So Holy Books Tell You Not To Do It...But What About The Other Stuff?

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   fierycjposted 14 years ago

   I know this is hilarious, lol, but try not too find it too funny: Holy Books tell you not to have premarital sex...but it hardly tells you anything about premarital foreplay. What do you gotta say about that?

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      sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I dunno, what does it say about post marital foreplay.

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         Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I think he is more interested in whether you are allowed to take it up the pooper.
         
         I am unsure myself, but I have a feeling there is probably something about that in there somewhere.

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         fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         good one. I was hoping you'd drop by, Sandra. Your views...or in this case, your lack of them are always highly valued...the Bible is pretty shy when it comes to intimate sex stuff. No kidding. But here's a few quotes though - "...rejoice with the wife of thy youth...let her breasts satisfy thee at all times..." Prov 5:18-19. That counts as post-marital foreplay, dont it? Pretty weird to see the bible talking about that, huh. Or check this one, "A bundle of myrrh is my wellbeloved, he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts" Songs 1:13. Again with the breasts. There's plenty of foreplay in the Song of Solomon, though. And its supposed to be a love song about a man and his bride to be. The stuff this two people did in their dates, qualifies pretty much as foreplay. But no sex though. Whaddya gotta say about that?

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            HealthCare Basicsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Ah, maybe a breast and incense fetish?? 

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               fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               ha!

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            Lady_Eposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I'd say sit down with your Pastor and let him explain it to you in Context. I'm beginning to wonder if you did a search in the Bible on certain keywords....

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               fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               No. I've read the Bible from cover to cover, a few times. I dont believe in that stuff about seeing a pastor to explain a bible verse, sorry. Its not pride or anything either. I just think he's human like me, and is subject to flaws such as myself. I think we place too much faith in pastors, gurus, imans, and what have you. If you really think about it, not too much, but if you think about it just the right amount, you might just realize that they might not know the scriptures more than you do. No kidding.

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                  Lady_Eposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  That's cool Fiery. I didn't know you've read the whole Bible. (Thought you just picked out the verses). I commend you on that because I haven't finished reading it yet. Anyway, awaiting your next interesting question on Forums....

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            sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            LOL, let's see umm.... breast is a metaphor for security or comfort, like a child to the mothers breast. 
            
            What about kissing brothers on the lips?  I think there are quite a few versus about it being okay to kiss your brother on the lips, actually it is encouraged.  Course it's says it is not okay to lay with a man like a woman... I wonder who he was talking about?
            
            is he talking about a gay man acting like a woman or does it mean don't be shy!  Go for it like a man! LOL.   Paul even tells his people,  don't get married.
            
            And why they call if foreplay, I mean foreplay is usually way funner than than the latter.

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   \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

   I say hi Fiercj.... how are you this morning

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      fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Had to go out and get some work done at a studio. How're you?

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      fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      you got something to say about the thread, Bren?

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   Lady_Eposted 14 years ago

   Lost you on this one Fiery.  Premarital foreplay, leads to premarital sex dunnit? or maybe you could define premarital foreplay.
   
   Let me go and have some lunch, hopefully my brain might have another view on it afterwards. 

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      fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      c'mon Lady E, dont make me go into details. You know what I mean. All the other stuff that goes with the REAL ACTUAL thing, but IS NOT the REAL ACTUAL thing.

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   \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

   Do you need a book to tell you how to do everything..... The bible is there to give us guidelines to life.....
   
   If you really want me to comment here goes....
   
   If you decide not to have pre marital sex, because you feel the bible does not allow it, then foreplay would be tormenting for you......  does that help??????

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      fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      hey, easy, there, Bren. Its not a fight. I know what's in my mind. I wanna see views is all.

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   \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

   I dont think you will get many, but I could be wrong... let's see.....
   
   what do you think about the question

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   HealthCare Basicsposted 14 years ago

   I don't have a holy book around the house to look into that answer. I always thought is was the royal families and catholicism that influenced the whole purity concept of virginity and sexual relations. Could be wrong, and might need enlightenment. 

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   \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

   hi healthcare basics, how are you doing..... this fiery guy, he asks awkward questions sometimes dont you think....

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      fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm a madman, Bren. You know that better than anyone else here. C'mon.

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   HealthCare Basicsposted 14 years ago

   Hey Brenda, I am fine these days. The question is an odd one, yes. I am sure it will start a whole posting of opinions..

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   HealthCare Basicsposted 14 years ago

   Morning Sandra. You joining in the thread? It's dreary here in North Park and I am needing coffee for a jump start....

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

    what is a jump start and does it have anything to do with the question, it could do I suppose

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

    I say get a cold shower/

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    HealthCare Basicsposted 14 years ago

    Brenda, caffiene perk to "jump start" the thinking processes but not reach the stage of being jittery....

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    Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

    Hey cj...if you can take fire close to your chest and not get burned then I guess you can do whatever you want...

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       fierycjposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       nice metaphor, Eagle. But this isn't about me. Its for the greater good. What we discuss here in this forum, here and now shall be remembered for days to come. Let it be a rememberance unto thee. And to all sons and daughters who are with us and those yet to join us. Bond and free. Jew and Gentile. Hear ye, hear ye! (melodic fanfare tune plays in background)

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    Eaglekiwiposted 14 years ago

    you guys really need to read Songs Of Solomon...if that a was movie, wait it might already be...hot! oooouch lol

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 14 years ago

    Paul says stay single if it hinders you in your ministry, but better to be married if that is what you want to do...
    
    The other scripture about rejoicing with the girl of your youth, means to stick to the same wife, not go around the houses so to speak
    
    These are the interpretations I have......

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    vattanposted 14 years ago

    hi,
    i think the song of solomon is a love poem with God as the groom and israel as the bride. down here almost the only time a guy gets an action is after he gets married(arranged) so i think that foreplay and sex come under the same broad terminology. for example the law does not require a full penetration to call it rape..

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    Inspirepubposted 14 years ago

    Early Christians believed Jesus would return in their lifetimes, and the world would end. Therefore, they practised complete chastity (why bring children into a dying world?) until it dawned on them that it was taking an awfully long time for Jesus to come back, and some individuals were falling to temptation - that's when St Paul said basically "look if you really can't control yourselves, get married so you don't become fornicators".
    
    In terms of "foreplay", it depends how you define "sex".
    
    Our state actually does define "sex" in law (as part of the definition of "sexual assault"), and it says that sex is the insertion of any object in any orifice.
    
    That means that technically, French kissing is sex here, and cunnilingus isn't - as long as you stay up the pointy end, anyways.
    
    And if you lick your finger and stick it in someone's ear, they can charge you with sexual assault ...
    
    Definitions, very interesting area!
    
    Jenny

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