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   SimeyCposted 11 years ago

   I am not a Democrat or Republican - thought I'd say that up front.
   
   Why are the Republicans debating the Health Care bill again? I know they are against it and will repeal it. I know they've voted on it before - isn't it 33 times? Why waste two days debating something that they know will do nothing - what a waste of public money.
   
   Make your point with one or two debates and votes and do what we pay you for.
   
   How many useless votes do we need? I'd be interested to see how many debates both sides go into knowing that they cannot win - how much time does this take? How much does it cost?
   
   While the Rs and the Ds continue to play political games nothing is being done - it's not tennis, it's called running the country.
   
   I say get rid of them all and get top experts from business, healthcare, silicon valley etc. to run the country...

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      Longhunterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      "I say get rid of them all and get top experts from business, healthcare, silicon valley etc. to run the country..."
      
      We do need to get rid of the career politicians as they are the lowest form of life known to man but I would much rather see Americans who have a sense of duty to serve their country be elected, as our forefathers had intended. Not all R's or D's but people who believe in our Constitution and realize they work for US and we'll fire their sorry asses if they don't do what WE say.
      
      As for Obamacare, IMHO, if Barack Hussein Obama wins and the law stands, this country is FUBARed. If Romney gets in and it's overturned, we can start over, which is what approximately 70% of the country wants.
      
      Again, this is just MHO.

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         Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         46% support the healthcare bill passing the senate according to Gallup 46 oppose it, hardly 70% either way.

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         rhamsonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I think you put too much faith in that either party can make a unconstrained effort to turn this country around.  I do believe you are right that the country is FUBARed because of this.  The time when patriots and citizens ran this country is long past.  The corporations have taken over through generous donations to the candidate of their bidding.  It doesn't matter what party the candidate is from as they donate through Superpacs and whatever other vehicles allow them to buy their influence.  The electorate is kept in check by throwing no answer issues to divide them all the while the slime bags keep plugging along doing their dirt under a blanket of deception.  If there is to be any change it has to be motivated by US taking their object of affection away, THE MONEY.  Federally financed campaigns will be the first step with all candidates recieving the same amount of money to run a campaign and make their choices the ones we send them there to do in the first place.  This is why I agree that we are FUBARed as you stated because the slime bags on the hill will never let it happen.

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            Longhunterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Neither party, on it's own, is going to save this country. We need to work together. Unfortunately, as long as we have career politicians who are only in it to line their own pockets as well as the corporations, Superpacs, etc. you mentioned throwing money around, this country is going to hell in a hand basket.
            
            I agree with your statement that "Federally financed campaigns will be the first step with all candidates recieving the same amount of money to run a campaign and make their choices the ones we send them there to do in the first place." And, you're right again. The "slime bags on the hill will never let it happen." Perhaps it's time the American people stood up and made these D.C. morons realize we mean business or they can take their sorry butts home.
            
            Of course, I have a feeling if we did remove the money, most of these money-hungry clowns would quit.

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               rhamsonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I agree with everything you say except one thing.  These people are not morons as they have very carefully leveraged their way into the position they are in to run our country anyway they see advantageous to themselves.  I agree with Jessie Ventura when he says that the federal government is run by an elite mafia we have had no affect to change for a very long time.  How do you propose we get them to know we mean business while they control the whole shooting match.

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                  Longhunterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  I know these people are not 'morons', rhamson. It was meant purely as an insult to the Washington elite. Using "moron" was a clean up of what I had started to say but changed it, lest I be banned from the forums.
                  
                  "How do you propose we get them to know we mean business while they control the whole shooting match."
                  
                  The best we can do is vote them out or investigate them for wrongdoing then prosecute the fullest extent of the law. It wouldn't be a pretty time for this country but, IMHO, neither are the times in which we now live under Obama.
                  
                  A book comes to mind you might like. Take a look at a book by Vince Flynn titled "Term Limits." NO, I'm not advocating this take place. I just thought you might like the book.

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                     rhamsonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     I will look up the book.  The problem with your system changing theory relies heavily on a greatly divided electorate married to a corrupt sytem run by the corrupters themselves.  Time and time again we see the same people get voted in by an electorate that is trusting of the system to speak the peoples mind depending on a highly biased news media with bought politicians.  Political parties change districts or if that is not enough they place a candidate from elsewhere and they still get elected.  I.e. Hillary Clinton as a Senator from New York who was from all intents and purposes from Arkansas.

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                        Longhunterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        What do you suggest we do to "fix" the problem?

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                           rhamsonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           There is no easy solution but focussing on the problem and not the divisive sidebars to the problem would be a start.  When we open our mouths people should listen to hear the point being made and not for agreement with our own wants and desires.  This is where we are and the politicians and news media know it and exploit us for it.
                           
                           How many times have you heard someone say something and seen them labeled a conservative or a liberal?  From that point on you might as well have just put enemy in the vernacular and shut down any understanding of the point they are trying to make. 
                           
                           We are the solution but we run from the responsibility and leave it to the gorwn ups who by the way are bad parents.  We have to learn how to look past our differences and form a union that can overcome the bad parents.
                           
                           How that looks or happens is up to us.

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                              Longhunterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Excellent logic, rhamson, but much easier said than done. Unfortunately, it may take a revolution to change anything in D.C.

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                                 Reality Bytesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 It is not unreasonable.  Change does not come because some politician says it does.  Change comes in the form of the individual.  When an individual changes the way they perceive the world, the world changes.  The current systems of division do absolutely nothing to make this Nation better. 
                                 
                                 rhamson is absolutely correct, labels are what is holding the people back from achieving what is best for them!  We the human beings have much more in common than not!

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      rhamsonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      This is really a shot at the Senate.  The Tea Party is trying to drum up support to defeat Obamacare and more importantly his presidency.  If they can make a big enough issue out of it to the electorate and keep it in the public eye in this election year, they may be able to sway enough votes to take over the Senate and pass legislation to kill it even if Obama retains his office.

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      Reality Bytesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      How about turning Congress in to a part time job. A couple of months a year, and better yet, they can spend the rest of their time in the State they are supposed to be representing!

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         Longhunterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Are you proposing these people live without all the perks afforded them in D.C. and come hang out with us common folk? I dare say most of them wouldn't know how to handle it.

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            Reality Bytesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Isn't that how the legislature in Texas does it,  they meet every two years for a short time?  I am not sure if other states also do this.
            
            The less decisions government makes, the better off we would all be!

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               Longhunterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               "The less decisions government makes, the better off we would all be!"
               
               AMEN!!!!

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      Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You just described most of the debates on Hubpages in the political forums

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         SimeyCposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         

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      prettydarkhorseposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      grandstanding and politicking
      
      how many congressmen? one mineral water each (at the very least), transcript and agenda (how many pages) times how many congressmen, electricity!! What a waste.

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      Cagsilposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting statement to make from the outstart.
      Because, they rather repeal it. It makes no sense since Romney wants to repeal it also, but then establish HIS own.
      
      Isn't Romney fighting against Republicans are doing presently? Internal strife among party members?
      It doesn't matter how many times they attempt to repeal it.
      Because that's what they do. They look like they are working for the people, yet purposely know their actions are not for the people.
      You pay to have politicians lie to you, so they can further an agenda hidden in plain sight.
      Better question- Why is government attempting to pass so many bills? Bills that probably are not worthy of a pot to piss in. Both sides are guilty of doing this.
      It wastes valuable time and a lot of borrowed money. The cost is too much.
      Oh they know this, but since the country is so divided, they are assured that the citizenry has no way to fight back. So they aren't worried.
      I would agree that the Country should be run more like a business, but do try to remember the worse aspect about business is giving the consumer true value.

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   Lifes 2nd Chancesposted 11 years ago

   Every election year I am reminded of the old old movie, " Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". I think the writers knew something then that we have forgotten, Corruption had been a sorry part of most political business. Representatives were unpaid and driven by duty and love of their country when this process began, now look at the mess it has become. just my 2 cents.

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