Indians have succeeded in other countries but failed in India ..?
57- subrahmanian
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Friends,
Could I share the following piece of a write up, I received frrom a friend?
- ALL INDIANS MUST READ THIS
* Silicon Valley alone contains over one lac Indian
* To sum up our performance in the 20th century in one sentence:
Indians have succeeded in countries ruled by whites, but failed in their own ...
* This outcome would have astonished leaders of our independence movement. They declared Indians were kept down by white rule and could flourish only under self-rule. This seemed self-evident. The harsh reality today is that Indians are succeeding brilliantly in countries ruled by whites, but failing in India. They are flourishing every where specifically in the USA and Britain .
* But those that stay in India are pulled down by an outrageous system that fails to reward merit or talent. Fails to allow people and businesses to grow, and keeps real power with netas, babus, and assorted manipulators. Once Indians go to white-ruled countries, they soar and conquer summits once occupied only by whites.
* Rono Dutta has become head of United Airlines, the biggest airline in the world. Had he stayed in India, he would have no chance in Indian Airlines. Even if the top job there was given to him by some godfather, a myriad netas, babus and trade unionists would have ensured that he could never run it like United Airlines.
* Rana Talwar has become head of Standard Chartered Bank Plc, one of the biggest multinational banks in Britain , while still in his 40s. Had he been in India , he would perhaps be a local manager in the State Bank, taking orders from=2 0babus to give loans to politically favoured clients.
* Rajat Gupta is head of Mckinsey, the biggest management consultancy firm in the world. He now advises the biggest multinationals on how to run their business. Had he remained in India he would probably be taking orders from some sethji with no qualification save that of being born in a rich family.
* Lakhsmi Mittal has become the biggest steel baron in the world, with steel plants in the US , Kazakhstan , Germany , Mexico , Trinidad and Indonesia . India 's socialist policies reserved the domestic steel industry for the public sector. So Lakhsmi Mittal went to Indonesia to run his family's first steel plant there. Once freed from the shackles of India , he conquered the world.
* Subhash Chandra of Zee TV has become a global media king, one of the few to beat Rupert Murdoch. He could never have risen had he been limited to India , which decreed a TV monopoly for Doordarshan. But technology came to his aid: satellite TV made it possible for him to target India from Hong Kong . Once he escaped Indian rules and soil, he soared.
* 48-year old Gururaj Deshpande. His communications company, Sycamore, is currently valued by the US stock market at over $ 30 billion, making him perhaps one of the richest Indians in the world. Had he remained in India, he would probably be a babu in the Department of Telecommunications.
* Arun Netravali has become president of Bell Labs, one of the biggest research and development centres in the world with 30,000 inventions and several Nobel Prizes to its credit. Had he been in India, he would probably be struggling in the middle cadre of Indian Telephone Industries. Silicon Valley alone contains over one lac Indian millionaires.
* And to add more to the list: Sabeer Bhatia invented Hotmail and sold it to Microsoft for $ 400 million. Victor Menezes is number two in Citibank. Shailesh Mehta is CEO of Providian, a top US financial services company. Also at or near the top are Rakesh Gangwal of US Air, Jamshd Wadia of Arthur Andersen, and Aman Mehta of Hong Kong & amp; Shanghai Banking Corp.
* In Washington DC, the Indian CEO High Tech Council has no less than 200 members, all high tech-chiefs. While Indians have soared, India has stagnated. At independence India was the most advanced of all colonies, with the best prospects.
* Today with a GNP per head of $370, it occupies a lowly 177th position among 209 countries of the world. But poverty is by no means the only or main problem. India ranks near the bottom in the UNDP's Human Development Index, but high up in Transparency International' s Corruption Index.
* The neta-babu raj brought in by socialist policies is only one reason for India 's failure. The more sordid reason is the rule-based society we inherited from the British Raj is today in tatters. Instead money, muscle and influence matter most.
* At independence we were justly proud of our politicians. Today we regard them as scoundrels and criminals. They have created jungle laws in the holy name of socialism, and used these to line their pockets and create patronage networks. No influential crook suffers. The Mafia flourish unhindered because of political links.
* The sons of police officers believe they have a licence to rape and kill (ask the Mattoo family). Talent cannot take you far amidst such rank misgovernance. We are reverting to our ancient feudal system where no rules applied to the powerful. The British Raj brought in abstract concepts of justice for all, equality before the law. These were maintained in the early years of independence. But fifty years later, citizens wail that India is a lawless land where no rules are obeyed.
* An IAS probationer at the Mussorie training academy points out that in India before the British came, making money and distributing favours to relatives was not considered a perversion of power, it was the very rationale of power. Why not revert!
* A feudal official had a duty to enrich his family and caste. Then the British came and imposed a new ethical code on officials. But, why should we continue to choose British customs over desi ones now that we were independent?
* The lack of transparent rules, properly enforced, is a major reason why talented Indians cannot rise in India. There's no Brain Drain - Brain in the Drain here otherwise!
* The neta-babu raj remains intact despite supposed liberalisation. But once talented Indians go to rule-based societies in the west, they take off. In those societies all people play by the same rules, all have freedom to innovate without being strangled by regulations. Now, you know the reason!
* This, then, is why Indians succeed in countries ruled by whites, and fail home.
* It is the saddest story of the last and current century.
Inputs: Ravi Shankar Jayaram, Research associate, Council on Hemispheric Affairs, The HagueI'm not Indian, but I AM impressed.
India is a land of Spirituality.
India is considered the spiritual heart of the world.
If you make a list of great spiritual masters that India has produced, the entire world will dwarf before it.
Rama
Krishna
Budhdha
Mahaveer
Numerous Rishis of the Upanishad period
Sages Vyasa, Valmiki....
Shankaracharya
Madhwacharya
Ramanuja
Chaithanya
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
Ramana Maharshi
Swami Shivananda Saraswati
10 Azhwars
63 Nayanmars
Numerous Sants of Padarpur (Namdev, Thukaram.....)
Saint Thyagaraja
Bhadrachal Ramdass
Tulsidas
Papa Ramdas
Shirdi Saibaba
Swami Vivekananda
Mahendranath Gupta
Satya Saibaba
Mata Amritanandamayi
Guru Gobind singh
Mahatma Gandhi
Shri shri Ravishankar
....
....
If you make a visit to Ramanashramam or Mata Amritanandamayi Ashram, you will come to know how many westerners are coming in search of spiritual solace in India -- people who got fed up with their materialism and seeking true meaning to life.
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subrahmanian wrote:
Friends,
Could I share the following piece of a write up, I received frrom a friend?
- ALL INDIANS MUST READ THIS
* Silicon Valley alone contains over one lac Indian
* To sum up our performance in the 20th century in one sentence:
Indians have succeeded in countries ruled by whites, but failed in their own ...
* This outcome would have astonished leaders of our independence movement. They declared Indians were kept down by white rule and could flourish only under self-rule. This seemed self-evident. The harsh reality today is that Indians are succeeding brilliantly in countries ruled by whites, but failing in India. They are flourishing every where specifically in the USA and Britain .
* But those that stay in India are pulled down by an outrageous system that fails to reward merit or talent. Fails to allow people and businesses to grow, and keeps real power with netas, babus, and assorted manipulators. Once Indians go to white-ruled countries, they soar and conquer summits once occupied only by whites.
* Rono Dutta has become head of United Airlines, the biggest airline in the world. Had he stayed in India, he would have no chance in Indian Airlines. Even if the top job there was given to him by some godfather, a myriad netas, babus and trade unionists would have ensured that he could never run it like United Airlines.
* Rana Talwar has become head of Standard Chartered Bank Plc, one of the biggest multinational banks in Britain , while still in his 40s. Had he been in India , he would perhaps be a local manager in the State Bank, taking orders from=2 0babus to give loans to politically favoured clients.
* Rajat Gupta is head of Mckinsey, the biggest management consultancy firm in the world. He now advises the biggest multinationals on how to run their business. Had he remained in India he would probably be taking orders from some sethji with no qualification save that of being born in a rich family.
* Lakhsmi Mittal has become the biggest steel baron in the world, with steel plants in the US , Kazakhstan , Germany , Mexico , Trinidad and Indonesia . India 's socialist policies reserved the domestic steel industry for the public sector. So Lakhsmi Mittal went to Indonesia to run his family's first steel plant there. Once freed from the shackles of India , he conquered the world.
* Subhash Chandra of Zee TV has become a global media king, one of the few to beat Rupert Murdoch. He could never have risen had he been limited to India , which decreed a TV monopoly for Doordarshan. But technology came to his aid: satellite TV made it possible for him to target India from Hong Kong . Once he escaped Indian rules and soil, he soared.
* 48-year old Gururaj Deshpande. His communications company, Sycamore, is currently valued by the US stock market at over $ 30 billion, making him perhaps one of the richest Indians in the world. Had he remained in India, he would probably be a babu in the Department of Telecommunications.
* Arun Netravali has become president of Bell Labs, one of the biggest research and development centres in the world with 30,000 inventions and several Nobel Prizes to its credit. Had he been in India, he would probably be struggling in the middle cadre of Indian Telephone Industries. Silicon Valley alone contains over one lac Indian millionaires.
* And to add more to the list: Sabeer Bhatia invented Hotmail and sold it to Microsoft for $ 400 million. Victor Menezes is number two in Citibank. Shailesh Mehta is CEO of Providian, a top US financial services company. Also at or near the top are Rakesh Gangwal of US Air, Jamshd Wadia of Arthur Andersen, and Aman Mehta of Hong Kong & amp; Shanghai Banking Corp.
* In Washington DC, the Indian CEO High Tech Council has no less than 200 members, all high tech-chiefs. While Indians have soared, India has stagnated. At independence India was the most advanced of all colonies, with the best prospects.
* Today with a GNP per head of $370, it occupies a lowly 177th position among 209 countries of the world. But poverty is by no means the only or main problem. India ranks near the bottom in the UNDP's Human Development Index, but high up in Transparency International' s Corruption Index.
* The neta-babu raj brought in by socialist policies is only one reason for India 's failure. The more sordid reason is the rule-based society we inherited from the British Raj is today in tatters. Instead money, muscle and influence matter most.
* At independence we were justly proud of our politicians. Today we regard them as scoundrels and criminals. They have created jungle laws in the holy name of socialism, and used these to line their pockets and create patronage networks. No influential crook suffers. The Mafia flourish unhindered because of political links.
* The sons of police officers believe they have a licence to rape and kill (ask the Mattoo family). Talent cannot take you far amidst such rank misgovernance. We are reverting to our ancient feudal system where no rules applied to the powerful. The British Raj brought in abstract concepts of justice for all, equality before the law. These were maintained in the early years of independence. But fifty years later, citizens wail that India is a lawless land where no rules are obeyed.
* An IAS probationer at the Mussorie training academy points out that in India before the British came, making money and distributing favours to relatives was not considered a perversion of power, it was the very rationale of power. Why not revert!
* A feudal official had a duty to enrich his family and caste. Then the British came and imposed a new ethical code on officials. But, why should we continue to choose British customs over desi ones now that we were independent?
* The lack of transparent rules, properly enforced, is a major reason why talented Indians cannot rise in India. There's no Brain Drain - Brain in the Drain here otherwise!
* The neta-babu raj remains intact despite supposed liberalisation. But once talented Indians go to rule-based societies in the west, they take off. In those societies all people play by the same rules, all have freedom to innovate without being strangled by regulations. Now, you know the reason!
* This, then, is why Indians succeed in countries ruled by whites, and fail home.
* It is the saddest story of the last and current century.
Inputs: Ravi Shankar Jayaram, Research associate, Council on Hemispheric Affairs, The HagueSubrahmanian ..... I love my country ver much ...... But if the list above I haven't read completely ..... It has Indians living outside India ..... I don't consider them as Indians .... bcoz they never worked for the real needs of India .... They worked for themselves ......
India is land of opportunity ..... they learn here everything ... reading , writing , playing , degrees to earn for foreign countries ..... not for India .....
They are failures by default .....
75- William Tan Seng
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Hi, this is the useful information and give Indians for further improvement.
Indians are very intelligent people, they are very good in computer technology. In my country Singapore, there are a lot of Indians professional. I believe Indians can do more not only successful in other countries but in Indian also.
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I have a view on this from Australia. I hired an Indian technician. Not only was he a great person but his skill level left the competition way behind.
He had come here for his education and decided to stay because he is so much in demand.
He loves India and will return with new designs for workshop machinery for the Indian market.
India is very competitive because you have so many smart people competing at the top. They often find in another country their talent and education is a big plus.
I was thrilled to have him, he made money on every job too.
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that is quite a note worthy list of people both in and outside of India.
don't feel the people who have left your country are failures, they are some of our best doctors and heart surgeons helping train others and saving peoples lives. that is hardly a failure.
wherever people choose to live, they should be able to rise to their greatest capacities.
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Sexy jonty wrote:
Subrahmanian ..... I love my country ver much ...... But if the list above I haven't read completely ..... It has Indians living outside India ..... I don't consider them as Indians .... bcoz they never worked for the real needs of India .... They worked for themselves ......
India is land of opportunity ..... they learn here everything ... reading , writing , playing , degrees to earn for foreign countries ..... not for India .....
They are failures by default .....I see that Tall Poppy Syndrome isn't confined to just Australia.
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subrahmanian wrote:
Friends,
Could I share the following piece of a write up, I received frrom a friend?That is very interesting. Thought provoking. Thanks for sharing.
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Sexy jonty wrote:
Subrahmanian ..... I love my country ver much ...... But if the list above I haven't read completely ..... It has Indians living outside India ..... I don't consider them as Indians .... bcoz they never worked for the real needs of India .... They worked for themselves ......
India is land of opportunity ..... they learn here everything ... reading , writing , playing , degrees to earn for foreign countries ..... not for India .....
They are failures by default .....
They are not. Those who left India did so because India failed them. Rather than be kept down by a corrupt system, they went to places where they could use their intelligence and talents to the fullest. If India really wants to keep such people for the benefit of her people, well then your leaders should try to find out what they've been doing to encourage those people to leave.
subrahmanian, thank you for that. Even more proof that left to their own devices, humans excel in the presence of liberty. While India, Southeast Asia and Asia have far to go regarding liberty, I think things are better than they were, say in the 1970's. It's one of histories great ironies that as the East seems to be emerging into a new dawn of liberty, the West is running headlong into the abyss of collectivism.
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Wow thanx to the OP for this incredible piece of information on India.I am so sharing it with my hubby and all his computer engineer friends who will vouch and swear on how true it is. It is unfair to say that people leaving India did so as they had no love for the country. I have been abroad as my partner felt his potential was not tapped completely in this country. Both me and my partner were given a warm response and our qualifications valued.
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subrahmanian wrote:
Friends,
Could I share the following piece of a write up, I received frrom a friend?
- ALL INDIANS MUST READ THIS
* Silicon Valley alone contains over one lac Indian
* To sum up our performance in the 20th century in one sentence:
Indians have succeeded in countries ruled by whites, but failed in their own ...
* This outcome would have astonished leaders of our independence movement. They declared Indians were kept down by white rule and could flourish only under self-rule. This seemed self-evident. The harsh reality today is that Indians are succeeding brilliantly in countries ruled by whites, but failing in India. They are flourishing every where specifically in the USA and Britain .
* But those that stay in India are pulled down by an outrageous system that fails to reward merit or talent. Fails to allow people and businesses to grow, and keeps real power with netas, babus, and assorted manipulators. Once Indians go to white-ruled countries, they soar and conquer summits once occupied only by whites.
* Rono Dutta has become head of United Airlines, the biggest airline in the world. Had he stayed in India, he would have no chance in Indian Airlines. Even if the top job there was given to him by some godfather, a myriad netas, babus and trade unionists would have ensured that he could never run it like United Airlines.
* Rana Talwar has become head of Standard Chartered Bank Plc, one of the biggest multinational banks in Britain , while still in his 40s. Had he been in India , he would perhaps be a local manager in the State Bank, taking orders from=2 0babus to give loans to politically favoured clients.
* Rajat Gupta is head of Mckinsey, the biggest management consultancy firm in the world. He now advises the biggest multinationals on how to run their business. Had he remained in India he would probably be taking orders from some sethji with no qualification save that of being born in a rich family.
* Lakhsmi Mittal has become the biggest steel baron in the world, with steel plants in the US , Kazakhstan , Germany , Mexico , Trinidad and Indonesia . India 's socialist policies reserved the domestic steel industry for the public sector. So Lakhsmi Mittal went to Indonesia to run his family's first steel plant there. Once freed from the shackles of India , he conquered the world.
* Subhash Chandra of Zee TV has become a global media king, one of the few to beat Rupert Murdoch. He could never have risen had he been limited to India , which decreed a TV monopoly for Doordarshan. But technology came to his aid: satellite TV made it possible for him to target India from Hong Kong . Once he escaped Indian rules and soil, he soared.
* 48-year old Gururaj Deshpande. His communications company, Sycamore, is currently valued by the US stock market at over $ 30 billion, making him perhaps one of the richest Indians in the world. Had he remained in India, he would probably be a babu in the Department of Telecommunications.
* Arun Netravali has become president of Bell Labs, one of the biggest research and development centres in the world with 30,000 inventions and several Nobel Prizes to its credit. Had he been in India, he would probably be struggling in the middle cadre of Indian Telephone Industries. Silicon Valley alone contains over one lac Indian millionaires.
* And to add more to the list: Sabeer Bhatia invented Hotmail and sold it to Microsoft for $ 400 million. Victor Menezes is number two in Citibank. Shailesh Mehta is CEO of Providian, a top US financial services company. Also at or near the top are Rakesh Gangwal of US Air, Jamshd Wadia of Arthur Andersen, and Aman Mehta of Hong Kong & amp; Shanghai Banking Corp.
* In Washington DC, the Indian CEO High Tech Council has no less than 200 members, all high tech-chiefs. While Indians have soared, India has stagnated. At independence India was the most advanced of all colonies, with the best prospects.
* Today with a GNP per head of $370, it occupies a lowly 177th position among 209 countries of the world. But poverty is by no means the only or main problem. India ranks near the bottom in the UNDP's Human Development Index, but high up in Transparency International' s Corruption Index.
* The neta-babu raj brought in by socialist policies is only one reason for India 's failure. The more sordid reason is the rule-based society we inherited from the British Raj is today in tatters. Instead money, muscle and influence matter most.
* At independence we were justly proud of our politicians. Today we regard them as scoundrels and criminals. They have created jungle laws in the holy name of socialism, and used these to line their pockets and create patronage networks. No influential crook suffers. The Mafia flourish unhindered because of political links.
* The sons of police officers believe they have a licence to rape and kill (ask the Mattoo family). Talent cannot take you far amidst such rank misgovernance. We are reverting to our ancient feudal system where no rules applied to the powerful. The British Raj brought in abstract concepts of justice for all, equality before the law. These were maintained in the early years of independence. But fifty years later, citizens wail that India is a lawless land where no rules are obeyed.
* An IAS probationer at the Mussorie training academy points out that in India before the British came, making money and distributing favours to relatives was not considered a perversion of power, it was the very rationale of power. Why not revert!
* A feudal official had a duty to enrich his family and caste. Then the British came and imposed a new ethical code on officials. But, why should we continue to choose British customs over desi ones now that we were independent?
* The lack of transparent rules, properly enforced, is a major reason why talented Indians cannot rise in India. There's no Brain Drain - Brain in the Drain here otherwise!
* The neta-babu raj remains intact despite supposed liberalisation. But once talented Indians go to rule-based societies in the west, they take off. In those societies all people play by the same rules, all have freedom to innovate without being strangled by regulations. Now, you know the reason!
* This, then, is why Indians succeed in countries ruled by whites, and fail home.
* It is the saddest story of the last and current century.
Inputs: Ravi Shankar Jayaram, Research associate, Council on Hemispheric Affairs, The HagueEvery persons is respected outside their own country. Those persons who generally migrate often to other country for work are riches among all. I have read many stories about such kind of people. Same applies to India too. Thanks for sharing all stories. God bless
