How to quit pain pills…Methadone or drug rehab?

An addiction to pain pills can so easily sneak up on you.

Whether prescribed the medications for a legitimate reason initially, or whether experimenting with recreational use, the seductive nature of these pills proves too much for a great many of us, and with more than 6 million Americans currently addicted to pain pills, if you do get overwhelmed with abuse and addiction, you are certainly not alone.

Some of these pills are as addictive as heroin, but since they come from the pharmacist, and are legitimately recommended by doctors and other medical staff, we underestimate the warnings, and when the pills fell so good, and take all the pain away, it can be very easy to take just a bit more than recommended, and just a bit more frequently than prescribed.

Once addicted, the way in which it happened is irrelevant, and even if you were prescribed the drugs for a legitimate reason, your situation with dependency is no different from any other drug addict. It doesn’t make you a bad person, and there should be no morality assigned to the use and abuse of drugs anyway, but it does mean that you likely need professional help to get sober.

The most commonly abused pills are opiate type narcotics, and whether vicodin, Demerol, oxycontin or morphine, they all share a commonality of physical addiction, and a very long and painful period of withdrawal. When you make the decision to get off of the drugs, you have three basic options for your cessation of use.

3 ways to get off pain pills

1) You can try a long and gradual tapering of the dosage, until ultimately you are down to none a day.

2) You can try an opiate substitution program, such as methadone maintenance, where intoxicating opiates are switched for non intoxicating methadone, and then the dosage of methadone is gradually reduced.

3) You can enter into a rehab or drug treatment program, and detox quickly yet painfully off of the opiates, and then undergo therapies and counseling to ensure that you stay off of the pills for good.

Try it on your own first, then get help

Obviously, if you can do it on your own, this is preferable, and as such the gradual tapering off is the optimal way to get off of opiates. A gradual tapering of the dosage is safe, does not require a lengthy commitment to treatment, and also saves you the expense of therapy. Unfortunately, a lot of people who try this method find the cravings and pulls back to heavy use overwhelming, and find that they cannot significantly cut their dosage.

Most people with a serious addiction to opiate type pain killers will require some form of professional therapy, and as such there are two general options for consideration; and they both have some advantages and disadvantages.

Methadone maintenance

The largest single advantage of methadone maintenance as a way to get off of opiates is the avoidance of a long and painful cold turkey detox. Methadone, (and now also buprenorphine) is not very intoxicating, and at the doses given addicts will feel no particular high, be able to participate safely and actively in society, and will also avoid the pains of complete detox. Methadone programs are popular with addicts, and not least because they spare people from a very uncomfortable week or so of withdrawal.

The disadvantages to methadone are that it can take a long time, you are still addicted to an opiate, and you still need to invest considerable time and energy into your addiction.

Some doctors argue that methadone addiction is actually more potent and entrenching than for drugs like heroin, and that although we do get people off of intoxicating substances, we do them no favors when substituting for a drug that makes eventual detox, longer and more arduous than the drug originally addicted to.

Because the process is so long, and because methadone must be taken under supervision in a clinic, the continual time and energy investment in your drug habit remains substantial, and many addicts will need to visit methadone clinics several times a week for years, if they can ever even completely wean themselves off of the drug.

Drug rehab

While methadone is relatively painless, but long and slow, the intense period of detox as in a drug rehab can be very uncomfortable, and addicts can expect several days of very painful withdrawal. Medical management can ease the worst of the symptoms and ensure safety during the process, but those days of detox will be tough, and the medications given to ease the pains can only do so much.

The advantage though, is that once those few days of withdrawal are completed, patients are no longer physically addicted to opiates, and they are ready to really benefit from the offered therapies and programming of drug rehab, and ready to learn how to stay drug free for ever. Although they will probably need to retain some participation in aftercare therapies, they do not need to continue taking any other drugs.

Which is right for you?

If you have not yet tried to gradually reduce your dosage on your own, then this is very likely a good place to start your battle with addiction, but if you are like so many of us and find that you just can’t quit without help, you need to consider the relative advantages of either long and painless methadone maintenance, or short, uncomfortable, but effective drug treatment and detox.

Price is always a consideration, and although methadone maintenance is likely cheaper in the short term, the time commitment required for a painless detox can stretch into the years, and some people never mange to get completely off methadone. In some ways, even though rehab will cost more at first, it is the cheaper option over the long term.

Either way is far better than nothing, and either way can help you to get off of the drugs, and get back to a happier and healthier future of sobriety. Speak with your doctor or therapist about the relative advantages of the two types of programming as related to your individual situation, and start the road to recovery soon. Life is far too short to squander ever more time to addiction, especially when the answer to your problems is only as far as the nearest drug treatment center or methadone maintenance clinic.

There is no point wishing an addiction away, and it makes no real difference how that addiction came to be. You need to get serious, get help, and get better.

Recovery is always possible, and no other goal makes much sense.

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jamey 7 years ago

i have used these for a year recreationally, and have tried to quit , but the pain is too much . why does anything tsake the pain away


tonia chaney 7 years ago

I got injured 2 years ago was on pain killers. then i was taken off i could not quit. so i went to DR.to get help coming off of them and can't get help. now im going through terriable withdrawls and can't get help so i have to keep taking them. can you help please?


GREG 7 years ago

I HAVE BEEN USING FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS I JUST GOT OUT OF A SHORT TERM REHAB FACILITY AND ALMOST INSTANTLY RELAPSED I AM SICK OF WAKING UP EVERY DAY WITH NOTHING ON MY MIND BUT HOW TO GET MORE MONEY TO BE TOTALLY HONEST I JUST MADE THE DECISION TO BECOME SOBER LIKE TEN MINUTES AGO BUT I KNOW I CAN DO IT ITS ALL IN MY HEAD IM 18 YEARS OLD AND I KNOW THERES MORE TO LIFE THAN GETTING HIGH I RANDOMLY CHOSE THIS SITE AND I KNOW IT MUST HAVE BEEN FOR A REASON I COULD USE SOMEONE TO RELATE TO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO ME MY EMAIL IS GREG17U@HOTMAIL.COM I WOULD BE GRATEFUL IF ANYONE COULD TAKE THE TIME TO TALK TO ME I WOULD BE EXTREMLY GRATEFUL FOR THAT IF NOT ITS COOL I UNDERSTAND THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ME GREG L


claude s 7 years ago

After a nearly fatal accident that left her crippled, my wife was prescribed large doses of Methadone for years. No doctor was able to help her detox from it. Ultimately she did it herself, a very painful process. But she succeeded.

However she was also on bensodiazepine drugs which she, occasionally, abused. Coming off these medication is just as hard as detoxing from narcotics and, no doctor has been able to help.

The symptoms include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and depression to list a few.

I have been desperately looking for help but it is either going to detox centers we can't afford (we have tried one that left her in a worse condition physically as well as financially) or seing doctor who prescribe more of the same.

I would be forever grateful for information that could help us.


JohnM 7 years ago

Well I gotta tell ya,there are a lot of great people here that really deserve a lot of credit for what they are trying to do. There are a lot of people out there that will never know the pain of coming off of opiate addiction.I have been going thru this on and off for about 35 years now.I have allmost died,and gotten completely sober more times than I can count,I am gratefull that the doors of A.A.and N.A.are allways open.There are some rough people there,But there are some really good people there too.People that know true recovery is about helping others,If your Blessed enough to meet someone like that,hold on to them tight,And then be willing to do the same for someone else down the road.Thats the secret of how it works.Really pretty simple,Ya gotta be willing to give it away to keep it.My experence has been that what God is really looking for is Willingness.When we are Willing, He will provide the circumstances.I have met people with 3 month's of recovery that have a lot more to offer than some of these cranky oldTimers I see hanging around,I said "Some"of the oldTimers.Of course there are some Wonderfull folks that have been around for awhile,But what I'm saying is that sometimes quality is a lot more valuable than quantity,ya know?I get tired of that,"If ya want what I got ya little piece of shit,ya just shut up and listen!"mentality.No,ya cranky old grouch,I don't want what you have,but I am gratefull that you no longer drink or abuse other drugs,because my kids drive on the same streets you do!... Anyway,I am a very Gratefull man today,and my experience is that there are some things a lot worse than dieing! Be Well, John : )


williams 7 years ago

reading ur comments i have realised that im not the only one who has addiction problems...i had a fatal bike accident which broke the bones of my left legs my knee bones were so badly broken that the docters had to implant titaneiam metal plates...after the accident my life has gone totally out of control....i broke with my girlfriend stoped seeing my friends and started living a life of a convict the only difference between me and a real convict is he is forced to live in a cell but me i live in a cell with my own will.....the drugs were the only thing that kept me going its been more then 3 years since my accident my legs have healed...i still have pains in my knees while climbing and walking down the stairs...i cant run like i used to and when i see young guys driving bikes on full speed and i remmber my days when i was so full of ego that i was unbreakable and i could never fall....now for me has long as i live i will keep taking the pills till it kills me.....because i cant quit so im hoping that it quits me....


imkipsta 7 years ago

Oh yeah drugs are bad to say the very least, and the numbers of people that religiously use drugs are greater than people who are clean! Well that is the case where I live (here in Las Vegas, NV) but I assume most other bigger cities are not much different. The scary part to me is how young kids today start "experimenting" with drugs. It just seems like kids start younger and younger. People, or adult parents for sure are not showing a good example either. It seems way too often that I see gaurdians of young kids setting a very bad example right out in the open. It's like they are so corrupted by all the stuff they went through in their days doing drugs they don't seem to see the mental corruption that is being installed in their kids. So so sad, but so damn true!


Chelsea 7 years ago

I just recently started looking up web pages on how to get help to detox and info on rehab centers. My boyfriend was sent two days ago to a rehabprogram in Madison, Alabama. I am back home in East Tennesse waiting for his return. He is required to stay for 14-17 days. He is 19 and I am 18. He has been snorting opiates for a little over two years and as for myself I have for almost a year. I had a lot of family problems and lost my grandfather, whom raised me, and turned to pain pills to ease my emotional pain. My boyfriend fell into the habit from peer pressure. Neither one of us were injured in an accident nor prescribed any of the medication we took. We simply "bought them off the streets." We both hid our addiction from his family and would wake up every morning wondering how we were going to get money for our pills. We stole jewelry and anything with value from his family and took to pawn shops to receive money. Just last week we hit rock bottom and confessed to our addiction hoping to get help. Like I said earlier, he was sent to rehab and I am back home getting clean with will-power. I love my boyfriend and I know if he comes back pill-free and I am still taking, that he would either leave me or join me, and the last thing in the world that I would want would be for him to relapse. So by myself I am getting clean! The past couple days have definitely been the worst days of my life but each day gets better. Anyone can get clean if they just set their mind to it and realize that it's definitely not easy or fun, but will be worth it in the end. I love my boyfriend with all my heart and I cannot wait for the day he comes home and we can both continue our lives clean and drugfree!


brian 7 years ago

i only had a slight addiction to pain killers,and methadone was suggested.thought it was a good idea the doctors all said it would help,but no one ever told me that your teeth would rot (and im a very HYGENIAL person) that your personallity would change ,and here is the worst of all once your on it you will probally never get off. im on day 8 of quitting cold turkey at 55 miiigrams and i can say that this is the worst pain of my life,and yes im still working well im going through this ,and society doesn't really care cause after all were the addicts. im stubborn and i will do it but i think what will keep me off is the memory of all this pain,but i nwver did heroin never did coke, so i never should have been given this drug period,i traded a week of feeling like shit for a 6 week priod of feeling like im going to die.from my personal experience i would say stay the hell away from any methadone it s not worth it its simply replacing one poison with a stronger poison...i hope it stops hurting ssoon but until then ill keep a stiff uper lip, but when im done. and im a little stronger, ive promised myself that i will be the biggest advocate against methadone,,,,,it truly has become big buisnessssssss just my two cents brian


TRAVIS 7 years ago

I BLAME THE DOCTORS FOR EVERYONES ADDICTION TO PAIN PILLS. ITS TOO EASY TO GO TO THE DOCTOR AND GET A PRESCRIPTION FOR PAIN. I HAVE BEEN SNORTING PILLS FOR ABOUT 2 YEARS NOW. I SAY THE SAME EVERYONE SAYS I WAKE UP EVERY MORNING WONDERING WHERE I CAN GET THE MONEY TO BUY ANOTHER PILL. I HAVE STOLE A lot FROM MY FAMILY AND TAKEN TO PAWN SHOPS. IT HAS WRECKED MY MARRIAGE, LOST MY HOME, AND LOST EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER OWNED AND NOW I HAVE MOVED BACK IN WITH MY PARENTS. I HAVE EVEN BEEN TO JAIL SEVERAL TIMES. I AM 26 YEARS OLD AND HAVING TO START FROM SCRATCH. IM THROUGH WITH ALL THE PILSS AND MEDICATION. IM QUITING FOR GOOD THIS TIME.


Ash 7 years ago

Ive been using for 4 years... I am 18 years old.. I can't get off of these.. I would really like to sometimes though.

Will start drug treatment in a week. :)


Tarius 7 years ago

Hello everybody,,,I feel for each and every one of you's..I do not have a problem with drugs or alcohol, my son does. I am a mother that has dedicated her life to helping my son. He has an oxicontin addition, I believe for about 4 yrs off and on,,maybe more on. I alwawys knew it because of symptoms but he actually admitted this to me. Wow I cannot believe what I am reading, I did not realize this was so hard to come off of..This drug has really put a damper on his whole life,education work etc. My question is, how do I know he needs rehab and how do you get him there, I am very proud of each and every one of you's for stating your problem on here, I believe it is the first step to the rest of your lives, come on people you can do it!!!! Your sooo worth it!! thankyou for sharing ,any advice I would truly appreciate...Mother looking to save her son


Tina 7 years ago

I have been addicted to pain pills and alcohol on and off for 25 years. I have finally decided to quit because I can't afford this and my health has suffered. I have fatty liver disease and it scares the hell out of me. I am going through big time withdrawals and it does not feel good at all. I am definitely tired of this roller coaster ride.


darrell 6 years ago

i have been using loracets vicodin loratab and oxcotin for at least 5 years now i usually do about 3 80mg oxycotins a day what about yall


paulito 6 years ago

will we ned juses in are life's im on pill's to but i stop 5 days a go and im having a heard time but the lord will take overe are life's god bless you all


lou 6 years ago

man, lifes a crazy one. dont go on a methadone program, sweat out the week and save yourself from the worst experience you can go through....


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oxycontinworld 6 years ago

excellent article


Tbird 6 years ago

was up to snorting 8 80s a day at the height of my addiction. (2) rehabs, a thousand AA + NA meetings and(5) years later. I have 5 years clean off booze but I've been on suboxone for over 5 years. Started on 16 milligrams and currently on 4 milligrams. Getting completely clean takes work everyday. Praying + meetings are a must. The same addict will use again. Best of luck to everyone. The first step is admitting your life has become unmanageable.


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zinneryone 6 years ago from Plano, TX

Pain pills are such tough business. I think that rehab is the way to go if you have health insurance or can afford it. Though I know that some people refuse to accept the spiritual principles. But I think that that is a shame because it gets you clean.


Derek Moore 6 years ago

I have friend who is addicted to pain medication. This was very helpful. Thanks for all the info. I have bookmarked this and will pass it on to her. Hopefully it will help her realize she has a problem.


Courtney 6 years ago

I have been taking percs, oxys, and any type of opiate i can get ahold of for over a year and a half...i have a 8 month old daughter and I'm soo tired of waking up and looking for pills or money to get them...I want to be a role model for my daughter not a drug addict...so ive decided that i can get off of these on my own i haven't done anything in 2 days and so far i feel ok...i just try 2 keep myself busy and not think about them or how powerful addiction is...I'm trying to take this very seriously and I'm glad 2 see that i'm not the only person that struggles with this...and i wish everyone the best of luck with there situations...I know how hard it is but you have 2 really want to quit for yourself or you will never quit...thank you guys for helping me see how many others go thru this!!!


Tbird 6 years ago

Courtney, good luck to you. cold turkey never worked for me, by the 4th day i was suffering from lack of sleep, constant nausea and diarrhea + off i went to score.


lockwood 6 years ago

I had gotten meningitis in which I was given some pretty heavy painkillers. After a week I was sent home with a big bottle of hydrocodone. Took it as prescribed. After just a week ,or so I was then told I would need some skull surgery and my pain pills were refilled. After the surgery I got some more pills. All in all I had only been on them for a couple months and last weekend I ran out. I know I could get the local "dealer" to get me as many as I want. Money is already strained and I would just be stealing from my kids. I would have to lie to my wife althoug I know she would catch me. Im not slick when it comes to her. Im on my 3rd day and it sucks. My body hurts like it trying to give me an excuse to get more. The migraines are horrific and Im an asshole to everyone. Everyone on here keeps referring to "that terrible week" and if thats the usual time frame then Im halfway there. This site has really put my problem in perspective. God bless all of you. Especially the young kids on here..It breaks my heart (and yes Im a dude) to see so many of you having to go through this at such an age. Many of you speak of your problem starting at my sons age and that frightens me...Good Luck............


RJW 6 years ago

First of all I have been on vicodian for 5 years. I started taking a half of a 500mg, and now am up to taking 12 to 13 7.5 or 10mg a day. I also go looking for oxicotone. I have 2 little boys I have 2 look after and this helps me with energy to take care of them. I've also been digonosed with fibermiliya, which is nerves in your brain, which sends pain throughout your body. I keep telling myself Im gonna quit and deal with the pain but that still hasen't happened. I guess I'll die taking them for the rest of my life.


aint no joke 6 years ago

WOW!!! THIS IS A GREAT SITE,AND I UNDERSTAND ADDICTION.I USED DAILY FOR YEARS,5YRS.AGO I GOT PREGNANT AGAIN N DECIDED I NEEDED SUMTHNG DIFFERENT 4 MY NEW BABY, N OTHER 2 CHILDREN MY MOM HAD.SO I GOT ON METHADONE.AT FIRST I WAS SO HARD ON MYSELF N DIDN'T KNOW WHY I COULDN'T DO IT W/OUT THE METH.I NOW REALIZE ALL THAT DOPE I WAS SHOOTIN,TO JUST BE GLAD I WAS DOIN IT.MOST SAY UR NOT CLEAN ON MEHT,OR SUBUTEX.BUT I AM CLEAN N DONT ABUSE ANYTHING..I THANK GOD 4 N.A.,REHAB,N THE MEDS TO HELP US RECOVERING ADDICTS TO LIVE NORMAL LIVES....


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cjmo75 6 years ago from Tempe, Arizona

I'm a recovering addict. I was addicted first to vicodin and oxycontin, then heroin. I've been in revovery since June of 2006 and have been clean since November 06.

I opted to go the road of Methadone maintenance. I was scared of getting sick. Knowing then what I know now, I would have checked myself into a 30 day inpatient rehab. It took me 3.5 years to get off the Methadone. I gained a lot of weight, had lots of dental problems, and developed high blood pressure.

If you can do it, I recommend the rehab. Methadone saved my life, but it was tough to get off of. Real tough. Much tougher than any other opiate. I weened all the way down to 1 mg of Methadone and then stopped. I was still sick for almost a full month and came very close to relapsing several times.


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Nevada Logan 6 years ago from USA

So many people are relying on pain meds these days and it is a shame because it is so easy to become addicted. I know older people who rely on them to ease their pain. They don't even realize they are addicted. This is a great hub.


Robert C mile high city  6 years ago

I was in a car accident in 07 started with Vicodin and progressed into percocet and now I take 20 pills a day and hate it, I quit for five months with the help of suboxone until I tried to stop that n had withdrawal, I have oxycontin but don't like it,when I quit i have back pain but my sobriety is worth dealing with the pain n I know we all can do it. Avoid the trigger, when you are at the grocery store don't go or even look at the word pharmacy, believe me that would make me wanna relapse, with our faith in God we will succeed. GOD BLESS


IbogaineCAN HELP 6 years ago

Guys Please look into Ibogaine treatment; this could be the answer for you like it has been for so many people. Methadone is just a replacement.


Daniel 5 years ago

I'd like to take the opportunity to assuage some people's fears concerning opiate withdrawal. Here's a short synnopsis about myself. I'm currently employed as a writer but I also have a background in psychology and neuroscience. I was dependent on various opiates for roughly 3 years for pain associated with injuries incurred after an automobile accident. Unlike most people, the drugs made me rather dysphoric (unhappy), in part, due to the fact that they have side effects including, but not limited to, poor or nonexistent sex drive, irritation, difficulty urinating, weight gain, bloatedness, etc.

I tried to quit on my own several times but failed because I didn't do enough research. Once I did, I actually found the pain, bathrrom issues, etc. associated with the w/drawal process to be HIGHLY EXAGGERATED by the media and others' who have shared their stories. However, everyone is different of course, and there are factors that have to be taken into consideration for anyone to accept the validity of that statement, such as dosage, length of usage, etc. I was taking up to 260 mg of oxycodone before I decided to quit for good.

There are medications that one should have if one is doing quitting opiates on their own. This list is not exhaustive nor is it suitable for everybody. The meds I found to be of great help were the following: Lyrica (does wonders for anxiety and neuropathic pain), Tylenol quick release gel caps and Advil for aches and pains, clonidine for blood pressure and sleep, and a benzodiazepine such as Valium or Xanax (Diazepam/Alprazolam) for anxiety and psychological difficulties such as intrusive thoughts, suicidal ideations, nightmares, etc., Immodium AD for the runs, Dramamine for nausea, L-Tyrosine for depression, a powerful wide spectrum vitamin pack, and plenty of liquids (broths, soups, Boost drinks, gatorade, water, etc.).

In addition to the meds you will need, you will also want to have somebody who will be there to support you for the first week, which is often the hardest for most. Do not go on methadone or suboxone unless you're addicted (not dependent), and find the w/drawal too much to handle. You're basically substitutin one opiate for another, and, as mentioned in a previous post, these drugs can be harder to stop taking than the initial ones prescribed for pain (or obtained for recreational purposes).

Cut all sources of opiates. Move to a different town if necessary. Ask for help from family and friends. DO NOT go to a treatment center. They just want your money, believe me on that one. And, finally, the Ibogaine route is not only expensive, it is often totally infeffective and can cause trauma as it is a hallucinogenic. It can actually lead to psychosis.

In summary, proper meds, support, education from reliable sources, preparedness, and a disregard for the media and others' exaggerations is key. It is like the flu, except more difficult due to the psychological aspect. Don't be fooled. Don't be afraid. Do be strong. Do be optimistic. You CAN do this. It is not as difficult as people make it out to be.

Daniel


csheets31 5 years ago

First I wanna say your not alone. I'm a single full time father.....when my sons mom left us I was bad off taking way too many of them nasty evil Lil pills. The worst part of that addiction is not knowing if you have any for the following day like other's here o had to wake up was not content until I took 2 or 3 to start off the morning. Now I have no advice about other meds but I will say this.....get ready for a tough go at it. I was quitting cold for my my son. NOW A STRONG SUPPORT TEAM IS KEY.When I needed to talk about it they was there for me......the emptiness, pain and physical nature was terrible. next YOU HAVE TO WANT TOO! Make sure your not coming down off of pills to make this choice. LAST......BE PATIENT! I PROMISE FROM EXPERIENCE....THIS LIFE IS BETTER. YOUR ONE OF MILLIONS IN THIS BATTLE BE STRONG AND PATIENT. YOU ARE WORTH IT! GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL AND DO THIS.....I PROMISE YOUR LIFE WILL MALE SENSE AGAIN!


lilgirllost 5 years ago

Great article as always! I was wondering though why you didn't mention the fact that, especially w/opiate addiction, because of the changes that occur in brain chemistry that sometimes ppl will suffer from severe cravings and other syptoms of mental withdrawals long after the physical symptoms are over?

Especially those who may have had problem with thing like depression and such before the addiction got out of hand. The chemistry in the brain is changed because the brain has gotten use to functioning with that level of opiates triggering it. So when you quit taking them, and even after the physical syptoms are over, you can still suffer from depression, anxiety, cravings, mood swings and such for weeks, months and even years. Once the brain heals and the chemistry gets back to normal, the symptoms subside but until then it can be hell.

You notice that ppl who relapse usually relapse in the 3-16 weeks after treatment? This is because while the physcial withdrawals are over, they are still suffering from the chemical imbalance in the brain that their opiate addiction has caused.

This is where ORT (opiate replacement therapy) with suboxone or methadone comes in and can be a very invaluable tool.

I think if you can beat your addiction without medication, then that is the way to go, but for those who have tried traditional treatment more than once and have failed, ORT can be the difference in a stable, more normal life and continuing to live in an active addiction.


Steps Recovery Center 5 years ago

We had a real scare with my grandmother recently. She is such a sweet lady and I never could picture her as an addict, but the doctor prescribed some strong drugs and she got hooked. Luckily we caught it before it got too bad, but it just goes to show it can happen to anyone.


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kckcheri11 5 years ago from Holiday

I have been addicted to Roxys up until I became pregnant 2 years ago. I did not go through any rehabs because of my pregnancy, but I continued using until I got real sick and had to go to the hospital. They couldn't hear my baby's heartbeat. Although my son was alright, and his heartbeat was real faint, that was the scare of my life, and from that day forward, no matter how bad my withdrawals were, I stopped. The pain is horrible and intensified when you are pregnant, but I did it and my son Elija was born 7lbs 6ounces. Completely healthy. I haven't touched a pill in 2 years now. Unfortunately I do have a lot of friends that are currently on methadone treatment, and I see no good from it. These treatments mean and do nothing to patients who aren't equipped to handle addiction. Methadone is just as addictive and harmful as the drug these patients were on in the first place. How can you call it a treatment when a person is still taking it 20 or 30 years down the line? It's the governments way of saving money and "putting icing" over the cake. If you research it, the government is replacing the Oxycontin, hydrocodone, and Vicodin usage not only in the rehabs, but also in pain management offices and hospitals as well as primary doctors. Their excuse is that it is just as potent as these other drugs, but cost less for the government to use. So personally, the only rehab that works, is through yourself. It's gods way of testing how strong of a person you really are.


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Aimeee80 4 years ago

To Whom it May Concern,

PLEASE, READ MY STORY.

I WOULD BE FOREVER THANKFUL FOR ANY HELP YOU CAN OFFER. I AM ABSOLUTELY CONSUMMED IN MY GRIEF OVER THE LOSS OF MY DAUGHTER.

I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY SPEAKING TO VARIOUS ENTITIES THAT I AM PROTECTED FROM DISCRIMINATION UNDER THE ADA, I HAVE EVEN SPOKEN TO AN ADA REP AND WAS TOLD THE SAME THING, I HAVE FILED GRIEVENCES WITH MANY FEDERAL ENTITIES AND NOW I AM JUST WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO HELP US.

THANK YOU FOR ANY INFORMATION OR COMMENTS YOU CAN OFFER.

My name is Amy Andersen and my purpose for writing this letter is to make a formal complaint regarding the misconduct and illegal discrimination I have received under

Judge George Pulver Jr. of Greene County Family Court in

Catskill, New York.

My case involves the custody of my 7 year old daughter who was taken from me by Judge Pulver by illegal discrimination and hearsay.

My story is very complicated, but I will do my best to keep things short and to the point.

On July 11, 2011 my ex-husband Lars Andersen was given full custody of my daughter and I was to receive supervised visitation. This is what happened.

Up until last year, my husband, my daughter, and myself lived together, I was a stay at home mom and dedicated every minute of my life to raising, nurturing, and loving my little girl, we were NEVER apart, that is up until Lars met another woman that he wanted to be with.

Within one week I was forced out of our home and unable to take my daughter with me because the only place I had to go was to my mother in CT and I was not allowed to take my daughter out of state.

Over the ten years I stayed with my husband I endured unspeakable abuse, both mental and physical, but I never reported it for fear of what he would do if I did.

I immediately petitioned the court for custody of my daughter.

On our first day of court my ex-husband accused me of abusing my legally prescribed medication Vicodin, which I took to control the pain of my Fibromyalgia.

Upon hearing that false accusation, Judge Pulver did not order me to take a drug test, as he should have, he merely went on the lies of my ex-husband and remanded me to join a drug treatment center in CT with monthly reports sent to him regarding my progress in treatment.

We were in the court room for less then 5 minutes, I was not allowed to approach and defend myself in any way, I was in absolute shock and dismay because I was not abusing my medication and I was denied my legal right to take a drug test to prove it.

Because of this indiscretion my-ex husband was given temporary full custody of my daughter and I was to receive supervised visitation once a week until our next court date 3 months later.

The next day I frantically researched the facilities in my area and found a great program in my area called the APT foundation, I was immediately assessed by their physician, and upon telling them that I had to stop taking Vicodin unless I would loose my daughter permanently, they decided it would be in my best interest to start Methadone Maintenance Therapy.

This was chosen due to the fact that it is illegal to discriminate against persons on Methadone Treatment, and that includes discrimination regarding child custody.

Methadone does not impair cognitive functions; it has no adverse affects on mental capability, intelligence, employability, or parenting skills.

It is not sedating or intoxicating, nor does it interfere with ordinary activities such as driving a car.

During the next few weeks I made sure reports were being made for Judge Pulver (which were all completely positive)

I felt very confident that there would be no further problems because I did EXACTLY what the Judge ordered and was completely assured that discrimination towards me was completely illegal under the laws of the ADA.

Unfortunately, I would find out I was very, VERY wrong.

During my wait until our next court date I met with 3 lawyers in my area to discuss my case and make sure I had all my bases covered, I was told over and over, by my clinic, by lawyers, and through hundreds of hours of extensive research online, in person, and with speaking to law students I met during studying at the Yale Law School Library, that I was absolutely and completely protected from the discrimination that Methadone causes, by the ADA.

I was assured that the law states clearly that I had the same rights as a woman with diabetes that is being treated with insulin.

The REAL discrimination and misconduct started at our next court appearance.

Upon entering the court room, my court appointed lawyer (who did absolutely NOTHING for me) informed the judge of my program.

She handed him a personal letter from my clinician.

Immediately upon hearing the word “Methadone”, Judge Pulver had no interest in hearing ANOTHER word.

He awarded my abusive ex husband FULL CUSTODY of my daughter, I was given SUPERVISED VISITATION with the court appointed supervisor once a week.

I was once again DENIED a drug test to disprove further allegations by my ex of taking several anti-depressants and xanax, the Judge gave no reason for this denial.

I was given the absolute harshest sentence, a sentence that would ordinarily be given to child abuser or a murderer.

Judge Pulver had ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to give this order, I have not left out any details, this is exactly what happened.

From the very day my daughter was born I was a stay at home mom, I spent every waking hour loving and nurturing my daughter, my ex was never around, and when he was he was drunk.

My ex husband, Lars Andersen is a very wealthy business owner in the town where this case has taken place, he donates thousands to the town, he sits on the town board and “rubs elbows” with everyone who is anyone, he has even admitted that he knows Judge Pulver personally and exactly this would happen if I EVER challenged him.

He also told a very close mutual friend that he had my daughter’s lawyer “wrapped around his finger!”, as you know, she is the person who the Judge listens to most, the child’s lawyer writes a report to the judge and is supposed to be completely unbiased.

Judge Pulver has completely, illegally discriminated against me due to the details of my disability, he has had a personal biased opinion of me since day one, and he did not take one moment to educate himself regarding the laws he is currently breaking, nor does he care to due to his extreme partiality towards my ex husband.

I truly believe that the only solution to this is a change of venue, which I am sure Judge Pulver will never agree to.

These are the reasons I believe that Judge Pulver has acted with misconduct, bias, and discrimination:

*His willful failure to uphold and comply with the law

*His extreme prejudice and bias towards me

*Denying me my full right to be heard

*Deprivation of my right to due process, equal protection and basic fundamental fairness guaranteed by the United States and New York Constitutions

* Judge Pulver did not sign my custody order, In fact nobody did.

Judge Pulver has completely DESTROYED my daughter’s life, she is suffering more then I can ever imagine, she BEGS for her mother and nobody will help her, I cannot even call her to reassure her that I love her and I am fighting for her. As for me, I am completely consumed in my grief, I dedicate every waking moment of my life into finding someone, ANYONE who will listen to my story and look into Judge George Pulver.

I am attaching some findings I have discovered about Judge Pulver.

If you need to speak with me or my mother, (she was with me during each appearance) please do not hesitate to call, I am even more then willing to submit to a polygraph test.

My next order of business is to write to:

*Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman

*The Inspector General in Washington DC

*My State Representative

Please, I am pleading for you to take my story seriously, as I have told you every detail in complete honesty.

Please help me to bring my little girl home to her mother where she belongs.

Judge George Pulver Jr. has completely destroyed our li


Ck 4 years ago

Basically you just have to stop taking and endure the pain till it goes away.... The substitute drug the doctors prescribes gets abused just as much or even more


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cbpoet 4 years ago from Las Vegas, Nevada

Thank you for addressing drug addiction. Someone very close to me is going to a methadone clinic and I'm so confused by everything that is happening. My loved one is no longer bathing or taking care of themselves and I'm not sure if it's the new drug or something else going on. Is this behavior common?


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becauseilive 4 years ago from N.J.

@cbpoet - I was on a methadone clinic for eight years before getting off it (successfully!) last October. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have. The behavior you're describing does not sound typical. Normally, people who get stabilized on methadone start taking BETTER care of themselves. Is this a new behavior that ONLY started when they started taking methadone? Do you know what dose they're at (how many milligrams a day)?


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