Help A company took my hub

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   Charluposted 13 years ago

   I googled (as always) a hub I just wrote and it popped up #1 and #3 when I looked to try and understand why it would be there twice, one of the links is to a company (I think with a paid ad) I clicked on it and it is my exact hub on their website just moved around.
   
   I don't know if I should be pissed or take it as a compliment.  If someone could please explain I would greatly appreciate it,
   
   I mean if I get credits for their views I'm game but otherwise how can they do that??????
   Help please

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      Mutiny92posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I would email the company and ask them to take it down or pay you for being a contributor to their website. They would have had to hire a freelancer or have an employee write it otherwise.
      
      If that did not work, you may file a DMCA complaint.
      
      (And be honored that they liked your writing so much they wanted it for their own!)

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   KiaKitoriposted 13 years ago

   Charlu
   I think that if is not a link that atributes the work to you then is not good and
   you need to fill up a DMCA
   i believe this is the link: https://www.google.com/adsense/support/ … wer=146178
   But wait for other's response too.
   BTW which one was #1, yours or the duplicate?

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   IzzyMposted 13 years ago

   I believe this the copy http://www.flixya.com/blog/2931761/-Bab … Be-Without
   
   and this is the hub?
   http://hubpages.com/hub/babymobiles
   
   Can anyone see whose wrote the one on flixya? I'm struggling to find my way around.

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      KiaKitoriposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      the blog article has a publishing date as 4/30
      also I noticed some broken links.

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         IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I've figured some things out. That blog post says it is written by Aficionado who is a well respected hubber here.
         I cannot see her stealing things off HP, especially with leaving broken links in.
         So it could mean someone has stolen HER identity.
         Or it could be that Aficionado is an alter image of Charlu, and it may not even be this hub Charlu posted about in the OP, seeing she mentioned something about adverts.

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            KiaKitoriposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I did a search on HP for aficionado and did not come up with anything significant (some hubbers without hubs) unless I misspeled the name.

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               IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I think I misspelled the name, but I can't remember the correct spelling.
               Anyway this person over on Flixya has put up all copied content so if Flixya aren't concerned about duplicate content that is their problem.
               
               Charlu, find a 'contact us' button over on Flixya and fire an email off to admin, including the publishing date and url of your hub and the url of the copied article.
               
               Ask them to remove it. If they don't, you can file a DMCA.

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                  KiaKitoriposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I agree that this my the right path to fallow so far.

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            Charluposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            So what should I do??????  I really don't understand how my hub could end up on her blog unless maybe she meant to link it to my hub. 
            
            I don't know  ?????

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               Susana Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               At the bottom of the copy on flixya is a report a violation button which has another link to report a DMCA notification. That leads here: http://www.flixya.com/dmca
               
               Here's a sample DMCA notice that you can use as a template. http://www.futurequest.net/Services/TOS … Notice.php
               
               Do it in an email and send it here: dmca@flixya.com
               
               I notice that the DMCA template doesn't include a publication date, I would definitely include that.
               
               P.S. there is a user on hubpages called aficionada rather than aficionado and I doubt very much that it is the same person.

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                  IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  My bad. Sorry aficionada, its definitely not you, but the name did ring a bell!

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   Charluposted 13 years ago

   Thank you guys for helping I just wrote it last night late and was really surprised when it was not only up and ranked, but twice.
   
   Their post is #1 otherwise it wouldn't be as bad.
   
   Thanks again if I had a little more techno knowledge I would probably be better at figuring this out. (something for the to do list)
   
   Thanks again for all of you helping me I appreciate it.  So is the overall advice to email them first and then file a complaint if nothing is done?
   
   You guys are the best I wouldn't get this help at other places

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      KiaKitoriposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Charlu, read this forum topic. You may want to report it to hubpages staff too.

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   TerryGlposted 13 years ago

   Charlu, the problem here is the last time someone tried to help and sort this out was banned from the forums.
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/72673
   
   http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/72272
   
   You might find limited advice here for fear if anyone answered you they will also be banned. It seems to be a delicate subject amongst senior, although diminishing in numbers as they are going elsewhere, hubbers.
   
   No one from management is interested. My advice is to move on. Nothing you can do about it really that won't cause you more stress or do your head in. We have all suffered the same fate unfortunately.

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      IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No one from management here will do anything about, but there is a probability Flixya management will take the article down.
      
      But Charlu needs to contact them first.

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   rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago

   I agree with Susana. It appears that blogger steals other content as I checked some of the other articles. I would send the email to the site as she suggested.
   
   I never assume that a hubber is respectful just because they're on HP. It's the internet, content thieves are everywhere.

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      wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I doubt they are on HP at all - the spelling of the author is different in the last letter of the name.  As Izzy says, I doubt that Aficionada would steal a hub, and this is pretty bold.
      
      More likely the slimeball is using a form of a hubbers name just enough different to squeak by while stealing someone else's work.
      
      As Susana says, use the "report a violation" at the bottom of the stolen content to report it.

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   BobbiRantposted 13 years ago

   I'm not sure I care to write here anymore if our articles are not safe and if HP staff has no interest in helping its writers.  I have not seen this problem when writing elsewhere.  I might write on my other sites until HP team takes an interest in their writers.  A bit disheartening to say the least.

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      rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I wasn't implying that in my message. I hope I didn't give off that impression. HP goes to the trouble of finding copied content, leaving the URL, and DMCA info. Of course they can't find all of it.
      It's still up to the writer to be responsible for their articles wherever they choose to publish.

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      IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It's not up to HP to protect our work, though they do put a copyright notice at the bottom of every hub.
      
      I have had several articles stolen, usually by 'content farm' type of websites, and each time they have been removed by a simple email to admin.
      
      Only once or twice have I had to resort to sending DMCA notices, and if it's to a website that has ignored my emails, I send it directly to their host.
      
      As Rebekah says, HP do help us find some of our stolen work and inform us when they find any.

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         recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Of course it is up to HP to help protect our work !  Every service has a duty of care.  But then if they can blatantly change their TOS 180 degrees and dump your hub offline for breaking the NEW rules without legal challenge then I guess they can get away with anything.

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            Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Not one site where I write for takes responsibility for filing DMCAs. It is up to the author to send one.  You own the copyright, you are responsible for following up on theft.

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               recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I did not suggest the site do the work of it - but the detection and reporting is as relatively easy as finding  duplicate content to unpublish your hub - for them.

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                  wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  ??? It is as easy to find a duplicated hub (out of the millions here) somewhere in the billions of web articles as it is to remove a hub from their own site?
                  
                  And yes, they have a complete legal right to remove any content they wish to, for any reason, from their own site.  While you may file a legal challenge, you will lose as there is nothing illegal about it.

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                     recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     "??? It is as easy to find a duplicated hub (out of the millions here) somewhere in the billions of web articles as it is to remove a hub from their own site?"
                     
                     They already do that when they find that your hub is duplicated !  Not hard to understand is it ?
                     
                     I never suggested that I would mount a legal challenge, I can't afford it.  But what makes you so sure I would lose if I did, are you a lawyer, or even a solicitors clerk  ?

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                        wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, they find duplicates.  And they notify us when it happens.  Do they find them all, or even find them within hours or days of publication?  No.
                        
                        I am unable to find any indication that they must publish whatever we give them.  Have you found such a statement or law?  What we do find is that we must abide by their TOS, which is changeable at their whim - that would seem pretty clear to me that they only publish what they want to on their site.

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                           recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Not only do I not know what you are talking about - it is pretty clear that you don't either.
                           
                           If you are a lawyer concerned in some field of business or contract law then you have something to add - otherwise you are just making noises.

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                              IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              Hey Wilderness only gave his opinion. Why are you digging him up?

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                                 recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 Because he is not reading my post and replying to what he thinks I am saying without any thought, which is what he normally does.  And I am getting tired of it a little maybe, also I have an irritating bout of sciatica that is really minor but aches when I sit at the computer - and I am in the middle of a 20,000 word edit that must be finished by tomorrow night and I am supposed to be on holiday and I had just fallen out with my beautiful missus which is an unusual event that upset me and . . .   So what is your problem !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

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                                    Aficionadaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    Awwwww, rec1 - I'm truly sorry for your crappy day and hope it will improve!  Muchly!
                                    
                                    Does sciatica respond to heat at all?  I have a rice bag (literally that - more below) that works excellently as either a cold or hot compress.  We sometimes keep it in the freezer for its good effects cold or leave it in a drawer then zap it in the microwave for 2 minutes (usually 1 minute, then jiggle it, then another 1).  It works wonders on many different kinds of pain, but I don't remember hearing about anyone with sciatica who tried it.
                                    
                                    Rice bag: piece of muslin fabric sewn into a 10-12cm x 30-40cm rectangular bag open at one end, filled 2/3 with white rice (sew up the open end after filling); insert that into a flannel or terrycloth bag that is slightly larger and close the open end with velcro or tie with a ribbon.
                                    
                                    But aside from the sciatica, I hope the missus and you patch things up - and hope other good things come your way.

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                                       recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                       Thanks for the sympathy    I tried heat bag but as it is an aggravated nerve in the spine the best remedy I have found over many years is a couple of days rest.  I do find it useful for muscle pains though.
                                       
                                       The missus is already patched up and the associated good things are a done deal
                                       
                                       But I still have to sit here for ten or fifteen hours.

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                                    wildernessposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                    My apologies, Recommend1. 
                                    
                                    I took your statement "I did not suggest the site do the work of it - but the detection and reporting is as relatively easy as finding  duplicate content to unpublish your hub - for them." to mean that HP did not find and report duplicates, which of course they do.  I thought that because you were obviously disgruntled in a prior post.
                                    
                                    I took your statement "They already do that when they find that your hub is duplicated !  Not hard to understand is it ?" to mean that HP does find and report duplicates, which is a contradiction.  Confusion.
                                    
                                    I took your statement "But then if they can blatantly change their TOS 180 degrees and dump your hub offline for breaking the NEW rules without legal challenge then I guess they can get away with anything." to mean that you feel there would be a legal reason to challenge, but I could think of nothing to challenge and asked for your input.
                                    
                                    I do reply to what I think you meant, but with thought.  I even asked for clarification (???) but got none.  I heartily apologize for my misunderstanding and abase myself before your obviously superior legal training and thought processes.

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   Charluposted 13 years ago

   WOW I just read that forum and thank you Terry for letting me know I don't want anyone to get banned for trying to help.
   
   
   Thanks Izzy I will contact Flixya and see what they will do.
   
   
   Thanks you all and I didn't want anyone to get in trouble I was just dumbfounded at how quick and obvious it was.
   
   
   I can't help wonder though why HP would post a forum up about being out ranked by poor quality articles and then not care they've been out ranked by stolen hubs.  Oh well who knows
   
   I really appreciate you guys and thanks again

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   Charluposted 13 years ago

   Thank you Susana. I just took a couple of jing/screen shots to show them and am on my way to contact Flixya
   
   As I said you guys are the best!

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    Charluposted 13 years ago

    By the way (sorry I forgot) Izzy and Wilderness are right I think, because when I searched hubbers for Aficionado several came up that had supposedly been here for 3 years to 3 months with 0 hubs and 0 followers.
    
    
    Just thought I'd let you know
    
    
    See ya

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       recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You are right - there are three aficionado profiles over 3 years, all empty with no activity - could this be one of the hubbers that got Pearldiver banned for trying to expose ?
       
       As we do not know who they are, or why Hubpages refuses to comment, could this be the MO of a hub thief - a one line profile or no line at all, no activity of any kind for 3 years but comes back to make a new persona a few times ????
       
       Maybe Simone in her new super-helpful-woman role could look into it and get back to us ?

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          Mutiny92posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Simone is busy pulling wings off of baby butterflies! 

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    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    Again...PD got banned for a personal attack not for threatening to name names.

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       recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       6 of one and half a dozen of the other - The so called personal attack that I saw on that thread did not warrant any banning, especially as he was being baited - and considering the circumstances of what PD was doing it was a ridiculous action  -  so ridiculous in fact that it has all the hallmarks of a cover up.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    Well, I'm not one for conspiracy theories.

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       recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       No conspiracy - it was quite obvious that a moderator stopped PD in mid flow, just after he revealed that 'senior' hubbers were responsible for stealing hubs and about to name them ?????

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    TerryGlposted 13 years ago

    When it comes to stolen content you guys would have no idea.
    
    Any article spinner that is worth his worth, could spin a whole niche here from hubpages and you would never know the difference.
    
    In fact, I will bet the left side one that this happens all the time. It saves writing an article now doesn't it?
    
    In fact, ask yourself how much of work here is in an e-book?
    
    You would never know. But it is. If you want to make an ebook and sell it for a few dollars, then scrape the living daylights out of Hubpages, its great content. Forums outside of here discuss this all the time.
    
    This is the forum or platform we (or you) write under and have to expect these types of things.
    
    That's why everyone, hubbers who have been here since this joint started, is screaming for you to build out your own sites and not rely on a third party.
    
    And for the record, PD was treated terribly unfairly, there is no doubt about that. Trying to help, called out the problem and was banned. That is a conspiracy.

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    Charluposted 13 years ago

    OK I just sent the email to Flixya and again thank you guys so much. Susana that template was just perfect for what they required so it was very easy to do.
    
    I have to say that as aggravated as I was (calmed down now), it kind of makes me feel good that someone would want to take my writing. I mean how bad can it be if someone wants to steal it right???
    
    You guys have made what would have been an incredibly stressful day a much nicer one, which I'm sure my animals and others appreciate as much as I do.
    
    I really appreciate your time and help.

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       recommend1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I am glad you have it sorted - now you can relax aith a G&T and bask in the knowledge that someone valued your hub

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    TerryGlposted 13 years ago

    Great stuff Charlu, sorry to hijack your thread.

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    TerryGlposted 13 years ago

    Nice one recommend1.
    
    I could take a whole lot of hubs in a niche and put them all in a html file. Then I could take the html file and turn it into an exe file. I could then put it on 1200+ sites and sell it. No one can see in an exe file, so content on the net is never secure.

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    Charluposted 13 years ago

    Alright now I'm fired up again
    
    Terry you are absolutely correct that I know nothing about spinning or stealing someone elses niche. That's not what this is about for me, and in my opinion anyone who is not capable of writing their own original content shouldn't be making a living at it anyway.
    
    The reason every search engine out there is cracking down so hard on everyone is because of just that! Nobody wants to read the same stuff over, and over, and over again just with a different prefix.
    
    The reason I came to HP is because it has numerous people (that I follow) who do write unique/original articles and maybe when it comes time for the bells to chime it will be admired more than the spinners/thieves will ever know.
    
    I am a firm believer (now) that what goes around comes around just ask my boss who went from 0 to billionaire and didn't care about the people that got him there to selling his 80 mill home for peanuts and probably bankrupt.
    
    Oh yeah apology accepted

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    TerryGlposted 13 years ago

    Yeh I know. But the problem is you have had content stolen. That has upset you. It upsets everyone.
    
    But, that is what is happening on the net. There are not that many savvy people out there and they steal content. You suffered that very same fate. Someone said you can find stolen content, well you cannot if its hidden in an ebook or exe file.
    
    The reality is that our content does get re-produced and no credit is given.
    
    No one can help really. Sure you file a DMCA or adsense complaint, but really there are millions of others in the que.
    
    As Doug Malrey used to say, people are just no damn good. I have not set out to upset you, just point out that these things happen.
    
    It will only do your head in if you let it. I know I have been there before.

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       prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       I agree with this. Makes you wonder why Google can't stop duplicates on G blogs and those who have adsense and use those copied/duplicates and still earn adsense from it. Of course scrapers and spinners are always on the lookout on published articles so they can publish it elsewhere earning adsense as well.
       
       This is Internet and welcome to the new age.
       
       It is a reality. Contact the owner of the site.

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    Charluposted 13 years ago

    I know I let that part of this business get to me, but this is twice (once with __ and they took care of it for me)and it will probably happen again, but now at least I know what to do myself.
    
    I just get aggravated when people take things from others  especially something you know they worked for. I would say worked hard for but that one didn't take that long to write.
    
    Call me a dreamer if you will I just know that continuing to do what I feel in my heart is right will pay off and  I love doing it so we'll see.
    
    Well just checked some other rankings and very excited so now I need to go write and see if I can do it again.
    
    
    Thanks again to everybody and sorry Terry I just get a little crazy about people stealing (not quite sure why) anything and probably something I need to work on especially when it comes to writing:)
    
    Have an incredible day

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       TerryGlposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       You too Charlu, you seem very nice and no one can take away your passion. You have left quite a nice impression here. Thank you.

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    Aficionadaposted 13 years ago

    Hi, All –
    
    I'm in Saturday mode here, so I've only just now seen this and thought I would weigh in a bit – even though you all seem to have it sorted already.
    
    Thanks:  IzzyM, Susanna S, and wilderness, for your expressions of confidence in me.  You are correct that I would not steal someone else's work.  During the 68articles mess, I found to my surprise that some of my work had been stolen; I complained and even filed my first DMCA, and what I could find was removed. I haven't followed up yet to see whether other stolen work of mine is out there somewhere, but I do know how frustrating and disheartening it can be.  Besides having been a victim of a thief, I am also just not someone who would resort to stealing, and I have spent some time flagging hubs and profiles.
    
    But having said that, I want to say that I do also agree with rebekahELLE that it is not wise to assume that just because someone is a Hubber that they are honest.  Frankly, that's just not realistic by the numbers.  Out of the 200,000+ of us, there would be no thieves?  No, actually there are bound to be thieves here, as infuriating and discouraging as that may be.  I don't understand why a thief would feel the need to join, though, because it seems like anyone could find content here to copy, if that is their MO.  As Terry has pointed out, it is all too easy.
    
    So, I just want to say that I support the hunt for thieves, even if someone felt they had a reason to suspect me.  I think that all honest people feel the same way – however, we do probably recognize that it can waste valuable time to focus on the wrong suspects.
    
    [continued]

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    Aficionadaposted 13 years ago

    As for the name – my Username is a variation of the Spanish word aficionado (which is now common in English) meaning "ardent devotee," with the last letter changed – per my limited understanding of Spanish grammar – to show that I'm a woman.  But because aficionado is a common word, you can find it used all over the internet and IRL, having absolutely no connection to me or my writing (and honestly, in practically all cases not even attempting to – most are just as aware of my existence as they are of the gnats in their back yard).
    
    Since the Hubbers who use the original word aficionado as their Usernames don't provide any real info about themselves, it would be hard to know whether one or all of them are thieves.   I might be inclined to flag their profiles for the staff to check, since there is a valid reason to question whether they might be stealing here. (As implied above, I would even support that if you suspected me.) But that's an individual decision.
    
    [continued]

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    Aficionadaposted 13 years ago

    To recommend1 and Terry – I did read and follow all of the threads about 68articles with interest, first because of the topic and later because I learned that my own work had been stolen. 
    
    I do not agree with you all that PD was put in Time Out (formerly known as "banned") because he was about to name names.  He actually did name names, before he was put in Time Out – for unstated reasons, but probably related to what someone construed as a personal attack.  You probably realize that all it takes for a banning (oops, for a Time Out) is for anyone to contact staff and say that there has been a personal attack, and it doesn't even have to be the one who felt attacked.  I know that at the time this was going on some of the staff were reading those threads so, for all we know, they may have interpreted some of the words as personal attacks themselves.  We just don't know.
    
    PD himself has mentioned that his way of expressing himself can sometimes be misunderstood, and I think that's true of all of us on the Net.  His passion and adamancy occasionally go over the top, and I think that's what happened in the 68A case – with reason.  He had been engaged in a difficult task for a very long stretch of time and was understandably worn out and highly frustrated.  As for whether it was unfair or not, why would it be fair to give preferential treatment to him, if he actually did use words that were taken to be a personal attack?
    
    I never took PD's posts to indicate that he wanted to do the job all by himself – quite the reverse!  IMO, a lot of his frustration came from a lack of response from other skilled Hubbers who could have been assisting him in the huge job he had undertaken, as well as a lack of response on the part of the staff.
    
    While I agree with Rebekah, Izzy and Uninvited Writer that it is our own responsibility to protect our own copyrighted work, I would also love to see a degree more of engagement from the staff on the subject of stolen content – but I'm not sure how, because every idea that comes to my mind would be easy for an "enemy" to game in such a way as to cause harm to the honest writer.  I do support deleting accounts that have no articles, no (or very few) followers, and no (or very few) forum posts after a fixed amount of time (six months?  a year?). I think that would be one good way to trim out the dead wood here – but even that would be an easy guideline to sidestep and wouldn't necessarily target the thieves.  The one Hubber that PD named had (if I recall correctly) some seemingly legitimate activity on their account.
    
    Charlu, Terry is very upset about the treatment of Pearldiver; his statement that discussing the subject of stolen content might get someone banned is his interpretation of the events, but is not necessarily an accurate representation of reality.
    
    However…  concerning the Conspiracy Theories espoused here – good grief, y'all, you're making the True Believers look extremely sane! 
    
    [THE END]

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    IzzyMposted 13 years ago

    You could have made a hub out of this reply

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       Aficionadaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       True - sorry 'bout dat!
       
       My recent experience says that continuing to publish new hubs does boost overall traffic, but I know that boost is very likely temporary.  I'll take that...  But I'm also working at aiming for organic traffic AMAP, so I guess that sometimes means TMI in the forums.  Oh, well.

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          IzzyMposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          You go girl!
          
          I've been lucky too in that recent publications are doing OK. So it's not all doom and gloom.

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             Aficionadaposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             And you go girl, too!
             
             I have actually been excited because my traffic is on an upswing - but I don't want to get unreasonably happy about it, in case it really is just a little bump; I'm trying to keep a watch-and-see stance.  Heeeere's hopin'!

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