Political Stagecraft By The Big Dogs

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   GA Andersonposted 7 years ago

   Shooting from the hip... I just heard this news blurb...
   
   Rumor is that Hillary Clinton has given Mark Cuban, (vocally anti-Trump), a front row seat at the debate Monday.
   
   Now Trump says if that is true, then he may give Jennifer Flowers, (need to Goggle her?), a seat right beside Cuban.
   
   A first thought would wonder about Hillary's motive; just a ticket to a supporter and friend, or a political move. My guess is both, but primarily a political move.
   
   But which one; good pro-Hillary PR when the cameras pan the row and his familiar face pops out, followed by the inevitable repeated commentator notes about Cuban's bio, or, an antagonistic face, placed in his face, to rock Trump's boat during the debate? Or both?
   
   Then I wonder... would Jennifer's camera pan draw the same commentator's repeated sidebars about her bio? And if so, does Trump trump Hillary. I don't see how Trump could lose in the trade.
   
   Petty, or brilliant? A home-run, or a back-fire?>
   
   GA

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      PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Love this question of political strategy. My first reaction: Jennifer Flowers is old news and more about Bill than Hillary.  Mark Cuban is current and popular and will remind people that virtually no one who runs in the same circles as Trump supports him for president.
      
      Win for Hillary. 

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         GA Andersonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         ...yes, but....
         
         I thought of that also, but then I considered who might be most impacted - either side. With Cuban I see a face known to a particular base, (those that like him), and also from a segment that knows him, but doesn't like him. I see him more as a validator of already-Hillary-supporters, an assurance more than a swayer of those on the fence. Conversely I also see Jennifer as a supporter validator, but I think the naturally expected assertions in her bio might impact some of those on the fence voters.
         
         GA

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            PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Bill was the philanderer, not Hillary. Women, at least, get that. Does Trump have a single one of his contemporaries who support him? Just one? Hillary has a bunch. She even has a bunch of Republicans. I think Mark Cuban's presence will remind people that those who have been around Trump, worked with him, had dealings with him, do not support him. That is very telling.

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               Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Bill was a philanderer, not Hillary. But Hillary was a supporter, a willing accepter and a damage control participant. I know a lot of older women who appear to get that and some my age would do it. Although a lot of women don't respect that, me being one of them. Any woman who degrades other women to hide a husband's philandering is very, very low in my book.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I heard on the news this morning that Ms. Flowers has not actually been invited. Another Trump whopper?
                  
                  In any case, if it is a Cuban vs Flowers front row extravaganza, we will find out 1) if voters care at all and 2) if they do care, is the election about the 90s or about the present?

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            colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Mark Cuban reached out to Trump over a year ago and wanted to be his running mate. It didn't matter to him either way, he would be Clinton's running mate.  The guy is dopey.  Now, he is on a jihad against Trump!
            
            
            He has discredited himself, after seeming forthright. He is inconsistent.
            So! Cuban admits he now has it out for Trump, is going to try to steal Trump's lime-light with the help of Hillary Clinton who invited him to sit in the front row at the first debate. It backfired on the narcissist.

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               IslandBitesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               "Donald, initially, I really hoped he would be something different, that as a businessperson, I thought there was an opportunity there. But then he went off the reservation and went bats--- crazy."
               
               Cuban also said that he had talked to Trump before he endorsed Clinton and urged the real estate mogul-turned-candidate that at some point he had to adapt and learn policy.
               
               "I told him directly, at some point you have to learn, at some point you have to read and that that job is all about uncertainty and if you don't do the work, that is not good for this country," Cuban said. "And he just doesn't do the work."

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   colorfuloneposted 7 years ago

   Gennifer's acceptance to Trump's invitation to the debate must have Hillary wishing she never started this.
   
   
   Cuban, being the sad “media whore” who went after Trump...
   
   
   I'd say Trump trumped Hillary! 
   (Images from TurthFeed)

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      colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban, addressing the pending NBA vote to oust racist Los Angeles Clippers boss Donald Sterling, confessed that he himself is so “prejudiced” that he would cross the street to avoid “a black kid in a hoodie at night.”
      
      The outspoken hoops executive dropped his racially charged bomb just two days after the NBA formally began the process to boot Sterling, who was caught on tape telling an ex-girlfriend not to bring black friends to Clippers games.
      
      “If I see a black kid in a hoodie at night on the same side of the street, I’m probably going to walk to the other side of the street,” Cuban said at the GrowCo business conference in Dallas on Wednesday.
      
      From NY Post

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         IslandBitesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Cuban said that overcoming bigotry requires acknowledging internal prejudices.
         
         'I know I'm prejudiced and I know I'm bigoted in a lot of different ways,' he said.
         
         'If I see a black kid in a hoodie and it's late at night, I'm walking to the other side of the street. And if on that side of the street, there’s a guy that has tattoos all over his face - white guy, bald head, tattoos everywhere - I'm walking back to the other side of the street.'
         
         'The list goes on - of stereotypes that we all live up to and that we're fearful of,' he continued.
         
         'I know that I'm not perfect. While we all have our prejudices and bigotries, we have to learn that it's an issue that we have to control, that it's part of my responsibility as an entrepreneur to try to solve it, not just to kick the problem down the road.'
         
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         Cuban defended his views on Twitter, saying that his quotes were not meant to advocate racism.
         
         'The point was that before we can help others deal w racism we have to be honest about ourselves,' Cuban wrote in a tweet.

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            colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Thank you for sharing that.  On cue! 
            I'm not wondering who wrote that for him.

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      colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Did you know that Ms Flowers is one of the Top 10 Hottest President's Wives and Mistresses.  Yeah, she is listed with Marilyn Monroe and the other hotties.  It imagine it must be men who agree on who the Top 10 are?
      
      The media coverage of Bill Clinton's sexual abuse coming out again before the election was a good thing.  Younger people don't really know who the Clintons are, and never knew who Ms Flowers was before, but now they are learning.  Thanks to Hillary inviting Cuban.  Gaff!

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   PrettyPantherposted 7 years ago

   Note the contrast in tone in these replies. Teen porn accusations with no supporting evidence. Really?

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   colorfuloneposted 7 years ago

   Google it!

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   colorfuloneposted 7 years ago

   Hillary Clinton's fanboy, Mark Cuban pulling a woman’s hair, while exposing himself.
   
   "Teen Girls Gone Wild!"
   
   
   Is that degrading women? 
   Should Hillary disavow Cuban?
   Naw, he is just another sexually depraved monster, let him sit in the front row at the presidential debate, it'll help take the attention off Bill the rapist.

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   Alternative Primeposted 7 years ago

   Unlike "FRAUD Trump" who is Indebted to CHINA & other Adversaries of the United States to the TUNE of MILLIONs, Mark Cuban is a "GENUINE Billionaire" with NATURAL Hair not WEIRD Lookin' HEAD Plugz & That Intimidates Thin Skinned "Delusional Donald" ~
   
   If TRUE, it will be interesting to see how "Delusional Donald" REACTs ~ If of course he SHOWs ~
   
   Considering 70% of "Delusional Donald's" CLAIMs are LIEs According to "FACT Verifiers", "WE the PEOPLE" should still DEMAND an Independant "FACT Checker" to "Intervene & CORRECT" Trump on the SPOT before he gets away with his inevitable "Pathological LIE Routine" again ~

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      PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I am looking forward to seeing this debate I have no idea how it is going to go. It could be a disaster for either candidate for entirely different reasons.

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         wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         I'm sure that Trumps hairpiece will absolutely destroy him.  Hair, after all, is so important to politicians because voters hate funny hair.
         
         "Mark Cuban is a "GENUINE Billionaire" with NATURAL Hair not WEIRD Lookin' HEAD Plugz & That Intimidates Thin Skinned "Delusional Donald"

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            PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, I know. There are enough legitimate reasons to not support Trump without mentioning his hair. It's an easy target.
            
            When are you going to go after the poster who responds to a thread about political strategy by attacking Mark Cuban with no supporting evidence for her ugly assertions? Mark isn't running for president but Trump is.

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               wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Nowhere - it's about as valuable as the political ploy of seating Cuba is.  Or complaining about Trump's hair.  Stupid political games aimed at voters too stupid to know how foolish either act is, but will continue to swallow both whole and vote accordingly.

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                  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Yep!   
                  
                  Mike Pence Gives an Update on the Gennifer Flowers Debate “Invite”
                  
                  The desperate Hillary campaign is playing silly games, which keep backfiring on them.
                  
                  This latest, “debate seat” debacle was a doozie for the failing Clinton camp.
                  
                  Hillary announced that porn-teen peddler and infamous womanizer mark Cuban would be sitting in the front row during Monday night’s first presidential debate.
                  
                  Trump responded by joking that he’d invite former Bill Clinton mistress Gennifer Flowers to sit next to Cuban.
                  
                  Gennifer Flowers played along and tweeted out...
                  
                  Of course, the humorless and biased liberal media went berzerk so Mike Pence set the record straight.
                  
                  Republican vice presidential nominee Mike Pence said Sunday that Gennifer Flowers will not attend the first presidential debate and that Donald Trump floated the idea to “mock” Clinton campaign efforts to district voters by “playing games with front row seats.”  -  From Fox News

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                     wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     That's about how I read it as well.  A sarcastic reply to a political ploy.

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                        PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        Or, the campaign decided it was a stupid move. We'll never know for sure now will we?

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                           wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           Oh, it was a stupid move, all right (Clinton's, that is) - it could never be anything but playing the political game for stupid voters that can't recognize the inanity of it. 
                           
                           Personally, I find Trumps response not only ingenious but funny as well.  Whether intended or not, it epitomizes what this whole election is about - maintenance of the failed political system or forcing a change to something better. 
                           
                           Hillary even got a little slap on on the wrist (amazing there would be any response indicating she was wrong):
                           
                           "We are going to frown upon -- I will tell you this right now -- whether or not a Republican or Democrat or anyone else attempts by use of tickets in placing people in a front row or not to try to impact the debate. It is wrong," Fahrenkopf <Commission  on Presidential Debates co-chairman> said. "We would frown upon Mr. Cuban being in the front row if his purpose is to somehow disrupt the debate; likewise, if Mr. Trump was going to put someone in the front row to try and impact things."
                           
                           This is what our political system has deteriorated to!  Using the DNC to guarantee nomination, perpetual mud slinging, ignoring issues and questions isn't enough - now we're reduced to playing games like this to "win" a debate in the eyes of the voters.

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                              PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Lol, I think you are making WAY more of this than is there. Such is the way of politics.

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                                 GA Andersonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 You may be right that this is a molehill pretending to be a mountain, but consider your recollections of past debates that were touted as being a deciding-factor in the candidate's success...
                                 
                                 Is coverage touting informed detailed answers the first thought of your recollection, or is it coverage of gaffes, sweating, nervous hands, or visual miscues that first come to mind?
                                 
                                 I think Wilderness might be on the right track. Presentation will trump content.
                                 
                                 GA

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                                    PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    Sadly, your point is sound.

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                              colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Sadly, this is the world we live in today.  Its crazy!
                              America has been "fundamentally transformed".

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            Alternative Primeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Well, all I'm sayin' is that you would think "HOWDY Donald Doody" a rather Un-Attractive, Creepyily WEIRD Lookin' Overweight 70 YEAR Old Man with all that MONEY he CLAIMs to have, would keep his HEAD, Face, Body & OVERALL Physical APPEARANCE in MORE "Socially Acceptable Upkeep" even if he's participating in a PRACTICAL Joker's "PSEUDO Campaign" ~ At least WASH your Face every once in a while ~
            
            "Drumpy Trump" admits to essentially LIVING Off of Unhealthy GREASY, Saturated FAT SOAKED FAST Foods & BOY does it SHOW on him ~ Richard Nixon found out the HARD Way how Important a "PRESIDENTIAL Image" can be but unfortunately for him, "Delusional Donald" thinks he can just NEGLECT Himself in his OLD Age ~ Just like he thinks he can "NEGLECT & Discard" the TRUTH, The FACTs, & OUR Veterans etc ~ POOR Judgement ~
            
            I do HOPE to see Mark Cuban, a man who obviously keeps himslf in BETTER Shape & Practices ROUTINE Personal Hygiene Habits, in the FRONT Row Tonight ~ Let's see if Donald tries to "INTIMIDATE & Demean" him as he constantly does to WOMEN ~ Think Mark would walk onto the STAGE, pick him Up by his little ankles and DROP him Square on his "PLUGz" a few times ?? ~ ~ It would definately be worth the PRICE of Admission cause the ONLY other thing your gonna' get from tonights Broadcast is FACTUAL Policies from Hillary which are Designed to BENEFIT Workers, Seniors, Hispanics, WOMEN, African AMERICANs & Gays, INFO which will be INSIGHTFUL & Inspiring, followed by your TYPICAL ANTI-American "Carnival of LIEs" about how Incredibly "AWFUL & BAD" the USA is from "Delusional Donald" ~ ~ Your STANDARD Boring & Subversive USA Bashing we've already heard ad nauseam from this "Draft DODGING LOSER" ~
            
            P.S. ~ I'd also like to see Former PREZ of Mexico Vicente FOX sitting right next to Mark Cuban TONIGHT ~ ~ I'm sure he can't wait to say a few "Syllables" to "DRUMPFY Trump" as well ~ ~ But hey, who knows, maybe Donald can get the FIRST "PESO Installment" from him for the CONSTRUCTION of that "GRAND Delusional Wall Being BUILT INSIDE the TRUMPSTERs Head" ~ ~

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               wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Oh my!  I forgot about a funny name that he had changed decades ago! 
               
               That is surely a reason not to vote for him!  (To liberal idiots that value how a name sounds, anyway - the rest of recognize that wearing a hair piece or having a funny name is not a matter of character or ability.)

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                  Alternative Primeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  TWO VALID Reasons NOT to VOTE for an ANTI-American Woman HATER called "DRUMPFY Trump" who CLAIMs to OWN a Fortune & who has already DISQUALIFIED himself by "INSULTING" almost every AMERICAN in the USA ~ NOT to mention his "SCEME" to CUT Paychecks of ALL American Workers or his SCAM to Re-Institute "CORPORATE Wealfare" by lowering the TAX Rate from 35% to 15% ~ WHO Picks Up that Multi-TRILLION Dollar TAB?? "WE the Working PEOPLE" of course ~
                  
                  HEREs OUR MORONIC "JACKass in Chief" & Just ONE EXAMPLE of The LOVELY Way he TREATs the Opposite SEX: Still WONDERING WHY 70% of ALL Women REJECT Trump???
                  
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE1wRL-BRo0
                  
                  Even FOX LOSER Network CONFIRMs the FACT that DRUMPf is "UNFIT"
                  
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtbSgKWfK30
                  
                  Kinda Bizzare how such an Un-Appealing, DRAB, Physically ODD Lookin', WEAK & Un-attractive MESS Like "Drumpfy Trump" could possibly have the NERVE to INSULT others for their APPEARANCE: WHY?? He's Mentally FLAWED & Compromised ~ ~
                  
                  Maybe that's how they do it in his Nation of TRUE ALLEGIANCE, Communist Russia ~ ~

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                     wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     Funny how a "woman hater" is married, isn't it?  But I shouldn't point that little truth out - it is contrary to the desired opinion so must not be mentioned.
                     
                     Must like his "sceme" to cut all paychecks - that he can't do that is something that must not be mentioned as it shows the statement for the obvious lie it is.

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   colorfuloneposted 7 years ago

   Gennifer Flowers
   ‏@gennflowers
   *  https://twitter.com/gennflowers/status/ … wsrc%5Etfw
   
   Bill Clinton Called Gennifer Flowers in 2005 TO CHEAT AGAIN!
   *  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZIj5r93wAo

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      Alternative Primeposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Um....Gennifer FLOWERs is a "NO Show" for the DEBATE....Guess it was just ANOTHER "Delusional Donald" LIE ~
      
      But guess who just CHECKED-In ~ Yup, Mark "Trump CRUSHER" Cuban ~

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