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Help with late 80's ford

  1. Jesusjohn78 profile image61
    Jesusjohn78posted 7 years ago

    I have a beat up 1988 ford escort pony.  Allegedly it has an 89 engine in it.  I don't know the difference.  Anyways it does not start anymore.  All the spark plugs spark when it is cranked and it is getting fuel.( pulled the fuel line off the fuel filter and got squirted when the car was cranked.)  Any one have any ideas.  its a 1.9 liter engine.

  2. Jesusjohn78 profile image61
    Jesusjohn78posted 7 years ago

    apparently I cant write ford escort in the subject of my post due to forum rules.  kind of funny

  3. Jesusjohn78 profile image61
    Jesusjohn78posted 7 years ago

    so no one knows anything about fords?

  4. Arthur Fontes profile image84
    Arthur Fontesposted 7 years ago

    Maybe it jumped time or the plugs could be flooded and no good.

    You can have spark to the plug but the plug does not spark inside.  Did you just pull off the wire to check or did you pull the plug?

    1. Jesusjohn78 profile image61
      Jesusjohn78posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I pulled the plugs.  They all sparked when cranked.  One of them even sparked to my hand witch felt real good

      1. Arthur Fontes profile image84
        Arthur Fontesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        Have you checked the compression?  If the car is turning over fast you may have whitewashed the cylinders, if this is the case remove the plugs and pour oil down the cylinder head.  That will help you to regain compression.

        1. Jesusjohn78 profile image61
          Jesusjohn78posted 7 years agoin reply to this

          no i have not.  is that hard?

          1. Arthur Fontes profile image84
            Arthur Fontesposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            You need a compression gauge. You will need to check each cylinder.

            The timing may be off, have you checked the timing marks on the gears?

  5. Jesusjohn78 profile image61
    Jesusjohn78posted 7 years ago

    From what I have read to remove the cover to check the timing I need to unbolt one of the engine mounts and jack the engine up so I can have access to all the bolts.  I am hoping to avoid that.  But i never thought about the compression.  Would bad compression in a 4 cylinder cause it to not start?  Like I said it cranks it just does not start.

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      china manposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The easy way to check compression is to remove one plug and put your thumb over the hole, when you turn the engine it should fart your finger off when it compresses smile

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    china manposted 7 years ago

    A real expert told me - if it has spark, fuel and compression it must fire.

    You got spark, you got fuel, so it must be compression.

    Your timing could be out - this would have shown up as poor starting etc a long time ago and got worse - is your timing belt broken - you can check this by shining a torch through the oil filler to make sure the tappets are alive in there.

    The single biggest ford issue though is damp in the HT leads and breakdown of hte cap they are connected to.  - this sends the sparks out randomly - though you might get an occasional fire if the engine is not flooded completely by the time it gets there.

    So:
    Check the timing belt working.
    Put the rotor cap and HT leads somewhere real dry for an hour then try again ( an oven or on a heater )  if this works it will be short term so go get new ones complete and a new rotor cap.

    1. Jesusjohn78 profile image61
      Jesusjohn78posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I never had a starting problem until 2 days before it finally stopped starting.  I had just driven it 180 miles.  It was cold and rainy.  It would not start. For some reason I took the air filter housing off and it started.  it started fine two more times.  I drove it 200 miles back home parked it in my drive way and it never started again.

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        china manposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        As Arthur says - just cos your plugs are firing does notmean they are firing in the engine - You can check the earth lead to the engine block - this is underneath usually - they often look fine but are not making the connection.  Just unbolt it, clean the connection faces and bolt it back up.

  7. Jesusjohn78 profile image61
    Jesusjohn78posted 7 years ago

    Definitely looks like i have some new leads on what to check.  Thanks a lot everyone!!

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    I'm wondering about a fuel problem. Just b/c the fuel is pressurized at the fuel pump doesn't mean it's getting to the cylinders.

    Are the plugs wet with fuel? Did you buy fuel shortly before this started?

    If you spray a little starter fluid (I know, I know "not recommended" etc.) or put 1/2 tsp of gasoline down a couple of cylinders, it should fire -- if the fuel is in fact the problem.

    Any chance of water in the gas?

    Best of luck.

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    china manposted 7 years ago

    I will bet that it is electrical with a Ford - try the HT leads and Earth strap first - they take a minute to do and easy peasy - before you start jacking around big_smile

  10. earnestshub profile image87
    earnestshubposted 7 years ago

    Condensation may have formed in the distributor cap. Take it off and spray the inside with WD40 I bet it starts.
    The reason I feel this is the problem, is that it was running until you let it stand. As the motor cooled the water would have come to the inside surface and shorted it out. You will still get spark at the plugs, but not under compression. Electricity especially HT will find the line of least resistance, and I'm betting this is it.

  11. Jerami profile image74
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Grandpa always said to check the easy  stuff first.
    If its getting gas compression and spark (at proper time)in the hole you will have an explosion in the cylinder.
      As mentioned earlier, Make sure fire and gas is getting to the cylinder. 
       And as Earnest said, try thy the WD40 in the distributor cap.  Fire could be jumping randomly.
      Check the compression in all the cylinders to get an accurate reading!   If it is low, pour a little oil down all the spark plug holes.  Ck compression again.  If that increases the compression the problem is the compression rings.

      If no improvement it will be burned valves or timing, or poor oil pressure. Poor oil pressure does not allow the lifters to open the valves properly.   
      You can find the top of the piston with a sipping straw,or something slightly flexible, turn the motor slowly by hand till the piston reaches TDC.  The timing marks should be lined up or 180 degrees off. The same is true with the rotor in the distributor, 180 off.. So if you do not see the timing marks, turn the motor one more time.

        that's the basic procedure as taught by GrandPa anyway.   Good luck

  12. Wayne Orvisburg profile image75
    Wayne Orvisburgposted 7 years ago

    I know one VERY common problem with Ford Escorts was cracked heads. I doubt that is whats causing your problems, but I would recommend checking your head at some point.

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    Will Bensonposted 7 years ago

    Jesusjohn78 - How abt an update...did you find the problem?

  14. Jesusjohn78 profile image61
    Jesusjohn78posted 6 years ago

    Well I got busy and let the car sit longer ( I know that does not help)  I am finally looking into it again.  I just checked the Timing belt and it looks fine and is tight.  I don't know what else to check on the timing belt. 

    I did try spraying starter fluid into the throttle body.  Other then causing a lot of smoke it did not do much. I did this because it worked on my 91 Chevy when I had a starting problem. 

    I need to get the battery charged before I try the distributor suggestion. However any other suggestions on what I can check would be appreciated. 

    thanks!!

  15. Jesusjohn78 profile image61
    Jesusjohn78posted 6 years ago

    After charging the battery i tried to start it. The engine still cranks and turns over but does not start.

  16. Jesusjohn78 profile image61
    Jesusjohn78posted 5 years ago

    I have now figured out that the Timing is correct to the best of my knowledge.  The #1 cylinder is at its highest point when the timing mark is at TDC.  I have a nice cone of fuel spraying out of the injector.  I also have spark to all the plugs.  Any suggestions.

 
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