backlinks or no backlinks.

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               sid_candidposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I can't agree more with you Ironher. I am also eagerly waiting an expert to chip in with his/her thoughts. Writing products hub seems banging your head against a mountain. You can never beat amazon even with thousands of backlinks. Adsense is the only hope but with traffic gone adsense says, "Hey, I am dying."

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               wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I think any results from Amazon are going to require a much different hub.  A true product review, in depth and from experience might work, as might an in depth comparison of several related products. 
               
               The old "Chocolate Cover Ants are Great and here's some links won't work anymore, no matter how much you talk them up.

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                  lrohnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Agreed. But here's the problem... No matter what you do or how you write it, Panda has pretty much guaranteed that Amazon or some other big box retailer will take the top few spots -- if not the majority of the first page. I've had that happen to me where I'm still on page 1 but below a couple of Amazon results, and earnings from those same hubs has gone down to almost nothing.

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                     wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     You are absolutely right.  I'm thinking of a set of keywords that include the product, but also indicate the hub has more information.  Hopefully it will be on page one and spotted, whereupon someone looking for that information will check it out.  Slim maybe, but better than a simple advertisement for a product that is absolutely buried by amazon or other big box dealer.

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               White Teethposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               You probably have very little chance as an Amazon affiliate, but you might have some possibilities using ShareASale or other affiliate program.

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                  lrohnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  If you could explain to me how, I would get down and kiss your feet.
                  
                  I'm seeing it's a little bit about traffic and a little bit about conversions. Because Mr. Big Box has the top few spots, my traffic has obviously been cut by almost two-thirds on my product hubs. And I think the peeps that do look at SERP results #5, 6 and 7 are just window shopping. My normal Amazon conversion rate is 15% to 20%. Now it's just a hair over 10%.
                  
                  So the big question is -- do you think it would be different if I changed affiliate programs? My gut tells me "no," but I've been wrong about a whole lot of other things in my life.

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                     White Teethposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I think you have to test out alternate affiliate programs and see, especially with Amazon dominating the first page. You really don't know until you test it.
                     
                     For example, I saw this program for Christmas cards: http://www.finestationery.com/s_aboutus_affiliate.cfm?
                     
                     ShareASale has a lot of products too. You have to test and see what works best. I would get rid of every single Amazon link on the hubs I’m testing.

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            Baileybearposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            money aside, I'm wondering if writing articles at all is worth it if no-one reads them?

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            earnestshubposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I really don't know whether the changes have meant more weight will be given to backlinks or not, but if so it will likely be quality based as before.
            
            If there is no update to the update I feel Google will lose serious market share myself.
            
            I have a lot of automotive hubs that are based on experience and success in my field, and find myself (recently) competing for hits with some kid on yahoo answers or some other similar site saying things like "I love Fords" or "Rovers rock"
            
            I'm well fed up with it, as would be anyone looking to find information to fix their car. I feel sure this is happening across my other niches as well.

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         Marisa Wrightposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I agree, I think.
         
         Before Panda, you could pick a keyword, create a website then use backlinking services to create thousands of backlinks - and you'd get a result, even if you hadn't hit on a really "hot" niche.  Misha and Mark were doing very nicely with that strategy.
         
         Now, things seem to have changed.  Mark very kindly did one of those backlinking exercise for one of my websites, and it did work.  Now, that website has absolutely tanked, in spite of having original content. 
         
         If you're going to do backlinking now, I'm guessing it has to be real backlinking - getting backlinks on related websites, guest blogging, etc.

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            infoceraposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            @Marisa you are completely right..backlinks matters even now but only which are built in natural progression and are from related pages...

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         Mikeydoesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         For this reason alone it is pointless for many people to backlink. You can make 1 hub tonight that get you lots of views, that is for sure. No backlinking necessary, but it is not like a backlink is a bad thing either, but it is always good to find legitimate spots. Which I am beginning to find them and dabble in them a little.

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         Nexusx2posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I thought that to increase your results in the surps you need backlinks pointed from a specific keyword site to yours. This doesnt include comment backlinks only backlinks the webmaster has included on his page.

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      psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It seems people are having trouble discriminating between getting incoming links with creating spammy links.  Backlinks are good. Spamming forums and using link farms is not.  Because Google, generally speaking, can tell the difference. HubPages loves real links, not spammy links.

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         White Teethposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         That’s Hubpages' party line anyway…
         
         JC Penney’s "spammy" backlinks could not be detected by Google. The press had to make a big deal about JC Penney dominating every category, and Google’s attempt to adjust the algorithm did not work. They had to do a manual correction.
         
         Someone noted here in the forums just recently that a crappy Squidoo page with a thousand "spammy" backlinks was dominating their keyword.

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   sid_candidposted 12 years ago

   I understand that if you choose the right keywords you don't need backlinking. But after writing 300 hubs I am still in search of that one hub which can get me consistent traffic and earnings.

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      Rosie2010posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, sid, you got 300+ hubs?  Congrats!  The Hub Stats on the top of your hub, will give you the keywords on how the visitors found your hub.  I just wrote a hub on Hub Stats.. I find the information in the stats very useful, pointing to us words that have been used to find our hub, but are not in the title.

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      nebraska66posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      To get back to the original question.  The advice is sound.  Maybe not what a lot of people want to hear in some cases, but solid advice in my opinion.  Maybe he lost em when he suggested manually creating accounts at all those web 2.0 sites, not to mention writing all unique content. 
      
      These days everyone expects to drop 5 bucks at fiverr and get amazing results overnight.  Remember, a writer can always outsource, but an outsourcer will probably never be able spin the yarn well enough to make it.  Writing is a skill you just can't fake
      
      The person that wrote that over at seekyt is an admin and for all we know is the owner/creator of the site.  There's nothing in it for him to steer his writers in the wrong direction.  What he's suggesting:
      
      Write your own unique content
      
      Seek out and join various web publishing sites to put that unique content on
      
      Not only join them, but participate in the community.
      
      Link those articles in a strategic manner.
      
      One thing to remember, if you write the content yourself you earned the link.  You spent the time and effort toward contributing to someone's web property, so there's nothing spammy about it.  If you're someone that's buying 3000 profile links immediately for a few bucks, you don't deserve any of them and Google agrees. 
      
      Pssst...that's why you have to ping the links unmercifully to get them indexed.  Google doesn't care, and their recent slap proves it.

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