Will any atheist admit that.....

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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   You don't know evolution is absolute.

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      (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Why admit anything is absolute?
      
      Evolution is a fact as well as a theory. What more do you require other than to understand evolution?

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   sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

   I think it's all more complicated than we understand it to be. Its probably a combination of both creationism and evolution.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I agree it could be a combination, it could be one or the other or it could be neither. I am referring to evolution as absolute in explaining our differences from other life.

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         Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         What are you talking about?  Why would I want to discuss anything with you when you do not even know what evolution says? It  certainly says nothing about explaining why we are "different," from other life.
         
         It is only your ridiculous arrogance and assumptions that tell you this.  Are we "different" from other life? Are you special?
         
         The fact is that we evolved along with every other form of life on the planet - and probably the universe - if there is any other life out there.
         
         What do you think evolution says about us being "different" from other forms of life?
         
         If you mean the fact that we are self aware - there are several different "theories" to explain how that came about - but - if you are looking for the answer to "why" and "what is my purpose"? You will need to speak to one of the religionists - they claim to have an answer to that.
         
         Us evolutionists go with "I don't know." LOL
         
         Which is not absolute enough for you it seems.

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Maybe I should have worded that better. I should have known you would nit pick anything I worded wrong of leave open to interpretation.
            
            When I say it doesn't explain the differences, I am saying it doesn't answer all of the questions of why we differ from other life.
            
            I think we are more complex to other life, it doesn't seem like an assumption to me, just logic and common sense. We are the dominate life and the most complex I think.
            
            I agree that we evolved and share many common traits with other life. I'm not convinced that there couldn't have been intervention before or during. I think anyone that is convinced is lacking imagination or using faith to fill in the unanswered questions.
            
            What is the leading theory/theories for how and why we developed self awareness?
            
            If science was content with "I don't know", how evolved would science be right now compared to thinking "I want to know"?

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               (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Science is NOT content with "I don't know"
               
               The problem is the people who expect all the answers in the universe to be handed to them on a silver platter, immediately. If the answers aren't made readily available, they defer to the magical and mysterious.

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                  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I agree. I don't think I have listed anything magic or mysterious though. What is magic? If a person from ancient times seen a lighter spark and light, they may think it was magic for being ahead of their time. Much of our science today would be looked at as magic in ancient civilization. Maybe it does take thoughts of magic or imagination to see what isn't yet explained.

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                     Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I think you need to go do some research, because history tells us that when you have an answer - especially a divine one, you will fight tooth and nail against anyone who challenges that answer.

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                        marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        lol Very easy for you to make assumptions that I am "protecting divine secerets" to turn you religious. Much easier to assume than it is to think isn't it? How scientific are your assumptions? You are the one looking to fight for stimulation. I am just trying to get some ideas. I already said I believe evolution, just not absolute. There are too many unknows to claim it's absolute and already fully explained.

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               Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Science is thinking "I want to know," but has to say "I don't know," until there is an answer. This is the differnce between science - which is always asking "I want to know' and you personal brand of religion which says' I have an answer."
               
               I can speculate - as can anyone.
               
               The Star Goat did it. Prove me wrong.
               
               You are just using the ages old "Well - we are pretty special, therefore there must be a reason/god/purpose/important mission/ whatever...."
               
               LOL Science - and me - has to say "I don't know."
               
               You think you can come up with an answer just by going "I know, it must have been....... "

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                  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  lol Explain why many scientists have claimed evolution as absolute including your leading atheist's Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss when it is not absolute. Is this science to you? Sounds like religion to me. I didn't know such self acclaimed intelligent scientists claimed things as absolute when majority science philosopy is to not claim anything absolute as to always leave room for error. So the leading atheist scientists are lying, correct? What kind of science is this, science of faith?
                  I don't think you like to speculate about things that aren't already written by someone else with a degree. The star goat doesn't have a degree.

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                     Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     LOL
                     
                     Evolution is "absolute" in that it happens. There is a mountain of evidence that it happens. The fact that you are unable to understand it and it does not answer your "why" question?
                     
                     Meh. Go join the religionists where you belong.

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                        marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        lol So you claim it's absolute as well without all being explained. I'm glad to see that you are no different than the religious for having faith in something not explained. Very easy for you to claim it's simply that I don't understand when there are atheist much bigger than you that can't answer questions of evolution. Why do you feel that you have the explanations of evolution when leading scientists don't? In that mountain of evidence, it still doesn't prove it's case without a doubt.

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                           Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           LOLOL
                           
                           There is proof that we evolved. The fact that that does not answer your question is neither here nor there.
                           
                           LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
                           
                           All being explained? LOLOLOL
                           
                           Evolution happens and there is a mountain of evidence. But - you cannot even frame the question you think that evolution fails to answer.

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                              marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              lol I have asked many of them. Explain the complexities and unlimited capabilities of humans compared to animals. Explain the evolution of consciousness and sub consciousness along self awareness. Explain why you still have the pride of an animal with the mind of a human?

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                                 qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Marine:
                                 My goodness man!
                                 All of that is available on google.
                                 If you begin to study "anthropology and the evolution of "modern man," it's all there ..beginning oh about 4 million years ago when our ancestors took a different evolutionary path from the ancient hominids...
                                 I could tell ya but why?...You'll have fun researching it if yer really interested.

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                                    marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Alright, I will check it out along with your answers. What and when did self awareness start?

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                                       qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       Marine:
                                       It didnt happen like turning on a lite bulb.
                                       AS the omnivore "man" ingested more protein in his diet, his brain began to enlarge and become slowly more and more adept..you'll read it all ..it's there for you.:-)
                                       The asteroid that struck the earth and was responsible for the extinction of the dinosaur, caused an explosion thousands of times greater than the totallity of all our thermo-nuclear bombs...and all it did was make a small dent on the suface under water..
                                       Believe me, old mother earth will be here long after we humans have gone.

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                                 (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 You need to do a great amount of reading and study to understand those concepts, certainly not with a few sound bites here. Take the time to learn about evolution. Just do it.

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                           qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Marine:
                           Micro evolution has been proved beyond doubt.
                           Macro hasnt
                           In the micro world, evolution takes place very rapidly. In virus and bacteria evolution has been empirically proved.
                           Larger, complex organisms take much longer to mutate and make the changes necessary to call it "evolution."
                           "Macro" evolution is still a theory but it will finally be proved too...
                           When it is, then one can say with confidence that where ever there is life, evolution will be at work ...absolutely.
                           Marine, man cannot destroy the earth...:-)

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                              marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              I believe there is both micro and macro as you explained and I also agree that evolution is present in everything and every person that doesn't remain the same. I'm just stating that I don't believe it's absolute for having so many unanswered questions. I wouldn't be sure about that last part. I wouldn't doubt what we can or can't destroy.

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                     (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Citation, please. I doubt they said that.

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   Ohmaposted 14 years ago

   I do not know if evolution is absolute but it makes more sense than the alternative, at least to me.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I agree it makes more sense than religion, this doesn't make me fully believe it though. Not suggestion that you do.

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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   Where are you Knowles? Will you accuse me of defending Santa or the Goat God?

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      OH Geez... it is a Star Goat not a goat god...
      
      

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         lol Whoops. Thanks for the correction.

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            Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            

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   qwarkposted 14 years ago

   Marine:
   Give us your thoughts.
   We'll take it from there.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      My thoughts are, I can't think of one animal that comes close to the capabilities and complexities of humans.

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         qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Marine:
         ..and I can't think of one animal that can compare with the special characteristics inherent to dolphins, bats, and other very specialized animals.
         We are just another animal that has evovled a special characteristic: consciousness.
         I hope you arent implying that we are of any greater import in the universe than any of them?

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            We are the only ones that can destroy the planet aren't we? We are also the only ones that can explore the universe unless you know something I don't. I don't disagree that there is other live with amazing capabilities, I do disagree that there are any close to the infinities of our capabilities.
            How is evolution of consciousness explained, natural selection or genetic random relative mutation?

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