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A HubPages Question and Answer Session

Updated on December 24, 2013

Some Background

Twenty-two months and counting. That’s how long I have been writing for HubPages, and that is how long I have had to observe and learn as I stumbled my way through the dark halls of that site. Why dark halls you ask? Simply because when a writer is just starting out at HP, it can be a rather confusing and lonely site. There are so many instructions; there are so many good writers; and there are so many nagging questions.

How do you make money? Is it even possible to make money? How do I find keywords? How do I play this SEO game? Who can I ask for help? Will anyone ever read my articles? Why are my views so low in number? And finally, the ultimate question: am I wasting my time?

I am going to attempt to lift the fog a bit for some of you. I will give you my perspective of HP based on my experience only. It is an interesting perspective in that I never joined this site to make money. I just wanted to become a part of a writer’s community. I wanted a platform from which I could grow as a writer. Making money was never my goal nor is it today. I do not write the HubPages way. I know that. They know that. We all know that. I do not use keywords. I have no clue what the statistics mean, I have never won a Hub of the Day and I have no Editor’s Choice Hubs.

And yet I do make money and I have gained a certain amount of recognition, so I’m going to tell you what I have observed and you can take it or leave it.

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Does the Hubpages System Work?

Do bears poop in the woods? Most definitely the HP system works. I know quite a few writers who write excellent evergreen hubs and make a fine passive income from those hubs. I am the poster child for doing things the wrong way at HP and even I get a payout monthly. If it can happen to me then anyone with a semblance of talent and the ability to choose keywords carefully can make money.

The Learning Center is there to teach writers how to write evergreen hubs that will do well on the internet. Read what they have to tell you and then follow the instructions. 1250 words minimum, three pictures, keywords, additional capsules and you are on your way. Don’t do it the HP way and it is a crap shoot at best.

Does the HubPages system work for poets? No way, no how! Does it work for essayists and short story writers? No way, no how! They even tell you that in the Learning Center, so it should come as no surprise if you have 200 poems and you aren’t making any money. God bless the poets of this world. God bless the essayists and short story writers. Those people write for the pure love and passion of writing, and you will always be my kindred spirits. Just don’t expect to make any money at HP.

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How Long Does It Take to Make Money?

This question has been asked ad nauseum and there is no easy answer. My experience is that it takes a good six months to a year for your evergreen hubs to circulate around the internet and start generating considerable views.

I received my first $50 payout after four months, and I went a year receiving a payout every two months after that. Then, suddenly, the internet gods decided to smile upon me. My views on older hubs began to increase as did my earnings. Since I really hadn’t changed my writing style one bit, and since I still was not using keywords, the only thing I can attribute that increase to is the simple fact that it takes time for an article to generate views and become established in the netherworld of online writing.

As I stated earlier, there are a good many writers who earn a good deal of money monthly. Usually if you write craft articles, or travel articles, or money articles, your chances increase. Usually if you choose a niche and establish yourself as an expert in that niche your chances increase. Too often I see writers bouncing around between ten different topics, and I think that slows down your chances of a quick payout. Choose an area you are passionate about, an area that many people are passionate about, and start pounding that topic for all you are worth….and then wait and be patient. Don’t quit a niche because views are low after two months. That is not enough time to make a judgment call. Stay with a niche over a year and then you’ll have some idea if it is working or not.

If you write one article per week and the article is poor quality, then you might be waiting a long time for a payout. In fact, the Second Coming could happen before that first payment arrives in your PayPal account. Put in the effort, follow the guidelines and before you know it you just might be able to take your significant other out for dinner….at McDonalds. LOL

My buddy Mike from HubPages

Revamping Hubs

I avoided this like the plague. I simply had too many hubs and the last thing I wanted to do was go back and spruce them up so that they would be closer to evergreen….but…finally, about two months ago, I did exactly that. I took four days and I brought my old hubs up to HP standards and guess what? My views increased 32% within a week and they have continued to increase ever since.

It turns out I was wrong in my stubbornness and HP was right, and you have no idea how much it pains me to admit that. LOL

But I Don’t Get Any Comments!

Well, if you are just starting out, you won’t get comments until other Hubbers get to know you, and that only happens if you comment on their hubs and become an active part in the community. I don’t care how good a writer you are; when you are first starting out on HP nobody knows you. You could have received rave reviews from your family and friends, but on HP you are just another newbie who has to make the effort to become a part of this community.

I especially love the newcomers who friend 100 Hubbers on their first day at HP. Gee, do you think we are idiots? Show up at my site, read my hubs, make some comments and then we’ll chat about being friends. I had to do the same thing and so did all the other established writers on this site.

If you want it then earn it!

Shoot for the clouds and you just might make it rain money
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But I Heard That Earnings Fluctuate on HP

Yes they do; you heard correctly. Every once in awhile Google will do their Google thing, or something called a Panda will drop by for a visit, and earnings will take a nosedive. I don’t know why and I don’t care. All I know is that eventually earnings go back up and the market stabilizes….or it doesn’t. J Life is a gamble on the best of days and so is HubPages.

If you are relying on HP to be your sole source of income then God bless you because you are going to need it. If money is important to you then I strongly suggest you diversify as so many writers do; that way if HP has a dip in earnings you will have other earnings to help balance it all out. If I had the time I would write for HP and Bubblews, but I don’t have the time. I have too many other projects, and since HP is where my heart is then HP is where I will concentrate my online writing efforts.

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Bottom Line

We all love that bottom line, don’t we? Okay, here it is.

Can you make thousands of dollars per month on HP? Not likely! Can you make hundreds of dollars per month on HP? Most definitely, but you will have to be a good writer, be diligent, work hard and be patient.

And as an added bonus, let me just say that I adore the community of HP, and by that I mean the members, the writers, the ones who toil away daily trying to bring a bit more beauty, information and reason into this world. You have my highest respect, and I am very, very grateful for the support you have given me over these past twenty-two months. This place rocks and it is because of the writers….not the HP staff….not the HP diagram of success…..but because of the writers!

If you are a new writer and you want what I have, then work for it.

If you are an experienced writer but struggling, and you want what I have, then work for it.

Pretty simple, huh?

2013 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

“Helping writers to spread their wings and fly.”

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well welcome to HP, Gayle, and if I can be of any help feel free to drop me a line and ask any questions. Thanks for commenting.

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      Gayle 3 years ago from McLaughlin

      I voted this useful, interesting and awesome because I am one of the new squidoo writers that are being transferred here. Hubpages is like Squidoo, but it is also different in many ways. We are learning our way around Hub Pages and your articles are very informative.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Torrs, thank you. You are young enough that you can do very, very well on HP if you keep pouring out hubs at your current rate. Quality writing and a good plan will pay off.

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      Tori Canonge 3 years ago from California

      Extremely well written hub! I think you hit the nail on the head with everything. Writing in general takes time and it is so very rare to be an overnight sensation, unless an article you write goes viral immediately. In fact, a lot of things that have gone viral are at least a few months old, and some of them even a few years old. I am on HubPages because the community is awesome here and I feel like I am improving as a writer every day. I enjoy reading your hubs Bill!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Susan, how very odd. I've never heard of someone being turned down before. I know some have been banned because of inappropriate comments or controversial writing, but your case is a first for me. I'm sorry you ran into that and I hope you keep trying.

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      Susan 3 years ago

      I've applied to Hubpages and never heard anything back. I am a published writer.When I inquired why I didn't get any kind of response, they said they were busy. That was weeks ago. I wonder if they aren't really at odd with my political beliefs, as I sent them a link to my website. That would be too bad. I can write tons of stuff without political commentary. Oh well.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michele, the earnings thing will always be a mystery. I know you increase your chances by writing quality hubs according to the HP guidelines....and write often. I would also suggest sticking with a niche....this takes time but once the earnings happen then they keep happening. Good luck and if I can be of any help then email me at holland1145@yahoo.com

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      Michele Kelsey 3 years ago from Edmond, Oklahoma

      I really enjoyed this hub. I often find myself dragging my feet, because my earning go from outstanding to what the heck happened? This makes me feel better - knowing you went thru the same thing. I'm not sure I understood the video - lol, but that could be because I'm from Oklahoma, and it was hard to understand him. Ha! I wrote down your tips and plan to use them to motivate me to get back on track. I'm not sure I understand my earnings, but like you said it could be a Google/Panda thing, so maybe I should just keep aiming for quality hubs, and writing all that I can. I appreciate your advice and look forward to reading more. Michele

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thunder, I always love having you stop by. I hope you are well doing whatever you are doing. Friends are friends forever. :)

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      Catherine Taylor 3 years ago from Canada

      It's been a while bb, but I thought I'd take a wonder over here and see what you have been up to. My you have been a busy beaver! So many hubs. Loved this one, we all benefit from your "tell-it-like-it-is ,"approach. Wishing you lots of success with all of your writing endeavors, clearly you have found your niche.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Same for me Glimmer. I am just now seeing a considerable increase in my earnings after almost two years. Patience is the key my friend.

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      Glimmer Twin Fan 3 years ago

      Well said Bill, with both sides of the story. I think some people come here thinking they'll make money in a couple of weeks, and who knows, some may, but I am finding that the longer I am here and keep at it, the better things go.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hi MarieAlana! No, I have not had that problem and I haven't heard of anyone who has; that doesn't mean it hasn't happened; just that I don't know about it. :) Thanks for stopping by.

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      Marie Alana 3 years ago from Ohio

      Thanks for the advice! I have been afraid of the hubpages earning programs for quite some time, but now I see that even adsense is asking for tax information. Have you ever seen problems with identification fraud due to sharing this information?

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, I can't overemphasize enough the concepts of hard work and excellent material....there are no shortcuts to making it in the writing business. Thanks for pointing that out.

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      Deb Hirt 3 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      As the old saying goes, if it is worth it, it is worth working FOR. Great piece as always, Billy. I think we can all get there in our own time, with a little advice and good habits, as well as excellent material.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Marie, you will always get honest from me....nice? It can go either way sometimes on my articles. Get me writing about the government and nice goes out the window. Have me write about the HP staff and some of their practices, and nice might be stretching it. :) Thank you for taking the time to leave your comment.

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      Marie Flint 3 years ago from Jacksonville, Florida USA

      Bill, this is a nice, honest article.

      I've got another six months to go before I hit the two-year mark. Although I've had Editor's Choice Awards and a Hub of the Day, I haven't made any money. It took me at least eight months before I even signed up for AdSense. And, I find myself complaining about some of the ads on my hubs to the Hub Pages staff.

      I tried writing at one other "make money writing" site, but I didn't like it. Here, at least, I can write about what I want. I do try to please the Hub Pages' recommended format. SEOs? I got the ability of about a six-year-old when it comes to those. I even closed my G+ account because I heard they were going to start using people's pictures for promotions without their consent. (I can be stubborn sometimes.)

      So, thank you for sharing. --Blessings!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      agusfanani, thank you so much! You just named the reason why I love this community so much. My friends here, you included, mean a great deal to me.

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      agusfanani 3 years ago from Indonesia

      i don't earn much from HP but I'm grateful since I can get something more valuable like great people who share knowledge and writing expertise.

      Thank you very much Bill, you are one of them I mean.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      drbj, I don't know about you, but I have a terrible time understanding the gibberish in the Learning Center. They need to re-write it so the average Joe like me can understand it. :)

      You know I'm grateful, right? Thank you!

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      drbj and sherry 3 years ago from south Florida

      It would make excellent sense to me, Bill, for HubPages to include this excellent HP 'Q and A' article in its Learning Center for all to benefit by. I did!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      vkwok, HP does have its uses for all writers. I wish a lot of writers weren't so hung up on the profit concept.

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      Victor W. Kwok 3 years ago from Hawaii

      Really thanks for sharing, Bill. It's an extremely slow profit gain, but HP definitely has its uses for us writers.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Solaras, I certainly understand that. This is where I will hang my hat, for better or for worse. Thanks for the visit.

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      Solaras 3 years ago

      Thank you for sharing! I am having a hard time writing for both HP and Bubblews myself, so I concentrate my efforts over here.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Martie, I'm certainly not here for the big payouts. LOL My peers here at HP embraced me, and since I happen to believe strongly in loyalty, here I remain....and happy because of it.

      Thank you for your friendship and support my friend.

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      Martie Coetser 3 years ago from South Africa

      "Do bears poop in the woods?"

      ROFL!

      The main reason why I am still a writer in HubPages is because I have the privilege in here to communicate with the most awesome people and kindred spirits in the world, like you, Billybuc :)

      I agree all the way with you :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sherrituck, you sing a common refrain. I wish HP did a better job of encouraging....since they don't it is up to we writers to be that source of encouragement. Thank you and best wishes to you.

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      Sherri Tuck 3 years ago from Virginia

      Another excellent article. Lately, I haven't felt the inspiration kindle in my soul like I once did. After reading this, I may try to make an effort to continue on HP.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Anna, I have trouble spelling convention. :) You are my kind of writer. Thank you!

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      Anna Haven 3 years ago from Scotland

      A picture of clarity through murky waters; helpful for one and all. Poetry, short stories and eclectic non fiction with no niche......I was never big on convention :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, Ron, hopefully this will help to inform some newbies and they won't make that mistake. I was lucky to have some HP mentors who took me under their wing early on and explained the fact of life to me. Otherwise I would have been floundering like so many other newcomers. :) Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Ronald E Franklin 3 years ago from Mechanicsburg, PA

      I've gone through my times of discouragement with HP, and though this happens to be an "up" time, this hub has been an encouragement. On responding to comments: newbies often just don't know they should do that. I didn't. I published two hubs when I joined, got good comments, but had no idea that it was good manners, if nothing else, to reply. My third hub didn't come until more than a year later, but by then I had a better sense of what means to be part of the community. Somebody shouldda told me!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      DJ, you nailed it....family ties....this is my extended family, jack-asses and all. LOL

      Thank you my dear friend; the smile is appreciated.

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      DJ Anderson 3 years ago

      Great information, Bill. So many writers do not get a clear picture of

      the workings of HP and become bitterly disappointed. I think you have

      clarified much and hopefully spared many from unrealistic expectations.

      There is an amazing community family (and one jack-ass) here. I think

      we stay because of the family ties.

      You go over and beyond in helping your fellow writers.

      You are greatly appreciated.

      DJ.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Millionaire, it's good to see you again. You have been a supporter of mine since the very early days and I appreciate it whenever you find the time to stop by. Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Martin, I must be....I see your posts on it. :) Thanks for stopping by my friend.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Faith, if this were like Bubblews where you get paid for comments, you and I would be rolling in cash. :) Oh well, the gifts I receive here are so important....I think it's a shame some writers never really become a part of this great community of writers.

      But you and I have so we are the lucky ones.

      blessings and thanks always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Alicia, I hope that is true. There is too much confusion over this payment system, and too many false hopes.....I thought it was time for a reality check.

      Thank you for the visit and I hope your day is fantastic.

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      Shasta Matova 3 years ago from USA

      Hi Bill, Great insights here. Just like any other way to make money, you do have to work for it. I am still here writing hubs, although other projects do take me away from time to time.

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      Martin Kloess 3 years ago from San Francisco

      Are you following me on Facebook?

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      Faith Reaper 3 years ago from southern USA

      Dear Bill,

      Great article! I never had the intention of earning money here on HP and never signed up to do so, until just about six months, being I spend so much time on here, I thought I would just see : )

      Anyway ... that is such a valid point you have made about those who do not receive any comments, and I for one, know I have spent countless hours in connecting, reading and sharing in the HP Community, and so the comments do roll in and the blessing is two-fold, for the friendships made are priceless indeed! I truly love each and everyone I meet here and love to read their views on various topics and I am amazed at their creativity in writing. I have learned so much by trial and error. I, too, did the update thing on my hubs, bringing them up to evergreen status, and it truly makes a huge difference! I am even seeing great success in my poems, well I call them my poem and more because I add a little story to go along with such, and they are my highest scoring hubs for the most part, except one Hug! I've changed around a couple of titles and loaded some up with personal photos and those "legal" photos and ... there you go!

      One certainly does have to put in the time in the community to get back from the wonderful HP Community. Hey, Bill, imagine if you and I were paid for each comment : ) ... However, I love receiving comments, as they truly mean so much to me that anyone would even take the time to read and then comment, so I make sure to comment individually back to each and every comment.

      Up and more and sharing

      Hugs, Faith Reaper

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      Linda Crampton 3 years ago from British Columbia, Canada

      This hub is full of useful and good advice, as always, Bill. Your hub will be especially helpful for newcomers to HubPages.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      srsddn, I like the fact that you are not discouraged. Once you make your first payment then it will happen on a regular basis. Continue to be patient, and thank you for sharing your experience.

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      srsddn 3 years ago from Dehra Dun, India

      billybuc, it is over seven months now and I am yet to get my first payout. I narrowly missed it last month, probably due to the dip which happened over a month back. But I am not discouraged by that delay. Reason - intermittent boosters from experienced Hubbers like you. Moreover, my optimism is based on the trajectory that I am following which is somewhat tallying with your observations. I think HP is a great platform provided Hubbers exhibit right type of temperament and persistence to reach their goals. I will treat my first year as a period for ground preparation and wait for the second to really take off. I need good luck from you. Thanks for sharing all your experiences. Voted up and useful.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mathira, I am glad my article helped you. Best wishes as you progress in your writing career.

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      mathira 3 years ago from chennai

      billybuc, I had so many doubts about hub pages which you have answered effectively. Thank you as I found your hub an eye opener of the newbies. I have bookmarked your hub.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ricky, it is my pleasure my friend. I love it here and I love helping other writes. I get to watch them grow as writers and watch their confidence increase, and I think that is fantastic.

      Thank you for your support and friendship, buddy!

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      John, I'm glad you decided to give HP a real try. Most writers, once they really become a part of the HP community, discover gifts much more rewarding than the few dollars that can be made. I'm very happy you are here my friend.

      Thank you for your kind words.

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      Richard Ricky Hale 3 years ago from West Virginia

      Nothing but the truth here:) You're absolutely right about everything Bill and new writers should take it all in. Your right on about the community also, it makes Hubpages one of the best writing websites online. In all honesty Bill, you're a big part of that community for sure. You tell it like it is and you write for you, what your passionate about. I respect that fact tremendously. I've been fortunate here because I niche write, but tattoos are my passion. Do I write for money? Of course I do, but I love writing. Love the reference, "talk about never leaving your eggs in one basket." As fellow writers, we must find alternate methods to generate money or our need to write. As for you my friend, you're very influential Bill, encouraging also. I've been a fan since the first article and more then all, I've gained a friend along the way. Voted up, useful, awesome, interesting, and funny!! Best to you Bill.

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      John Hansen 3 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Hi Bill, Thanks for publishing another helpful and easy to understand "how to" hub for us newbies, and experienced hubbers alike.

      I'm into my fourth year on hub pages but only became active a couple of months back. Prior to that I had only published three hubs with limited views and comments. I now know that it was because I wasn't then part of the Hub Page community. I had only read a couple of other hubs myself.

      What a difference it has made since. I have got to know people, have regular followers and vice versa and thoroughly enjoying the writing experience. I have only just applied for AdSense so have to wait and see how that goes, but being chiefly a poet, won't hold my breath. I have started branching out into writing stories and a few articles on various topics (still looking for my niche) so who knows. Anyway, thanks again.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Suhail, your points are excellent my friend. We grow as writers when we write; it is a learning process that has nothing to do with money. Thank you for your thoughts and kind words.

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      Suhail Zubaid aka Clark Kent 3 years ago from Mississauga, ON

      And, of course, one can learn what is going on in the world through reading what others are writing. One can also practice writing on hubpages, without caring for income for short term gain, in order to write better on a developed niche for gains in the long run, for example, through writing a book or contributing to the print media.

      Bill, your articles are always educational and informative. I like them for these two qualities.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure, kidscraft. I know that if I had to learn the English language I would be in big trouble. :) This is a terribly difficult language to learn.

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      kidscrafts 3 years ago from Ottawa, Canada

      I can tell you that writing is a great way to learn :-) But I know I am still making mistakes :-( Thanks for your kind words and encouragements!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      kidscrafts, if you are learning English then you put to shame many English-speaking people that I know. LOL You are doing remarkably well my friend. Carry on and the rewards will come.

      Thank you!

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      kidscrafts 3 years ago from Ottawa, Canada

      Very interesting hub about hubpages, Bill. I must say I am not on hubpages to make money (but I will not refuse the checks when they will be coming...LOL). But I must say that I love the community on hubpages ; I love to read on all kind of topics and learn.

      Because I try to design crafts to help teachers, some of my work is quite seasonal and so my numbers go up and down for some of the articles. The other thing is that it's not easy to get to 1250 words for some of my projects. And I must add that hupages is very well designed to write those kinds of hubs. Anyway, I know that on top of learning English, I still have to learn a lot about writing :-)

      Thanks again Bill.... and enjoy your evening!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nell, this world needs writers willing to write about the weird things in life, just as we need poets and short story writers. We cannot all be cut out of the same cloth and I find comfort in that fact. :) Thank you as always.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nate, once you crack the earnings barrier then it happens with regularity. Getting that first payout is the toughest. Keep at it and best wishes my friend. Thank you!

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      Nathan Bernardo 3 years ago from California, United States of America

      Very encouraging. Although, I'll tell you, I've been doing this a year and a half and still haven't seen money in my hand. But it will happen. What I'm not sure of is how consistently it will keep happening after the first time. Also, I realize I do not write as much as some Hubbers do, and it's certain I'm not too good at the keyword thing.

      At any rate, always enjoy reading your work. This one definitely is inspiring and informative.

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      Nell Rose 3 years ago from England

      Hi bill, I still love writing here, I started out on here purely to write because I couldn't believe there was somewhere I could publish something straight away after years of typing away and sending stuff off! lol! I earn monthly but not that much because I mainly write weird and supernatural things, but I can't help it, I love the intrigue of weird things! lol! loved your hub as always, nell

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nadine, I hope you do. You are a fine writer and you may as well get paid for it while you are here. Thank you for your kind words.

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      Nadine May 3 years ago from Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa

      Loved reading this hub Billy. You are so generous with your advice. It's really a great help and yes I have been over my first 5 hubs and will keep at it. Shortened the headings, editing, and will add some text when I get around to it to reach the 1250 mark. I never thought of making money with my hubs, but maybe I will sign up for it if I feel confident enough. Thank you again!

      Nadine

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well, Pearl, I will definitely have a great week after that glowing comment and compliment. Thank you my friend. I try to do all those things; it's nice to be affirmed.

      And a great week to you my friend.

      bill

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      Connie Smith 3 years ago from Southern Tier New York State

      Oh my goodness, Billy--I know exactly why you earn money here, and it's no accident. Are you ready?

      You write witty, credible, information-packed articles that come straight from your heart. You give the reader just what they are looking for, and that is a great experience. You generously tell us about your bumps and bruises so we won't have to suffer those same injuries. Your hubs are a joy from start to finish, no matter what the topic because we all can identify with your life experiences.

      There, I'm done!

      Have a great week, my friend ;) Pearl

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, my condolences to your family; my prayers are winging their way to you as I write this.

      And you are right of course; we will be here eagerly awaiting your return. You are a valued member of this community my friend.

      Thank you!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brandi, I don't think you have to. I don't! You have your niche with crafts; you should also write to enjoy yourself and your writing. I think you are doing fine.

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      Mary Craig 3 years ago from New York

      Ah dear iconic Bunyanesque author, as always you are so write...I mean right! Simple is staying power and that's what you need here at HP. Slumps happen, and sometimes life happens but the good thing is keep in touch and your friends will be here. For that I, too, am most grateful. My father-in-law had his second leg amputated today after a lengthy illness and we have a lot ahead of us but I know when I'm back full force you guys'll be here! Long live the HP community and Billybuc.

      Voted up, useful, awesome, interesting and shared.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jackie, I totally agree. For the time vested the payout is a joke for poets, essayists and short story writers...but they serve a wonderful purpose with their work, and they are all wonderful peers and friends of mine....just as you are.

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      CraftytotheCore 3 years ago

      Great perspective Bill! I do see having a niche helps, but I just can't bring myself to writing about crafts every time I publish a Hub. I love to talk too much and I have a lot to say about everything! LOL

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      Jackie Lynnley 3 years ago from The Beautiful South

      I still don't make money here either but as a pride thing I am trying to work my way out of the 80s and hopefully without giving up my poetry. It really is a shame here how poets are treated. I guess I should find me a poetry site but I have put a lot of time in here and it is like a big family you would get nowhere else...despite Hp.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carter, I applaud you and others who simply write for the love of writing and to be a part of the community. I think that is the heart and soul of HubPages whether HP like that or not. LOL Thank you for your thoughts.

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      Mary 3 years ago from Cronulla NSW

      Great hub here Billy..you've put it all succinctly I have to say..I too didn't join the site to make money and that gives me the choice to write as much or as little as I like, I joined to see if I could write firstly and then get help to learn how to write better..I don't post very often, and not around as much as others but I really love being part of this engaging and worth being a part of writing community and am grateful for it ( I now know I can write an OK hub )as you are and love to read yours like this one and others stellar hubs..this will no doubt be useful for many who are new to HubPages.. great job..cheers

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Well shoot, Jo, I was about two months behind you. It took me this long to catch up with you. :) I'm glad you found this helpful; I think there is a lot of false information out there about HubPages and I just wanted to share my experience.

      blessings always my friend

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      My pleasure Doc; thanks for stopping by.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dora, remember that the real views on hubs come from Google; once they hit the Google world then you will see increased views. If you haven't already try tinkering with the titles. Sometimes just changing one word makes all the difference.

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 3 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      Bill, where were you two years ago when I arrived here at HP? :) This is a very useful guide and not only for beginners.

      Excellent informative hub.

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      lovedoctor926 3 years ago

      Useful information & helpful tips. thank you for sharing:)

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 3 years ago from The Caribbean

      Thank you for sharing from your experience. I've been editing (much more slowly than you did) and with only 3 hubs this month, my earnings are still the same with increase from editing. I think about half of my followers have quit HubPages, but like you I intend to persevere. I have learned much about writing from you and others.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Heidi, I'm going to have to thank you....I completely forgot to do that with my ebooks. Duh!!!!! How could I not see that? Sheez....I have some work to do this afternoon thanks to you.....thanks to you! :)

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      Heidi Thorne 3 years ago from Chicago Area

      Of course I agree, as always! Blogging (and that's what HP is) is a long road to income.

      Because I cannot earn Amazon affiliate income on HP (I'm in the state of ILL with whom Amazon has a tax battle royale) and eBay just isn't relevant for my topics, my earnings are definitely not paying the mortgage (or even a Pumpkin Pie Blizzard as our friend HawaiianOdysseus notes).

      But here's what I have realized, more sales and income from my books on Amazon. I use the Amazon capsules to promote my books. This is not affiliate income; this is publishing income which is a different situation altogether. HP is an excellent marketing platform for self-published writers, as long as they stay on topic as you've noted.

      Thanks for helping new hubbers out (including me)!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, I have nothing to add to that so I won't. LOL Don't be offended by this short response; it's just that you said it all perfectly and all I'm going to do is agree with you.

      love you

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for that, Sheila. Adsense is somewhat of a mystery to me and many others...happily I was accepted but in truth I know not why. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL....Melissa, I think you'l see me with an Editor's Choice soon; HP will give me one just to shut me up. LOL Thank you and hey, in case you didn't know it, winter is coming soon. :)

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ann, thank you! i had a wonderful birthday my friend. Great times!

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Exactly, Deb, and you are seeing success in the magazine world, and that is exciting. Best wishes for continued success, and thank you so much.

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      Shauna L Bowling 3 years ago from Central Florida

      I don't make a lot of money on HP but I've gained lifetime friendships and I've learned a lot about the world of SEO. I've only recently begun to see payout and it's not yet monthly, but then again, I only post once or twice a month.

      The top 3 hubs I've written as far as page views is a product review I did of Serta Rest 3" Memory Foam Mattress topper (7,360 views and climbing almost daily), A Father's Love, written for my dad's birthday (3,805 views and climbing) and a Green Tip I posted about maintaining your septic tank without using chemicals (3,775) and climbing.

      I'm one of those writers who is all over the place and doesn't have a particular niche, but that's not why I write for HP. I guess I'm getting my jollies and discovering the writer within me here. And that's just fine with me. It's a good place to practice and test the waters.

      Recently, Google introduced it's new algorithm tool, Hummingbird. The beauty of Hummingbird is it reads searches that are posed as sentences, such as "Where can I find the best mattress for a bad back?". They now look at content rather than strictly keywords in order to deliver matches to those who are searching. I know I often put complete query sentences into the search bar. Google now is looking more for quality than keyword density. They are looking and finding articles that better match the searchers' queries. I think that's really good news for those of us who don't want to use the same keyword 96 times in a post just to try to gain ranking in the search engines. It's all about quality now. If you write quality articles and address peoples' needs, your articles will rank. Like you say, it may take time; it depends on when your topic becomes hot again and has people searching for answers. Evergreen topics and quality articles that offer information and answer consumers' curiosity is the key to successful online writing.

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      sheilamyers 3 years ago

      I answered your poll with "No" but there's a reason. So far I haven't been accepted for AdSense. After reading many hubs, answers, and forum posts I know why. The simple reason is I haven't been on here long enough and my hubs haven't had a chance to "season". I'm mentioning this for anyone reading through the comments who may be wondering why they haven't yet been able to get AdSense.

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      Melissa Propp 3 years ago from Minnesota

      Very helpful hub to newbies and oldbies alike! I just have to say...You were voted the best all-around hubber and you none of your hubs were selected as Editors Choice hubs? Are you kidding me?! Obviously, the hubbers know better than the editors...

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      Ann Carr 3 years ago from SW England

      I've just noticed on other hubs that it was your birthday on 13th (a day before my partner's!), so a belated happy birthday from me! Hope you had a good one. Ann

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      Deborah Neyens 3 years ago from Iowa

      I still love writing for Hubpages, even though I've only published three new hubs this year. And that's because I'm busy doing too many other things. When I was publishing regularly, I was getting a payout about every other month. Now that I'm not, those payouts are becoming fewer and farther between. But that's okay; at this point I can say the income truly is passive. It's like earning interest on a savings account.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Flourish, we lost a lot of good writers because they are not patient enough. I believe a writer has to commit to two years to really see rewards from HP in monetary value. If you are being smirked upon then it is good news.

      Thanks for sharing your experience.

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      FlourishAnyway 3 years ago from USA

      I agree with your observations and advice. I do find that too many talented writers get frustrated or lose interest and they evaporate just as they were achieving recognition among other Hubbers and probably just before they would have seen traffic rewards. (That comes with the investment of time and quality writing.) I was questioning a bit at one point, but then one day I noticed that the search engine gods smirked upon me in an area or two. I'm too new that it would be a full Google smile, but I can hope.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sally, you are a doll and I thank you. I'm happy that you have received a payout; it will only improve and increase from now on. Six months to a year per hub; that's how long it takes and writers just need to be patient.

      As for the Editor's Choice or HOTD...it really makes no difference to me. I just find it amusing that I can be voted the best Hubber and not receive one of those. I don't know exactly what that says. LOL

      Thank you so much my friend; have a great week.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Stephanie, I'm excited that you are taking the 30/30 challenge. Best wishes to you my friend. I'll be here reading them and I'm sure enjoying them.

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      Bill Holland 3 years ago from Olympia, WA

      LOL...Marlene, I noticed the same thing about that water glass and had the same thoughts. Too funny! I don't trust myself enough to do that. I have sippy cups near me. :) Thanks for the laugh and as you might have guessed, I love it here at HP too. :)

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 3 years ago from Norfolk

      My writing experience on HubPages has been such a positive one Billy. What you describe here has been very much my own experience.

      I don't write with key words in mind. I do write to please myself. I do write craft hubs. They do receive good views.

      My total views are pretty close to 30,000 mark. I am pleased considering I am not a prolific writer like yourself.

      I have been rewarded with five Editors Choice Hubs but as yet, no Hub of the day!

      I have received one payment and I do expect to receive another before payment by the end of the year. You are spot on the money there.

      All in all I am pleased with my progress.

      I have not played the game by signing up loads of connections just for the sake of it. I just don't see the point. Most of my traffic comes from Google anyway.

      I completely agree with you about editing or improving my older hubs. I experimented last week with one which has for months, consistently received the most views, It has thus far, not been selected as an Editors Choice hub. With just a little editing it is now my highest ranked Hub and receives even more views now.

      It goes to show that the Editors Choice selection has nothing whatsoever to do with the number of views - there must be some other criteria used for selecting these.

      I do feel that HubPages have given us some great tools to help build our hubs, so vastly superior to those which we had when I first began ten months ago.

      Now, I wait with bated breath for you to be awarded a multitude of Editors Choice Hubs. It kind of sticks in my craw that it has not happened yet but it will, never fear and I will be the first to congratulate you.

      Once again you are right on the button with this one.

      Thank again Billy.

      Sally

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      Stephanie Launiu 3 years ago from Hawai'i

      Thanks again for a very helpful hub, billybuc. The main message I got - work hard and be patient. Starting Nov 1 Iʻm challenging myself to 30 hubs in 30 days. Yikes!! Iʻll let you know how I do. Aloha, Stephanie

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      Marlene Bertrand 3 years ago from Northern California, USA

      Your tips are always right on the money. While I don't generate massive income here at HubPages, I can say that I earn money here and I look forward to every payout with the same anticipation as I did when I had a "real" job.

      Money's good to receive, but it's being involved with the community that makes the time I spend here truly worthwhile. There are some great writers on this site so I spend a good amount of time reading here, too.

      By the way, Bill, the video is great, but I wish that guy in the "How to Make Money With HubPages" video wouldn't keep his water glass so close to his keyboard. I shutter every time I see things like that. One bump with his mouse and he'll be writing his hubs from the library.