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A HubPages Three Year Report Card

Updated on December 31, 2014

A Preface I Guess

The first week of January 2015 will mark my third anniversary here at HubPages, so I thought it was the perfect time to issue a report card for that writing site. As a former teacher, I have a fair amount of experience in giving report cards, and as a veteran at HP I have a fair amount of perspective, so this article is a natural.

Report cards are a way of measuring progress. As far as I can tell, they were never meant to be a negative experience, although I seem to recall a few negative experiences during my childhood after mine arrived in the mail. Regardless, this is not meant to be negative. This is simply a look at progress made by HubPages and areas of concern where I think HP can improve.

I’m sure there will be some who think this is meant to be negative in nature. I’m sorry if you think that. I happen to love this site. I’ve given this site thousands of hours of my time. I’ve grown as a writer here. I’ve supported hundreds of writers here. I matured here, and found my confidence here.

But HP has some work to do, and I refuse to wear rose-colored glasses and pretend that everything is all right, because it is not. The teacher in me will not shrink into the background and pretend that all is well.

So, I’m ready if you are. Get comfy and I’ll pontificate for awhile.

Contemplating a better HubPages
Contemplating a better HubPages | Source

EDITING

HubPages has spent a good amount of time lately introducing us to three new editors on their staff. They all seem quite qualified, and I have no doubt that they are nice people. My only question is this: what the hell are they editing? If they are editing the HOTDs, then they are failing miserably at their jobs. I gave up counting the number of HOTDs that have spelling and grammatical errors. I hope to God those articles were not reviewed by the editors before they were chosen as the “best of the best.” If they did edit those articles, then they really shouldn’t be editors on this site, and if they didn’t edit the HOTDs, then why didn’t they?

There are currently nine editors working at HP. From what I can see, that’s about eight too many.

I give the editing staff a D, only because I don’t believe in failing students.

MANAGEMENT

HubPages is a business, and since they have been in business for quite a few years now, obviously they are doing something right. They make their money on advertising, and they make enough to pay their fifteen staff members, so all is well in Hubland. Or is it? Before they bought out Squidoo they were losing writers at an alarming pace, and one has to wonder why that was? Was it because of poor management? Was it because of an unresponsive management? Was it because of an inflexible management style?

But they did buy out Squidoo, and they did see their numbers increase, and I’m sure their profits rose once again….but did their managerial problems disappear or were they masked by the influx of new writers?

Since I’m the teacher and this is my grading system, I’m going to give the HP Management a C minus. I would have given them a D, but I was feeling generous with it being the holiday season. There are too many things wrong with the site to give a higher grade.

The pay share to writers is ridiculously low. HubPages knows it, the writers know it, everyone knows it. In years past, to make up for the low payouts, HP would occasionally have contests with cash rewards, but they don’t even bother to do that any longer. Why pay out cash rewards when the suckers keep writing for pennies, right?

Consider this if you will: this month, to date, there are over 971,000 hubs written on HP. I wonder what kind of ad revenue HP makes from that number of hubs? If they make one dollar per hub they are closing in on a million bucks for the month of December. Pay off the fifteen staff members, and they still have a sizeable chunk of change left over. Heaven forbid they consider tossing a few extra pennies at the writers.

Of course, the HP management team could have encouraged veteran writers in a myriad of different ways, to make up for the lack of payouts, but they haven’t even bothered to do that. They give a shout out to new writers with their “Rising Stars” feature, but really, all that amounts to is a pat on the head to placate a few while the majority languishes in obscurity.

Advice to HP management: hire a community relations person. It will be that person’s job to encourage writers, communicate with writers, and generally spread good will to writers. Hire me if you want. I work cheap, obviously, based on my three years here at HP. I was voted Most Supportive, so pay me a few hundred bucks each month and I’ll take the time to make HP writers feel like someone gives a damn about them.

Come to think of it, a C minus might be too high.

Marketing Team

There are two marketing specialists working at HP. Christy Kirwan seems to at least make an effort to reach out to the community of writers, so I assume she is a real person. I’m not sure what the other marketing member does. I’ll give this team a C because of Christy’s efforts. The grade would have been higher if Simone still worked for HP, but unfortunately, for all of us, Simone moved on to much-greener pastures.

Engineers and Software

I have no doubt that this group earns their money. It can’t be easy to keep a site of this size up and running daily. Sure there are occasional delays, but for the most part, this team does a pretty good job….not outstanding, but still worthy of a B grade.

EDUCATION

Only one person works in the Education Department, but she does a pretty good job educating writers to write the HP way. I’ll give her a B for her efforts.

MODERATORS

Sure, whatever! I don’t know what this means or what they moderate, and that fact alone means they get an incomplete for their grade. Actually, I do know what they do, but when they contact writers, it is always an automated message, so they get no grade from me because of their lack of people skills.

Three members of the excellent community of writers on HP
Three members of the excellent community of writers on HP | Source

The Community of Writers

If there is a more supportive group of online writers then point me in their direction, because the HP Community is outstanding. Yes, there are some who never support or praise others, but by and large, this group gets high marks for their efforts. I don’t need to expound for too long on their virtues. I’m giving the community of writers an A minus.

Here is where the HP management is missing the boat. HP has a stable full of thoroughbreds that they ignore, and from a marketing standpoint that simply makes zero sense. Every year they give a Hubbie Award to the person most likely to work for HubPages, but as far as I know, HP has yet to hire one of their writers. What’s up with that nonsense?

Taking a break after issuing report cards
Taking a break after issuing report cards | Source

Overall Grade

So the report card shows one D, one C minus, one C, two Bs, an incomplete and an A minus. Not exactly something to brag about but hey, it’s better than failing all of the classes. The worst thing I can say about this report card is that it resembles my report cards in high school. When I came home with one of these report cards, my dad would whoop my butt. The staff at HP can be happy in the fact that my dad is no longer with us because those whoopings could be painful.

So There You Have It

I expect nothing to be accomplished by writing this but it makes me feel better. I’ll be interested in your thoughts on the report card. Feel free to share them in the comment section.

To my fellow writers on HP….THANK YOU! You are the heart and soul of HP, and the collective reason why I stay here.

To the HP Staff…..ummm….it’s been real!

2014 William D. Holland (aka billybuc)

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      carol stanley 2 years ago from Arizona

      As you know I was active here for about 1.5 years. And I am aware of how good it has been for you in your total writing career. I do wonder if anyone makes some decent money here. I know several years ago there were people topping $1000 per month. I continue to make about $8.00 a month without writing of course. You summed this sight up perfectly, and I think the reason for its success is the low pay to writers and there are always new writers around to relish a place to showcase their work.

      To me if they honored their superior writers--lets say the top 20 writers each month gets $100 for the most views or whatever. It seems to be the one writing mill that has survived..SO as long there is a totally realistic view here it can be a great place to write.

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      Janine Huldie 2 years ago from New York, New York

      I adore you Bill and did stop writing here awhile back not because of the community of the writers, yourself includes, but for the actual people running the show here. I do love to write, but I also need to help support my family. So for that reason I moved on, but I still do come here daily, especially you. So huge thank you for once again just being you. Happy New Year and the best in 2015 only!!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Carol, I love your suggestion, but you and I both know this site could care less about the good writers. It's all about the ads. This writing mill will survive as long as they pay peanuts for dollars. :)

      Happy New Year, Carol, and thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Janine, HP lost a good one when you left, and there are thousands like you who have moved on because there was close to zero support on this site from the company. I think it is sad.

      Thank you for coming back for me and some others. YOu are appreciated.

      Happy New Year dear friend.

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      Brie Hoffman 2 years ago from Manhattan

      Very accurate assessment in my opinion.

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      Man did you hit the nail on the head with a few of these reports. I have been here for over 6 years now and I have left and come back a few of those years. I do so want to know the mentality of those who are choosing the HOTD too. Some of them are years old and you would think that with as many writers where they could choose a hub that was written within a week. That would give the HOTD more credibility. At least that is my opinion. For the moderators! Ha!!! What do they do? Nothing that I have seen and that has been for years now. It doesn't matter who they have on staff. I think it is an ego trip for someone and that is all.

      6 years ago it was a, 60 (for the writers) /40 (for the staff) ratio and I fail to see where this is right now. The one thing that keeps me here is the writing platform. It is easy and I have tried many other writing sites and come back here because it is so easy.

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      Old Poolman 2 years ago

      Good report on the Hub Pages report card Bill. I gave up writing for hub pages back when the rules were changing on a daily basis. I thought I would let the dust settle until they had a final draft of the rule book, and then perhaps take the time to learn the rules.

      If nothing else, hub pages is a good place to practice writing skills where someone might actually read what we write.

      Your support of struggling writers is probably the best thing that comes from hub pages. You really should be on their payroll.

      Happy New Year to you and yours.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Brie. Good to see you.

      Happy New Year!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks for your insights, Debra. I'm not sure what management is thinking. They almost ran the business into the ground before the Squidoo writers showed up, but they don't seem to learn the lessons they should learn.

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      Deborah Demander 2 years ago from First Wyoming, then THE WORLD

      Bill,

      Thank you for your honest and fair assessment of Hubpages. I have been writing here for just over four years.

      As with Lady Guinevere, I come and go. The money is a pittance, but I love writing. I'm not in it so much for the money, but for the fun of sharing creative ideas with other great writers.

      I appreciate your insight. Thank you for taking the time to write.

      Namaste.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mike, it really does sadden me that you and many others are no longer writing here. That is the biggest loss I have seen on this site. Instead of supporting the good ones, they ignore them. No way to run a business.

      Happy New Year to you, buddy, and thank you.

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      Jackie Lynnley 2 years ago from The Beautiful South

      Great points; it does not seem as though real business people are running the show for sure. I have always been honest in my opinion of them and suppose that accounts for my grade. lol That HOTD really is a puzzler; I just stopped reading them for the most part but what gets me more than anything is that you can never figure this place out! You can work your butt off and go by all their rules and suggestions and then see someone who waltzes in with one photo and barely 700 words; not on any outstanding subject and they get the best grade. How can that be? That is all I want to know. This stuff about "Oh, it doesn't matter." does not cut it with me. It matters to me.

      Well gotta go Bill I feel a Faith Hill song coming on.

      ^+!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Deborah. I am here for the same reasons. The money is a joke...almost an insult...but this is a great place to work with other talented writers.

      Happy New Year to you!

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Hi Bill, I don't think you were too harsh with your report card. You could have given comments like: HP has ability in this area but needs to apply themselves more diligently. They have a basic understanding of math but problem solving ability is lacking. The new editors they introduced are the Hub Pro Editors, they are the ones employed to help improve the top echelon of hubs on the site (if the authors sign up for Hub Pro editing). Seems to me it is the lower quality hubs they should be helping to improve. I found this an enjoyable read and a fair report. I think they should hire you as liaison/customer support officer.

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      Well for one they do one thing and say another with the bullying that goes on around here. The say that they do not allow such behavior but you have to practically shout in their faces when one is being bullied to have them stop the activity. They say they do not allow it but their lack of action speaks volumns and they seem to love that activity. Like we both agree on...what do the moderators do? It would seem, by my observation, that someone is just sitting back and watching/reading all the bullying going on and laughing at it.

      Some staff may have their credentials in order, but that does not mean they are emotionally ready for such a position. I am finding this, not only here but other places as well, to be the case with those who have little experience in the field they are hired for. In all my years I have never seen such lack of business sense as I have in the last few years. It brings one to ask the question...what are they teaching these college students these days....or what is missing?

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      Debra Allen 2 years ago from West By God

      Jackie Lynnley, I am with you all the way! I go and get all the stuff that they want on my hub, just to be featured, pass the QAP, and then get a hub score of 60 something. It makes no sense whatsoever. There is no rhyme or reason with that.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Jackie. I think it's a shame that HP doesn't respond to questions like yours. You've paid your dues and deserve a real human being answering you.

      I'm glad you are here, so there!

      Happy New Year and enjoy Faith Hill.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 2 years ago from Norfolk

      Hello Billy,

      Consider yourself hired, well who could refuse an offer like that! Don't sell yourself too cheap mind, there are enough of us doing that. The earning aspect is a real downer for me as I really do need to earn more than a dollar a day. I also hate the profile score - mine went down six points in one day! I reckon it was because I dared to mention it in a thread yesterday! Oh no, I think it just went down another point! I do find that rather strange as my traffic and earnings are there highest currently so how you you explain that one?

      I agree with you about everything you have said and would it not be a nice thing for HubPages staff to actually write back this time and hire you on before the 5th January 2015.

      Happy New Year to you and yours Billy, I do hope it is a good one.

      Sally

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you John! HubPro...don't get me started on that farce!!!! Loved the comments...I should have done that. Seems a veteran teacher would have remembered that. LOL Happy New Year my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Debra, the bullying is out of hand in my opinion. I don't know why HP won't address it. I would think that things that hurt their site would be dealt with immediately.

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      Ann Carr 2 years ago from SW England

      Great report. I agree with it all. I know little about the staff at hubpages but I do know that we get precious little. As you say, the community itself makes it all worthwhile because we have great friends here. I do hope someone 'up high' reads this and takes note and, the important bit, does something about it!

      Your photo, which I've seen loads of times of course, has you and Bev and I know your hubpages names but what is the site of the lady on the right? I'd be interested to have a look at her profile if I haven't already.

      Thanks, bill!

      A Very Happy New Year to you, to Bev and to the other lovely lady too!

      Ann :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ann, this isn't the first time I have called management out, and I've never heard from them. No reason to expect differently today.

      The lady in the picture is Stephanie Hicks, and here is her site.....http://hubpages.com/@stephhicks68

      Happy New Year my friend.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Sally. I'm sure I'll never hear back from HP. Why would they bother? They are too busy editing to actually respond to a writer.

      Happy New Year to you and your family, Sally. I do appreciate you.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Debra, I don't have a clue. I've never understood the scores or what changes them. My profile score will change several points every day, and I have no idea why or how.

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      Eiddwen 2 years ago from Wales

      A great report Billy you have covered all areas with sobering reality.

      I have to agree with what has been said above in that you would make a brilliant addition to the HubPages team but maybe but as you say you probably won't even hear back from them. My time here this year has been erratic but I have returned for the wonderful people who are now my dear friends and it is this that carries me on to write and try to inspire. Thank you again for speaking out on behalf of us all and a wonderful new year to you my dear friend.

      Eddy.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Eddy! Happy New Year to you, my friend.

      billy

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      Elizabeth Barrett 2 years ago from Maine

      Awesome report and some of the reasons why my excitement for HubPages died off!!! I keep wanting to come back but am afraid of investing so much of my tiny free time on something that will not recognize me or give me what I deserve. I already have a day job for that = P

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Back again, I just read Sally comment on the hubber/profile score. Mine has been steady on 94 for about two weeks. As soon as I wrote a poetry hub "The Little Children Cry in Vain" it dropped one point, then after I posted my last comment here it dropped another point...oh well, that's life.

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      Cristen Iris 2 years ago from Boise, Idaho

      Spot on! I stay because of writers and friends like you. I would LOVE some actual editorial feedback, among other things. You brought up an excellent point about marketing. If HP would actually help its exceptional writers I bet they'd return the favor by promoting HP. There is no win-win here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Liz, you are one of many who have left HP, and that truly saddens me. I understand why all of you left, and I think there is a serious void because of it. I wish I could change it, but HP doesn't pay any attention to me. :) Happy New Year to you and your family.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      John, it's very hard to figure what goes on with those scores. I'm no closer to understanding them today than I was three years ago.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      From a business standpoint, Iris, their approach makes no sense. Keep your employees happy and they will promote your business. That's Marketing 101 as far as I'm concerned. How did they ever miss that lecture in class??? :)

      Thank you as always, Iris!

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      Shauna L Bowling 2 years ago from Central Florida

      Bill, I agree with you on all counts but one: moderators. They go through and un-feature hubs in bulk without ever notifying the writer that their hubs are being taken off the radar. I know you don't like to give Fs, but I have no problem letting HP know I feel the moderators greatly fail in this area.

      The best part about HP is the community. I've made a great many friends here. For that I'm grateful.

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      dragonflycolor 2 years ago

      This was interesting to read and it made me think about my efforts here on HP. I do like the community of writers, but maybe it's time to move forward? Maybe it's time to change perspective? I'm not sure, but your report card is accurate based on my own experiences here on HP and I wish HP would up the ante already! I have some pondering to do, but in the mean time, thank you for your insight and have a happy new year!

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      Elizabeth Barrett 2 years ago from Maine

      Happy New Year to you too Bill. I will probably be back. I've been writing a little, was thinking of starting a new profile but if Hubpages doesn't care if I mix poetry with articles, why should I?? I hope you and Bev and your little urban farm have a fantastic new years!!

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      Sandra Joy Eastman 2 years ago from Robbinsdale MN

      Interesting hub and a real eye opener. As my experience here is still less than a year I haven't been too upset with so little of a return. It's a shame they lose good writers daily. I just think of it as a writing venue to express ideas and practice ones writing skills. Writers are low paid in many areas. Some of the freelance sites are a joke. They definitely want "something for nothing" as my mother would say. They are lucky that "you get what you pay for" doesn't apply here. Hub pages is getting far more than they pay for. I hope your hub gives them a shove it the right direction but I won't hold my breath.

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      Catherine Giordano 2 years ago from Orlando Florida

      Thank you for this Billybuc. You are a tough grader, but you gave your reasons and it all seems fair. I'm sharing this (H+) and voting up because hubbers and staff both should think about these issues. It's six months for me, and I no longer have any expectations of making money here. I keep writing because I have things I want to say. and, who knows, maybe one day, I will stumble upon something that makes money.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sha, you aren't disagreeing with me. I simply said I had no idea what they did. :) You are right on and I thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mari, it all depends on what you want. If you want money from HP then you are in for a long wait, and your time probably can be served better somewhere else. I would hate to see you leave, but I know where to find you. :) Happy New Year and thank you!

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      Frank Atanacio 2 years ago from Shelton

      first, a great idea giving them the grade and secondly, I too wondered what they are editing.. im on your page my friend :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Liz! 2015 is going to be a great year and I'm very excited about the possibilities.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Sandra, thank you. HP won't listen to a word I say, but I can live with that. I'm only here because of you and others like you.

      Happy New Year!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Catherine, that's the attitude you have to have here at HP. Write because you have things you want to say and have no expectations. I'm glad you are getting what you want here, and I'm grateful that you are a member.

      Happy New Year to you and yours.

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      Marlene Bertrand 2 years ago from Northern California, USA

      It has been real, hasn't it? I agree with your grading system. I especially think the shout out to the "Rising Stars" is kind of a waste of time. I think instead of acknowledging the rising stars, HubPages should recognize the veterans. The long-timers are the writers I am most interested in reading and following. Oh well, I'm not in charge. But, like you, I'm not going anywhere because, this place is the best I have found so far. It's all we get.

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      Eric Dierker 2 years ago from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A.

      I suppose that if we keep writing their business model is correct. That kind of stinks but it is what it is. I mark the editors and moderators lower. But if that few are doing all the work on nearly a million hubs, well that would explain their low performance.

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      Lorelei Cohen 2 years ago from Canada

      Really did enjoy reading your assessment of the back workings here at Hubpages. I have been a very quiet member of the site for a quite a few years but was not active here in the least. It is only now that my articles were planted here with the recent closing of squidoo that I am becoming a more active participant. Still trying to decide if I want to be here or not but your article does help.

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      Barbara Kay Badder 2 years ago from USA

      From keeping up with the forums, my understanding is that Hubpages is now getting about the same traffic it did before the Squidoo merger. A new Panda hit the site hard right after that. Then Hubpages put many of the Squidoo lenses into a not featured status. That caused most of them to become angry and they are now creating their own websites.

      I love Hubpages too, but there are some real issues going on there. They need to keep the stats up-to-date and as you said improve communications. I enjoyed your report card.

      Have a Happy New Year.

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      Peg Cole 2 years ago from Dallas, Texas

      Hi Billybuc, You are quite generous in your grading, perhaps it is done on a curve. Having been here five years, I experienced the "old" Hub Pages where Simone was a daily part of the experience in community. She encouraged and responded to people and made us feel worthwhile. Contests served to inspire new hubs and give us a chance to showcase our skills. These days, we have to rely on internal inspiration from others who create challenges.

      I agree with you on the value of the editors recently hired. It would seem like they could be put to good use on fixing the articles that remain below standard and like someone else suggested, help each hubber with one rewrite, not concentrate all their effort on one hubber's entire work. Let us help our selves (and learn) once we are given some direction.

      This year's changes (Panda, Squidoo etc.) have brought with it extreme variations in hub ranking within our accounts, not to mention a drop in our values for authorship scores as well as inconsistent traffic counts. This has served to demoralize many, including myself. For our efforts when we publish, our scores drop. This may not be important to others, but, like the approval rating for the President, it does count toward general satisfaction levels.

      Anyhow, you've knocked it out of the ball park on this year's review.

      PS. Did you happen to find the editorial error on one of the Editor's introduction blog? It's just me, isn't it? I would think they should be flawless.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks, Frank! It will always be a mystery to me, but that's okay as long as writers like you are here.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It is for sure, all we get, Marlene, but for me it's enough. If it weren't for HP I would have never met you and others like you.

      Thank you and Happy New Year!

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      Theresa Ast 2 years ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      Right on target as always. I wonder if they ever realize how lucky they are to have the faithful community-focused Hubbers .... probably not. Sad. Thanks Bill.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Eric, you may have a valid point, one I hadn't considered, but again, that goes back to a business model that isn't working.

      Oh well! Happy New Year buddy. I'll see you around the corner.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Lorelie. Pretty name by the way. I'm glad you are here, and I hope you stick around.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Barbara Kay, I didn't know that about their traffic numbers, but it doesn't surprise me. There are some very real problems here and I would love to know what the staff thinks about it all. Like that will ever happen! LOL Thank you and Happy New Year.

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      muhammad abdullah javed 2 years ago

      The eyes without a rose-colored glass have realistically analysed the performance. I admire the way you have critically examined some of the core issues, most important one is about the editing. Hope that the dawn of the new year will ensure colorful changes. Thanks Bill Sir.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PegCole, I'm laughing because yes, I did see that error, and my response was the same as yours. A bit tacky that was. :) Thanks for your feedback. I miss the old days, and we could have them again, but not while on the current path.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      I don't think they do, Theresa, nor do I think they care. Maybe that's just me.

      Happy New Year and thank you, my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you m abdullah javed...hopefully we will see changes in the New Year. Thank you!

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      Heidi Thorne 2 years ago from Chicago Area

      Well, I might be a bit more kind to HP. I would guesstimate that they make far less than $1 per hub published. Maybe half that... or less. Plus, the costs of running a pure play Internet business can equal or rival a real world business. Legal, media liability insurance, staffers, hubber commissions, hosting storage space for hubs, site development and maintenance... the list goes on and on.

      That being said, I'd probably give them a B. There are a few things I'd like to see on the site.

      I'll agree that the editing function is sorely in need of help. (I'd apply if they're looking for offsite editors.) Sure, a minor slip here or there is going to happen. Even happens on the best sites. But there are some truly grevious errors that need to be addressed.

      Topping that list would be a way to add a subscribe to email updates without becoming a member to help us build our fan bases... and it could help build their revenues, too. As soon as we publish a new hub, the summary and title would be emailed to fans with a clickable link to read the full hub. This is how many traditional blogs operate.

      I'd also like to see a feature that allows readers to see all posts by a hubber for a particular category. As it stands right now, we have to publish a hub to provide readers with a list of those links OR publish a list of those links off the HP site.

      I'll also throw this out there. If you're truly running a business on the Internet, you may be thrilled with the kind of results you get here at HP. Running an Internet business is tough, tough, tough! Getting traffic is a major undertaking and Google, Bing, etc. can slap the silly out of the most competent of websites, sometimes overnight, and for no apparent reason. Anyone want to share their traffic stats of their non-HP sites with us here? If you're getting good traffic on your own sites, spend more of your time and money on that site, not on HP.

      Okay, that's my two cents. But overall, I love that HP has allowed me to offload blogsite maintenance and costs to someone who can do it cheaper, better and faster. And, as it appears you'd agree, the HP community has been one of the most engaged and friendly I've encountered on the Internet.

      Happy New Year and I look forward to another year of friendship and fun here in HPland!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Heidi, it's always good to hear your perspective, and I love your generous grading system. :) Your suggestions are wonderful ones. I suspect they will be ignored, but that in no way diminishes them.

      Thank you as always. Happy New Year to you and I certainly look forward to the coming year.

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      Linda Lum 2 years ago from Washington State, USA

      Bill, I have to give you an A for this one. You have clearly identified the problems with Hub Pages; I hope they are listening. HP is a wonderful community of writers, but honestly if not for them (and you are at the top of the list) I would have left long ago.

      (By the way, would it hurt your feelings if I point out that this will probably not be awarded HOTD?) {{wink}}

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      Cynthia Calhoun 2 years ago from Western NC

      You know, I've always loved the community here. And I DO get revenue from my hubs each month. Okay. There was a point where I was thinking, "I'm going to hub, hub, hub" when I get out of school.

      But why? When I have written 170 hubs and MOST of them get 0 views. After all work getting perfect photos and amazon capsules.

      There are the prolific hubbers and I completely admire them. I just don't feel compelled to write here now. Is it the copy cats? Is it the lack of incentive? Is it the chunk of revenue I don't get as a writer?

      I have so much more fun these days on my own site and with the possibility of ebooks, I like the idea of staking out on my own. No, I will admit that so far I haven't made the revenues I have made here on HP. But, when you write on someone else's site, you'll always be a part of someone else's work - it's never completely your own, even though we own the rights to our hubs.

      That said, I appreciate HP for what it did for me in the first place: it turned me into a writer.

      I *do* wish for a charismatic personality on staff like Simone. She was awesome at the customer relations part of it. And I don't know if she ran all the contests, but they sure were fun AND motivated me to write more.

      I'll tell you a secret. I've had a hub (about Spanish stuff) ready to publish since July. I just haven't had the motivation to add the perfect photos to it. It's really ready to go other than that. I've been debating whether to just make an ebook of these things. I like to write about enough different topics...I could probably come up with some clever pen names. :D

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      Cynthia Calhoun 2 years ago from Western NC

      I felt compelled to go back and count. LOL. So out of 170 hubs, 136 of them have no traffic for today. It's different for the 7 day reports and the 30 day reports are more different still, with many more having been visited. It's either the bleak reality for the life of a writer or I just ain't any good. :P HAHA. Okay, I'll give myself some credit. I actually feel pretty confident as a writer. That is until the first ebook comes out. Then I will chew my nails down to the quick...

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      Simon 2 years ago from Ireland

      very good and honest report. I have been a here a fair few months but this is my first time back in a while. It's people like you that make me want to become part of this community and hopefully I will be more involved this year and can get my act together!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Linda, you just shattered my dreams. LOL Here I thought this would be a shoo-in for HOTD. Darn it!

      Thank you...I'm sure glad you are here. I'll see you next year, same time, same place. :)

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cyndi, if I were you, and I know you didn't ask for my opinion, I would make an ebook out of those Spanish articles. At least then you have some chance of making revenue from them.

      You are one of those who encouraged me early on and kept me here when I wanted to quit, and for that you will always be special to me.

      Happy New Year lil Sis

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Cyndi, even if you don't get sales on the first ebook, you are a good writer. This is a numbers game....you keep writing and building your platform, and sooner or later the hard work will pay. I have to believe that because I don't like the alternative. :)

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      Marcy Goodfleisch 2 years ago from Planet Earth

      Congrats on your upcoming anniversary, Billy! So proud to be on the same site with you! Keep up the great work - you're a role model here!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Francis. I appreciate the nice words and I hope to see more of you next year. Happy New Year to you.

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      Kas 2 years ago from Bartlett, Tennessee

      Wow Bill, I come back onto Hubpages just in time for the hammer to come down lol. I honestly saw some of the problems before I left the site, but I haven't been here long enough consistently to offer an honest assessment. I'm glad someone has the guts to speak truth when they see it. A very honest and refreshing article my friend, voting up and sharing.

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      DJ Anderson 2 years ago

      A very realistic article, Bill. Not that it's going to do any good, but you put out a great effort. A+

      Like you, I stay for the friendships that have been formed. Good thing

      I depended on it for nothing more, as I would have starved to death.

      Happy New Year to you, Bev, and all the family. Yes, that includes the

      all the mongrels. I've think I may have forgotten the chicken's names; Fricassee, Dumplings, Stewy, Cacciatore, and Tandoori. I do pride myself on my super memory!!!

      Happy New Year to you and Bev,

      DJ.

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      Glimmer Twin Fan 2 years ago

      Happy New Year Bill!

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      Liza Treadwell Esq aka Liza Lugo JD 2 years ago from New York, NY

      Bill, what a smart and accurate hub. Although I have not totally left HP, I did less here to pursue more professional opportunities. I don't know what the editors do but my guess is that why shouldn't they take a job where they have to do nothing and still get paid. The quality of hubs has gone down...grammatcal errors galore. I agree that this is the report card HP deserves. I totally enjoy your work tremendously. Once again, bravo.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you so much, Marcy. I have respected you since I started here at HP. Early encouragement by you and others kept me here, and I will always appreciate that support.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Hey Kas, welcome back my friend. I hope this finds you well. Thanks for visiting me, and Happy New Year, buddy!

      blessings always

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      It won't do any good, DJ, but I felt better writing it.

      Happy New Year to you, DJ. Thank you for your loyal friendship.

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Glimmer and Happy New Year to you and your family.

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      Deborah Neyens 2 years ago from Iowa

      I would love to see them select this article for HOTD! Well done, Bill.

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      billybuc

      You are a generous grader.

      The automated message is made worse that it doesn't allow a dialogue to determine what specifically is the problem.

      As for the money?

      Maybe someone that makes a thousand dollars or more from writing on hp can tell us the statistics needed to make that kind of money.

      For example, how many hubs, how many views, how many comments etc.

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      Ruby Jean Fuller 2 years ago from Southern Illinois

      Voted up and out-of-the-ball-park. I give you an A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Happy New Year!!!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you lawdoc....I agree with everything you've written. I'm just grateful for the opportunity to meet people like you. That is the true gift of HP.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Like that's going to happen, Deb! LOL Great thought, though!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brad, I honestly don't know if one of those people exists any longer on this site. I know they once wrote here, but they have been gone a long time now, never to return.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ruby, that's the best A+++++++++++++++ I have ever received. Thank you and Happy New Year!

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      Mark Bruno 2 years ago from New Jersey Shore

      Bill, what an excellent hub you have here. I think you hit the nail on the head and true to every statement. As you know I have over 450 hubs and have stopped writing here for awhile. I check my stats everyday and my earning and get disgusted. No views hardly and only cents per day on HP ads. You did a great job on this bill and while I have you hear, I want to wish you and yours a Very Happy and Safe New Years my friend

      God Bless,

      Mark

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Mark. I know it will do no good, but it still felt good to write it. I think it's a shame that good writers like you get no recognition or reward for your hard work.

      Happy New Year to you and yours, my friend, and blessings always.

      bill

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      Sam Deal 2 years ago from Earth

      It feels so good to find myself reading one of your hubs again, billybuc. This one was well-written as always and I hope you get paid for encouraging new writers as you did for me. Have a happy new year, my friend.

      Sincerely,

      DealForALiving

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deal, thank you and welcome back to my humble site. I wish you a fantastic 2015, my friend.

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      Jackie 2 years ago

      Thanks Bill and LG; Happy New Year!

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      Rachael O'Halloran 2 years ago from United States

      Hmm, were those grades given on the curve? lol They were much too kind.

      I agree with your report card to a point. But instead of no grade for moderation, I would have come right out and said it - they get an F for "moderation" because they moderate nothing - especially in forums. Like you, I have curtailed my forum presence precisely because of lack of moderation and HP's allowing the same trolls to hang out there either harassing someone, outright bullying or doing their "I'm queen of the forums" routines.

      Moderators who are unpublishing articles (esp long time published articles) need to start looking at the influx of Squidoo articles to edit and moderate them. Some of the writing and grammar is atrocious.

      There were (and still are) too many things wrong with this site that HP needs to address and should have been addressed before Squidoo writers ever got here. Now that they are here, HP's problems have increased tenfold. If HP couldn't take care of the garbage and spam before, they will never get a handle on it now.

      As far as writer payouts, HP has hired more employees so the chances of HP writers getting any better payouts are slim to none because salaries and profits are the bottom line.

      Also cutting into our profits are four cloned websites with the work of many hubbers on them that HP has done nothing about. This cuts into our views, thus our profits. Only one time I saw that HP answered, saying that we own the copyright on our hubs and so the cloned sites are our problem. Well, the whole damn site has been hijacked four times now, so how doesn't that make it HP's problem? We can't DMCA the sites because the hosts are foreign entities who don't honor copyrights, but hijacking a whole website should have some recourse.

      Maybe due to coming of a new year or just because I'm becoming disenchanted here, but for the last few weeks, I've been giving serious thought about my future on HP. I've been here for 10 months with this account and as moderator for the other account for about 17 months. One account makes payout each month, the other has yet to see one payment. I'm just thinking of going "all in" with my blogs. The only thing that keeps me here is the wonderful community of writers and the user-friendly platform.

      Here's hoping they take a glimpse at your report card and make some improvements before their next report card. :(

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      Doris H. Dancy 2 years ago from Yorktown, Virginia

      Billybuc ~Well, you have done it again. As a rather new hubber, I knew NOTHING about most of the people or departments that you mentioned, so that was both educational and interesting. I totally agreed with you that the writing community is awesome. Since I am only on my ninth hub, I don't qualify for payment, but based on your assessment if and when I do, I can't quit my day job. LOL Billybuc, as usual I give you A+ and I would have loved reading some of your comments to your students. Even if they got the forbidden "F," I'm sure they got a laugh or two. Voted up!

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      William Leverne Smith 2 years ago from Hollister, MO

      Your hubs always generate such fascinating comments... this one, especially! Thanks for sharing your HubPages Report Card! ;-)

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      Nancy Pawlowski 2 years ago from Casper WY

      Hi, I'm a new hubber as of July 2014. I worked hard to get my minimum 10 hubs done, just so I could sign up for the income. So far I've had zero income. Not that I do this for the money, just would like to see if it worked like the job ad said (it was advertised in the Workforce Services job listing in my state as an actual paying job).

      I don't really understand how it all works, but I do like having an outlet to write my articles. I don't know about the bullying or other things mentioned as I have not (yet?) experienced them...other than zero income and no traffic.

      Thank you for sharing your insights as it gave me a little more information than I found on my own.

      Happy New Year!

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      Michele Kelsey 2 years ago

      well you know who I am hopefully and you are my only mentor and the only one I need. I think it's funny that you say you would take the time to encourage (in other words) other writers if they would hire you! Bill! You are the best at doing that already! You know that! Lol. I look to you as a guide in so many aspects of my life. I doubt they will hire you- their loss- but you do more for this community than anyone! You are amazing! Like I've heard others say where do you find the time in your crazy busy life to be a published and awesome writer and still have time for us weaklings? You must have a 48 hour day instead of a 24 hour day like the rest of us because i don't know how you do it. When i found you it was such inspiration to me to see someone so wise and smart! I greatly appreciate the time you take out of your busy day for me when I need help. You should know you have made a great difference in this site even if it hasn't yielded you the respect you deserve. So you already let us know we matter in each hub and blog post you write even if they aren't paying you. Don't ever forget how much you matter to us and please don't give up on this site. We need you! Happy New Years! Michele aka misslong123:-)

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      Nithya Venkat 2 years ago from Dubai

      An in detail report and a fair assessment of HP. I write here because of the friendly community of writers who take the time to read and comments. I enjoy reading your hubs and hope you keep writing here.

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      Maria Jordan 2 years ago from Jeffersonville PA

      I just watched Norma Rae the other day again on TV...I was feeling sassy and nostalgic.

      I think HP needs a Union, Mr Bill...let's call Sally Field and turn these pennies into quarters...LOL!

      Seriously, thanks for the A-....thanks for keeping it real......and may this new year bring you happiness, peace and continued purpose in your writing journey.

      Love to you and Bev, Maria

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      Mary Craig 2 years ago from New York

      Another year here at HP. I've been here three years too Bill and I am still a bit stumped at the "growth" of HP. All of the writers and dedication certainly deserve to have a staff with straight A's! Its no wonder Simone went on to better things. Now we need another Simone here to work with us.

      The contests were fun, financially rewarding, and educational. Why would HP stop them? Progress goes FORWARD not backward.

      Well dear friend, we stay here because of each other and the great friends and practice we get. Maybe someday HP will catch up!

      Voted up, useful, and interesting.

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      Mary Hyatt 2 years ago from Florida

      I haven't thought of Simone in a long time. Wonder where she went? She really was great; her and that big tacky black bow she wore on her head!

      I really have no complaints about HP. The biggest mistake I have made is when I deleted about 50 Hubs so I could rewrite them for Bubblews. Then I went through the long process of deleting them from Bubblews. I no longer want to be associated with them in any way.

      Voted this UP, etc. and shared.

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      Victoria Lynn 2 years ago from Arkansas, USA

      Interesting report card, Bill! I do think Paul Edmondson is helpful, but I really miss Simone. She was such a bright spot. I love your idea about HP hiring an hp writer, such as you!, to be a sort of PR person. You would be great!

      Despite any faults or complaints about the site, HP is a great place to be, for many of the reasons we've both mentioned in the past. Besides it being a place to build a portfolio, there is a bit of money to be made. I'm happy to be paid every month, some months better than others!

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Always insightful.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Jackie!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Rachael, I feel everything that you have written, and I totally agree with it all. I wish I could change things. Hell, I wish HP would just once respond to an article like this one. Show us some sign that they actually care about the writers.

      I wouldn't blame you at all if you left and concentrated on your blogs. Seems like the logical thing to do to me.

      Happy New Year my friend.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Doris, I think you are a valued member of our group; at least valued by those who have read your work. I would hate to see you leave, but I would understand it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Bill, that's because I've got the greatest followers on HP. I love their comments too. Thank you and Happy New Year.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      crochetkid, thank you for sharing your experience so far. Welcome to HP. The community is loving and supportive. I just wish I could say the same thing for management. Best wishes to you in the New Year!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mchele, that is so kind of you to say. I don't feel like I do anything special. I just give back the support that was freely given to me early on, and is still given daily. That's what a supportive community should do in my opinion.

      Happy New Year to you and no, they won't hire me...oh well.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Same for me, Vellur. If it were not for writers like you who support me, I would be long gone.

      Happy New Year!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Maria, we do need a union. Not that HP would recognize it, but it would make all of us feel better. Too bad there are so many writers here who feel unappreciated.

      Blessings to you dear friend, and Happy New Year to you and yours.

      love,

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, your last sentence says it all. I'm here for you, and you for me, and for now, that's enough for this old writer.

      Happy New Year and thank you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Mary, Simone is a partner in her own online business and seems happy. I see her on Facebook from time to time and it's always a pleasure. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and thanks for your support. Happy New Year!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Vickie, I love it here, but there is so much more they could do to help the struggling writer who actually needs the money. That's what I want to see...a responsive staff that actually seems to care. Oddly, I don't even know who Paul Edmondson is. LOL We've been here about the same amount of time, and I value your support and friendship.

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      Shiela Gerona 2 years ago from Philippines

      Happy new year. I learned a lot here. I wish that your suggestions will be reconsidered by HP. Good luck to HP community.

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      Venkatachari M 2 years ago from Hyderabad, India

      You have done a good job by giving the report card to hubpages. I do not the statistics here. But as you say, if they are getting one million bucks and with only 15 staff, it is too enough. They can give a proper share of the income to all the writers in that case and may be especially to senior writers and quality writers like you.

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      JThomp42 2 years ago

      Hello Bill, I totally agree with this hub wholeheartedly. Especially when it comes to the moderators. Their incompetence is off of the charts. One has to really wonder what they are doing. Because, they are definitely not doing their jobs. Great hub as usual Bill. Happy New years to you and yours.

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      Christina Lornemark 2 years ago from Sweden

      You have done a great report card and I am sorry to say that I agree on everything you write here. I started writing here for about four years ago and HP isn't the same any more, but I come back here now and then, just to read and see all the familiar faces and names of the many fantastic writers and friends that still are here. Many times I don't log in but I do read and press the buttons! I admire your patience and determination and I miss the times when HP was a living and exiting site and I really miss Simone. Is there a way to shake some life and activity to this site? I could contribute by being more active myself of course but I think it takes more than me. I love HP for the simplicity and for the fantastic community and friendship from fellow writers I get here. I also like to be paid for my work now and then:) Thank you Bill for the thoughtful article and I am so glad you are still here! Voted up, up, interesting and shared of course.

      Tina

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      Devika Primić 2 years ago from Dubrovnik, Croatia

      Valuable points made here and writing is a challenging game.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pinoy, we can only hope that someone at HP listens. Thank you for being here and Happy New Year.

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      Richard Bivins 2 years ago from Charleston, SC

      Fair grades indeed. This past year I've had 3 HOTD and a "Rising Star" and one of those HOTD had a typo embedded in the main picture which I didn't notice until after it was selected.

      I was once earning a couple thousand a month here and now I earn a tiny fraction of that. I only stick around because it is too hard to abandon a site that has given me so much in the past. I learned a lot here; not from the staff but from the members. This community of writers is like no other online and for that I am truly grateful. This account is fairly new but I've been a member here for 6 years. I've seen many great people come and go. My only suggestion for new(er) members is to stay out of the forums as much as possible and don't let Hubpages be your only outlet for your writing. HP is just a tiny microcosm of the opportunities available to all of us writers.

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      Liza Treadwell Esq aka Liza Lugo JD 2 years ago from New York, NY

      Well said, Richard-Bivins!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Jeff and Happy New Year to you and yours. It's nice to know I'm not alone in my observations about this site.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Tina, it's good to see you again, and thank you for taking the time to comment. I think our opinions are of value, if HP were smart enough to listen. Still, I love the community, so I will remain.

      Happy New Year to you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you DDE. I always appreciate you visiting.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Richard, a great comment and I thank you. I, too, have seen my earnings fall down the toilet. I'm not bitter about that at all, because, like you suggested, I have other money-making outlets and I really don't need the HP income. Still, I think they are missing opportunities here and I feel for those who really need the income. Anyway, thank you for a very intelligent comment.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks Doc...I agree.

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      Patricia Scott 2 years ago from sunny Florida

      Your comment about HOTD was well taken

      As you know I feel HubPages is filled with lovelies who sincerely care about one another.

      Your candor is so appreciated too, Bill.

      Hoping that you and your loved ones are having a wonderful first day of this new year.

      Angels are winging their way to you bringing blessings and hugs. ps

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      Faith Reaper 2 years ago from southern USA

      Happy New Year, Bill! And happy third anniversary too. Yes, we have to take the good with the bad, and this is a wonderful community in which to belong, despite all else.

      Blessings, peace, hugs and love in this new year and always

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      PS, thank you for spending part of your New Years Day with me. Blessings are winging their way to you as I write this.

      Happy New Year and hugs back atcha

      bill

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Ahh, yes, Faith, the good with the bad. Well my friend, you are certainly part of that good.

      Happy New Year and blessings to you during 2015.

      bill

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      Christy Kirwan 2 years ago from San Francisco

      Always good to hear honest feedback from long-time Hubbers, Bill. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts.

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      John Hansen 2 years ago from Queensland Australia

      Wow, great to see a comment from HP staff here. Thank you Christy.

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      Sally Gulbrandsen 2 years ago from Norfolk

      I agree, how nice, what a great start to the new year.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Christy! I appreciate hearing from you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      John, I agree, but if I had to guess which of the staff I would hear from, it would have been Christy!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you, Sally, and a very Happy New Year to you.

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      Bill De Giulio 2 years ago from Massachusetts

      Hi Bill. Congratulations on three years here at HP. I am coming up on my three year anniversary in early February. I think your grades are pretty accurate and fair. While I love the HP community there are certainly areas where they can improve. I think to keep writers here long term they need to find a way to make this more financially rewarding. While I don't rely on or need the income from this site I know that there are many writers who do and they are the ones they need to keep here. For me the rewards come not from the money but the members and the writing experience I gain here.

      A Happy New Year to you Bill.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Bill. I feel bad for those who do need this money. I know my earnings imploded a couple months ago, and thank God I didn't need that income. Those who do need it are in trouble here at HP.

      Happy New Year, my friend.

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      G Ivanova 2 years ago

      Bill, this is a very honest assessment and thank you for that. I do agree with you on all aspects, especially with what you stated about the community. Happy New Year and congrats on three years!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you G Ivanova, and Happy New Year to you!

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      Graham Lee 2 years ago from Lancashire. England.

      Hi Bill. Well said as usual. A very good analysis. As has been said already Bill you have made a great difference to this site and you are applauded by so many. Carry on showing the way.

      Graham.

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      breakfastpop 2 years ago

      I may be insane, but I commented on this hub a day or so ago and when I finished, your hub disappeared along with my comment. I thought that HP was imitating the NSA! I agree with every single thing you said. However, despite its flaws it is the community of writers that I adore. Up and awesome!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Graham. I love this community, and if I add to it in any way then I am grateful.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Pop, I don't know what happens at times here, but I've had that happen to me more than once. Oh well, you are here now, and I appreciate it...and I do love this site. I just wish the management loved it for the same reasons.

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      Dora Isaac Weithers 2 years ago from The Caribbean

      I'm late, but I have to add my "Well Done" to you, Bill. Don't know as much as you about HP, but from the little I know, seems like the grades match the performance. You deserve some recognition from HP for your observations.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Dora. I'm just trying to speak up for the little guy here. I have nothing to lose by doing so, so why not?

      Have a marvelous weekend!

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      Diane Knaus 2 years ago from Anne Arundel County, Maryland

      If these people are not doing their jobs, maybe they are not really working here at all. I have never seen a company that kept referring to old works stay in business. All of you members are right points go down when you post a new Hub? Reason, no one is watching what is really happening. My take, I think I'll leave like the rest of those who lave left. Why is it worth my time, well, it isn't that is the bottom line.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      dianeknaus, thanks for your observations. I'm sorry that you are leaving but I certainly understand. We have to spend out time where it will benefit us the most, and I understand your decision.

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      Deborah Morrison 2 years ago from Hamilton, Ontario, Canada

      Billy, thanks for the detailed analysis of HP. I have been posting articles on HP for under one year, so I do not have your extensive experience as of yet. The information that you've provided is appreciated. Personally I like the great community of writers, and the platform that HP offers to post articles! Perhaps HP can work on their weaknesses to take the service they offer to the next level. Once again, many thanks.

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      Timothy Yohe 2 years ago from St. Louis

      Wow....thank you all for sharing those great comments. I am a newer hubber, having written here for 6 months. I try really hard to produce top notch articles that fill in all the criteria and I use their templates. I haven't yet written 10 hubs, so I have been waiting to apply for Adsense. I'm not really sure this is worth my time with Level 4, 5, and 6 Commentators totally agreeing with Billy.

      This is a great writer community, and because it is, I plan to stay on the course. I also agree that editing here is nonexistent because I find all sorts of improper usage. Drives me crazy, especially when it's a HOTD. I guess we can hope the HP team actually lends an ear to its bread and butter.

      Congratulations on a well-written article and your three year anniversary!

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      Anna Haven 2 years ago from Scotland

      Your input would work well for them in every sense. Although unfortunately I am sure that that will be a non-starter.

      You spoke a lot of truth here and judging by the comments your thoughts are shared by many.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Deborah...this is a great community. I have many, many friends here. I just want to see them treated with some respect and appreciation. :) I appreciate your thoughts and Happy New Year to you.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you yohewriter. You won't find a better online community of writers for support...sadly, the management doesn't appreciate what they have. Hopefully it will change. In the meantime, have a great weekend.

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      Audrey Hunt 2 years ago from Nashville Tn.

      Well, this old horse is going on year 7 and this is why I stay:

      1. Writing has opened the door to the Audrey Hunt I never knew.

      2. Boy, am I learning a lot about stuff and loving it!

      3. HP and Bill Holland are the best writing teachers and I've so much to learn.

      4. I love this community and my supportive friends.

      You've given a repot card that, sadly, many agree with. I'd settle for a simple pat-on-the-back and an ample raise from HP.

      Love,

      Audrey

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      Michael-Milec 2 years ago

      Dear Mr. William D. Holland, Sir.

      Voting across, but “funny” which in this case I would like to replace by “businesslike.’

      Can't afford to say nothing more.

      Last night I posted a comment which has vanished immediately, to my surprise finding resting place in a purgatory.

      Hope this-one will be approved.

      Blessings my friend and good night.

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      Jeannie InABottle 2 years ago from Baltimore, MD

      I had actually forgotten about the contests HubPages used to have... it has been so long! I wish they would bring them back. It used to encourage more participation. I also miss Simone, too. Ah, HubPages... the good old days! We've been here a while now, haven't we?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Anna, this will go nowhere, but it still needs to be said. Thank you as always and have a wonderful Sunday.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Audrey, a pat on the back would be lovely, and you deserve one for seven years. I know I'm very happy you have stayed here. Thank you for your friendship.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Michael my friend, it is here and I am appreciative. Purgatory will not be visited tonight. :)

      Blessings my friend, thank you, and enjoy your Sunday.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jeannie, I have no idea why they did away with the contests, but I found them to be fun and stimulating. Oh well, what do I know?

      Thank you!

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      BrandyMD 2 years ago

      I must say thank you for sharing. I'm rather new to writing and have only used HubPages for a short time while also, briefly, trying out other sites every once in a while only to fail at finding anything better or even decent.

      I didn't know HubPages had this many problems and I'm glad you could point it out for those of us who are on the site less frequently and consequently left in the dark .

      I also wonder if you have any suggestions for other writing sites that are good to use since you seem to pay so much attention to the depth of the websites?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Brandy, thank you for stopping by and leaving a comment. It helps me to get to know other writers when they take the time to comment. As for other sites, I hear Wizzly is a real possibility. Those who have tried it seem to like it.

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      Nadine May 2 years ago from Cape Town, Western Cape, South Africa

      Billy I'm so glad that you wrote this HP report card. I learned a great deal from reading the various points you addressed, and from reading all the comments.

      I feel that YOU should be on the Hubpages payroll!

      I've only been here for sixteen months with just sixty eight posts, but I like the scope we do have for editing older posts. I need to do some re-editing of my chapters about the Self Employed Housewife saga, finish it and make it into an ebook, but keep the chapters on Hubpages.

      My reasons for writing lesser posts a month is due to lack of time. So many things have changed for us. 2014 was the worst year financially, so I needed to find other ways to add to our monthly income. I would love to earn a passive livable income on the internet, and I see this year as a foundation year for that to become a reality, but that means a great deal of research and time to find the best way to achieve this.

      For me Hubpages is becoming more a marketing tool by linking or promoting all my other internet earning activities, so I will have to explore more creative ways to use this platform to the best of my ability, and at the same time write about thought provoking ideas.

      Like Catherine I like writing articles for hub pages because I want to share my thoughts and ideas, knowing I will get comments in return. So they have been read. In the past I wrote many articles for my older websites but never really knew if anyone read them. I also learned a great deal about article writing ‘format wise’. I love the HP model.

      It is debatable if I would ever see any money on my PayPal account from hub pages. Maybe after two years? What has happened for me is that my own book sales through Amazon have improved. I cannot use EBay as an earning avenue due to me living in SA. I tried, but all that happened was that I lost dollars from my PayPal account for reposting my five books!

      When I discovered Bubblews and earned $100.- within the first four months, I realized how little HP pays, especially if you consider that the articles here are of a far higher standard and have a larger word count, not to mention the images and links to make any post a joy to read. Lately those earnings have drastically lowered, and I will see during the next few months if it will improve again before making a decision to leave Bubblews.

      I do not know any of the HP staff members or if some even write their own articles?

      Billy I wish that the owners of Hub pages would realize that it’s YOU that keep many of us loyal to Hub pages, therefore they should PAY YOU a monthly retainer!

      That is how I feel. Sorry for me long-winded comment.

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      Jo_Goldsmith11 2 years ago

      Hello Bill,

      Happy New Year! I can always be assured to read honesty when I come for a visit. I finally reached enough for my first payout in December!

      Yet, I haven't received it yet. (as of this writing). I know HP has it's moments. And I agree that the writers aren't paid what they are worth.

      However you want to look at it. Your report card was right on the money!

      Shared and voted across the board!

      blessings always

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      Jo Alexis-Hagues 2 years ago from Bedfordshire, U.K

      HP could definitely do better. I no longer give credence to HP hub scores, when ever I publish a poem I know in advance that my score will take a massive dive, even though the poem gets good scores eventually. As for financial rewards, I don't believe there are many writers here for the money. Every time I decide to pack up my hubs and head for greener pastures, I find myself hesitating, and the reason is generous supportive writers like yourself. I would most definitely cast my vote to see you as a member of the HP staff, but I don't think this teacher will be getting an apple.

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      Victor W. Kwok 2 years ago from Hawaii

      Realistically, I'd say I'm never going to see a check before a decade has passed. But Hubpages does give me a place where I can keep writing my stories very easily.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Nadine, you can be as short-winded or long-winded as you want to be. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts here.

      I hear Bubblews is in trouble. I hope you don't experience any of that nonsense.

      I'm here because it is a good platform and I love the community of writers. I have nothing but disappointment about the HP staff and management. They are unresponsive and simply do not seem to care about the writers as human beings.

      But I will remain here, and it's because of you and many others.

      Again, thank you!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Jo, I think that apple will rot before it hits my desk. :) All I know is I'm very happy you and others are here. You all mean the world to me, and i mean that in all honesty. Thank you for your friendship.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      vkwok, there is no chance for writers of short stories and poems. That's just the reality of HP, but it is a good platform for writers like you and I and for that I am grateful. Thanks for your thoughts.

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      Dianna Mendez 2 years ago

      Your pontification is right on target! If the site reads this report card, they can see there is room for improvement. A parent would tell them -- you can always get better!

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      Stephanie Launiu 2 years ago from Hawai'i

      Happy New Year Billybuc! I haven't written a new hub in a while, but hey, it's a new year. I still pop in now and then and always look you up. Your assessment of Hubpages is right on. Why not give a little extra reward to the loyal writers (like you) who keep pumping out hubs and are keeping them in business? I was surprised several months ago when I got a BIG bump in one of my hubs that had languished for a year. Someone picked it up and shared it around on social media and I got 100K views in a little over a month. I think I made a couple hundred bucks from Hubpages. I was thrilled with the peanuts. It's that dumb rush of adrenaline when I check to see how many pennies I made the day before. But I DO plan to rework my older hubs and add new ones. I'm glad there are writers like you to turn to on Hubpages. Happy New Year and Aloha, Stephanie

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Dianna, I love your attitude...we can all always get better, including HP. Thanks my friend.

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      Colin Garrow 2 years ago from Kinneff, Scotland

      Great article as always, Billy - maybe HP will get around to issuing report cards to all of us, then you can hand out gold stars to the staff members that implement the most useful suggestions. (Or not, as the case may be...)

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      FlourishAnyway 2 years ago from USA

      You should definitely highlight your grades in a table. You're a tough grader in some areas!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Stephanie, welcome back and aloha! Good for you with all those views. Now to figure out how it happened and do it again. :) If you figure that out I want to hear from you.

      Happy New Year my friend. Don't be such a stranger.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      FatBoyThin, or not, as the case may be. LOL I won't hold my breath for that to happen, but it's a nice thought. Thanks for the visit and chuckle.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thanks, Flourish! Tough but fair, I hope. :)

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      liamhubpages 2 years ago

      I'd love to get some pointers on how to flourish on HUbpages, I would truly appreciate any advice you can offer. Thanks!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      liamhubpages, I sent you a note, but the only way I know is to start following others and commenting....and offer some good writing along the way. Thanks and best wishes to you.

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      manatita44 2 years ago from london

      I believe you wrote an article like this before, Bill, and I said something about you being a brave man.

      Very necessary article and good to have you there, keeping an eye on things for us. Sorry I don't know much about grading, but I'm sure that you have things in the correct perspective. Excellent Hub!

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Manatita, all I can do is share my thoughts from my perspective. I love hearing other perspectives as well.

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      beta5909 2 years ago

      You are too good. I hope HP sees that.

      What a courageous and loving post. You, obviously, put yourself out there because you care. How lucky HP is to have someone who is not a yes person and tells it like they see it.

      HP needs to read this and take action because their survival depends on it.

      For fence sitters and newbies looking and evaluating revenue sharing sites , this type of information can help one to make a decision if this should be a long term revenue share home.

      One thing I do know for sure, is that I'll be following you and other writers with your degree of passion and loyalty. I would hope HP would want new writers to benefit from your knowledge and remain with HP.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      beta, one of the advantages of being around for a few years, and garnering a few awards, is being able to speak out a bit and have people pay attention to you. Now if only HP would act like they heard me. :) Thank you for your kind words.

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      Deb Hirt 2 years ago from Stillwater, OK

      You are so right, Billy, there is very little support from THIS content mill. They pay a lot lower than the ones that you despise, don't they. What I have learned here, I learned from others, but mostly you. I am now looking at my SECOND column, and THAT is something to write home about! So thanks, Billy, for your faith and encouragement. You lead me on, and I will always remember you. If there is anything that I can ever do to help you, don't ever hesitate. You know where to find me.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Deb, that is mighty sweet of you, and I thank you. I believe in networking and supporting each other, so maybe one day I will reach out to you.

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      Donna Brown 2 years ago from Alton, Missouri

      Great assessment, Bill! You certainly did your research and wrote a well thought out piece. I give you an A+!

      By the way, did you fill out the recent survey that hubpages sent?

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Donna, I did fill that out, and it felt like a lesson in futility. :)

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      Donna Brown 2 years ago from Alton, Missouri

      I would hope that they actually learn something from our input.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      We can always hope, Donna! :) Thank you!

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      Keisha Hunter 2 years ago from Paradise and then some

      Well SOMEONE needed to put it in writing! Great hub.

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      Bill Holland 2 years ago from Olympia, WA

      Thank you Keisha! I appreciate it.

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