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   Kelley Eidemposted 14 years ago

   Hello,
   
   I hope this is the right forum to report threats of violence.
   
   A poster with the screen name Mikeydoes has posted a comment threatening, "I would punch you right in the face if I saw you sir."
   
   Profile: http://hubpages.com/profile/Mikeydoes
   
   Hubpage (His comment hasn't been approved, but I am hoping there is more that can be done about this beyond that.):
   
   http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Doctor-Who- … nt-5001015
   
   I would also like to get the information needed to report this to the police.
   
   Thank you.
   
   Kelley

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      rorymullenposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Reporting the incident to the forum is well done. Also if you can report it to the site admin though an email that would be helpful as well. I am relatively new here and find I don't see a lot of negative comments or interaction. Hubpages and Info Barrel is one of the most respectful pages to write money on.

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   CASE1WORKERposted 14 years ago

   I don't think that he meant it... sometimes we can write things as a joke that are taken out of context. I would flag up if you have to but perhaps a better answer would be to e mail him and just say that the comment upset you. It would give him the opportunity to clear the air and apologise if necessary.
   I think to tell the police would be fruitless- although harassment on the internet is a real and very serious crime, I do not think that one comment posted no doubt on your hub, with you being able to delete it, would really count as harassment.
   
   Please think carefully before you act

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   paradigmsearchposted 14 years ago

   There was a punch-me-in-the-face forum thread recently. Maybe this was a misfired-humor carryover from that. I don’t know.
   
   Speaking of misfired humor, I once jokingly called a poster an idiot; I was immediately banned for 3 days.
   
   I truly hope his comment was the same kind of mistake.
   
   Oh, well…

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      Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I got a comment clipped because I said "are you crazy?" I was joking but someone still reported it.

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   CASE1WORKERposted 14 years ago

   Having encountered him in the forums I have no doubt that it is

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   lrohnerposted 14 years ago

   I agree with Caseworker and PS.
   
   And please remember that there is a world of difference between "If I met you I would punch you in the face" and "I know where to find you and I am going to come and punch you in the face."

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      David 470posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Very good point ...

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   CASE1WORKERposted 14 years ago

   One is a figure of speech, one is showing intention!

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   ryankettposted 14 years ago

   If somebody left that comment on my Hubpage I wouldn't take it as a joke
   
   But that said, Mikeydoes is dyslexic, he stated that on here the other day. He said that a lot of the stuff that he writes comes out very wrong as a result.

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   Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

   While it is wrong to threaten people, I guess some get annoyed with people claiming to cure cancer.
   
   I would hardly think the police would be interested in this, unless they need a laugh.
   
   It is just the nature of writing on the Internet.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      This.

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      ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Blimey, I didn't see the police bit   I thought he was asking how to report to the Hubpages team.

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   sunforgedposted 14 years ago

   Since there is no evidence of the alleged comment I will just presume you are lying. If the comment were publicly posted I would suggest that your skin is not thick enough to write online.
   
   furthermore, I agree completely with Mikey (if the alleged comment existed), although I do accept and believe in alternative therapies, I do not believe any Doctor would write the tripe that you do, your "evidence"  poor and uncited, you are giving medical advice via comments with no disclaimers under the false premise that you are a doctor..  which is highly unethical and even illegal in some areas, if you are a doctor then it is grounds for civil penalties and loss of licensing.. but I have to wonder about the "doctor" who for some reason does not have insurance (as per one of your stated reasons for self treatment)
   
   I lost someone special to cancer just last year and her chances for recovery were limited by avoiding early treatment options due to quackery lie yours.
   
   Even without the severe ethical and legal issues your "writing" suggests you are also specifically in breach of overly promotional guidelines of this writing site and your content does not match the promise of your titles. I hope next time I check this thread and your profile I am greeted with a "page not found".
   
   When I have a moment I will be flaggng each of your offending hubs and forwarding this thread and applicable laws in CA (hosting location) to the site admnistration and will be using your books publishing contacts to forward your "medical" advice which I have archived to appropriate authorities in your region.
   
   I believe that if you have any Medical Licensing or authority currently that you will not after I complete my reports. Opportunists like yourself are a blight that need to be stomped out quickly and surely.
   
   How do you like dem apples? Think a pepper will cure that?

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      ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      hear, hear
      
      That is by far the best knock down to earth that I have seen dished out for months.
      
      In the UK you can be prosecuted for "wasting police time" by the way, I can't think of much more of a waste if he were to call them.

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    waynetposted 14 years ago

    Lol! if anyone threatened to punch me and then said Sir at the end I would definitely take that as a joke unless they were a cad of the highest order and that's the way they roll!

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    CASE1WORKERposted 14 years ago

    What a community we have! we have all jumped to Mikey's defence and  Sunforged who read the hubs has gone on the attack!
    
    I am going to read some and maybe write some intuitive comments?
    
    Back now, read one about a wand that cured cancer and pain and reduced symptons- quack medecine in my book. It preys on the unfortunate soul who is ill or whose nearest and dearest is ill and they clutch at straws to save them.
    
    Very distasteful to say the least

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    ryankettposted 14 years ago

    By the way, this hubber publishes the alleged remedies of a doctor named Dr. Emanuel Revici.
    
    The doctor died in 1988. The book was self-published in 2009 via Createspace.
    
    Does William Keeley Eidem have the express permission of the family or estate of Dr. Emanuel Revici to publish his theories? I very much doubt it.

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       CASE1WORKERposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       if its not in  bad taste, wonder what he died of?
       surely his theories would have prolonged his life

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          ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          He was 102!

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          Kelley Eidemposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks for asking.
          
          Dr. Emanuel Revici was born in 1896, and died in 1998 (not 1988 as erroneously claimed) at the age of 101. He overcame being in an iron lung when he was about 43 due to a lab accident involving a virus, to live another 58 years.
          
          He did contract pneumonia about once a year when he was in his 80's and 90's but was able to overcome those serious threats to his health at such an advanced age by utilizing his own medications.
          
          Revici died from a series of strokes.

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       ThomasEposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       So, he is pretending to be someone who he isn't?
       
       I reported this thread earlier, because IIRC, it is against the google webmaster guidelines to promote cures for diseases which aren't backed by scientific evidence.
       
       it is also against the rules to include links to your hub on the forums.

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          ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          No he isn't pretending to be somebody that he isn't, he wrote a book about Dr. Emanuel Revici and his treatments of cancer.
          
          This book was released 11 years AFTER the death of Dr. Emanuel Revici.
          
          Anything that you need to read about Dr. Emanuel Revici is available online, including praise and criticism. He was ridiculed early on in his career, but ultimately it isn't up to me to form your personal opinion on the credibility of the techniques or research.
          
          I only know what I googled, http://www.google.com

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             Kelley Eidemposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             The first edition of the book was published in 1996. The second edition was published in 1997. Revici didn't die until 1998. The 2009 from CreateSpace is merely the paperback edition.
             
             Revici very much enjoyed the book, keeping it on his dresser, reading from it often.
             
             You might be careful what you read on Google about Revici because, as you can see, some of it isn't accurate.

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    logic,commonsenseposted 14 years ago

    Even if this dude is promoting quack medicene, how many of you dissing him, are doctors and can disprove what he says?  He doesn't hold a shred of credibility with me, but I am against all censorship.  And censorship based on your own opinions is what you are promoting.  Discredit him with proof, but let people make up their own mind about what they want to read.  Threats of any kind are unacceptable aren't they.  I thought we were going to have a more civil discourse!

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    dianebowlingposted 14 years ago

    I've looked at a few and I think that he is posting comments to himself under different names to make his articles have more weight.
    The problem with quacks like this is that there are lots of people out there willing to grasp at any straw in desperation. These people may turn away from traditional medicine to their own detriment! This guy is just trying to sell books. How can he sleep at night knowing someone may very well be dying of cancer while eating peppers? This should be a crime.

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       ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       In fairness: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4805190.stm

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          dianebowlingposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          One article does not make a cure. I'm remembering the vaccine-autism study. There are kids catching diseases that they should have been protected from but their parents are so scared of autism they are willing to risk it. Even though that study was debunked, people still believe it. It is a sad state of affairs.

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             ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             It has nothing to do with the article and everything to do with the contents of the article. It was sourcing it's information from the American Association for Cancer Research, you don't get any more authoritative than that, not sure why I should do your googling for you but Capsaicin the active ingredient has had further successful trials in Japan and China. But no, no, must dismiss that BBC article.... like, there only the most impartial and reliable news source in the UK
             
             What we are perhaps all failing to appreciate is that the OP wrote a book which presents and discusses the theories of another individual, a doctor, and is not directly claiming to have discovered or proven these cures himself. That in itself is not particularly unethical, other than the possibility that the Doctor would have objected to him profiting from his research or methods.
             
             What is unethical is his promotional techniques and his willingness to present himself as a man of knowledge about the subject area, effectively becoming a quasi-doctor on the basis of a wikipeadic knowledge in order to serve his own interests (book sales) rather than those of vulnerable and sick people.

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                dianebowlingposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                All I'm saying is people don't generally do thorough research for treatments. They hear it on the tv or see it on the internet and assume it is true. There are many studies that have been published claiming cures and treatments for diseases and others studies published to counteract the claims of the first. I wasn't saying the contents of the article you pointed out was untrue.
                I agree with you.
                A google search will net you a cure for everything from arthritis, diabetes to cancer. Most is likely crap designed to sell products and books. That is unethical and we don't need it on Hubpages.

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                   IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Oops according to you then I'd need to unpublish half of my hubs!
                   Strangely enough, I happen to believe there is a lot of truth in what I write, just as the OP of this thread believes there is truth in what he writes.
                   All modern medicine is based on herbalism, remember that.

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                      ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      There does appear to be a bit of a witch hunt against the OP, which is probably a little unjustified.
                      
                      Much of it certainly is justified but I doubt that anybody criticising the contents of his book have actually read it, I seem to be the only person who knows that he isn't claiming to be a Doctor himself and it took me no longer than a few minutes to find that out.
                      
                      If people are criticising his book specifically then they are effectively criticising a deceased doctor without actually knowing anything about him or his research.
                      
                      PS. I would have to delete half of mine too!

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                         dianebowlingposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Oooohhh boy, this has gotten out of hand. Perhaps what I am trying to say is not coming across. No Izzy, your hubs are well researched and do not resembles the hubs of the person who started this. I have enjoyed reading some of them.
                         The only concern that I have with this guys hubs are that people may stop treatments to try his "cure". Meanwhile, the cancer may be metastasizing to the point of no return. This guy was only worried about getting someone arrested for saying, "I would punch you right in the face if I saw you sir." We don't know the context of which Mikeydoes was saying this either.
                         I don't think there is any easy fix for cancer. I wish there was. I have known people who died of different cancers, I know people who have cancer now. I know people who have had cancer but it is in remission.
                         
                         I was not intending to offend anyone.
                         

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                            IzzyMposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            No probs
                            
                            I would say though that sometimes people with advanced cancers give up on conventional medicine. They are probably doing the right thing in a lot of cases. You can become so ill on chemo or radio therapy, and when the doctors tell you it just isn't working and they want to up the doses even further, some people just say "enough is enough". Death can become preferable - that is how bad those treatments can become.
                            In those cases, why shouldn't people look at alternative therapies if they are available?
                            
                            They are dying anyway - they have nothing to lose and everything to gain if it works.

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                               dianebowlingposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               Good point, however, many cancers, if caught early, responds well to traditional chemotherapy or radiation.
                               If there was really no hope, I would rather stop traditional medicine, rather than burden my family with an enormous medical bill. But that's just me.
                               Alternative therapies can be a great choice for many people (I have arthritis but I will NOT use meds that can cause worse side effects than the pain I'm dealing with, some can cause cancer).
                               I do think writers should be more careful about the use of the word "cure" in their writings. Many different herbal therapies can improve your life and help you but would probably not cure (as in the disease is gone forever). I know that it's entirely up to the individual what they choose for treatment but we tend to forget that there are many people out there, reading our articles, who are not as educated, informed, etc and would take our information at face value. These are the people I'm worried about.

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                         ThomasEposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         It goes beyond a critical study of a Dr's research, when you say that you used the content of that research to cure your own stage 4* cancer in 2 weeks.
                         
                         And then give recipes on how to repeat the process.
                         
                         Which is his claim elsewhere in his hubs.
                         
                         * it depends which cancer you are talking about, but as a general rule, most stage 4 cancers have low 5-year survival rates, between 50% and 5%.

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    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    Pepper cures cancer eh ? I can prove you that coffee cures insomnia and spinach-cabbage juice cures kidney dysfunction.

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    David 470posted 14 years ago

    I know of that hubber. I don't think he was being serious though. Its hard to tell what someone is truly thinking behind the keyboard because text does NOT dictate emotions...

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    Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

    Hmm.  This thread has certainly taken some twists and turns. 
    
    Just a point about  angry, hateful, and/or apparently threatening comments:  I think usually (again, usually), they show up as being made by non-Hubbers.  They can be Hubbers who sign out or anyone else.  In general (no guarantees, of course), someone who doesn't make sure he signs out probably isn't seeing his own words as something he has to be sneaky about.  To me, an "I feel like punching you in the face" kind of comment does just kind of come across as more of a brutally candid expression of someone's reaction to the Hub.  I've seen a lot uglier and ominous than that in just the forums, here.

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       dianebowlingposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes Lisa, I agree. I have a 15 year old daughter whose favorite expression seems to be "I'm gonna punch you in the face." She has yet to punch anyone. Yet.

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    lorlie6posted 14 years ago

    The Hub in question is no longer published.

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    IzzyMposted 14 years ago

    Oh and I think the OP should republish his hub if he has indeed unpublished it, and mikeydoes should issue an apology to him, because no matter how much you don't like someone's work, threatening to punch him in the face is NOT the way to express it.

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    sunforgedposted 14 years ago

    The thread was started by the OP with a intention of finding out how to contact the police as a result of a comment along the lines of "I would punch you right in the face if I saw you sir"
    
    I think any reasonable person would see both sides as being asinine.
    
    My long response was actually just me giving the OP some of his own medicine and mostly tongue in cheek, I would guess the "Good Will Hunting" reference was missed.
    
    I was aware that the Author did not specificallyclaim to be a medical doctor within his hubs.
    
    What I was doing and what I am doing again - is shooting the messenger.
    
    At no point in any of the 7 "articles" I read did Kelley Eidem, author of The Doctor Who Cures Cancer reveal that he was not a Doctor and yes, if your read his comments, you will find specific medical advice being given.. it is possible the comments are all manufactured, either way it is highly unethical and dangerous.
    
    By Opening each Hub and using the Avatar of a picture that says "The Doctor Who Cures Cancer" it is very much implied - that he himself is the Doctor (yes, one could go to his profile page and perhaps make the distinction between the subject of the book and the author, search traffic will not do that without prompting).
    
    I do doubt that anybody who writes and or markets online will have any long term success if they do not understand how powerful the implication is that Kelley Eidem is speaking from professional medical knowledge within these spubs due to the format and exclusion of a disclaimer.
    
    Search traffic is easily influenced and when that influence is used to make .50 cents off the sale of shaving razor its just advertising and marketing, but when your giving advice about life threatening illnesses and hocking your book then you are in a whole different land of incompetence as a writer and Misfeasance.
    
    The likelihood that the natural components of peppers, garlic, ginger etc have beneficial effects on the immune system is very high, the likelihood that Kelley Eidem believes these tinctures cured him/her/it of stage 4 cancer .. I dont know.
    
    But it is clear that the author is using every trick in the book to push a message and I am comfortable calling him out on it as I find it dangerous and unethical - its not a witch hunt, its a legitimacy check.
    
    The majority of the hubs do not properly fall under the guidelines of a hub - they all are created to promote the book and are just ramblings about emails and comments he supposedly received - something you might expect out of a columnist who licked too many poison dart frogs not a published book author or hub author.
    
    I doubt he "unpublished" his hub, it was likely flagged and removed justly for TOS violations, as will a few more I hope when closer scrutiny is placed on the account. As I suspect many hubbers would have flagged the obvious violations by now.
    
    
    If the writer, Kelley Eidem of "The Doctor Who Cures Cancer" wishes to have any legitimacy he would make it very clear in each hub that he is not a Doctor and that he is only relaying personal experience , if he in fact had Stage 4 Cancer he would display some sort of evidence ..before and after, tumors, levels, etc.
    
    At this point he comes off as an opportunist and a quack and if he is not he should work on his approach.
    
    I used to eat habaneros whole to fight off hangovers, it worked. I am not a doctor, I just used to drink heavily when I worked in the bars... see its that easy.
    
    and spub is not  a typo

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