Does anyone have any evidence for the existence of God?

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Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years ago
Does anyone have any evidence for the existence of God?

I am an atheist, which to me only means that I haven't been shown requisite evidence to convince me of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity of any kind. If you would, please bring forth this evidence and deliver me from a fiery afterlife. I have an exceptionally open mind, and will do my absolute best to thoughtfully consider reasonable claims. Thank you in advance.

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Michael-Milecposted 9 years ago
You are the only one to honor your " absolute best" , however your best shall be aimed in right direction. The true God , creator of the Universe in all his greatness won't fit into any human reasoning, thus we have to follow a direction design by Him if / when we are serious to know Him , tom "meet" Him and to have fellowship - consequently as one of the " family of God."
All of us who know Him and came as far as being the children of God.- John 1:12.13. " those who did receive him "( read previous verses)-" he gave authority to become children of God, to those who believe in him. they were born, not from human stock, nor from physical desire, nor from the will of a man, but from God." As you notice it involves total person: spirit soul and body. " God is Spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." (J.4:24) Oh, here is the first step, "Now, without faith it s impossible to please God, for anyone who comes to God must have faith that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him." (Hebrew 11:6).
To any reasoning this will sound totally preposterous and it is, thats why we approach Him fully trusting in His word and he is there for us knowing our sincere hear.
Many true seekers of God, plainly began talking to him, some even questioning "If you really do exists then you know my need that i am searching for peace of my mind, the way to know what is right and live righteously .... " (Create your own vocabulary , you'll find out how easy it is... )
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  My main issue with this approach is the following phrase: "[t]o any reasoning this will sound totally preposterous and it is." This is why I specifically said, "reasonable claims." Reasonable is the key word, and reason the key idea I cannot reject.
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  Michael-Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Fine, reasonable is the key word which has philosophical connotation not reaching to the spiritual territory where God can be reach only on his terms: the one have to believe that He exists in order to have know him otherwise endless arguments re
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Everything else can be evaluated with reason, I honestly do not know why faith is the sole ideal that is immune to the same due diligence. I respect your right to faith, but it is not a justifiable reason for me to adhere to the same belief system.
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  Michael-Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The same here, " i do not know why faith is the sole ideal..." what I do know is that God made it so, - easier for us humans to reach into His spiritual domain by believing/ receiving and keep hearing what he has to say, so we can live abundantly.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  www.google.com > search > text("circular logic")
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  Michael-Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for link. Do you want to punish me not to be able change the rules? In this "game" of existence true living God, Creator of the universe we the people follow a "mutual trust" Trust=faith: we trust His word-he entrust us with His work via H S
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Ok... but, I asked for a reason. Are you saying there is none? That would have been a much simpler answer to my question, "no."
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  LK: U r the creation, not the Creator who seeks one to realize HE is GOD & not we ourselves which mean "humbling oneself" (II Chron 7:14), recognizing HIM as GOD, giving up (ego), relying/depending TOTALLY on Him! This is recognition that HE IS
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine , you do not listen to no one only to criticize, belittle,
  And stone people because they do not think like you.
  Sad , Where Is Jesus in your character I have not seen it yet.
  What ever religion you are they have failed the outcome.
  Sorry
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Correct again K&T, now do you see why I have to END up being fouled mouthed and using words like shut up and f..off..people like her constantly preaching turn people away from God, the thing she don't shut up preaching about. That is how blind on
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  You speak truth here FB, example just because you read how to do brain surgery from a surgery book , does that qualify that person to practice brain surgery on who he wishes, No! People tend to think they know enough to harass
  People and judge them.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Preaching/brainwashing is everywhere we go mate. Go 2 the shop centre 2 buy shoes, u see people wiv mics shouting about God, you see TV adverts/billboards sayin God loves u..they teach kids it in school...none of this is naturally learning the spirit
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  k&t:TRUE! I listen to WORD Matt10:34 HIS character! “Failed?” WORD? U thk?How do u thk they become brain surgeons?Books Ignorant! Gal 3:1! Judge? Ps37:30
  FB: Why stay so long? Trying to fill that empty spot? I “see” U! She's devil’s advocateJn10:
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Going by your actions Norrine. I am satan according 2 u, and I am nice, ur on God's side and ur extremely deaf and ignorant in your preaching and nasty in ur name calling. I THINK YOU CHOSE THE WRONG SIDE, THE NICE PEOPLE SEEM TO B WITH THE DEVIL lol
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Fb, you said some true things, we should not force anything on anyone , the bible one example, but you have made it clear how you feel about the book that's fine,
  But do not do what Norine did to you.
  Forcing your opinion by repeat.
  Same.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I am not forcing anything, I am just doing what Norrine is forcing me to do, that is making a choice between satan (who does not exist in my view) and God (who does not exist in my view). I have to choose between two things THAT NORINE believes in
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  There is some wisdom in that too, but silence can be cruel if not needed, there is a time for everything under the sun. Speaking To Make peace, Telling trutn, Helping others, Up building Others Is What THE mouth.can do.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  FB: So u don't believe n GOD r Satan? R u atheist? If so, please furnish ANY BOOK written BEFORE Bible w/as many "Accurate Fulfilled Prophecies," & we may have something to talk about! Who could have KNOWN THESE, but GOD?
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Buildrepsposted 9 years ago
You state that you're an atheist. Does that mean that you believe that mind arises from matter? Because if you do, you believe in a solely material universe, and that you solely trust on your 5 senses? In that case you walked into a blind alley.

It is impossible to prove that a creator god, that created 'earth and heaven', exists. But it is possible to prove that the Universe doesn't require a deity. This universe is mathematical infinitely complex. So, doesn't this prove indirectly that God doesn't exist?

You state that you're an atheist. But why are you questioning about the existence of any God if you're an atheist? It seems that you're unsure about your position?

I could tell much more about this issue, but it's best to read The God Game. It is the first book of a series 21 books, called the God Series. When you finished them all, and are able to grasp the contents, you will look entirely different to the world!

I could give you a link to download this book, but I believe it's not allowed to post links in here. Nevertheless here it is:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/8pegw … _God_Game_(The_God_Series)_-_Hockney,_Mike.epub
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Atheism doesn't imply rejection, only uncertainty. The mind (and Universe) also contain energy. I reject the senses in The Universe is Absurd. It's OK to question something, even if you are certainly unsure about it. Great answer/link Buildreps, Thx!
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  Attikosposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I think uncertainty is the footing of agnosticism, where atheism is the positive belief there is no deity. In a sense, that makes all us heirs of DesCartes agnostic to some degree, but it seems to be more a matter of one's dominant view.
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  JMcFarlandposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Atheism literally means without belief: a-theos. The passive belief that there is no God is gnostic atheism, and it's a very small minority. most atheists are agnostic atheists who do not make a positive claim, but withhold belief.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  JM: yes, we apparently cannot make this point enough.
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  JMcFarlandposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Luke, I should just copy the definitions and variations of atheism because I have to repeat this all the time, and people still don't seem to understand it even after it's explained. There is gnostic/agnostic theism AND atheism.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  That's way easier, yes. Here's a useful graphic: http://www.stanleycolors.com/2013/07/at … l-you-are/
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The difference between atheists and believers is simple. Atheists do not preach to believers to start NOT believing, we just ask for evidence, but all we get is quotes from bibles preaching to us that we are fools for asking for evidence..hmmm
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  NOPE! All I ask of unbeliever is to provide "the book?" If not, must be real for who else would KNOW these things thousands of years ago, but the Creator (GOD)?
  Oh, by the way, where is your "evidence" that He does not exist?
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, the evidence of non-existence is the FACT no one can see or hear this character from a fairy tale book. Except people like you, in my part of the world when people talk or claim to see things that are invisible we call them crazy.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Your part of the world must be TOTALLY DEMONIC!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So you admit HP will do nothing nothing to you, I figured
  That out, if they are who they say they are , it would be different. But you are not who you say you are.
  So it does not matter what I say, because you continue in your comments as HP.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: You are "mentally deranged!"
  Who are you talking to and what are you talking about?
  Did WORD not say "Decently & in Order" (I Cor 14:40)?
  STOP! You're making a "complete ignoramus" of yourself!
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arksysposted 9 years ago
I would post a bunch of Islamic scripture, but I'm sure you will probably deny it all as a creation of man.

Instead, I will ask you to look around you and you will see the creations of God all around you. to assume it all happened by accident or coincidence is a little naive in my opinion. If you don't want to look around you then look up in the sky at the adornment of stars (15 billion light years worth) placed for our viewing pleasure. All this cannot just come out of nowhere.

"The sun will rise from the west" on the day of judgement ... how stupid does that sound right? especially when it was said 1400 hundred years ago. I'm sure you are aware of retrograde motion of planets. I won't dive into science and religion because I know that topic does not sit well with atheists.

No one will ever be able to give you any evidence of God, the way you like to receive it. But there are signs available for you to see in any direction you look. The Fibonacci sequence found by looking at a bunch of rabbits reproducing has the same code or sequence of the DNA in humans (I know there is a connection... I'm just missing the details of it right now, it had something to do with orbit of planets too) ... the main idea I would give you is to look deeply into science and you will see there is a code or a sequence to everything and everything is connected to one another and it simply cannot be out of coincidence. There is, a grand designer, and you can recognize this with the scientific evidence we have today, provided you are willing to accept this fact with an open mind as you claim to have.

The main issue in our nature as humans is that we want the goods first, and make the payments later. With religion, it is all about making the payments first and then collect your rewards without even being able to see the goods beforehand. Sure it sounds like a trap, but this part is what you call "faith" or "trust" and it is something you need a lot of, to believe in a God.

A response to the picture you posted: You have free will that is why you are an atheist. Anyone can reject the scriptures and exit their religion using their free will. Do as I command, if you want to get closer to God in this world, as well as receive the pleasure of living in heaven in the hereafter. The choice is, and always will, remain our hands until the day we die.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  But why can't it all come from nowhere? Many say it can. I'm asking for a reason, and our inability to comprehend it doesn't suffice. I agree that science is beautiful, and maybe that's enough? I never had a religion, how do I pick the right one? Thx
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  arksysposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The work of God is beautiful. Science is the study of the work of God, but it still hasn't crossed over to the soul and philosophical side of things, coz it cannot prove anything. Once you start searching honestly, the right one will become obvious.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  @Irfan: this is a distinct possibility. The existence of what we would call a "soul" does little to convince me of an omnipotent creator though. Why does the presence of a soul mandate a creator? I am doing my best to search honestly but fruitlessly
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  arksysposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Quran 38:71-72
  When your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create man from clay. (71)So, once I make him perfectly and breath My spirit into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.” (72)
  The soul contains Gods spirit. He is within.
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  Philip Catlinposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I recommend the book, The God Theory, by Bernard Haisch. He outlines an interesting, non-dogmatic, non-religious view for the existence of a higher power.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  LK: Remember in your "search," what other book has as many "ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECIES" as the Bible? If you can't find, remember GOD SAID " Thou shalt have no other gods before me!" (Exd 20:3; Deut 5:7)!
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Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years ago
Quick Note: It seems like answers are leaning a bit toward the defensive side. I would like to state that I am in no way attacking anyone's freedom of belief. I'm only asking for more information on other peoples' thoughts.

This cannot harm you, and can only help me better understand your position. I may bring up words like reason and science. Those are my core beliefs. Please show courtesy when attempting to dismantle these concepts, and I will show you a similar (or higher) level of respect. If you want me to reject reason or science, you should consider providing support as to why.
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  arksysposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  you should have put this up in a forum, not in QA. Most ppl are defensive because we have not been shown the courtesy you talk about by atheists on HubPages. No one likes their belief to be insulted repeatedly. This is an image of an atheist we carry
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  Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  You know the truth is that there is no reasonable "evidence" of a god or gods because it would have been presented long before now. Even the so-called god written commandments in stone cannot be proven. All they have is "faith".
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  arksysposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  very true Lela.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  @Irfan: I believe to be acting courteously when responding to these questions. This was meant to be a call for answers, not a discussion.
  @Lela: I exactly agree. Their faith should be respected, but not forced upon me, or anyone else for that matter.
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  arksysposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  @luke. you have been courteous. thank you.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  @Irfan: you have as well. Thank you.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  @Luke I always get attacked. @Lela you are correct and they cannot or will not prove thier wods,
  I will refrain from this discussion becuz all I bring to any discussion is fighting. I do not belong here or anywhere, I think differently.
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  M Asif Jameelposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with Irfan, God doesn't need to prove himself, our lives and deaths are evidences that there is someone who is controlling us and controlling the universe and off course he is God
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  Cerulean Crayonposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Luke. Omnipotence may not be the hardest thing to believe. I think the most difficult thing to conceive of may be perfect good.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  They are both inherently irrational.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  " I may bring up words like reason and science. Those are my core beliefs." Which r against HIS WORD! Prov 3:5 "Lean not to YOUR OWN understanding." The "pride of life" (I Jn 2:16) is what MOST unbelievers MUST give up (ego)! If Not:U exceed GOD?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, keep in mind Jesus does not think like you .
  Mt 10:40“Whoever receives you receives me also, and whoever receives me receives also the One who sent me.
  While you take this as a joke of laughter
  You are making remarks to Jesus.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  &t: RT! I think like HIM striving to be “Christ-like!” Try it!
  U take as “joke” r u would “STUDY” v believing “twisted” doctrine & not TRUTH in HIS WORD! Being RT is more important than TRUTH & GOD “sees!” U MUST “STAND!” I will BOLDLY!
  J
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Studying faith defeats the object of spiritual feelings, in effect studying faiths is not a natural spiritual feeling, teaching faith is manufacturing a believe to a non believer's mindset......that is horrible
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  First,1 must humble1self & admit we r “creation” not CREATOR! Realize OT (murder) was done for HIS WILL (to come as Jesus Christ) to save us! STUDY-U will see! *“Natural” spiritual feeling?"=Contradicts! Walk out of *u & n2 "Spirit!" HIGHER
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Accept people do not believe in the shit you do, and stop trying to bully them into believing what you do, keep your love life private...we don't care what you and god get up to....we don't want to be involved
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Not bullying! Just saying "Choose!" Can't serve 2 masters & have not chosen GOD, then no other choice but Satanic!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Are you so stupid? I am not serving TWO masters, I am serving no masters..my choice is none of the fictional character.I do not believe in either God or Satan so how can I be serving TWO? Now please answer beings I am serving none of them, what am I?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: I've been telling u all along,U can't serve 2 masters!
  U can’t “plead the fifth” w/GOD! U’ve been told-today! Now “Choose!” If u do not choose GOD, u're Satanic! HIS WORD won't chg for ur "unbelief!"
  Does that answer your question?
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I can do what I want, I am God's messenger he has sent me to you to tell you that his plan as gone wrong and people need to stop following else it will lead to disaster. I am the chosen one you must listen lol....see how stupid that sounds
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Everyone has an "opinion" & u're entitled to urs! How r u going to fill that "empty spot?" More sin?
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J - R - Fr13m9nposted 9 years ago
John Lennon stated in one of his songs, "God is a concept by which we measure our pain". I find this question to be extremely difficult to answer and the reason is this: To explain G_d is to explain a concept. Yes G_d is a concept. How does one perceive G_d? Do we accept the traditional version where G_d is the Supreme Being, infinitely perfect who makes all things and keeps them in existence (this was the correct answer to a question during the Confirmation ceremony that Catholics participate in). According to what many of us have been taught, G_d is external from our existence. Our focus of G_d was to raise our heads and look towards the heavens. It is fine to question that accepted belief. It is a concept. Others believe in a different concept. This concept that I am trying to explain is that we are all connected in spirit. Our souls form the nucleus of God. Keep in mind these explanations are concepts and concepts are theories. There is no way I can prove to you that God exists and there is no way that I can prove that God doesn't exist. Philosophically speaking concepts can sometimes be proven yet on the other hand sometimes they cannot. Look inside your mind and discover your own theories of your existence and that of God's.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Fantastic answer. It is much easier to discredit a specific omnipotent being than your theory of interconnection. I think even some leading physicists would agree to the possibility of some kind of energetic oneness in some unknown realm/dimension.
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  arksysposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  a great answer jane.
  
  “I have lived on the lip of insanity,
  wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door.
  It opens.
  I've been knocking from the inside.”
  ~Rumi
  
  You want God; dive deep into your heart.
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  Biomedicalposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  You mean John Lennon the Satanist? He believed in Satan. Ipso facto, he believed in God... just chose poorly. Extremely, with eternal consequences, poorly.
  Thing is, Satanists lie.
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  artblack01posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Lennon was hardly a satanist, he did dive into hinduism, whether or not he was full hindu in his life I dont know.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I'm wondering if there's a whole separate internet people are getting their information from. Am I not working with a complete set of information? What is it... http://god.[domain].god? How do I not know about this?
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  Cerulean Crayonposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Does perfection exist? (Other than in the circle and in words like "round")
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Quantum mechanics means that there's always some random fluctuation occurring somewhere, so in the physical realm it seems like no, there's no such thing as perfection. Even the most carefully constructed thing has some imperfect deviation.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "..in the physical realm it seems like (It is) no, there's no such thing as perfection," but in the Spiritual realm Matt 5:48 JESUS SAID "Be perfect!" How? Believing, having FAITH in His Word & Walking in the Spirit (24/7) as in Gal 5:16-17!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN, you are fictional to me at this point do not write me, you do not believe in what who writes the bible , why should I believe what you write here. I know of you less.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  God told me to write to you, he has chose me to pass on the message that his book is not going to plan so I need to get people to stop following that path else disaster will arise..LOLS see how pathetic that sounds, that is what believers sound like
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: Everyone has an "opinion!" U are also entitled to yours!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes your right. And unfortunately I have to share mine because of the way you preach to people and treat people as if they never heard of the God thing, and treat them as if they're not capable of choosing if it is fiction or not.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: If you have chosen & not of GOD, continue "searching" to fill that "empty spot" but, again, NOTHING will fill but GOD! I know! I did the same thing!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  MM , I like that example, I certainly learn something about FBN, just talking not judging ,I know what he dislikes so I do not want to offend him, rather he believes In God or not
  Me as a believer can not say who will be in the end, we all are gifts
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  K&T what I do not get though is I HAVE NO EMPTY SPOT but Norrine is tryin 2 make me believe I have 1 2 fill it with her believes, there is nothing to fill, I am content with life without a faith, she is creating this EMPTY SPOT so the book rings
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: "just talking not judging ,I know what he dislikes so I do not want to offend him, rather he believes In God or not. ALL AGAINST WORD! Ps 37:30=JUDGE! Did JESUS not "offend" when unblvrs (Matt 21:12-13)! Why u diff if blvr?
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Sulabhaposted 9 years ago
Our daughter's marriage was fixed and we had no money. My earnings were irregular and my husband's business was not yielding anything. And one fine day my father disclosed on phone that he had long ago made a Fixed Deposit on my daughter's name. The wedding took place without the slightest difficulty and all cruel people on my husband's side had to eat a humble pie.
Also, today all those relatives who deliberately created problems in my husband's work are facing difficulties. My M-I-L has gone insane and so many other things have happened in last 2-3 years.
All this could not have happened without God's intervention or strong command.
Even now, there are times when I feel there is someone making my path easy when I am in the midst of a very challenging situation.
Yes, there is some form of natural justice prevailing in this world.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for your input Sulabha, I love hearing stories like this. I do believe some of the credit should be given to your father (not Father), but overall I think that your relationship with this "natural justice" is overwhelmingly positive. Kudos/Thx
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  WOW! Luke, if that's what u needed (one's testimony), I don't have enough room but I can say this Scripture is TRUE! I Chron 16:22 "Touch not my anointed ones, do my prophets no harm!"
  I've been called "a witch" based on that Scripture alone!
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Besarienposted 9 years ago
Hi Luke! There are those who would say everything is evidence. If you mean in the sense of proof positive, then no. Religious people rely on our faith that God exists. I believe simply because I do. You don't believe and as far as I am concerned- vive la différence. I don't require that everyone in the world believe what I believe about anything. Variety makes the world a whole lot less boring.

Honestly though; I think without belief nothing can constitute proof or be known. Some people will never believe that man walked on the moon or that the Holocaust occurred regardless of what proof is offered to them. How can we be certain humans can even perceive reality when there is so much that we know that we can't perceive? I believe God is beyond our perception and beyond our understanding.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I love this answer Besarien. Thank you for respecting my belief system, and I will continue to respect yours. I agree that we should embrace differing viewpoints in the combat against monotony. I like your point on our perception of reality, I agree.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN the point is our eyes can not see micro
  Organisms that give message in our DNA
  Which was discovered, were people crazy before who new this but could not produce
  Satisfied proof of ridicule.
  Now there is no doubt. If you exist,So does GOD.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I say YES! If not, why can't unbelievers provide a book w/more accurate fulfilled prophecies than the Bible; otherwise, just using "proof" as an excuse! THEY KNOW!
  "Choose" (Joshua 24:15)!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB, you just say anything, and you really believe what you say. I have nothing more to say to you because you are disrespectful on any basis hear. Can not communicate with people who are foul mouth.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I KNOW! For JESUS said "HYPOCRITES" (Matt 23); FOOLS (Gal 3) & u certainly can not communicate with HIM!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Every word I have used is a word from the dictionary, which in turn is a word permitted UNDER THE BIBLE INSTRUCTIONS......see how you believers pick and choose what parts of the bible to listen too? Anyhow, you up for that challenge mate?
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Seems rather presumptuous for a human to decide who is worthy of communicating with god.
  
  And people wonder why I use the word arrogant alot...
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  don't even know how god managed to spell his name in times when alphabets didn't exist lol, let alone write a fucking book
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  ValKarasposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Besarien: In all honesty it's been hard for me to find an answer so identical in every detail to mine. I salute your mind after all normative/critical opinions about God that I have encountered on Q.& A..I believe, but in my own version of God.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I have wrote my own forum about God creating satan, and how religion is a business....have a look....
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  GUYS: NO ONE VALUES IGNORANCE!
  
  MY, MY, MY, & I, I, I is ALL I hear from U “self righteous” demons!
  MY GOD told me to “..shake the dust off my feet.” Converse w/each other to reaffirm ur “ignorant” beliefs!
  Go to sleep for ur "opinions" are!
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Only ignorant and closed minded people shut down those of differing viewpoints simply because their views are different.
  
  Lately that's all you've been doing Norine, and calling others satanic to boot.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  LinK: I serve THE CREATOR, u serve "self!"
  Now who's "ignorant?"
  U can't serve two masters. Either GOD or Satan. No in between! Therefore, unbeliever = Satanic!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Link the example applies because a theft also took place between The Father, and Adam, that caused a short life span for him and us, we are just living off the power of the human body, which drains of power quickly, and also causes malfunction.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: Again?
  "Paper Trail!"
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  At minimum the human life span increases every decade.
  
  How would an increasing life span, which in your context should mean a preservation if not increase in power, cause malfunctions?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine I also told you do not reply to me again , so either you are mentally deranged, or you have some very bad mental problems, because you can not control your words and conduct on this site. Again do not post to me.or you will regret it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: Nor u me! (Matt 10:14)! U've ALREADY BEEN DEFEATED - SATAN!
  THANK GOD!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I can control my words, I use words that are printed in my dictionary...God is a swear word in my eyes but keeps getting used, just like fuck is in ur eyes. P.X I posted to Norinne not you anyway so what you going on about?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Links malfunctions that we are not suppose to have them,
  People were meant to live longer then trees or animals, and now if you can make it to 80 that special, but generations of time have drained our genes down to more humans dieing sooner.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: I commend u man, in that you r "open & honest" in ur belief. "God is a swear word in my eyes but keeps getting used, just like fuck is in ur eyes, " & don't give a (blank) who/what cares about it. Unfortunately, geared wrong! If same ene
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine leave FB alone you have caused him anguish , you are not helping repeatedly saying things to him. He is a nice guy but you are the one bring out contention, please stop.
  You are Harassing people in the name of religion Jesus does not condone
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Kiss, the average (natural) life span now is about 80 years, but the oldest people have reached is between 100-120 years old. People were lucky to make it past their 30s just a few hundred years ago
  
  So what are you talking about people dying sooner?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Link sooner like the example of the alternator and battery.
  Read supercentenarian ages.,
  Really the body regenerates replacing cells of bones and flesh, muscle, we should never grow old, but we do because something is missing , like a alternator
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  LoliHeyposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Link, people die sooner because they don't care for themselves. We are not meant to live forever in our bodies now, but our soul lives forever, and Jesus will restore our bodies. Something to think about. Norine: you are spot on.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Read the comments on this one, it is a perfect example of why preaching/grouping ur believes is causing you to agree to blowing people up
  http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy … -for-satan
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  FB: NOPE!! Perfect example of how "wolves" come in "sheep" clothing & w/o Holy Spirit's discernment, 1 will be taken in by syrupy LIES!
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  Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Okey doke, So we're just going to keep ignoring the human lifespan continues to increase as time passes..
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  LinK: U'd better IF u want to please GOD!
  Rm 8:8 "So, then, they that r in the flesh cannot please GOD."
  This is a "Spiritual" (mature) journey!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Link it is true many people say bad or worse, but is it proper to assume people welcome the foulness, would it be proper if some one assumed you like to smell mess in their pants , so they just sit and stand in your presence .the mouth is the same.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If 1 can't stand the "mess in the pants," move around!
  JESUS always went to "mess in the pants" when teaching, saving!
  HE has ALWAYS made "the least the greatest," not as U!
  If 1 can't see ur "syrupy LIES," they MUST be BLIND!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So you are Link, I am not replying to you , why are you still posting a d replying to me , I am not saying anything to you.
  But so since you want to say something to me , you who disgrace the name of Jesus is the example using the BC word here.
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  FootballNutposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norrine. We have a choice you say. We also have a CHOICE right NOW weather to turn the place we live into hell or heaven, this world could be lovely but the ACTIONS of the greedy faiths is turning where WE live right NOW into hell....why?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  FB: It's not only the "greedy faiths," there r "greedy" politicians, pharmaceutical companies, ALL society displays "greed" bcuz Bible will be fulfilled! I Tim 6:10 says "..the LOVE of money is the root of ALL evil.." What I LOVE re: Bible=2 Pet 1:3
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  FootballNutposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Then your FAITH is disgusting for allowing greedy politicans to use your faith to seek greed....You need to go find things out about who is behind the politicians/making them bark orders to puppets like us, you might learn how see through faith is
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  FB: NO! It was prophesied in Bible & will b fulfilled! I AGREE! Society (man) is EVIL! We MUST go BEYOND their immature ("carnal") way of thinking & into the Mature ("Spiritual") realm of life! They will come! 1 day they'll drive "telepathi
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine if you feel like you are doing Jesus work by saying the things you say , then it is Jehovah and Jesus will back you if I am wrong, nothing more to say to you. I AM FINISHED.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: "Jesus & Jehovah?" Did u not STUDY (I Cor 12=ONE SPIRIT)? WORD given (WHO IS GOD) has ALREADY "backed me up!"
  U were "defeated" (FINISHED) from the beginning!
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  FootballNutposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norrine and K&T do you not realise u r both bickering because u r BOTH right? ur both RIGHT because they r ur views and beliefs.so this could escalate to a fight between you both (war) and it will be because u r both right..that is what faith doe
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  Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Kiss, I really have no idea what you're talking about. Mainly because of the manic need you and Norine have to post on 20 different threads rather than wait for a response and keep everything together.
  
  What the hell is BC?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  FB: Remember "Choose" (Josh 24:15)? No n btwn or half truths! If both rt, based on WORD, someone's wrong! Holy Spirit "leads & guides" who tells ALL truth! Based on her comments (ignorant), how rt?
  LinK:I asked of "twisted" postings & beliefs
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I am going to apologize for hurting your feelings , but not telling the truth, for the peace of this forum. NE XT If YOU Continue YOUR Attacks I expose the source.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: Who are u talking to? U comment "out of sequence," don't address to whom you're speaking, yet want "PEACE?" I Corinthians 14:40 says EVERYTHING "should be done DECENTLY & IN ORDER!"
  Then, why do u cont 2 display MORE "UnChrist-likenes
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine the game is over, I apologize for offending you.
  But not telling the truth.
  So there is nothing left to say . Peace Norine to you , I mean it from my heart.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: You see! Your problem is you think the WORD of GOD is a "game!" As you know by now, NO ONE or NOTHING can STOP HIS WORD!
  What TRUTH? Hiding behind "syrupy sweet LIES," isn't TRUTH! ONLY HIS WORD is TRUTH!
  I forgive, but talk to JESUS!
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cobrienposted 9 years ago
You can find all the evidence you want inside a 12 Step meeting. All those people who are clean and sober are that way only by the grace of God.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  But shouldn't some credit be given to the altruistically supportive individuals that comprise that group? We are so hesitant to think we are capable of helping ourselves and others. I think the human species is more powerful than we give it credit.
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  feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Luke M. Simmons, and from where do you suppose that the human species derives their power? Are they powerful just because they are, or just because that is the way that things came to be -- from out of nowhere?
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  Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Where does Jesus say it all comes from...WITHIN. What is FAITH...not religion...trust in ONESELF. Nobody can give anyone that.
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  Josephf bailey jrposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  AMEN just celebrated 19 Years
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  DEB: Not in "ONESELF," but GOD! When GOD breathed HIS Spirit into Adam (man), we became "in the image of GOD!" That spirit has infinite capabilities, depending on 1's "Level of FAITH" in HIS WORD!
  This is a Spiritual journey (Jn 4:24), not "SELF!"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN, or does that make your coach and team players evil because you decided not to play football by the coaches order or playbook, is football fiction,no,
  Neither is the word of God, neither is he evil because people do not want to listen to him.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: YOU'RE SICK (The Devil's Advocate)! U MUST stand before the judgment seat of Christ & GOD will remember U so be VERY careful w/ur "sneaky, manipulative, lying" ways!
  Haven't u been PROVEN under Q "Why r Christians Afraid to Follow Jesu
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  But I do know why you are acting as though nothing can happen. I do not control what HP can do . But I can control what I can do.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  So K&T what you are saying is that FREEDOM of speech that you probably shout your great country has can in fact only be used by those that say they RIGHT THINGS? - Well in that case tell preachers to FUCK OFF preaching MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH BEING
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  FB: It appears! WORD is only RIGHT THING! GOD "exists" for who else could've known these prophecies yrs n adv but GOD? Admit it! Cont "searching" & if lucky, n 10 yrs, u MIGHT recall some of these comments fm Bible!
  I pray!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus allows me to help people learn the truth , you are working against it trying to attack me for your personal ego.
  What can a person learn from your wrath, hatred, name calling, nothing but to avoid you. You let people see the real you everyday.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  “Jesus allows you” to “choose” & u have chosen! With friends like u, HE doesn’t need “enemies!” Half truths r LIES! WORD given! Ignorant, fool, & others used r fm WORD! STUDY! U don’t help anyone but Satan! U've ---- ("Chosen")!
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Snøwmanposted 9 years ago
Proving the existence of God isn't as simple as just giving a list a scientific evidence of his existence. Mostly because we just don't have enough of it.

Most of the time there isn't one event or one thing that someone says that convinces one to believe in God. It's many events and experiences that all connect together. Like pixels, you look at one and it's just a square with a solid color. It's nothing important and has very little meaning, but combined with other pixels it makes a picture. Start by praying, reading the bible and doing what it says, attending different churches, and other things like that and just observe the effect of religion on your life.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  But we aren't just looking at single "pixels," we are looking at statistically robust data sets. This is where your analogy fails. I think small sample sizes are more often offered at positive proof than negative.
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  MarieLBposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Gee Snowman, I have never heard that analogy about pixels before, and I like it. It makes perfect sense.!
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Snow: Yes!
  Luke: You're "looking" fm a "carnal" point of view & this is not a "carnal" journey! U MUST go BEYOND the physical realm & into the Spiritual realm to begin to understand (Jn 4:24)! "Statistically robust data sets"="carnal!"
  Thk
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Lady Guinevereposted 9 years ago
Look in the mirror... for that is where Jesus said that the Kingdom of God was. It includes all the answers that you could ever want and all the laws that you need to live by. It also has anything that you could ever dream up, as in imagination. Be careful with your thoughts though and the emotions that you put behind them for those will be what you bring back to you. God (the one within you) knows everything that you do because it is you. You will bring about KARMA as in... do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you want people to treat you the same way that you are treating them then make sure that you love Thy Neighbor as Yourself. What do you see in that mirror and how well do you know the God inside of you?
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  J - R - Fr13m9nposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I can relate to the spirituality within one's self. Tap into it because it is an energy source.
  Have you ever touched an antenna and the TV reception was clear? That spiritual power possesses electrical and cosmic power.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  People are kept in the dark so they would not realize the power that is within them. They are God and they have that pwoer to create with thoughts, but they won't hear of it and I am lying.. Dumbing Down for alterior motives that aren't good.
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  Michael-Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  With all due respect, people are not God, or whatever your "they" stands for...
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  Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  With all due respect that is what the church wants you to beleive because if you knew what you can really do, you would not need to go to church anymore. I stand by the words Of Jesus on this one and all can argue with me till the cows come home.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  @JRF: The TV antenna thing actually works with tin foil too. It just makes the signal stronger because the increased surface area picks up more EM radiation.
  
  @everyone: this is supposed to be a call for answers, not a forum to argue about nuances.
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  Michael-Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  My apology Luke M. Simmons for ' honest mistake ' responding in a form of argument, but my nature has just jump up against a false statement.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Michael, prove it false. Prove what Kuke states is false. PROOF is on you.
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  Michael-Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Debra Allen
  "" Luke M.Simmons @ everyone: this is supposed to be a call for answer, not a forum yo argue about nuances.""
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  Buildrepsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Lady Guinevere is right. Everyone is an expression of the 'monad', the divine spark. You can become God.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I will note though, as I have said before, that the burden of proof is on those claiming something. @Michael: no worries: it is a natural inclination. I have failed to hold myself back in a few instances as well.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  @Michael, I asked a question of you for your proof, not an argument. You make it an argument, just like all the others around here. Where is YOUR proof and that is also what Luke asked and you cannot answer.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  @LG: Three thumbs up.
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  Michael-Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Debra Allen thanks for judging me saying " You make it an argument..." Not at all, it isn't my nature to argue , the least with a lady. Do you know what you asking me to PROVE " What Kuke states is false"-- can you explain what are you talking abou
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  Michael Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  @ Luke M. Simons, thanks for your kind words and classy lesson of communication - rightly. I could not understand who Luke asked proof after I already came to the end of "reasonable explanation while there is none...
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  Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Michael, aren't you just funny...NOT. That is all you keep doing you that judge right off the bat and start the arguements...then you come back and twist it to what you want to think and it is not even close to what happened. You did start it first
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  Buildrepsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "the burden of proof is on those claiming something". I suggest to read the book first. All the prove is there and it's mathematical, but not the false experimental materialistic one. I can provide you the whole series (21 books), only if you want.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  @BR: yes, I would like that. Thank you.
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  Michael-Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Debra Allen, you said Kuke instead Luke and for all your dealings now you want to blame me. OK go ahead blame me as much as you want for anything you want nothing will affect me at all.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Michael, that was a typo. I do not blame you at all. What is your problem? All you do is twist, twist and you can not answer the questioned ask. U skirt all around it and make lots os smoke. PROVE my Answer is false!
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  Buildrepsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  @Luke, I will send you a link to your e-mail. It will have to pass the HP verification. Read the books in the order 1 to 21, so don't mess this up Have fun!
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Just for the record, pointing out a typo does not validate an argument any more than the thpo itself invalidates another argument, which is not at all.
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  promisemposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. Nor does pointing out a minor factual error invalidate an entire argument.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  DEBRA IS RIGHT!
  If we BELIEVE & have a LEVEL OF FAITH that EXCEEDS, Jn 14:12 says (n red) "...He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; & GREATER WORKS THAN THESE SHALL HE DO..."
  Explain that if Debra isn't RIGHT!
  Hall
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meramourposted 9 years ago
I echo your sentiment, but consider myself agnostic rather than an atheist. The difference, at least in my simplistic version, is that between knowledge and belief. I don't believe that there is 'no god', but rather that there is no way of knowing. I just don't know. This could be construed as a cop-out, but it isn't. A segue for another discussion, perhaps.
Unlike you, I was raised with religion. I was a little girl full of questions for which there were no answers. As an adult, I still ask questions, but have faith in what I know. I'm a natural skeptic and rely on reasoning, testing and evidence; in my opinion, there is no evidence for the existence of God.
I have witnessed, and have a deep respect for, the beauty, serenity and peace that comes with undying faith in God. In contrast, one might expect someone like me to be cold, lost, uncaring or apathetic. Quite the opposite. I am full of love, respect, strength and a keen sense to share it. My spirituality comes from within; not because I'm told to, but because of my faith in humanity.
Thank you for the opportunity to share. I have found your hubs and questions very interesting and look forward to further reading and commenting.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I actually agree with you whole heartedly. Atheism just means not-theistic. This means the same thing as agnostic, or not-Gnostic. Gnostic and theistic are essentially the same thing in my opinion. I realize there are colloquial differences tho.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "IMO, there is no evidence for the existence of God." Then why can't anyone provide a book w/as many ACCURATE PROPHECIES as the Bible? What man could have known this yrs in advance if not given revelation fm GOD? Explain!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Then take your own advice , what you don't believe does not give you the right to say what you say. You can say what you want , she can say what she wants even though I do disagree.
  You are hypocritical. One sided.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  One sided, I have heard the rumour about this God Bloke, and choose not to believe, believers will not accept that and feel the need to preach and call those who don't believe twisted etc.read the original post the guy wants evidence not preaching to
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN , you call this a rumor, certain rumors have been known to be true. You say Rumor
  But there is proof it is not , so it is a matter of what you believe is proof, everyone's proof is not the same. Or may never be . Proof can be rejected.And real
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Then why in GOD'S NAME can't ANYONE provide that book?
  She would disagree w/WORD & agree w/u for "Birds of a feather, flock together" (Ps 119:63)!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Because no one has made a story up about another tale before the made up one that you preach about. God, big companies must love that book, it earns them billions every year to celebrate a character called Jesus's birthday who stars in that story
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB, I think the book is wonderful, it has treasures of the past and present,it is a book that many humans do not understand
  how it effects them personal, true anyone can make a buisness out of anything even humans, the book is valuble without money
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, lets put that theory to the test. Lets do an experiment lets get everyone not going to their versions on churches, or buying religious products/celebrating faith for 1 year, and you will see the value it has, P.S something else will be made up
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The Assyrian prophecy tablets, a Mesopotamian model perfected in Assyria 2800 and 2500 BCE and adopted by the ancient Israelites 538–332 BCE. Nothing new under the sun, Norine.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: Provide that book?
  Taop: "The Assyrian prophecy tablets," I BLV GOD IS THE CREATOR of ALL & bcuz Bible was not "compiled" until AFTER they discovered tablets, doesn't mean anything! If HE created ALL,tablets written by HIM & Satan has f
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  See this is why I have to be rude and disrespectful, because all you say is provide a book....for fuck sake forget books..NO BOOK in your view was MADE UP before the one you believe in so there is no book..but stop thinking your book is true,
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  BOY don't make me loose my JESUS on u!
  If THE CREATOR is THE CREATOR (which I BELIEVE) there is/was NOTHING before GOD! So, go to bed before I say something I will regret or is that ur intent - Satan!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Have you EVER READ any other book or did you just read the one you believe in and went with the flow because that is what your surroundings believe in? If you have read every other religious book, please tell me why you chose this one to believe in?
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Well that was interesting. Don't think I've ever seen Norine flip out like that. Snapshots for the memories...
  
  invoking Satan when you're upset doesn't really do much for your position norine, just makes it lose more and more credibility
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB:R u “trying” to insult MY intelligence? I’m sorry dear but n order for u 2 insult me,I must 1st value YOUR “opinion!” Nice try though! Need I boast? Did u lv rm?
  Link:I KNOW who u r! SATAN (NO CREDITABILITY @ ALL)! MY psn=0! Only GOD'S MATTERS!
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  You may not value anyone's opinion, but you certainly do value your own. That's clear enough. Anyone not agreeing with Norine, aka God's ambassador, is no less than the devil's own. Does it never get tiring? Don't you ever want to just breathe?
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  recappers delightposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  There may be no way for you to know. That may be because you choose not to know. That may be because you have not seen Him. Honestly. I bear witness to Him. I have seen Him. He has spoken to Me. Go in peace, brother, and know that He loves you.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Taop: “MY own?” NOPE! GOD’S! Either GOD or SATAN=”Choose” (Josh 24:15)!
  NOPE! NEVER tiring! I breathe, do u r "taking up space?"
  Created for "praise," do u? I do!
  I listen to the Voice of GOD Mk 1:10-11 & "HE is well pleased!"
  (Not me talking!
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Good-night, Norine.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Taop: "Choose" (Josh 24:15) "creation!"
  
  Have a good night!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Seen him, do you know how crazy you sound? To be honest I for one do not give one rats ass if you have seen him or not, that is your bond that I believe to be false,keep your thoughts and believes private, and tell your gang to stop preachin hate/God
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: What's going on n ur life? Why is ur conscience (GOD) bothering u like this? R u listening?
  Is it bcuz RELIGION (society) r hyprocrites & have "perverted The Gospel of Christ?"
  If so, I AGREE! MOST=$!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  See what is happening is GOD is branding the public that choose not to follow his instruction as a fictional character called the devil..he is creating the brands that YOU BELIEVERS bracket people too....how judgemental and horrible is that?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  THE CREATOR can “brand” ANYTHING HE WILLS-HE is GOD, not the “creation” (u)! “Judgmental?” No in between! Either Good or evil, GOD or Satan – “Choose” (Josh 24:15)!
  What traumatic exp have u incurred? Lost of a love? What?
  Why GOD bash?
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  So what your saying is YOU have the right to brand people who don't believe in existence of GOD as outcasts..haha always the way, because someone don't believe in god or satan you automatically presume they have had life traumas....what a joke
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine I can tell you that you dont know jackshit about me outside of what you see here on HP, which hasnt been alot, so keep your childish outbursts to yourself
  
  Its a shame I can disagree with you and not think you of Satan yet you cant do the same
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: No! I don’t have the right, but GOD does! Something makes u thk so “ignorant” that u rule or are “greater than THE CREATOR!” Now that’s a joke!
  LinK: “Childish?” Carnal v Spiritual is “Childish?”
  U can't thk on spiritual level!
  Grow Up!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  There is no creator so how can you PRESUME I think I am greater than him, you seem to think everyone thinks like you, they don't, you think he exists I don't. At the end of the day your preaching to people because you believe in the tale,
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  How did thgs come into existence if no Creator? Back to Q, what book has more accurately fulfilled prophecies than Bible that only THE CREATOR could have known many yrs ago? No "man" could've known yrs ago? Explain!
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The only person showing that they need to grow up is you Norine. So far anyone that has disagreed with you you have called followers of Satan, even someone who in essence believes the same as you.
  
  Shame.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  LinK: I BELIEVE GOD (WORD)! If HE says"U can't serve two masters," "Choose" & there's no in between, either GOD or Satan, who am I?
  Heb 4:12 says "For the word of God is living, powerful, & sharper than a 2 edged sword..."
  TRUTH hurts!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Norrine, THAT IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE....others may not.....so therefor do not feel the need to have to make a choice between TWO fictional characters.you have no right nor does God to make anyone choose...he is bribing people which is a crime lol
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: HE is GOD, not U! U r the creation, HE is THE CREATOR! "Bribe?" HE said "Choose!"
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I don't follow God. I don't follow Satan.
  
  To maintain that I follow the latter simply because I don't follow the former shows your unwillingness to accept your God does not have the power to sway someone who is neutral but somehow Satan does.
  
  Weak.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  HE gives “Choice” (Free Will)! U’ve chosen Satan–Now that’s “Weak!” But who’s (what’s) going to fill that “empty spot” u're trying to fill with sin? NOTHING will fill it but YOUR CREATOR who u will eventually reconcile with, if u want "peace!"
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  My supposed creator should be intelligent enough to know he needs to prove his existence in order for me to make an informed decision.
  
  Saying that "I don't know, therefore I cant believe" automatically means I follow Satan is just stupidly ignorant.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "he needs to prove his existence" What other book has as many ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECIES as the Bible & what "man" could have known these thgs yrs prior to fulfillment? ONLY GOD! U refuse to accept!
  If GOD says IT, IT IS SO - not "ignorant!"
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I believe I asked you earlier what those prophecies were, and in this context, they would have to be very specific. Simple guesses do not prove gods existence.
  
  And a book no one can agree on is the last credible source I would turn to.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  LinK: As I told u before (lack of sp) U Google everything else, Google!
  "Book no one can agree on?"
  Satan's job is to keep blvrs confused (w/RELIGION) & unblvrs wondering "Why bother?" (Eph 6:12)
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Not enough space with all the manic posting you do on diff threads? One by one is fine.
  
  And how exactly do you know that you aren't the confused one, and that Kiss is the correct one? You seemed awfully quick to denounce her and say she's in a cult.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Link: ANY RELIGION that is a "Spin Off" from THE WORD OF GOD, & "a man" created new interpretation that goes against what was "originally" stated (Rev 22:18-19), what would u call, if u were a blvr?
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  About those prophecies...
  
  It's almost guaranteed, with all the edits and rewrites, that whatever version you believe in Norine is also a spin off of what was originally written.
  
  Go figure.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  “Spin off” or not Holy Spirit DOES “lead & guide into ALL truth,” so, irrelevant!
  FACT:U still cannot produce a book that has as many “accurate fulfilled prophecies” as the Bible, so “God Figured!”
  Hate to admit it, don’t U?
  PROOF:THERE IS A GO
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  LoliHeyposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Link- There are spin offs simply because Satan will mimic what God does. God created--Satan mimic and distorted. With the sole intention of confusing people and pitting them against each other. God came first.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Preaching & Teaching is not fact. Please talk about experiences with the lord rather than using quotes from the bible.experiences are FACT, unknown authors of books are not FACT.anyone had a experience of the spirit - without it being earth or li
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  Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You don't like to read do you Norine...
  
  Remember when I said I don't know about the prophecies of the bible, let alone any other religious book's prophecies? Then I asked you to list some prophecies.
  
  Still waiting...one by one is fine.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You are the one that used the BS, word here and call yourself Jesus follower, people know hypocrites when they hear one,
  Show once when I cussed in the name of Jesus.
  Nor do I bully , and rant names at everyone , go learn how to be a Christian .
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Amen Lolita! FB: WORD is FACT! Provide book! LinK: No u “don’t want to read TRUTH!” I’m “still waiting” for book! K&t: They KNOW U! “Go learn WORD” to prevent making additional "ignorant" statements!
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feenixposted 9 years ago
My reaction to this question is the following:

Does anyone have any evidence that God does not exist? Moreover, can anyone out there provide solid proof that God does not exist?
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  JMcFarlandposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  This is the fallacy of shifting the burden of proof. We do not believe everything until it's proven wrong, that's absurd. You would have to believe in every god ever proposed. The positive claim (that God exists) has the burden of proof.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  JM they ALWAYS twist it around. They cannot just think for themselves. It is NOT in their bodies.
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  feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Julie McFarland, actually, it cuts both ways. When arguing that God does NOT exist, non-believers have the burden of proof. And on the other hand, when believers argue that God does exist, they have the burden of proof.
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  JMcFarlandposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I don't argue that gods don't exist or make a positive claim. I don't believe in any gods, which is different than asserting that no gods exist.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you JM. Yes, feenix, asserting that one does not believe in any god does not carry with it any burden. We are not trying to prove there is no god, only saying there is no reason to believe in such a thing. Understand now?
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  feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Luke, you wrote, "I am an atheist, which to me only means that I haven't been shown requisite evidence to convince me of an omnipotent, all-knowing deity of any kind." You contradicted yourself, right?
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  JMcFarlandposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong. Atheism typically simply means the lack of a belief in a god. Gnostic atheism is the assertion that there is no God, which is how you seem to be attempting to define atheism as a whole, but that's simply not the case.
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  feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  McFarland, I am not attempting to come up with my own definition of atheism, because I have known the actual definition ever since the 1950s. And your "snarkiness" is not cute.
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  JMcFarlandposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not attempting to be snarky, I'm attempting to explain what atheism is and isn't to someone who would apparently rather strawman it to negate their own burden of proof, but thanks. I'll let you know when I'm trying to be snarky or cute though.
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  feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Well, McFarland, I guess you won't be adding me to your Christmas card list ... whoops, I forgot ...
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  JMcFarlandposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, if the best a theist can do in a discussion is make up and infer things about my manner of speaking that they dislike, their position has already lost. I prefer honest and intelligent conversation.
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  feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  McFarland, lighten up. Be cool. Please do the same as I have done -- and that is accept the fact that you and I march to different drummers.
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  JMcFarlandposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, I'm not the one who accused you off snark incorrectly, said it wasn't cute and then tried to tell you what to do. I'm perfectly calm. Just saying that resorting to personal comments negates your ability to defend your position reasonably.
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  feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  McFarland, I sincerely apologize for accusing you of being snarky. That was uncalled for. And besides, I was born and raised in Hollywood and have been living in New York City for the past 36 years. So, everything is okay with me.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Feenix: I couldn't, for the life of me, find where I contradicted myself. Perhaps you could begin to substantiate your claim? JM is right, I think you're confusing general atheism with gnostic atheism. It is a common mistake. Don't feel bad.
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  feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Luke, my saying you contradicted yourself was incorrect. You did not do that. However, I will say one thing -- and that is, I have NO doubt that God exists, even though I cannot prove it. That is what we backwards primitives call Blind Faith.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you for correcting yourself.
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  artblack01posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Blind faith often sends you walking into walls and off of cliffs, or drinking the poison cool aide.
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  feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  artblack, what you wrote are NOT examples of Blind Faith. They are examples of stupidity.
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  promisemposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Atheists often think that faith is the basis of religion. It is only a byproduct of spiritual experience, which is the basis.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, no one can see him. nor as anyone ever seen him. I consider that as evidence.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  LK: "We are not trying to prove there is no god, only saying there is no reason to believe in such a thing." Well provide that book?
  FB: I Tim 3:16!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Angele A good doctor would not be effective in his skill , just reading one book, one source of infomation, even college students have many books to dig in to be the best they be in the future.The library I gave you can help, view, compare, script.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What other book does not LIE?
  Some people are so "worldly," "carnal," "unspiritual," & evil!
  No "in between!" Either man (Satan) or GOD (Spirit)!
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jgshorebirdposted 9 years ago
Not me. I think the entire concept is degrading. The fantasy that a better place exists - just take it on faith. It (the God Fantasy) tells you that this world is crap. Just deal with it, struggle, but don't worry - all will be better later. Snake oil. Don't buy it.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  That is an excellent point. If you are so dissatisfied with this world that you have to fabricate a second one, why would you not reallocate some of that energy to bettering your current reality? Acknowledging climate change would be a good start.
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  EA Balboaposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  But do you disagree that this world IS crap? A true believer in the life-giving power of Jesus does not, however, leave it at that. We are to be instruments of love and grace during our time here. Believing the world is crap doesn't equal passivity.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  WOW! Beginning to exp BENEFITS available to u via BELIEF in HIS WORD, is the ONLY way u will shown "your opinion" of "the GOD Fantasy" is UNTRUE!
  "Study" (II Tim 2:15)!
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Josephf bailey jrposted 9 years ago
It sounds like you are looking for something tangible that you can touch or maybe even something physical you shouldn't be trying to know GOD after the flesh hearing , feeling , tasting etc.and you are LOOKING outside of yourself; the mere fact that you have taken time to even mention the name GOD shows that you have given GOD ground for GOD to be Inyour life(GOD thinks through man) as a spirit GOD does not know what an erection feels like so GODhas to incarnate himself in man because the man has a physical body.
The same goes for a woman GOD does not know how it feels to have multiple orgasms so she has to incarnate herself in woman to be able to feel that experience; I pray I gave you some clarity PEACE
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Am I misunderstanding the term "omniscient?"
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  ...god doesn't know what its like to have multiple orgasms.............
  
  .........lol
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  right?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Joe: This is a Spiritual journey & thgs not addressed in WORD (Rm 15:18), leave alone!
  Luke: U have it RIGHT! HE KNOWS ALL! Joe should have used WORD (Heb 4:15-16) rather than that obnoxious illustration!
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GizSleepposted 9 years ago
Whilst I have no proof of God, I'd simply argue that people have no proof there is no God. I understand the theory of evolution and, despite being a Christian, believe that theory is correct. However, science has been unable to answer the question of what happened or what existed before the big bang and until they do so, I choose to believe God orchestrated the event. But with regards to the meme about free will, I believe we do have free will as we choose whether to follow the commandments or not. You may follow the rules at school or at work but you would still consider yourself to have free will, you're just more likely to be reprimanded if you break those rules and praised if you follow them. I do consider myself a realistic Christian in the sense that I explore logic before proclaiming an act of God (let's be honest, in a tornado if I threw a bible at somebody and they didn't see me do it, they might presume it was a message from God) but I choose to believe in God and I don't think anybody will truly have the answer until they pass away.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I have not, nor at the time of this writing has anyone in this forum, claimed proof of no god. All I asked for was proof of one. It is somewhat possible that something we could potentially name "god" created the Big Bang... we might never know.
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  EA Balboaposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Go watch the doc about the Hadron Collider. One very atheistic scientist says something to the effect "if we discover x, then someone very caring is guiding every detail of the universe." An inconclusive but fascinating and eye-opening documentary.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  LK: I wish someone/anyone would provide me with that book! Who else could have prophesied this through man but GOD thousands of years prior to fulfillment?
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MarieLBposted 9 years ago
I do not have the evidence you ask for, but I do have a question, which you may be able to help me with.

Can you prove that air is everywhere [except in a vacuum]?
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Like, by outlining its exact contents? That's a tough one.
  
  Nitrogen: 78.084%
  Oxygen: 20.946%
  Argon: 0.9340%
  Carbon Dioxide: 0.0397%
  Neon: 0.001818%
  Helium: 0.000524%
  Methane: 0.000179%
  
  We know air is where we see it, because we actually see it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  WOW! If you would channel that unbelief into belief, you could "..do GREATER THINGS THAN JESUS" (Jn 14:12)!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine your example says enough, I listen to Jesus voice, not people who pretend and call people names. I was reading before your name existed on HP stop making statements to me because you have already shown the real you and you are not like Jesus
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Again, this is what believers do, they try to make people believe in a book that has no evidence of being true...if god/jesus is about bullying people to believe in them through their messengers then you lot really do need to stop and think...bullies
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  No there is no bullies here , you do not have to believe in anything said , hear, you control your computer button and volume.
  We listen to your views and disagree so should you be called a bully as well to your views?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  UI r a bully & was shown under Q "Why are Christians Afraid to Follow Jesus?" ur "personal vendetta" against me!II Cor 4:3 applies to U! U care more about U & ur status on HP, than TRUTH=Satan!U certainly know how to "draw them to ur jesus!"
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Look at the replies.you deem people that do not believe as twisted believers etc..not to mention you have to advertise on billboards and TV as well as posting leaflets through HOUSE doors to try and recruit new believers = don't businesses advertise?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  That's JW's problem! If they thnk that's how to "teach all nations" OH WELL but they leave my house "running" fm "The Gospel of Christ" so Gal 1:6-9 applies to them as well!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB, I never called anyone twisted accept the person who uses foul and disgusting language , being very disrespectful of this community of ladies and the elderly.
  People need to set good examples if the want to be respected and heard.
  truth !
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  wow.....so you don't consider preaching parts of your special book as foul and disrespectful language to non-believers? The thread is about supplying evidence, it is not about copy and pasting (chinese whispers) bullcrap from a book....
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "People need to set good examples if the want to be respected and heard." The WORD of GOD IS a "Good Example" NOW that's TRUTH! See how "twisted" u r?
  PROOF: Provide that book for Assyrian Tablets only PROVIDES HARD EVIDENCE of TRUTH!
  
  truth !
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I can NOT respect a grown adult that believes in a book that has probably been through the same PRINTING and EDITING process as a spiderman book goes through....TELL ME WHO PUBLISHES THE BIBLE BOOK, THEN TELL ME WHO PUBLISHES LETS SAY THE QU'RAN?
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The Assyrians and their deity, Ishtar, came up with prophecies before the Israelites adopted them. Like the Romans took from the Greeks and on and on. Stories evolve. Even the Grimm Bros. changed fairy tales from their rather gloomy origins.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB:I don't want UR (man's) respect! I BELIEVE GOD!
  Taop:If GOD is CREATOR (I BELIEVE) how did those tablets come into existence w/o HIM?
  Satan has fooled "unbelievers" as well creating timeline before GOD! Poor fools! Hell is ur HOME(ETERNALLY)!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Fair enough YOU believe it, but that does not give you the right to PREACH it to non believers that you just called FOOLS...more bullying. Faith is a feeling, you can NOT teach feelings..so stop trying to push your way on others..like the ARMY does?
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  They came into existence because men inscribed them on clay. Prophecy stories are as old as mankind, just as creation tales are. Ishtar was the god of the Assyrians, not Yahweh. The stories were adopted & adapted to fit the Israelite deity.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: Matt 28:19 “TEACH!” Gal 3:1 “FOOLS!” I give WORD, u have FREE WILL (Josh 24:15)!
  Taop: THE CREATOR gave “men” prophecies & if u want to blv THE CREATOR was "adopted & adapted" by men u align with I Jn 4:3=”AntiChrist!”
  Good nite "FOOLS!"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN you with your disgusting language have been the worse example of you so disbelief, you are the prime example why people should not be what you are, every word is foul and disgusting and you think that is value no it is garbage.
  Nothing to learn
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Again your not listening....PREACHERS DON'T LISTEN WHEN THEY SPREAD THEIR FOUL AND DISGUSTING DECEASED BIBLE VERSES and are asked not to after being asked nicely, SO THEY RESORT ME TO SAYING FUCK OFF through their ignorance of continuing to preach
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB the only thing to do is just ignore her post, you see her name ignore it , the way she ignore us.
  I HOPE THE VERY BEST FOR YOU. PEACE!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: I wish u would take your own advice ("ignore her posts"), but that "personal vendetta" (Satan) won't allow, huh?
  FB: I Tim 3:15 says "THE WORD is to be used for "CORRECTION" & when u say "DECEASED BIBLE VERSES" it's a LIE!
  Heb 4:12="ALIV
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  Link10103posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  As a note, Football's language has nothing to do with disbelief.
  
  Plenty of believers say worse things, even without swearing. I think any gay child denounced from their family and thrown out their home can attest to that
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Link you should know by now I always gives examples so the one I am talking to can understand what I am saying, anyone can say something but do you understand it.
  Since FB, is a fan of it , that was my point, of not coping a bad move., be yourself.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: " be yourself?" What kind of "Christians" r u? READ Lk 14:26 AGAIN it MIGHT sink in this time!
  Either u're "ignorant" of HIS WORD, r u r trying to lose souls (Satan)! Which one?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Simple only you can say and do things in your own house,
  No guest may be permitted, so you attack me as a guest, but you really are the owner who says and does as he or she wishes. You curse words, the F, word the BS word was used
  as HP.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: You should be "ashamed" (Jn 8:44; I Cor 14:40)! I never used F or BS words!
  Why continue to LIE & show "ignorance?"
  The more you talk, the more you "ruin your reputation!"
  STOP!
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artblack01posted 9 years ago
The claims that evidence exist and the claims that certain things, like existence itself is not evidence for God.... it's evidence for existence, or evidence that we were born, yeah, maybe we are all blindly walking through alleys, if we weren't then no one would be fighting or asking these questions or debating on the existence of God or even debating on what God is, but there are many Christians who do not agree with each other, even in the same church, as to his very nature. If you can't agree then how can you be sure? Faith? Faith is believing even if the evidence says otherwise.... I became an atheist when I realized I did not know if God existed or not and I no longer believed he was possible because there is no actual evidence for a God.
Buildreps says "Does that mean that you believe that mind arises from matter? Because if you do, you believe in a solely material universe, and that you solely trust on your 5 senses? In that case you walked into a blind alley." if I were to answer him it would be, is there evidence the mind doesn't arise from natural matter? No. Yes, the Universe is Material, but what is matter? There is no evidence for anything other than matter, molecules and particles of various sizes.... As to the 5 senses? No is the answer to that because we have developed tools for enhancing and finding things that our limited senses can't find.
Atheism means I don't believe in God because I can't know whether or not he exists, I mean that doesn't mean I can't also be certain that God doesn't exist, the lack of evidence for God and contradictory evidence to his existence makes me sure God does not exist. At least not a Christian God.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  @artblack1: very good answer, and not just because it matches my sentiment exactly. Thank you very much for you input.
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  Michael-Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Oh my! there isn't such thing as a "christian God" or that a group of religionists have authority to prove existence of the Creator of the universe -God of all creation .In His absolute greatness he has set rules ( how) to "find'' and to know Him.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  artblk: Then provide a book w/as many accurate prophecies that have been fulfilled other than the Bible? What man could have done this w/o revelation fm GOD? Use ur "reasoning & logic!" What man could have prophesied these thgs yrs before w/o GOD
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evancatposted 9 years ago
The issue that I have with those that question intelligent design is their lack of self-worth. I refuse to believe that I was not created by a greater being. It is not necessarily the proof that you seek, because arguements can always be made for both sides. What you seem to be looking for is meaning. You can read all of the books created by human thoughts and ideals and get your answers from the brains of others, or you can read the one book created from the mind of the Creator Himself (yes, written by man's hand) to determine what you want to believe. We are not meant to know and understand everything that goes on around us. Humans have proven to be incapable of handling the truth.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Self-worth =/ Reason. If we were not meant to "know and understand everything that goes on around us," why have we been granted the sophisticated tools necessary to do so? Could not an omnipotent god prevent us from tasting this luscious fruit?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Lk: "Self worth"=KNOWING u were created n HIS IMAGE!
  
  "..goes on around us," irrelevant & created to distract by Satan (Jn 10:10)!
  We have a choice (Free will), but remember Joshua 24:15="Choose!"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN, there was a rumor of this species ,Palaeoloxodon cypriotes, he did not exist until discovered, those who never saw one
  would say your very words. But it was discovered and existed all the time. God is the same. Just quiet for now.
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I see evolution as the epitome of intelligent design! I see the the human mind as the ultimate gift of intelligent design! Why do the religious attempt to suppress this amazing instrument encased inside our skull? It's a devilish thing to do.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Palaeoloxodon cypriotes, they were living beings so existence can be proofed, if God was a living being then go find the evidence of his existence like the cypriotes, if he has never been a living being then there is your proof = FICTIONAL CHARACTER
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FByou should have looked up the word. It is a male and female.
  The point some people do not want proof, they like the sound of the statement. But it up to you to accept what is available If not
  You are rejecting the hand of Who sustains life
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Palaeoloxodon cypriotes are a species of elephant that no longer exist, but due to them being living beings at some point their existence can be proofed (even though man named them,not God). So do the same with God, instead of just keep preaching
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB , man did not create these animals, nore did man create this planet or the heavenly realm .credit goes to the Almighty Father.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  If he created all these things like you say, then you must agree he creates all the nasty things to such as wars, murders etc STOP PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT HE CREATED, if he created live, and live created wars etc, then it is his fault = horrible
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: OT "murder" by GOD as u call it, was nec if impeded HIS WILL which was the coming of JESUS CHRIST! Who can withstand the hand of GOD (THE CREATOR) when HIS WILL, WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED!
  If u were creator of robot=SAME!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Anyway it is bedtime here in the UK, please keep reading parts of this book to me, I remember when I was younger my parents used to read fairy tales to me to help me nod off!! At least the bible is good for helping me sleep I suppose...THANK YOU DOG
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Meditate on this for "perfect peace!" Philippians 4:6-9! Have a good nite DOG!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Speaking of "peace", if we all banned religion and religious fairy tale books from life do you know the result would actually be "PEACE", for example this thread would be peaceful if made up stories were not there to debate . = god is not peaceful
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB, I missed a, statement , No God created but he did not create badness,example, you raise a child to the good, but when that child gets grown on his own, he just decides to do as he pleases, say he robs a bank, did you create that in your child ?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  K&T Why don't u stop sharing "ignorant" lies about GOD? "HE didn't create "badness!" Is 45:7 "I form the light, & create darkness, I make peace, & create EVIL; I, the LORD, do all these thgs!"
  You'd better stop listening to this "ignora
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB , you have created this great negative story for yourself about the bible ,cuneiforms, Moabite stones, tiny scrolls uncovered saying the house of David, the bible still says the same words of thought , but in different languages.
  That is enough.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Do you not see the problem here is the banks....if my child robbed a bank I would pat him or her on the back and say well done and praise ....you two should research the Rothschild family, thy're the real God, playing with us all....THAT IS THE TRUTH
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Who cares? GROW UP!
  Move from "carnal" to Spiritual" which shows "maturity!"
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  porkchopplanetaryposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Its trendy
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Cerulean Crayonposted 9 years ago
That picture is not one of God. It's Moses.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know god doesn't look like Moses? I believe this to be an artist's rendering... not an actual picture... after all.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "I, John (The Revelator) saw..." (Rev 1:14-15) "His head & his hair were white like wool, as white as snow; & his eyes were like a flame of fire; & his ft like fine bronze as if they burned in a furnace; & his voice like the sound of
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Biomedicalposted 9 years ago
The evidence for God is overwhelming. The secret is, you have to have an open mind to see it. Those who have already made their decision, that there is no God, will easily reject the evidence. Psychologists have proven that the human mind has this tool, and uses it.
It takes a scientific mind to discover truths. One must not be biased in any way. Then, investigate.
Hundreds of millions of people testify they experienced instant freedom from many bad habits or life-ruining things like drugs, sexual deviance, alcoholism, violence, and more. I have seen demons cast out, and I have even seen the dead raised. The Holy Spirit has shown me many things and warned in dreams.
Here is a test for you: America will be invaded by Russia, China, and Japan. Even Mexico will fight against the U.S. Russia will bomb out all the major U.S. airports. The Japanese occupiers will rape with impunity. Chinese sailors will take American prisoners back to mainland China... where they will be sold as meat.
When you see those things, remember: God warned those who know Him. God is real. God knew in advance. The important thing is this: God is real. So is Satan. Heaven is real, too. The only way to Heaven is Jesus. If you reject Jesus, you reject God (Jesus said this.) Read the book of John in the Bible. Peace.
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Odd how you have to appeal to fear in order to get your point across.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Wait, so, your logic, if I'm following... is that "other races are bad, I think they are going to come rape and eat us, so god exists"? Your racist hypothetical scenario is not the proof I'm asking for. I'm disappointed by your brain's configuration
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  Biomedicalposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Luke, when I commented, I did not expect any different response. I knew I would receive some kind of insult, condescension, or both. It is standard atheist jejunery.
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  ...and what does being an atheist have to do with pointing out the absurdity of your ludicrous scenario, exactly?
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  How is it jejune to more thoroughly evaluate a situation? I would say that is the exact opposite of the word's definition. If this confuses you, I suggest looking it up in one of innumerable digital resources.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Avila: TRUE! If they only KNEW! It makes me so SAD 2 C unbelievers who LIMIT the POWER HE has given us! WOW! If they would reverse their unbelief they'd be POWERFUL as n Jn 14:12 "GREATER THAN THEY WOULD DO THAN "JESUS!"
  What a LOST!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine I am not worried about your words of insults, and never have , which really prove what type of person you are .
  It can be tiresome of you repeating a phase that does not apply even to people who can not read. You have a problem.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Have you not PROVEN who you are under Q "Why are Christians Afraid to Follow Jesus?" The "Heirs of Christ" know who you are as seen on that Q & I will (Matt 7:6) "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, nor cast ur pearls before swin
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norinne stop preaching to people...if people do not want to believe in things that is not factual that is their choice. I do believe in God. my believe though is he is horrible...there you go...
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: U speak against WORD asking me to "stop preaching" for Matt 28:19 says "Teach all nations" so who r u but SATAN! "Not factual" then provide book! Ur belief that GOD is horrible, is due to lack of "study" of Scripture and/or "ignorance!" Study!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  To study things means your learning a trade, a trade is a business - religion is one of the wealthiest things on the planet - WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU? It is not ignorance, I know about the rumour and don't believe so stop being ignorant and preaching
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: This is NOT RELIGION but THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST (Gal 1:6-9) which consists of BELIEVING & HAVING FAITH in "rightly divided WORD" to exp BENEFITS "PROMISED" & ETERNAL LIFE!
  Do I get $? NOPE, But BENEFITS!
  U think WRONG!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  No you don't get $, but those who sell millions of them books do! Sorry but I choose not to have faith in a WRITTEN story, and your basing your faith on a PROMISE, did GOD sign that? Show me his signature then I may consider listening to your garbage
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  YUP! He signed IT with HIS LIFE (Jn 15:13; II Tim 3:16)! BELIEVING & FAITH produces HARD EVIDENCE (Proof) to us!
  If U don't believe HE'S the CREATOR, provide that book?
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The bible is merely a compilation of ancient oral traditions from one culture to the next, eventually written on scrolls, eventually compiled into book form. Believers argue over particulars, although they all agree you need air to breathe.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Well, that analogy contradicts Scripture (which I BELIEVE)! THE CREATOR is the ONLY 1 who knew of Prophecies in Scripture & His Prophets wrote! Now, if u want to blv they were compiled "prior to" THE CREATOR (sounds ignorant), or copied, so be it
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  not doubting if the originator you believe exists intended wrote his or her scripts to lead to good intentions......the problem is though the script has been through so many hands it as been edited to profit each hands it crossed.....GREED = WAR
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  U still “miss the point” when u cont to look “carnally!” Jn 4:24 says “We must worship in “Spirit!” Jn 14:26 says “HE would send Holy Spirit 2 lead & guide us into ALL TRUTH!” I BELIEVE that & HE has done that! Why concern myself?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  So FB what is your excuse for acting very ugly, the bible is not the reason you don't believe in it. So we can not say that your character of actions come from it.
  What ever it is I would not want any of my family near it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: Who cares about "ur family near..?" He is "searching" & u fill him w/half truths rather than WORD! Who do u serve? Give Scripture (the ONLY TRUTH) NOT ur "opinion!"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you seem to only care about you, and your choice words, Jesus cares about everybody that is why we are here. Certainly the way Jesus thinks , so now you want to be heard as his follower another hypocritical statment, you speak truth here.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: Who needs dr if not sick? Who needs JESUS if perfect (u & ur family)?
  I give WORD not "my opinion" (me & my family?) which is irrelevant!
  When 1 is "searching," give WORD, the ONLY TRUTH!
  TRUTH=LOVE!
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  Stella Kayeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It appears that this thread has now sadly deteriorated although initially the majority of the answers were well thought through and sensible.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Want More? Email me @
  norinewilliams4035@att.net
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  FootballNutposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  lol....
  
  if you look it is less being asked for not more
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Keep "searching!" You'll look for email address ("in ten years") after exhausting all means (if 'lucky") or better yet, MAYBE you'll remember some comments from HIS WORD
  !
  Love U!
  
  I'm praying!
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  Michael Milecposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  @ Stella Kaye, Very well assed. Those who " preach" / talk a lot usually do little or none... Does anyone care at all for fruitless , unproductive conversation?! Anyone who want to see/ know evidence for existing of God the Creator knows Him if not
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MM: Luke 11:29-36 "...This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; & there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet..."
  However, I wish "someone/anyone" would furnish that book!
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  Michael-Milecposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  NW, everybody knows that Lk.11:29-36 has nothing to do with the original question. People are smart enough to know the historical circumstances of direct generation Jesus Christ was speaking to, as well as historical domain of prophetic passages the
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MM: Maybe "U" didn't comprehend Q! Is author not "seeking evidence" for the existence of GOD? Didn't Lk say "they would seek a sign but would be none except...?"Who r u? Satan?
  Furnish that book or the Bible is "Evidence for the Existence of GOD!"
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  Michael-Milecposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  NW, lady you have nerve to ask someone publicly"r u Satan?', and you do not know me personally?! You are one who have many time said that the "Spirit" told you... Why don't you try better way of communication for the sake of the living God?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "..everybody knows that Lk.11:29-36 has nothing to do with the original question?" What living god? If U KNEW HIM, u wouldn't have made that statement!
  So, who r u? SATAN?
  Besides,the Holy Spirit discerns other "True Worshipers" who KNOW WORD!
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  Michael-Milecposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  NW, Orig.quest."DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EVIDENCE FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD?" - has nothing to do with Lk 11:29-36 If u d not understand that, u are a lost case who is claiming to by much wiser then The Creator of the universe, an you need much prayers..
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MM: You're "ignorant" to try & debate intelligence with WORD! Is he not "seeking a sign" (existence)?
  How SATAN will do ANYTHING to prove himself rt!
  But u know, YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN DEFEATED!
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  Michael-Milecposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So NW, do you have any evidence for the existence of God? Do YOU? The gentlemen is asking YOU ! Not authorizing you to call names the other children of God, giving them your own attribute of being "ignorant".
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MM: I've asked x&x again, for ANYONE to provide a book w/as many ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECIES as the Bible (GOD) written BEFORE Bible & to date, NO ONE has provided! Can u?
  Whose else could've known yrs in advance but GOD!
  Provide!
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  Michael-Milecposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  NW it is not about YOU what you've asked again and again, it is about the gentleman who is asking for a reasonable evidence - and he has no faith(Heb.6:6); thus to his question the answer is "no". The grace of God has its own rules to play by...
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MM: II Tim 3:16 "ALL scripture is inspired by GOD..." Therefore, who could've known ALL of these ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECIES but GOD yrs in advance?" PROOF: GOD prophesied Bible & HE EXISTS! There's author's PROOF but as u MOST refuse to acce
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  Michael-Milecposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So, NW what is YOUR reasonable evidence for the existence of God?
  Learn to read lady and talk to the man intelligibly; he asks for REASONABLE evidence... Reasonable. Reasonable. Reasonable.Reasonable!? He doesn't ask you for quoting the Scriptures.
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  ValKarasposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Michael, old buddy, please see how it's useless to discuss with a mentally disturbed person. Feel sorry for her if you wish, but don't expect a rational response. For some reason she needs this hateful outlet, so don't bother aggravating it.
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  Michael-Milecposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  ValKaras, I'll come back to you later.
  Let's make this as a test.
  Someone is to be a "jump into it'' unexpectedly.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Listen "DEMONS!" Provide the book, Provide the book, Provide the book, Provide the book; otherwise, U guys are the ones "mentally disturbed" & LIARS!
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  Michael-Milecposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  ValKaras, see I told you so! By overlooking "reasonable " many comments are sincere from the "spiritual", "faith" point of view. Genuine test of characters. Take believers as 'WE walk by faith not by sight ." LET'S love angry "DEMON" she'll change
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M Sarthakposted 9 years ago
The more we try using our rational and three-dimensional logic to know God, the farther we move away from Him. One has to experience God without any worldly filters. Silence is perhaps the best way to experience the aura of the Omnipresent
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  promisemposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  You clearly understand that spiritual experience is the basis of religion and not "blind faith."
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  MarieLBposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Would those that profess there is no God be willing to sit in silence with an open mind and see what happens, I wonder. Some will come out of it a little rested and none else, for the others, who can predict?
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Buddhists sit in silence for literally hours in what one might refer to as a divine presence, but they give it no name, no story, no attributes. In this, they are more like Deists when it comes to the existence of God.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Scott: ALL RELIGIONS have "spiritual experiences," but by FAITH... (Heb 11)!
  Marie: "Open mind," studying, asking Holy Spirit for "revelation of HIS WORD!
  Taop: "In silence" serving another god (Exd 20:3-5)!
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CelebrateUSAposted 9 years ago
Yes, I would like to prepare you a dinner...
Let the dinner rest...
Then ask you if you believe there was a chef.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  orrr... the dinner could have naturally come into being through normal biological processes, i.e. apples growing, etc. Are you saying the dinner "looks" prepared? That is the teleological argument. You could have just said that.
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  JennyDelToroposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Well, wouldn't I be at your house? I'd be able to see the chef and speak with him. That's pretty solid evidence.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Amen Dino Mommy! GOT HIM with "carnal" (it seems only thing he understands) example!
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Troska Sangmaposted 9 years ago
In a world dominated by logic we seldom look into the illogical. And when illogical terms come to being we dismiss it . Humans logically wants to be alive taking care of what we eat , where we live and what we do but in many cases such as love and depression people fall to illogical actions such as loss of will to live . Thus illogical aspects are an integral part of reality , so cant we deduce that even god however illogical can be existing
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The world is absolutely not dominated by logic. If it were, we would idealize Neil deGrasse Tyson, not Kim Kardassinmyface. We cannot deduce absence of god, but similarly cannot deduce its presence. FYI: Deduce: to arrive at by logical conclusion.
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  Troska Sangmaposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  How will we begin to prove or disprove something that we dont understand? I feel we should answer what is god before we could talk about its existence .
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  PROVEN: No other bk w/as many accurate prophecies, so GOD is REAL! Therefore, we MUST go BEYOND "carnal" into "Spiritual" realm (Jn 4:24)!
  "What is GOD?"(Jn 4:24) "GOD is a SPIRIT!" Elevate your minds! Move into the Spiritual (Supernatural) realm!
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ShelleyHeathposted 9 years ago
For me the whole "where did time begin" and "where does space end" questions bring about wonderings of whether God does indeed exist, although I too still find myself more on the side of the atheist.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  That would make you an agnostic atheist. Welcome.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting answer , but we will never have all the answers in our life time as now, but we can answer and invite into the future to learn many things not available now. Jesus paid for our ticket to enter.
  Joh 17:3 This means everlasting life,
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Shelley: Then provide a book w/more accurate fulfilled prophecies than the Bible? What man could have know of these prophecies unless revealed to him by GOD and were prophesied years ago? Who but GOD?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine can you hear Jesus saying provide a book, No ! Besides all people who do believe in Jesus and what he has done for us, do not have the same abilities to read a book , it is unloving to assume everyone reasons and can read as you from a book.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: If u were not so "ignorant" of HIS WORD, you would know that HE SAID in Jer 31:33; Heb 8:10:10:16 that HE would "..put his laws in our hearts & minds" under NC! Therefore, YES, I HEARD HIM SAY ASK unbelievers to provide a bk with more a
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Link the human life span has been on it own battery power
  disconnected from the Fathers eternal power to keep living as he does,but a lifeline was given as a backup.it was paid for, we now have the possibility to live longer then Adam who lived 930
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: ONLY if 1 learns to "Walk in the Spirit" & not mind the thgs of the flesh" (Galatians 5:16)!
  Do u r is that "personal vendetta" (PV) eating u alive?
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word55posted 9 years ago
The only way that God exists... is through an individual's believing capacity. God exists by an individual's belief in Him. After that, one must communicate with Him through fervent prayer and wait for responses from God if that is necessary. There will never be proof that God exists for anyone else to see. No one can prove to another that He can or cannot exist but He is surely there watching over us all. He is especially waiting for the atheist to start believing in Him and therefore, He can show the former atheist His existence and that all things will turn out for the better of those that love the Lord.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN when I say local is accepted , meaning these laws stand because God has not interfered with them, but what acceptable is public service we all pay for , Police, fire, Sanitary, we benefit from these no matter rather you believe in God or not.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The police are just as corrupt as religion, the police is just formed to make money...ie arrest people for not abiding by acceptable rules that the police are told to impose on the public then fine the public for breaking such stupid rules,
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN, you are Describing the imperfections of humans who use their power in the wrong way, but not all is rotten fruit, just like not all men are bad , neither women, or children, so we can not label everybody bad. Not right.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  GOD continues to ask who but ME would have spoken through man to reveal prophecies yrs prior to fulfillment w/such accuracy? Answer that! If not, there's your PROOF that GOD is ALIVE & REAL!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  lol.......so GOD is relying on chinese whispers......you jokers lol....word or mouth is good for a week, any longer it becomes boring and deaf to ears
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "Chinese whispers?" Ignorant!
  Straight fm GOD if 1 can "hear" HIS voice! Don't need middle man middle wall of partition "torn down" (Eph 2:14)!
  Grow up yall! "Spiritual" is HIGHER LEVEL than "carnal!"
  1 day u'll drive ur car via telepathy!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN , I use that to help you understand , but
  Again you write here on a page , I do not see you as fictional, you communicate through written page,So does God almighty,if you are real he is real also that is what I am on.
  Please do not post to me.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I am real because I am living. God is not living, he is just merely a fictional character that people claim AFTER BEING TAUGHT they feel his spirit, you can't teach spirits, so why is it on the educational rota at schools? = too brainwash kids
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Jack I truly believe as you have stated how rare life is to , think about it we who are living now beat the odds of being born, we could simply not have existed at all, but we are here.
  Next just think that many a egg and sperm, will not create life
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: Satan u're creating a "Paper Trail" for HP!
  Be careful u don't cut off your nose to spite your face (interrupting conversation)!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine I told you to quit posting to.me but you insist, first you claim you love Jesus, how can you love Jesus calling g people fools , demons, satan , ignort, the records shows you only love the sound of the words you are not an example of a Christ
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly K&T that is what people like her do, they PREACH - how can you educate a spirit into someone/a feeling? All I ask is stop the preaching and let people find the spirit naturally if it exists, rather than preach a spirit into them= BRAINWAS
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  example everyone can not be a teacher, everyone does not have the skills to be a teacher, but they force their ways
  In a dogmatic way. I want to say I am sorry for your bad experience here.This is what atheists have a problem with
  presented wrong
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: Don't talk "about me" & expect me not to give WORD! I BELIEVE! Matt 28:19-20 told us to "TEACH," & "OBSERVE" the disciples. Only doing what's commanded of me. U KNOW u r a spirit housed in a body in is inevitable to be reconciled to ur C
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norrine ru still preaching? Ok I am not sinking 2 ur level and upsetting others by having 2 use foul language AGAIN. If you can't answer a simple question like "how can you educate a spirit into a human" without preaching, then my convo wiv u is over
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine he is grown enough to make his own decisions as you did some time ago.
  Why are you destroying his possibilities by not leaving him alone, Jesus did not preach people into a relationship with him, he asked if they declined he moved on.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: I Peter 3:15 "..be ready ALWAYS 2 give an answer to EVERY MAN.." He asked
  If u weren't so "ignorant" of HIS WORD, u'd KNOW!
  Study instead of degrading WORD!
  He "Sees!"
  FB: I Cor 3:6 "I PLANT the seed..., but only GOD can give the increas
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lolita, on the subject of the souls of humans they do die.
  Not still living, notice.Ec 9:10Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Either u r SATAN in his highest form r u don't know how to hold a conversation. U do do as Ecl 9 says "do w/all ur might" & GOD knows where u're going (HELL) for "quenching the Holy Spirit" (HIS WORD; I Thess 5:19)!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine I had time to think, I am the one looking at this whole thing wrong, you have always been a mystery , you have always just had to much of your way to say and insult , I tell you what , I know what is going on now, so this is what I am going
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t:IF "u've had time to thk," then u KNOW what I 've said comes fm WORD & IF u dispute="blasphemy!"
  NOW, r u willing to suffer consequences fm GOD which is MUCH MORE in comparison to ANYTHING HP could do to me fm your "threats?"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Won nothing Norine you are the only one playing to win a game or something, peace to you, no more arguments or replies from take care.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: SO, u admit it was "a game" for u! Who mentioned "won?" I have always said u (Satan) were defeated fm the beginning as stated n WORD! There's no need to fight Holy Spirit, for Satan will NEVER "win!"
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promisemposted 9 years ago
The universe is made up of space, matter and energy. Most definitions of God suggest an existence made up of energy rather than matter, so evidence via the senses is not possible.

Physicists now believe that the universe is made up of 70% "dark energy," even though they can't explain it or measure it.

So most of the energy in the universe is unknown. People widely believe physicists, but many atheists don't believe theists for their claims of spiritual experiences, which are a form of energy. Numinous is a common thread in most religions.

Scientists are starting to measure some forms of what traditionally has been known as spiritual experiences. One of the better examples is senior Buddhist monks, who exhibit high levels of brain theta waves after dedicated meditation for decades.

Based on those studies and others, a scientific basis is building for what is known as spirituality. But is that experience the God of the Bible or something else? I don't think anyone can make yet the argument one way or another.

If there is an intelligent being influencing our lives, the most logical possibility is that it (or they) have been in existence for millions if not billions of years. After all, the universe is 11 billion years old.

Does anyone believe that life began on every planet and galaxy at the exact same time? What prevents intelligent life from starting a billion years earlier than us and evolving into something far beyond our understanding?

Then the debate becomes, did God precede the beginning of the universe or is he (or they) something that formed after the start of it. I'd love to know the answer to that one.
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  Luke M Simmonsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The most widely accepted figure for the age of the Universe is around 13.8 Billion Years, not 11. Buddhists are non-theistic, i.e., they do not believe in god. There almost certainly are more advanced civilizations that started before us. Big Bang.
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  promisemposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  As someone who follows Buddhist practices, I understand that the religion is non-theistic. I was using research on Buddhist meditation to point out that science is beginning to track spiritual experiences.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "...so evidence via the senses is not possible." Then provide a book w/as many accurate prophecies as the Bible? What "man" could have known these prophecies w/o revelation from GOD? Using "your senses," (or logic) does it not PROVE there is a GOD?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you seem to believe you are special person of Jesus,Mt 11:29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and you will find refreshment for yourselves
  When you display his qualities of love I will listen
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Read WORD! I have told u x & x again to STUDY the "chronological events" of the NT if so, u will see TRUTH! LOVE? Heb 4:12; Matt 23 to unblvrs! Matt 10:34! Stop looking @ msgr v MESSAGE!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Link she was getting choked up because she was rushing the liquid in her throat and lungs at the same time
  Not properly drinking and eating can cause you to choke .
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB:GOD uses "man" to talk to "man" as HE came in the flesh & TRIED to relate to "man,"but "man" got HIM confused when HE used the phrase "Father & Son" & read the ltr & interpreted HIM as saying "father & son" why so many disagree
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  If God has created messengers like you that are so ignorant to other man, then you have just lost your LOVELY GOD a potential new RECRUIT in his bible selling trade...and christmas product selling trade, read superman tonight it helps me sleep .
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  If he is a child which I doubt then you should not be talking and trying to force your religious beliefs on a child not yours
  There are laws a about such things , if it were mine we would be facing a court.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  That is the right attitude K&T, I am not a kid but in general kids should never be allowed to be exposed to such books, but unfortunately the law makers deem it okay to drum it into kids at school...allowing them to know no different.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: See how "ignorant" u r girl. The MAJORITY of what u say is against WORD! Prov 22:6 says"Train up a child.." & u go to court?
  FB: ALL u see is "carnal" ($ making) v "spirit!" U r "a child!"
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Rosualdo Ponceposted 9 years ago
Be a fool for God through faith and experience. Put off your logic and became illogical for God. And you will find the evidence that God exist. Human logic and atheism have no eyes to see God, and no capability to know God. Unless you wake up, you will never see the beauty of God's creation around you. Atheism is like sleeping, wake up and see and experience God in your life. Atheist's unbelief is a one proof of the existence of God. And when the atheist believes in God, it vindicates God's existence into his life.
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  JMcFarlandposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Is your unbelief of other gods therefore proof of their existence as well?
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  Rosualdo Ponceposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I only believe in God, the creator of all things including you. God made man, but man made gods. Belief and unbelief of gods is not an issue to the one who knows God, because it does not bring glory to him.
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  JMcFarlandposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  So the answer is no, you're just using the fallacy of special pleading that only somehow makes your argument valid for YOUR God. That's not a logical argument.
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  Rosualdo Ponceposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Your logic and mind cannot contain God. How can you see the proof if you blind himself for him. If you need concrete proof to satisfy your unbelief. Look at yourself, that's a best proof of God's existence.
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  JMcFarlandposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  If human logic and the human mind cannot comprehend the good who supposedly created it, that's on god not on me. How am I proof of your gods existence other than your assertion (without evidence) that I am?
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  TheBizWhizposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  technically ponce said "you" cannot comprehend God, not humans. From that I take it meant those who choose not to believe
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  Michael-Milecposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Why is it,when someone can't comprehend himself as he is , the same would begin stigmatize others for their belief in existence of the God Creator." If there were no the God, there would be no atheists."
  We still can live as 'good neighbors' side by
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  Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  When religion speaks the truth of where and who God is then we all can live in peace. Right now they teach lies and they prejudge people and put punishments on those who do not believe as they do, which are lies.
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  TheBizWhizposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Debra, isn't that kind of what you are doing?
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  Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Not at all Biz.
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  Stargrrlposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Lies, lies, lies, galore!
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  JMcFarlandposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I agree that asserting that a person themselves is evidence for a super invisible being without any actual evidence and using fallacious logic could be considered a lie, but an unintentional one. So much for the insistence of respect, though.
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  Lady Guinevereposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  JM some people are just too stupid to give up. Good things that I KNOW how to ignore them now and I got their number as in an IP address that I can report to the police if and when it is needed.
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  EA Balboaposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Debra Allen: Um, yeah... about that respect thing...
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Non existent
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Romans 1:25 "Who exchanged the TRUTH of GOD for a LIE, and worshiped & served the creature (self) more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen."
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Isaiah Gnagnyposted 9 years ago
Well, many creature claimed themselves god but they dead, other activities are limited but GOD stay alpha and omega he will exist eternally
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Who can dispute this! Rev 1:8 "...THE ALMIGHTY!"
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JennyDelToroposted 9 years ago
No. There is absolutely no evidence for Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, Thor, Zeus, Krishna, Flying Spaghetti Monster or any of the other gods that man has made up throughout history.

I'm ready for the whole world to give up their fairy tales so we can move on and start acting like grown ups.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  DinoMommy: I think it's time u "grew up" & move from the "carnal" realm to a MUCH HIGHER realm - "Spiritual!"
  The Supernatural experience FAR EXCEEDS the "carnal" & shows much more maturity!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Again Jesus said no man had been to heaven, but he who came from heaven. Joh 3:13Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but the one who descended from heaven, the Son of man.
  Now you say Jesus lie. Stop it!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t:If your belief is as "twisted" as ur ability to comment in order on Q’s being asked, I see why u r confused! Why in the world would u jump under comments having to do w/"Supernatural experiences" & comment on "man having been n heaven?" S
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Joshtheplumberposted 9 years ago
There is an omnipotent being and there is an all-knowing being. You are somewhere in between. That makes you a creator. The omnipotent being is the source of light, and the all-knowing being is the prizm the light shines through to project all that you experience. The real question is, what does each want from you, creator?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Josh: We are the "creature," (creations) not the "Creator" (Rm 1:25)!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN , are you telling grown Adults what to do, certainly you do not like people telling you by your comment of Authority , so again they have the same authority is you.
  They can say what they want , as you said what you wanted.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I am telling a grown adult what to do. Just because you choose to believe a story it does not give you the right to preach to people. We're adults we have all heard the god rumour and are capable of making our own minds up regarding the crap book
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  So Norine you sent Jesus messengers running,
  Lu 10:1 After these things the Lord designated 70 others and sent them out by (twos )ahead of him into every city and place where he himself was to go.
  
  You missed his call.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  He never sent his messengers in twos......for example Jesus died solo......another contradiction, or did someone die with Jesus on that cross but has never been spoke about?....by the way in the other comment you up for that experiment Kiss and Tales
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Well if u don't blv "the crap book," hell (Lake of Fire) is your home! SAD u say u don't blv it really exists; and if u're wrong, oh what "fun" u'll have in hell for "ETERNITY!"
  It doesn't cost anything & O what BENEFITS!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Stop avoiding the question.....please research the companies that print religious books of all kinds, then see if such companies are connected.....then please give me the answer as to if religious book companies who are mega rich are all connected...
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: Going out 2x2 with "twisted LIES" is SIN!
  U & urs "missed the call!" Should've "WAITED" v listening to "a man" (Cult)!
  FB: Who cares but u? U miss the point (as usual) looking @ "carnal" things! This is HIGHER than "carnal," It's "Spiri
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine when Jesus was here on earth he went door to door, if you lived in that period of time and he knocked, you said exactly what you would have said then,
  Jesus knocked at your door , and you ran him away.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: Yes, with TRUTH, not “twisted doctrine” as JW Cult does!
  He sent Holy Spirit to “lead & guide (TRUE Worshipers; Jn 4:24) into ALL TRUTH,” which HE (Holy Spirit) says JW Cult doesn’t possess!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norrine we have all heard the rumours of which you believe to be true, but we don't care nor have the same view as you, if you want to put us in YOUR MADE UP biblical bracket of Satan go ahead, but we are just humans.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy … ost2791893
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: We r not “just human” but “created in the image of GOD” (Gen 1:27)! GOD! Did u hear? We r a spirit housed in a body w/POWER as GOD, if u "humble yourself" (I Chron 7:14) & BELIEVE!
  TRUE!
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remonsieurposted 9 years ago
Thats easy bro u live an a universe thats alive n conscious the fact that u exist in it should let know that theres a universal intelligence she is the source n you r the force learn metaphysics n astrology n see why people have many different minds sets fighters, thinkers, beautions,gamers n so on to know the 12 signs n the 4 elements is to know everthing its all about the elements god only has 4 main ones he/she use to create the university n u have it n u but one of the stand out more than the other other its your gift use learn become be curious n question everthing than u will find your answer i had to learn the hard way lol (got kick out the church i know more than my pastor) know i am knowledge da power holla im just a helping hand go for it the universe is yours take it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  YES! It available to ALL - "TAKE IT" (Joshua 24:15) - "CHOOSE!"
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Rakim Cheeksposted 9 years ago
I respect you as a writer, and I respect your question. However,You say that you don't believe in God. Yet, you're going to against something that you don't believe in. You believe in God or else you won't be bumping heads with God. That's just like me saying Santa Cluase doesn't exist. Yet, I'm wasting my time going against something that i don't believe that is true. We all know Santa Cluase isn't real. Open your mind Luke. God created this planet and he created science
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  Joshtheplumberposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I like your many thoughtful questions, rakim. To expand on what you're saying here, the mere existence of intelligent beings is all the evidence needed to prove there must be an intelligent designer of some sort. Maybe there's 6.8 billion of them ;-)
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Josh: "Maybe there's 6.8 billion of them ;-)" Isaiah 43:10-11 "..understand that I AM he; before me there was no GOD formed, neither shall there be after me." I, even I, AM the LORD, & beside me there is no savior."
  Rev1:8 (n red)"..I AM Alpha &a
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Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago
If I said who made cell phones , who designed it
You would automatically think some one did without a doubt. To reason that it scrambled itself together would be unreal. If I said who
Cooked this delicious recipe of soup
You would not say oh it made it self,
The point that you can reason on small things you can reason much higher ,man can make many things with his own hands and we accept that .So as an comparison
What about the watch, a good watch is made and design by skilled watch maker, you again would not say it made itself, why is time or a clock used in the lives of humans, the moon
is clocked , the sun is also.
Now let's enlarge the picture now let us look higher and more broad a picture,
Lets start with a home , it has lights, wiring, plumbing, waste features,
Weather protection features, a roof to shelter from the weather. And much more.
Now Let us look at our planet earth
The sun, moon, stars serve as light
and they are faithful , never missing,
The sun gives us our solar energy, power to keep us warm, the moon keeps the earth from wobbling out in space because of gravity, and the greatest thing we can breath here with natural plants that have oygen that feed us worldwide , we never run out of oygen , space does not have it. We have water to drink and water to bathe, water for plants and animals, what ever we need is here , not out in space.
Now , think how wonderful our bodies are made, our bodies have there own cooling systems, our eyelids are like windshield wipers they protect debris
from getting in the eyes, our eyes are like the shutters of a camera that can
Take many images in and store them in our memory banks,
Scientists Carl Sagan states that our brain capacity can hold twenty million
Volumes of infomation, as much as the largest library would hold.(cosmos1980).
There is plenty proof that all things were created by a Genius , some one who is far more advance then humans
He also has the cure for all our problems that includes sickness and death. Surly man has made some contributions to the human race.
But never will we size up to our Heavenly Father in creations
Because he has already created the very thing we create with.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Also FBN, example of wars , come from humans starting fights, like children they disagree and fight, God Almighty has nothing to do with the creation of thier arguments . It is an injustice to blame the one source or person, blame man , they create
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  ""...like children..?" Tell that to Apostles Peter & Paul who had disagreements! Fool! Read Scripture instead of trying to undermine me vs what's WRITTEN!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Link I know your stand or opinion of the subject we have talked before, I can say you have always been respectful and under control with your comments, thank you for speaking the truth of what has been said You are appreciated.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  More PROOF: "Birds of a feather flock together" (Ps 119:63)!
  Not of GOD, then who? Satan! Covered in syrupy sweet LIES!
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memoonashahposted 9 years ago
can a bowl made of mud can move without any one's help? off course not than how can this perfect world, your perfect body and a perfect soul come into existence without any power ! God is no one but the one who created you.
was it possible for any one else in the universe or anything else which can make such perfect ans beautiful world? i would like to tell you God is in your heart that's why you are wandering around and asking each to tell you who He is. if you think god don't exist then why is this all about? denying his existence is itself a witness of His being God ! if something had never been it can never be discussed !
we say energy ca neither be created nor destroyed ? right? but you have energy within you? so u don't deny it!
same is for God !
God can neither be created nor b e destroyed ! but you don't feel him right? now that depends on you ! if you see there are signs for you in this world ! didnot he made two oceans that are together but dont meat ? 14 years ago this was said in his book ? can you deny? yes they exist.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Amen! Matt 16:4 "...A wicked & adulterous generation seeketh AFTER A SIGN; & there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet, Jonah.."
  Remember Jonah? Did his own thing & what happened? Swallowed up!
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Norine Williamsposted 9 years ago
Fulfilled Prophecies! I continue to ask all unbelievers to present a book written before bible containing as many fulfilled prophecies as IT does and have never gotten a response. Can you provide such a book?

Regarding your picture depicting God: If one would realize that we currently live under a New Covenant (Grace and Truth) and "NOTHING" is "commanded" by GOD any longer, they would not present pictures such as this! We all have "free will" to do as we please. "Commanding" contradicts ""free will" or ALL would be dead (physically)! He gives choice and doesn't "command" or "kill" as in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant (Law)!

Under the New Covenant, ALL have been given "Grace and Truth" and "commandments" or "laws" are being "written in our minds and hearts" (paraphrasing: Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10; 10:16)! Under New Covenant EVERYTHING became "Spiritual!" Jesus tells us everything we need to know or do via the Holy Spirit which is never in contradiction with His Word. We no longer have to keep the 613 Mosaic Laws written in Old Testament under Old Covenant!

IMO unbelievers perceive GOD as an evil murderer when in fact all He did was (1) create; (2) prepare to come; (3) moved ANYTHING out of way which "impeded" coming (effecting HIS WILL or THE PLAN); (4) protected those (Israelites) from which He (Jesus) would come; (5) came and gave us opportunity to inherit "eternal life" by sending Holy Spirit to "help us!" What's wrong with that? NO ONE (or thing) will prevent the WILL OF GOD otherwise; He would not be God but a spineless murderer as "carnal" minds perceive!

A true "Christian" (Disciple of Christ) know these things and as we listen to unbelievers' opinions of Him (murderer without morals) we know it is from lack of knowledge of His Word! It appears unbelievers have taken negative snippets from the Bible in order to form negative opinions justifying their points of view.

Regarding your question, if one would furnish a book containing as many prophecies written BEFORE Bible that have been fulfilled, I would appreciate it. ONLY GOD can and does "foresee" ALL things Who via HIS SPIRIT gives prophesies to "man" to be written! Research this prophecy that was fulfilled during our lifetime: Isaiah 9:10 regarding 9/11! Did it not happen? Who does this, but GOD? Bible was written thousand of years before (9/11) the event!

Of course, unbelievers will probably say "Believers have just "twisted" to conform
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN, if you deny the coaches authority you are not a team player, but a rebel against your team and coach, you have taken action against both, are they fiction, because you have said I do not see the need to play football according to the book.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  K&T Couldn't have said it better for u r a "rebel against" the WORD of GOD" & r not "playing" anything but the "devil's advocate" or u r the most "twisted" in ur belief of JW doctrine I've ever seen!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The bible is basically a book of instructions, if you follow them instructions like christian countries do look where it leads us..GREED and WAR.what is twisted about the blatant truth?.I don't believe in Satan either, sounds like good cop bad cop
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: Can u not hear? This is NOT RELIGION nor "Christianity" as defined by the world! I agree, the world is SICK in their belief! This is about the "Good News" of "The Gospel of Christ" which is something MOST "Christians" have NEVER heard of!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Have a day off. What you mean is they have CHANGED the book AGAIN and called it something else because they want people to start following a different path that will make them even richer?....all religious books are instructions that make someon rich
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Stop LYING on me! Do I get $? No day off! Good News MUST be spread to ALL nations (even UK)! No gain here! Beat u NEVER heard of that one? NEITHER has the world! Have a good nite & read Phil 4:6-9!
  Good nite BRO! Remember PEACE!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  KISS AND TALES WHAT YOU ON ABOUT, I said no I would not go against him, meaning I would listen because the coach is LIVING BEING - God is not....your attempt to compare a LIVE person with a fictional character (god) is a poor one
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: Keep listening to that "twisted" woman! Not spiritual at all! Therefore, half truth=Satan too!
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FootballNutposted 9 years ago
People believe in God, which is their choice, they also believe that Satan is evil, again this is their choice.

If you combine the two though I would like to ask believers in both these characters why they do not think it is impossible that evil satan is not acting as a kind God to lead them into false pretences.

How do believers know if God is not satan dressed up as a kind man, he is evil so it is the kind of thing he would do, he may be doing this so we expect to go to the pearly gates, but in fact he will take us to hell whilst laughing I have tricked you.

Evil man .
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FN: Because if 1 BELIEVES His Word, He KNOWS that the Holy Spirit gives us the "gift of discernment" which HELPS identify "Satan dressed up" for HS "lead & guides us into ALL TRUTH" (Jn 14:26; 16:13)!
  No one or thing can't "trick" Holy Spirit!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  That is my point Norine. People believe in all the good stuff, but how do you know Satan is not behind the trickery and leading you down a false path? You can not say it HELPS identify, as you do not know if the identity you believe is God is Satan
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FN: If we've "WAITED" (Acts 1:4) for HIS guidance, we "KNOW!"
  Why did I hear Someone screaming my name (2AM) thinking IT was my husband (2x's) asking me to write on HP, "A life w/o courage & conviction, is a life w/o NOTHING!"
  Where r u?
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  A life with conviction could end up with an eternity without nothing.
  
  I believe in myself that is a life full of conviction. How can a edited book that rich people sell be something to guide my life by?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FN: Well, if that's all U consider the Bible to be, "Provide another book, written before Bible, with as many accurate & fulfilled prophecies;" then we will have something to discuss?
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  If a rich group write a book and people believe in it and live their lives in accordance to it. Them rich people will make the things in that book happen, not god. They make you believe your free in my view, but are you?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN, the book example is interesting, but would you say that the books Doctors use in being skillful surgeons or just General practice is worthless,
  I do not believe so ,the bible is a much more valuble book that will save countless of lives.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: Freer than U!
  Provide that book?
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Your not freer than me. We are all in the same boat we are not free. Everything we do is Governed, if we don't do as our told we get fined, put imprison or have our stuff took off of us!! Is that what christian countries like ours call being free?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FbN I find your statement offensive, because not seeing something does not mean you are crazy. I never seen a Callicebus caquetensis , but does it exist yes, there was a time this was not discovered , so someone who saw it first said he did.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: I am FREE! I may be "in the world, but I am not part of the world" (I Jn 2:15;2Cor 3:17)! Ex: Driving fm Houston, GOD told me to "Get home fast;" speed limit 75mph;drove 80-90mph;passed 2 Troopers; didn't move! Who but GOD? BENEFITS! Try HIM!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN, example , let's use sports to understand, You have a team coach, say in foot ball you have strategy and use a play book, the coach gives you the rules to play the game, are you to deny the coaches authority and play book to do it your way ?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  "Ignorant!" Do it "your own way," & see what happens (Gal 1:6-9)!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  lol...why is anyone that goes against a book classed as IGNORANT....it is you lot that believe that keep throwing GOD crap in our faces and IGNORING the stop preaching demands = ignorant. Kiss, no I wouldn't because a football coach is a living being
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  It's not the book, but the POWER 1 exp fm believing & having FAITH in THE BOOK! That's blvrs PROOF! Now produce book w/more accurate prophecies?
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  No answer the question please darling. I WANT to listen to you, please can you tell me who publishes the bible, and also tell me who publishes the Qu'ran? You will probably find they are connected companies....good cop bad cop...is the bigger picture
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB, the bible is comprised of the scrolls of Hebrew and Greek scripts,
  Later catalog into the bible but translations have been by many , King James of the 1600's have written is version of Hebrew and Greek.
  So example we write here , who publish
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  yes scripts, are you serious?....TV programs use scripts, they change the script all the time..anyway the question was please find out who publishes each religious book and who is mega rich through playing fictional characters off against each other
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I have given "EVIDENCE" that THE CREATOR exists via the Bible being the only book w/the most "ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECIES" & the ONLY way they were known was via THE CREATOR (GOD)! Now if 1 wants to blv HE is not the CREATOR, OH WELL!
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  A prophecy is a prediction. A prediction is a guess. A guess can be vague or specific
  
  To consider the legitimacy of the bible, ALL prophecies made would have to be 100% accurate beyond any shadows of doubt and not be limited to an unverifiable past
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  LinK: Answer the question, don't analyze! "MORE ACCURATE PROPHECIES"
  Provide or YOUR "opinion" is of NO value!
  Why can't YOUR "intelligence" produce?
  Satan!
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  For starters, I don't even know the prophecies of the bible, let alone prophecies of other religious books.
  
  What I said still stands true though, and if you cannot show all are 100% accurate, your opinion is of no value either.
  
  Now what prophecies?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  U "Google" everything else, Google that!
  What u say is of no value!
  Provide the book after "Googling!"
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB and Norine you both have been here a short time , you really should check the policies of HP. You both have violated some rules, mainly your language, courtesy, consideration of others. I do not know why you think you are exempt then others .
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  K&T: U "see" FB is beginning to look n the spirit which makes u (Satan) so mad, u're about to have a nervous breakdown! Go ahead-If I die, I die but have WORD to back me up! Read Gen 50:20! "GOD meant it for good!"
  I TRUST GOD & help others
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I am not looking into spirits, what I am saying is if you shut up the spirit might come to me in 10 years or whatever, but your screaming in my face NOW in order to TEACH me, you can not teach SPIRITS, YOU CAN ONLY BRAINWASH PEOPLE WITH THEM
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  FB:"in 10 years or whatever?" If lucky! What I like about u, u have "open mind" but n UR TIME? Really? Pray u make it! Could be recving BENEFITS "NOW!"
  We r a spirit, housed in a body, that can b taught & hopefully remember these Words "n 10 yrs
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Nageshkasimposted 9 years ago
The answer is simple the creator whom we call God has created the atheist and it is their job not to believe in God.It is a uphill task to prove God because one has to know it by their own experiences. If you are an atheist then well live life like that, if God wants you to know him then he will answer you someday.
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you I So appreciate.your comment,
  1Ch 28:9“ . If you search for him, he will let himself be found by you.
  Letting yourself be found means if he wants you to find him based on your heart condition that he reads.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  If they learn to "humble themselves" (II Chron 7:14) & "Lean not to their OWN understanding" (Prov 3:5)! I Jn 2:16 says "For all that's n the world, the lust of the flesh, & the lust of the eyes, & the PRIDE OF LIFE, isn't of the Father,
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  So god created atheists to not believe in him (or any god's for that matter), which quite literally serves no purpose at all.
  
  Not making cancer, or sickness in general, probably would have been more productive.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Link....that is exactly right, he create all these things for the purpose of causing conflicts lol.... you should read my STOP GIVING TO CHARITY POST and the others...
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  GUYS: Ps 119:63 "Birds of a feather r flocking together" tonight! Man, GOD gives ALL "free will" (Josh 24:15)! U serve a purpose to confuse those who would believe (Jn 10:10)! WEAK=listen
  FB: Rm 8:28 "..them that love GOD.."
  "Choose" (Josh 24:15)!
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, if you or any other's faith is called into question from not being able to address basic logic, then the faith wasn't all that strong to begin with.
  
  Since it seems to be a semi insult, The flocking together verse also applies to you Norine.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  All Norrine does is quotes parts of a script, absolutely pointless....and ignorant. Norrine lets do that experiment I said earlier about no one buy anything religious or celebrate anything religious JUST for 1 year, that will tell the TRUTH -
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Who cares what they do? U still "miss the point!" U look "carnally" when this is a "Spiritual" journey! U know, 1 day u're going to drive ur car telepathically! Why not "grow up" & renew ur mind into "Spiritual" realm for expertise!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  bdn I will surly be posting my hub on Revelations in some days , I will tell you this much , the beasts in Johns dream are Governmental powers.
  you are close.
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Taopiposted 9 years ago
A fiery afterlife seems to be primarily an Abrahamic religious concept, and a concept (which, in turn, becomes belief) is not synonymous with truth or reality. I'm not convinced that the God of any religion shows any evidence of existence beyond anthropomorphism.

I look at it from a Shakespearean point of view: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." I first heard that quote from 'Hamlet' when I was 12 years old. It profoundly affected my outlook on the universe and does to this day...many, many years later.

Do I, personally, have evidence of a "God" to bring to the table? No. I can say I have experienced profound Presence, but I have never been inclined to give it a story outside of my own experience of it. Do I come from an Abrahamic point of view? Being from the Latin West, there is, of course, a good measure of influence, but I have shed those concepts in lieu of awe and wonder and to relieve suffering where I can. I can't see life or death in terms of heaven or hell. I can't live with that philosophy, even given the innate desire for justice when it comes to man's inhumanity towards man.

There is consciousness and there is universe, that much is evidenced. Beyond this, who knows? Perhaps we are but pilgrims on an unknown, yet very profound journey.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Taopi: Can u provide a book that has as many fulfilled prophecies as the Bible? What MAN would have know this, thousands of yrs prior to?
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The Rothschild Book....unpublished one
  
  Do you have a book saying that the bible book is thousands of years old other than the bible itself?
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, the Gilgamesh Epic from ancient Sumeria pre-dates the book of Genesis by over a thousand years. The Dead Sea scrolls were written by the Essenes, a Jewish sect not even mentioned in the NT. Many things exist beyond your scope of things.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Tap: I wish u knew "not mentioned" will be "revealed" by the Holy Spirit,
  IF Christ dwells n u, "leading & guiding" (u) into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26; 16:13)!
  THANK YOU JESUS!
  Now, provide that book?
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I believe FootballNut already did. Good evening, Norine.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Where is that book with more "ACCURATE FULFILLED PROPHECIES" than Bible?
  Or did u guys not understand my question?
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, we understood, but you don't accept the answer.
  
  Religion is just a massive industry, they teach it in school or college, anything taught in school is an INDUSTRY.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  True "I didn't get answer!" I want book w/more accurate prophecies written before BIBLE? Did u provide?
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I will answer you this way, Norine: No, I cannot provide you with a book of texts filled with more consistent oxymora than the Old and New Testaments. I'll leave those variables to you.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Father Christmas is real, billions is spent to celebrate jesus's supposed birthday,plus churches make money, sounds like an industry to me.
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  It's always been an industry, from indulgences to war mongering to political power plays to televangelism to car bumper stickers to what would Jesus do. By its very nature, organized religion is an institution and a very prosperous industry, indeed.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Taop: U can call it "sharp foolishness," but GOD told me to ask u! Since u blv HIS WORD is "foolishness," I Cor 2:14 applies!
  Since u can't provide book, only GOD could have known these prophecies beforehand=THERE IS A GOD!
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I provided you with the Assyrian prophecy reference on another thread. And God didn't ask you to ask me anything. I called nothing "sharp foolishness." You lied. Go & repent. Sell your mad bonnets elsewhere. I'm through with this nonsense.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Taop: "The word is said to come from the Greek elements, oxy- = “sharp, pointed” and moros, moron = “dull, foolish”; in other words, “pointedly foolish” (wordexploration.com).
  U do blv there's a GOD but ppl "twisted?" I concur!
  HS got it!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norinne you go on and on about this book, give us proof it was God's words and not some authors words that has made billions out of religion.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: My point exactly! It was "an author" (MAN, which GOD uses to speak through, even today) to reveal future prophecies! What MAN could've have known these thgs with HELP fm HOLY SPIRIT (aka GOD)?
  Again, GOD told me 2 ask unblvrs this!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  If someone writes a book and people live in accordance to that book then such things are obviously going to happen, lets do a test and stop living in accordance to that book/live our own lives, what you will find then is that book would be inaccurate
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: GOD has ALWAYS used MAN as HIS hands & feet! Moses, Abraham, (OT) Paul (a chosen vessel;Acts 9:15;NT), etc.
  HE chooses those w/"a pure heart" to relay HIS WORD by "putting his laws n their hearts & minds" (Heb 8:10;10:16) to deliver HIS
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Did he ever consider people do not want to listen to people preaching about him because they want to make their own paths in life instead of living how he says it should be lived (wars). I believe God is real and he is horrible...I'm a believer see
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: It is a TRUE Worshipers (Jn 4:24) belief that we are to do as commanded "Teach ALL nations," (Matt 28:19) & it's up to the individual to "Choose" (Josh 24:15) whom they will serve." STUDY! You're entitled to ur "formed opinion!" "Horrible?
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN. You are correct in some of your replies, but we are living our lives with out his interference, people are doing as they wish, without a thunderbolt from heaven ? what we see now in the world is the results of human choices gone terribly wrong
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Humans are to blame for choices that go wrong, why the hell are they not to blame for things that go good then? It seems that God bloke only wants to appear as if he is the reason for good choices humans make..and not the bad ones, the blokes a joke
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Ah ha! The denial forces the mad hatter to look up the Greek! I knew it would. Here's another: Oxymora, Latin: 'a figure of speech that juxtaposes elements that appear to be contradictory.' The sharp foolishness of absurd contradictions. Oui!
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FN: U deserve "advice" fm Kiss & Tales. Maybe u will believe "twisted" truth!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know it is not you that deserves the truth? Just because you believe in it, it does not mean it is the truth. God created hatred and kindness if he is true but believers only credit him the kind things, WHY?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FN: Since I KNOW there is a GOD, I BELIEVE HIS WORD – IT IS WRITTEN! Give another book w/accurate prophecies? What believers “credit him the kind thgs?” Those “twisted?” Read Matt 10:34! Sounds like “kindness?”
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  That is all you say "give another book that is accurate", none of the books are accurate, the bible mentions wars/leads us to them, if people follow the bible that means they follow evil/wars....it's fiction so the rich get richer
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: I agree MOST have taken HIS WORD for "economical gain/game;" but BENEFITS fm BELIEF in HIS WORD r more plentiful than & far exceeds!When WORD says "HE will lead & guide us into ALL truth," that's precisely what HE will do & has done i
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lolita if no man good person had been to heaven as Jesus stated, then it is clear , the soul is the person sleeping in death. Good people who lived before Jesus , Abel, Enoch, Moses, Abraham, Sarah, Job, Noah, , he said no one had been there .
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: AGAIN, U LIE ON WORD! "Good people who lived BEFORE Jesus , Abel, Enoch, Moses, Abraham.." Did WORD not say (Jn 8:58) BEFORE Abraham was, I AM?" Rev 22:13 (n red) "I am Alpha & Omega, the beginning & the end.." See that "twisted"JW
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine Jesus earthly name did not exist until his birth, So just because you can not understand my comment does not mean it is wrong, quit looking for my errors and clean up your own.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: If JESUS SAID "Before Abraham was, I AM" & "I AM Alpha & Omega, the beginning & the end..." WHO R U?
  Blasphemy!
  U & that "twisted" JW belief is of Satan!
  THAT SAME "ONE SPIRIT" has & will ALWAYS EXIST I Cor 12)!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you quoted without scripture , your words have no value as many before. If I am wrong Jehovah is the Judge and Jesus will back him up.
  My Intent is to help people learn the truth , yours is to find error and distroy, Jesus allows.
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  FootballNutposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  We are living in heaven now, we have all the materials we need right here on earth, if we lose money the materials will still exist so will skillful people...however greedy faiths won't drop money so they are creating heaven we live in to be hell....
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: O! Forgot who I was talking to (Ms JW “ignorant” of WORD)! Jn 8:58 & Rev 22:13! STUDY & u’ll KNOW! “Jehovah & Jesus” (1 less than trinity)? Did u not read I Cor 12 or is WORD against ur belief?
  FB: Why just “greedy faiths?”GREED
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  FootballNutposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Because they are seeking control off every piece of land in order to build businesses from their country on to expand their empires...along with taking national banks of such countries and controlling people through money.....
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  F: TRUE! U "miss the point" AGAIN! U thk "carnally" when this is a "Spiritual" journey! Why concern urself w/the "least thg" that matters in the Kingdom of GOD ($)? What I'm trying to get u to see Holy Spirit will warn u BEFORE! Jn 14:26=TRUE!
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Curiouscuresposted 9 years ago
Yes, I see you and me are existing. That's the very evidence of existence of God to me. Our imagination is a whirlpool of this universe of which all of us are given birth to. There is a supreme power which is leading us and asking us to awaken and realize our full potential. Out of all living beings only Human beings are privileged to praise the lord, realize the supreme power and get enlightened.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Cur: Yes, "There is a supreme power (GOD) which is leading us and asking us to awaken and realize our full potential."
  IT IS WRITTEN!
  "COME!" (Rev 22:17)!
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recappers delightposted 9 years ago
The answer that I can give you won't satisfy you. I have been given evidence of God by God Himself. He has spoken to me through prayer - and I am quite sure you are saying, "Well, thanks, Lady, but that isn't going to help me much."

I understand that. Perhaps I might urge you to look into the sky at night and really contemplate the extraordinary size, magnitude and magnificence of His creation. You might consider the Big Bang. (Yes, I am absolutely convinced that scientists have a pretty fair beginning of understanding how, but not why, the universe came into being.)

Some thirteen billion years ago all the matter that has ever existed or will ever exist was packed into a singularity smaller than the head of a pin. In an instant, it exploded, and the mass from that singularity has been expanding ever since. We know of many elements in space-time that appear to be infinite. The event horizon of a black hole comes to mind. I think that God exists in the places beyond human comprehension, in the places of infinite density and infinite speed, and yet beyond them as well. He knows what happens when matter disappears into the black hole, and He knows where it comes out on the opposite side. He orchestrated the particular series of events that occurred in such a way as to make Earth hospitable to life in a way that Venus is not. Consider that this includes, among other things, the precise collision that caused the moon to form the exact way that it did, at the exact distance it is from Earth.

And this I will leave with you; whether or not you believe in God, He believes in you, and loves you more than you will ever be able to comprehend. I sure can't, and He's sent the Holy Spirit running through my body on more than one occasion. I don't think anybody who can reach out to Him in any way will go to any kind of fiery afterlife, and this very question indicates to me that you are still reaching out to know the truth.

He is the truth, and no human being alive fully comprehends Him. We may get to heaven and find that all we thought to be true was woefully inadequate in the infinite Love and Mercy of His Peace. Who knows? Maybe some day I will see you there! I wish you much happiness.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I love U!
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB, we either have the right way or wrong way to do anything in life, you know the truth, but you are blaming God for the freedom people use , true you can make good choices we are supported to do so.
  But many are choosing wrong.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, exactly, the people in charge of each country make the rules not god, they say what is good or bad, if we all follow them like sheep and go to wars (bad), then we are all evil, for not downing tools and saying no to the rule makers...
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN, there are two domains , you speaking
  Mostly of earthly, and we do abide by the earthy laws here. But the heavenly domain existed way before our time, So by order we are to obey God as ruler then man, but respect local domain is accepted.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Local domain is what laws man make an impose on the rest of society, these rules are made to control people via money, so how can you say as a believer that earthly rules are acceptable? god is fictional he gets preached about via chinese whispers
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FBN , We are living on planet earth which is our living Domain, not fiction, we also can see luminaries that are in the heavenly atmosphere, that too is not fiction, the sun , moon , stars , benifit us, not fiction, the Creator is not fiction.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Acts 5:29 "...We ought to obey GOD rather than men."
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  K & T: A Creator may not be fiction, but the story given said Creator can only be fiction. We are thousands of years beyond the primitive stories meant for a primitive desert people. This does not mean there is no God or Force behind creation.
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  Stella Kayeposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Experiences of personal divine revelation aren't commonplace and I wonder if some folk are more spiritually receptive than others. Some pray all their lives and never get answers. Could you elaborate on how you're so sure it was God who spoke to you?
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I am GOD so they're all lying because I have never spoke to them lol..On another note I am looking for a business partner, Stella will you be my Mary, I will write a book and people can celebrate us and make us rich, audition start at 9pm
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Stella I agree that many may pray in a mechanical way ,
  Hebrew 11:6 , for whoever approaches God must believe that he is and that he becomes the rewarder of those earnestly seeking him.
  That is the difference, also do you address him with respect
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Who give God his name, was it God givin himself that name b4 letters of the ALPHABET even existed or was it man that made the alphabet up in order to write a book about GOD and name him GOD..p.s if you research alphabet group you will c google own it
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Stella: Who r u addressing? All of these "birds that flock together" interrupted as is Satan's job!
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I imagine Stella is addressing recappers comment.
  
  Seeing as how the comment was 7 days ago, it has nothing to do with the satanic bird flockers you keep mentioning Norine. Is there a reason you keep invoking Satan?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  His spirit is real but has ALREADY BEEN DEFEATED!
  As the Scribes & Pharisees (spirit of Satan) continued following JESUS (as u, K&T, & other unbelievers do me), he is expected to show up!
  What's SAD, u ALL don't know u're his advocate,
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Who created Satan then Norrine? If God created life then he is to blame for creating the bad cop Satan. Or was Satan around before God?
  Branding people as the advocate for choosing not to believe is laughable, we don't cause hate pushers of faith do
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  Stella Kayeposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Norine my question was intended for recapper's delight and thanks for your comment football nut...I'm flattered..
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  You have been flattered by the devil this means according to Norine's book, thought the devil was horrible lol.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: Is 45:7! There’s no in between! Either GOD or Satan! U’ve “Chosen!” Who speaks evil of THE CREATOR, but u=Satan!
  What “book” do I have? LIAR! The WORD of GOD is GOD’S Voice!
  
  Stella: “Flattered” by evil? Satan’s advocate? WOW!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Your doing it again, because you believe in God you believe in Satan too..YOU and God are branding REAL LIFE HUMAN BEINGS as something...we don't brand ourselves as anything, it is you lot categorising people/causing hatred and conflict by doing this
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I do! Eph 6:12 “We wrestle not against flesh & blood, but against principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, against “spiritual wickedness” in high places.” Spirits (demons), & if “immature” (carnal) unable 2 “fi
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  It is only people like you that believe in DEMONS, SATAN, GOD, AND OTHER BIBLE PEOPLE your arguing with yourselves by trying to spread your stupid word/creating the demons, sounds like your fighting your own demons by thinking non-believers have them
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  Link10103posted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Kiss and tales is an unbeliever and an advocate of Satan?
  
  What a joke, as much as I don't agree with either of you, that's certainly not the truth and a lie on your part Norine.
  
  Though I'm sure I've seen you 2 disagree alot, so that explains it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: U either believe THE CREATOR or self (Rm 8:8; aka Satan)-No in between (Rm 1:21-32)!
  LinK: YES, there’s no half-truth although sugar coated to fool those w/o Holy Spirit discernment (Prov 14:12)! Satan agrees w/Satan (Ps 119:63)!
  TRUTH! JW Cult
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  There is a half-way - I am living proof so are many other non-believers, I do not preached God or believe in him nor do I go around causing people pain in my actions (other than religious pushers), so LIFE expert what am I? I am in between FACT
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: U can't serve two masters! That why Joshua 24:15 asked us to "Choose!" Either GOD or Satan! No in between! Since u refuse GOD, no other alternative but Satan!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Your doing it again....you believe what Joshua as "ASKED", I don't, tell Josh if I have to choose I will choose HELL sounds warm there lol. Forget what Josh says and the other I WANT YOU TO ANSWER MY QUESTION...I don't believe in either so what a I?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I blv WORD (Josh) who says “Choose!” If HELL is OK w/u, so be it! But, now that u know, Lk 24:7 applies, “Beaten with many Stripes!”
  Don’t blv in either, but know, u’ve been told, & still refuse, Lk 24:7 applies & not of God, no other=S
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  You are so incredibly incurious, Norine. In the mosaic of life you pick one stitch and claim it as the answer to everything. Many things exist & you're not even curious about what rests beyond your own fence. What are you afraid actually of?
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norrine, here is a choice for you.
  Stop thinking no one has heard of God and that it is your duty to inform them of him
  or
  Start thinking people know about God and choose not to believe so U don't need 2 bully them with ur bullshit verses
  U PICK
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Taop:BA Psychology + Hrs toward MA (man’s)! NOTHING “exceeds” this Spiritual journey! Afraid of GOD-I’ve seen HIS POWER (Acts 1:8) & HIS BENEFITS!
  FB:Matt 28:19 told BELIEVERS 2 “TEACH” whether 1 accepts or not!
  Bully? U have “Choice”=”Free Will!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  He told believers to teach..well tell him some non-believers do not give two f***s about his demands and that he should tell believers to shut up once they have been told to by non-believers instead of keeping on and on with the PREACHING OF BULLCRAP
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: U have a "choice!" Don't listen! Move on like MOST!
  But "Now u KNOW!" I've done my job!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Oh thank you Norrine, I had never heard of God until I met you....as said before people know about the God rumour they don't need preachers, you seem to think people are not capable of being educated about the book without you throwing verses at them
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: I opened my Bible randomly and it fell on Ephesians 5:6-17!
  Read It!
  HE continues to "lead & guide me!"
  Thank you JESUS!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I have read the fairy tale before and deemed it as just that a FAIRY TALE.....see what I mean you literally think believers have never heard of God and decided it is bullshit....God is a murderer he creates life then kills it.....horrible man
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  And where is that BA + MA hrs from? The School of No Opposition? And you compose like an imbecile. Without curiosity, coherency & inquiry, education is just a ruse on paper. There is a difference between technician & healer, no? What a
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Taopi, whose BA and MA do you mean?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB:“Fairy tale” to u! If ANYTHING “impedes” HIS WILL (u included), HE moves it! The world’s BA!
  Taop:I have “Free Will” also! Better listen to the MESSAGE v messenger (composition)! Diff between “carnal” (immaturity)v“Spiritual" (Maturity)!
  Grow Up!
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norinee wrote this in response to my comment: "Taop:BA Psychology + Hrs toward MA" I presume she is talking about herself? Perhaps I was mistaken, which would make more sense, since Norine doesn't compose well. Nothing wrong, just is what it is .
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Taop: U can attack the messenger, but U will NEVER change TRUTH or NEVER DEFEAT THE CREATOR (aka GOD)!
  Satan - U've ALREADY BEEN DEFEATED (Like that composer; lol)!
  Where's that book?
  If u can't provide, there's PROOF that GOD exists!
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  Taopiposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, you're nuts, plain and simple and while this has been entertaining, I've already stayed beyond my initial resolve.
  
  FB: Good luck to you! I left a reply to your inquiry about the BA a couple of comments above this one.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I Cor 2:14 "But the "natural man" receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are "FOOLISHNESS" unto him, neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
  Message important, not messenger!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Still pushing that word out with verses..if you have not noticed in my view you are preaching fiction so there is no point continuing with your copy and paste messages.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: That's right! U've been given over to a "reprobate mind" (Rm 1:21-32)!
  
  Sorry!
  "His hand is still stretched out" (Isaiah)
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I have a "reprobate mind" if that is what you as a BELIEVER want to MAKEUP and categorise sensible people with, at least it is a considerate non pushing/bullying mind. Can we have a different fairy tale tonight this God one is proper boring?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: In ur journey in life, cont "searching" for SOMETHING/ANYTHING to fill that "empty spot" (spirit)! After you've tried EVERYTHING, remember, GOD is waiting and "His hand is still stretched out" WAITING to fill that "empty spot!"
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Please advise of what this empty spot in my life is that you are presuming I have. I am happy with nothing, people that are happy with nothing do not need FANTASY STORIES to fill empty gaps now think who is filling empty spots usin fiction me or you?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  If not empty, "I am happy with nothing," why this statement?Again, cont "searching,"but NOTHING will fill that "empty spot,"but GOD for we came fm HIM & will return to HIM! Believing fills our "empty spot" w/BENEFITS in this world bfore "reconcil
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Stop brainwashing yourself...and answer the question instead of keep avoiding questions you can't answer. If I believe in nothing then there is nothing to search for....why are you filling an EMPTY SPOT of yours with a fictional book warmth?
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: U can remain in "denial," but cont "searching!" After trying ALL, u will find, NOTHING will fill that "empty spot," but GOD for "reconciliation" is inevitable!
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  This empty spot if nothing but a creation yet again of a BELIEVER.u r creating these gaps in ur head. LISTEN I don't need a book/faith to fill gaps, I am happy knowing my TRUTH of nothing..there is no gap except the one you are trying to create in me
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: I didn't "create that empty spot," just reminded! Keep searching & when u've exhausted ALL means, IF u want to find peace & fill that "empty spot," your only ultimatum is GOD!
  It is inevitable, we WILL reconciliate w/THE CREATOR!
  Why was
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Do you not listen? There is nothing to search for...so I am not even searching for anything...all I am saying is your a bully that keeps on preaching in order to TRY AND CREATE gaps in my life so you can fill it with your bible bullshit..
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: That "bible bullshit" is WHO created U & U will reconcile to HIM eventually whether u like it or not! Why not stop wasting x & try HIM for BENEFITS in this world & fulfillment of that "empty spot?"
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  DEAF by the looks of things....you are the one SAYING there is an empty spot, you as a believer are CREATING empty spots not fucking God lol.either listen before you preach bullshit, your preaching is turning me further away from the that stupid book
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: Maybe! But I beat u remember this conversation when u turn to sin trying to fill that "empty spot!" That's all I want, for HIM to convict that conscience of yours! For it is my desire (& HIS) that "no one is lost!"
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  The only people that are lost r those that feel the need to rely on a fictional happy sounding book in order to feel empty spots in their lives.here is a verse from another fictional book..I can do all things in Him who strengthens" do u believe lol
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: Point is "Do u blv?" Keep "searching!" One day....
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Norine let Jehovah be the Judge of ignorance.
  You certainly are not in the seat to judge it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  k&t: U cont to show "ignorance!" JEHOVAH'S name is NOW JESUS for HE is, was & is to come-now JESUS under New Covenant! Oh Yeah! Showing more "ignorance! "I" don't judge but HIS WORD does (which I use)! READ Ps 37:30 & I Cor 6:3 Who is "ma
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Here you here are some FACTS, treat this in the same manner you treat the bible and read every word or both the forum subject and the comments http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy … -for-satan
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: U listen to "man's opinions," (Prov 3:5; u can see what it's done to those who PROCLAIM "Christianity"), & I to the Holy Spirit (Jn 14:26)!
  Where's that book?
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  I just sent you a link to that book.....stop preaching and shut the fuck up and listen for a change..I have told your the rich make enough from the made up book you believe in so no other books need to exist...can't believe you think books are life
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  Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB: Makes u angry u cant find that book? lol.
  Jn 3:15 Sure do BELIEVE in "THE BOOK!" Jn 3:15
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Angry, finding books, made up books r the problem so no I am not, Just amused by people who can not think 4themself and listening to BRAINWASHED people that seems 2 think a MAN MADE that the rich financially gain from is treated as a spirit
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  HB, You are the selfish , disrespectful human I have heard on this site, no respect for, women, your elders , authority, sad the records show what you are , even if you do not believe in God what you are surly has did a number on you. Sad.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Respect is another man made thing that the power of words control. Just like the bible HAND WRITTEN WORDS BY THE RICH, the power of words control people. LIKE YOUR LEADERS WORDS, DO WHAT THEY SAY OR GET UR BELONGINGS TOOK/FINED OR PUT IN PRISON =God
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  So you have no respect of other humans , but you want humans to respect and hear your words , well you lost that opportunity when you let your mouth spew foul language .
  You can not get respect to be listen to when you can't show it.
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  Not if they don't show respect to me. 4 example on numerous occasions I have asked nicely not to be preached to, then I have been called demented, twisted, etc etc (is that respect from BELIEVERS?), in the end I have to say shut up & fuck off
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  Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this
  FB, I can say if she really loves Jesus as says she claims ,showing it not attacking anyone who think different.
  Then her I write Eph 4:29 Let a rotten word not come out of your mouth, but only what is good for building up as the need may be,
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  FootballNutposted 9 years agoin reply to