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What To Do With Amazon Earning Hub? Move Them to Wizzley

Updated on November 27, 2011

Hubpages Is Changing The Rules - Again

Unless you are living under a rock - or don't really care about earning money on hubpages - you should be aware that come 1 January 2012 HubPages will not allow you to use your own Amazon affiliate link.

Instead Amazon earnings are set to roll into the HPAds program.

I have one account which is all about making money from Amazon on Hubpages. I'm removing it and moving it to Wizzley - here's why.

Why Using My Own Affiliate ID for Amazon is Important

Now I am far from an Amazon affiliate marketing star - but I certainly make a $100 payout from Amazon most months. I suspect some of you are in the same boat.

As of today (the 26th of the month) - I am earning 6.5% on all sales (except for electronics which only pays out $25 capped). Most months I make the 6.5% (31 to 100 items shipped) tier, and really no one but a beginner should be stuck on 4% (1-6 items shipped) - just give your link to your friends and tell them to go shopping!

There are three main reasons that making money from, and being paid by Amazon, is important for me, and I think you to:

  • All of my Amazon sales combined over all my sites plus my percentage on Hubpages are summed to create my tier commission;
  • Its a simple and transparent system which does not involve being paid by a third party (Hubpages) who then has access to all my sales data and through whom my income flows.
  • I get paid by check not via Paypal;

Amazon Tier Commissions

In the forums Hubpages management has made a big deal about being able to offer a higher (I assume 8.5%) percentage commission, to hubber compared to 4%. Well I do not make ALL my Amazon sales from HubPages - I have several of my own sites which also make Amazon sales.

So although in theory my sales ratio will go from 6.5% (which it is most months) to 8.5% - it will knock some of my actual sales down a tier from my own sites.

HubPages is a No Longer a Transparent Revenue System

One of the reasons I not only joined Hubpages three years ago, but also signed up many others to HubPages - was because I thought their revenue model was very clear and transparent. Hubpages didn't take your money and redistribute it (as Squidoo does) - instead they shared the clicks on your Adsense/eBay/Amazon modules - and for Amazon you got every sale that click generated.

Unfortunately this is now not the case. Amazon holds my money for 60 days, to allow for returns. I sleep well at night knowing that - because I don't expect Amazon to go anywhere, or file for bankruptcy. Google (the owners of Adsense) - ditto.

Hubpages hmm - a small privately held company that I have no idea how close, or otherwise, they are to the edge. After the behavour of the staff in the forums since the first Panda update - I don't trust Hubpages with my money anymore.

At the time of writing its unclear whether you will still be paid under the usual Amazon system:

Paid for not just the item the buyer clicked through on, but also credited with anything else they bought on Amazon in the next 24 hours.

This is the single most powerful thing about the Amazon affiliate system. I regularly get commissions on cookware - but I don't promote cookware. I've had commission on items that I didn't know existed, and items that I didn't know Amazon sold.

My strong suspicion - because of the silence by management on this topic - is that going forward - you will only be paid on what you sell directly from a hub - I bet HubPages will get the "unrelated sales" - you read it here first!

Sales Data is Gold

The other issue I have is that once HubPages is the intermediatory between writers and Amazon - they have all the access to your sales data, and you have very little. Ask any experienced and successful marketer what their key to success is: sales data.

Paypal is Not a Bank!

Paypal is a necessary evil in this line of work. Most of the major affiliate I work with pay me via Paypal - I have several thousand dollars worth of income run through Paypal each month.

An they make a lot of money from me. Because I live in New Zealand they will ONLY let me with withdrawal money to a NZ$ account in NZ. I can't withdraw money to a local US$ account - why not? Because Paypal makes an awful lot of money from exchange rate fees - which are appalling.

Yes I could leave my money in my Paypal account in US$ - and I leave some for expenses I have in my business most of which are in US$ too.

But I don't leave anything more than a few hundred float in Paypal - because there are far too many stories about people loosing access to their Paypal accounts for some perceived problem. Some of those people never get their accounts back, others loose access to their accounts for months.

Paypal is not a bank and is not subject to consumer protection laws such as the NZ Banking Ombudsman.

So leaving money in Paypal is foolhardy as well.

Amazon pays my by check (as I'm not in the US) - I can have the check sent at anytime - because I can put a hold on my account and let the money accumulate with them for a few months if I want to.

I can also hold the check without cashing it for several months at my end - so I can choose to exchange when the rate is in my favour.

Moving My Hubs to Wizzley

I wanted to move my hubs. The question was where to? The obvious answers in terms of sites which appeared well run and to have some longevity were:

  • Squidoo
  • InfoBarrel

I've used both of them, Squidoo I discounted because they also don't have a clear revenue sharing model. InfoBarrel I've used for a while - but their conversions are very poor and they don't have a good Amazon module.

Then I heard about a new kid on the block: Wizzley - only opened up to the public mid-2011 - and developed post Panda - i.e. after Google slapped some sites it suspected were content farms such as HubPages.

Moving my hubs to Wizzley is not ideal.

Some of my hubs really should be on their own sites - they make good money - but I don't have time to do everything I want to do before the end of the year plus set up a number of niche sites.

Wizzley is a nice alternative. If it works out - I will build niche sites and use Wizzley for backlinks (and revenue).

Wizzley basically provides me all that I've lost at HubPages:

  • use of my own Amazon ID;
  • instant indexing of articles (my first article was indexed with an hour of approval);
  • allowed to use "prohibited links" to affiliate sites that HubPages no longer allows (but did when I created the hubs);
  • nice friendly management, who also exercise editorial control, so the site is not flooded with rubbish.

Click here if you want to check out Wizzley

Please note that you Wizzley does NOT accept duplicate content - so you will need to unpublish your hubs and wait for them to be deindexed before you can move them to Wizzley


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    • tussin profile image

      I'M BANNED Y'ALL!!!!!!!!!! 

      8 years ago from Behind You

      Move them to Infobarrel. They added and Amazon capsule so you can make sales articles that really perform. I just wrote a hub on their new payment system, no Adsense account required.

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      8 years ago from Louisiana

      Thanks for the information. I learned a lot that I can use in other programs.

    • StephSev108 profile image

      Stephanie Marie Severson 

      8 years ago from Atlanta, GA

      I've learned a lot on this Hub. Thanks for the info. I will keep following your hubs.

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      Pamela Oglesby 

      8 years ago from Sunny Florida

      I learned several things from this hub and I appreciate the information.I didn't know about Amazon. I have written on different sites, but I haven't tried Wizzley. Right not I am doing more freelance writing as I know what it pays and you don't have to post picture, videos, etc. I am also just finishing my first book. Thanks for an excellent hub.

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      Jean Bakula 

      8 years ago from New Jersey

      I have written several pieces for Wizzley, and I do like it. But I believe the genre you write in matters. I write about Metaphysical topics, and they don't seem to interest anyone there. I was up to 9 pieces, and put them back on HP, where they did much better. I went back to Wizzley and have 10 pieces there again, but about other subjects. So I don't like going against my brand, it's only to direct people to my blog and body of work on HP.

    • Isabellas profile image


      8 years ago from Ohio

      Not to mention Brettb, that I noticed when I get a withdrawal or deposit to my account Hubpages has a withholding of close to 20% of the money. Now I do not know if we get that money later on or credited for it, but they seem to be keeping roughly 20% of our money as a "withheld".

    • brettb profile image


      8 years ago from London

      I've lost all confidence in HubPages now. I've had to change so many Hubs because of rules changes that I'm really fed up.

      So I've decided to punish HubPages by moving my Hubs to my own sites. Starting with the best Hubs! I've calculated it will cost them over $5000 in lost revenue. That's a lot of trendy furniture for their offices. Moving them doesn't take long, and it will boost some of my lesser sites significantly.

      Oh, I didn't know about the Amazon change either. So I guess this place has been stealing my Amazon earnings for months. Fair enough, I 'll move my Amazon hubs as well!

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      8 years ago

      I think i'll be throwing a couple articles up on there to see how they do by comparison to hubpages. i'd love to know how your results turn out as well.

    • emilybee profile image


      8 years ago

      I just found this hub of yours and found it interesting. So interesting in fact that I just Googled Make Money on Wizzley, out of curiosity. The first article I came to was a Wizzley article written by you! Seriously considering joining that site. Thanks for the great articles.

    • jGaunt profile image


      9 years ago from London

      I created an account through your link. IMHO Hubpages have left a big gap in the market by moving to subdomains. Hopefully Wizzley will fill it. Will drop a few good articles across a couple of niches and see how it goes.


      My content on Squidoo has been doing well, but I don't trust them.

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      9 years ago from Ohio

      Thank you for the information! I think I will be going to the new site as well! I was under a rock and did not realize the owners of HP were getting greedy. That would explain why I have such a sharp drop off, heck the Panda update, even with unique content, killed my traffic on here. I went from getting close to 150-200 views a day combined (not keyword targeted because I just wrote what I wanted then) to about 15-20 views a day now. Even with the proper keyword targeting now I am not improving in my views or even getting indexed on hubpages anymore. Kind of sad hub used to be a great place to write, but now it seems more like a waste of time than anything else. That and they have suspended so many of my hubs I cannot believe it! Thank you Lissie for the information!

    • Lissie profile imageAUTHOR

      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 

      9 years ago from New Zealand

      about 24 hours if you tell google to not index it via webmaster tools!

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      9 years ago

      Lissie - thanks for the useful info. - I think there were lots of us under that rock ! How long does it take for an 'unpublished' hub to disappear from Google?

    • Lissie profile imageAUTHOR

      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 

      9 years ago from New Zealand

      @paxwill - nice analysis - but you missed the big point 100% of zero is still zero. This month I will make more on Wizzley than hubpages with Amazon - even with a lower percentage. But I agree your own sites is where its at long-term.

      @Dorsi - the sky's the limit if you decide to get serious. Really.

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      Dorsi Diaz 

      9 years ago from The San Francisco Bay Area

      Thanks Lissie for the always level headed and honest opinions you give. I've decided to hunker down this year and really work on making more money, learning the technical side of the net, and learning as much as I can. Although I'm making a few hundred a month on my writing (which I am very grateful for). I realize I can do much better and really need to apply myself this year to that goal. Thanks again for the great hub with your no nonsense opinions. I've always loved that about you!

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      Aunice Yvonne Reed 

      9 years ago from Southern California

      Thanks! Great read and good info. I haven't done much on Hubpages, just starting to get going. I'll go check out Wizzley as well.

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      Pamela Oglesby 

      9 years ago from Sunny Florida

      Thanks for this information as I had no idea that things were changing again. I left Hubpages for a while and just publish here occasionally but I'm going to check out Wizzley.

    • Lissie profile imageAUTHOR

      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 

      9 years ago from New Zealand

      @Luis - you can't see earnings on Wizzley- you need to look directly with the affiliates you are earning with Adsense, Amazon etc

      @misty - good point I'd forgotten to add it, it worked like a charm for me inside about 24 hours!

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      Cindy Lawson 

      9 years ago from Guernsey (Channel Islands)

      Excellent and informative article Lissie. I too have a few Hubs on Wizzley, and will no doubt be using them more as I like the 'similar to HP' way of producing an article.

      I would like to remind people looking for a rapid way to deindex former (now unpublished) articles from Google before republishing them elsewhere, that using the Google URL removal tool will achieve this within about 24 hours. The link is:

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      Luis E Gonzalez 

      9 years ago from Miami, Florida

      Good idea. I just recently started writing for Wizzley. Although I do not really like their moderators much, it seems that they are intent on screening out bad writing.

      The only thing that I am confused with is where on their site is one able to see earnings.

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      Marc Hubs 

      9 years ago from United Kingdom

      Thanks for that, good to know.

    • Lissie profile imageAUTHOR

      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 

      9 years ago from New Zealand

      @sparkster you must have mis-understood there are heaps of UK based Amazon affiliates using the US program. The only diff is that they will send you US$ checks rather than direct credit payments

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      Paula Atwell 

      9 years ago from Cleveland, OH

      This is a great explanation of your opinion, Lissie. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

      As one of the people who has been on Wizzley from the beginning, I believe that it is a good place to earn income after Panda. Especially if you do not want to start your own site for your articles. I am getting regular adsense, and amazon income from Wizzley now at the end of the year.

      You can add third party links to Wizzley articles, but not anything they have a module for like Amazon, or Zazzle.

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      9 years ago

      That comes as a surprise as it was Amazon US who told me that. If I can successfully claim my earnings from Amazon US then i may think about


    • Lissie profile imageAUTHOR

      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 

      9 years ago from New Zealand

      @Greekgreek - I have no idea - I'll get back you on that one!

      @sparkstar - who the hell told you that??? I don't live in the US either and I am an amazon affiliate for com, uk, de, fr and es - don't live in any of them. Your country of residence is irrelevant - sign up!

      Yes you will lose people - but tell them where to find you (which is what this hub is!) and some will follow - I have friends that have followed me thru 5 or 6 sites.

      @paoloumali - you Amazon affiliate ID will show 60% of the the time, there's will show 40% - that's why its called revshare!

    • paoloumali profile image


      9 years ago from Philippines

      You got good points here. I was wondering earlier why I still get HubPages's Id in Amazon ads although I just added my own Amazon ID. I was looking for HTML text widget but HubPages have none.

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      Marc Hubs 

      9 years ago from United Kingdom

      Thanks for some great info, I am in a bit of a pickle myself. HP only support Amazon US and I am a UK resident so I can't claim any earnings from them. The only source of revenue I have from my hubs is Adsense. I would like to utilize Amazon UK but this is not possible on HP.

      I have good readers here and have started developing a bit of a following so moving my content to another site would probably cost me a few people.

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      9 years ago from California

      I think Wizzley is a very good option, but there is one other thing to consider. There are TWO ways to get Amazon income on Squidoo, and one of them allows you too keep ALL the money from EVERY Amazon sale you make. The question I have is whether you can do the same on Wizzley. Let me explain.

      Option 1) Use Site's Built-In Modules

      Beginning Squidoo users employ Squidoo's built-in Squidoo modules. In this case, the associates ID is Squidoo's, so the sale is credited to Squidoo; then Squidoo pays you half (usually 4.25%). This is a great approach for those in states where Amazon's program has shut down, as it uses Squidoo's ID not theirs. Note that Squidoo's detailed Stats for each article lists what sold, the commission,and what links were clicked on, so you can get some detailed marketing info.

      The advantage here is that the module displays the up-to-date price, which helps establish trust.

      Option 2) Embed Your Own Affiliate Links

      Experienced Squidoo members usually sign up for an Amazon Associates account and enter their OWN links on Squidoo, since the text modules allow some HTML. (It lets you do the "Image Only" and/or "Text Only" Amazon links, but not Amazon widgets which use fancy scripts). In this case, the disadvantage is that you can't display an updated price, but you DO get every bit of commission for each sale, and of course it counts towards your volume rate each month. I pulled in $150+ this month from Amazon Associates sales through links on Squidoo, and I haven't been doing it that long. Since Squidoo gets good traffic and is a little more forgiving of letting you use your own affiliate links, you can make affiliate income on Squidoo, then get the tier/ad payouts as a bonus.

      Wizzley's built-in Amazon modules credit the sales to you 50-60% of the time. That's good, but I'm greedy -- I like to keep ALL my sales! So, the question is, does Wizzley's Text module allow you to embed your own Amazon Associate links via HTML and keep all your sales, as I'm doing on Squidoo? I keep meaning to check, because I really like the folks who have set up Wizzley, and I heartily approve of a third alternative.

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      Steve Mitchell 

      9 years ago from Cambridgeshire

      Thanks for your brilliant article. Rarely do you find totally honest, shoot from the hip advice. You provide a no flannel approach and I like that.

      Vote up/awesome

    • Lissie profile imageAUTHOR

      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 

      9 years ago from New Zealand

      Or for those of you who are not familiar with mgmt speak- Hubpages is preparing itself to be sold to new investors or to go public with a float. Yes I you wouldn't colour me surprised if it happened in the next 6 months either Jim

    • slimjim270 profile image


      9 years ago


      Thanks for the Hub.

      I too wasn't aware of the Amazon change on the horizon.

      I have set up tracking on Amazon under Mgmt Tools, so that I can track page views, sales per site, and also which accessory items are selling from which site.

      Consolidating the affiliate program under HubPages management control is a "risk management" tactic. A company typically assesses their risk when they are being re-capitalized, seeking a new banking relationship, or are considering acquisitions.

      Mark my words - 12/21/2011 - Given the level of risk management tactics taken recently on the site and their aggressive payment model shift to gain detailed sales data and reduce their risk of the "Google yank"... HubPages is in PLAY!

      Announcement date - I predict a "good news" (Big Announcement) within 6 months likely by July 1, 2012.

      I like HubPages and the community, but am concerned when a platform makes aggressive changes which reduce a customer's (author's) ability to manage their business.

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      9 years ago

      Thank you Lissey and see you on Wizzley.

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      Joel Durant 

      9 years ago from Canada

      The reason why I started on HubPages recently was because of the transparency of earnings. If the earnings system really does start to have a lot of unanswered questions, then I would leave.

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      9 years ago from California

      Wow, I write long comments. Thanks for the reply, and good for you for the unselfish link to someone else.

      I need to get my butt in gear on Wizzley. I don't mind some adsense, I'm just paranoid about too many adds pushing content off the first screen. But I know a lot of good folks doing well there, people I trust who say they are getting traffic and conversions, and I feel safe recommending people try it even though I haven't gotten another "pot" on that burner yet.

      I don't know. I can't believe HP is going to go under because of this. They will continue to adjust and tweak in ways that maximize their income, if not ours. And they'll get a nice buzz when their CEO speaks at SMX. (Ironically, he'll be talking about how to make your site win when Google bites you... a rosy "success story"!)

      If enough people take down or move their Amazon-sales Hubs, enough to cause a dent in HP's bottom line, it will make more adjustments.

    • Lissie profile imageAUTHOR

      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 

      9 years ago from New Zealand

      Thanks GeekGeek for your helpful comment! One thing I really LIKE about Wizzley is that you can turn off Adsense and still use Amazon (something you can't do with HP) - here's an example (not mine BTW) - it means you have lots of options above the fold -and I tend to agree with you re the ads above - but obviously G is happy.

      I agree HP is useful for content that doesn't convert - but how long will that business model work for?

      And yes a human reviews new contributers articles - such a shame HP has never done that!

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      9 years ago from California

      Having started as an Amazon Associate in January and missed the third quarter entirely due to the California program hiatus, I'm at 50-60 sales a month and ~$80 on Amazon Associates. All my sales come from Associates links I've put on Squidoo pages. Instead of sharing my revenue with Squidoo, I keep ALL my commissions, because I embed my own links instead of using their built-in revenue systems. I am trying to push my way up to the 7% commission rate by the new year, and Hubpages' policy change definitely won't help that goal!

      I've had Amazon capsules on Hubpages, but they never made sales. I've removed most of them in light of HP's policy changes. It's better to save your bullets, so to speak, for a site where you can maximize earnings potential. HP's promise of a high commission rate is all well and good, but as you say, their fuzzy, amorphous language gives them a lot of opaque leeway in deciding what they feel like paying. Even before this change, I wasn't all that keen on HP's 40-60 split. It felt less than transparent to me... as far as I could see, there was no record of the 40% of sales HP took, so I wouldn't know what those items were or how much they earned.

      That's the main reason I haven't gotten going on Wizzley yet: I'm getting greedy about sharing. But I know and respect the people who set up Wizzley. They were experienced, professional Squids and Hubbers pooling their knowledge of what worked best on those sites, and then tweaking a site to their liking to make up for some of HP's and Squidoo's flaws. They implement quality standards, which bodes well for Wizzley's prospects in a post-panda world.

      One thing about Wizzley has turned me off (besides too many friends link spamming me with referral links a year ago during the glow of site opening) -- a very inefficient use of "above the fold" space, and one too many lines of Google Adsense. I'm surprised the last Google adjustment didn't clobber them for that. Is there any way to adjust the "above the fold" layout to have less Adsense, more content before the reader has to scroll?

      Hubpages pays for impressions, which most sites do not. That's what it has going for it now. That makes HP useful in one way: one can move content here that tends to get lots of visitors and no conversions.

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      Hello, hello, 

      9 years ago

      Thank you, Lissie, for your comment.

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      9 years ago from Northern California Coast

      Glad you addressed this. Like you, I was pleased with HP's former transparency. I fully agree with you about the value of sales data. In addition, it appears HP will hold funds from Amazon sales for an additional month.

      The new TOS spells out that HP can use any formula it chooses for Amazon earnings. There's also a statement in HP's info on the new Amazon program that it can change the terms at any time.

      I notice many people on the forums referring to the 8.5 percent payout as if it's a sure thing. It's not. And there's no recourse when HP changes the terms without notice. I hope everyone gives all of this serious thought.

      The new HP TOS regarding Amazon isn't a business agreement I'd accept anywhere. Good luck with your new ventures.

    • Lissie profile imageAUTHOR

      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 

      9 years ago from New Zealand

      Hello, I'm not expert on Amazon - learning myself - that's why I referenced the Make Money with Amazon book above - its written by someone whose made a lot of money with it

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      Hello, hello, 

      9 years ago from London, UK

      Thank you so much for still trying to help you fellow hubbers in spite of being so fed-up with HP. I certainly will go over there and have a look around because I couldn't handle Squiddo and Infobarrel I liked but they didn't like me. At first they said I have grammar mistakes and when I said that I used their grammar check they sid my writing does not flow................... Yes, that is what I thought. Now I signed up on Amazon Affiliate but need experts help how to go about to get somewhere. Would you tell me or write a hub about it? Please. BOOKMARKED!

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      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 

      9 years ago from New Zealand

      @Marisa, at the moment this account still makes me money, and some of the hubs I don't own so they have to stay. Which is not to say I can't go after the same kws elsewhere :-) I am seriously pissed with HP and I'm not the only one, and it takes a lot to piss me off.

      @Sally - its the same as HP - you can have more than one account - I've already got a couple!

      @wes - that was what I'd heard. I really liked the look of this wizz - I'm not an Amazon expert - but I am pretty sure that's a good layout for sales

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      Wesman Todd Shaw 

      9 years ago from Kaufman, Texas

      Info Barrel needs some serious improvement for amazon sales. I like that place just fine...except for the amazon thing.

      It's pointless to even create a product themed article there that was meant to generate amazon sales.

      I might check out the Whiz, thanks for posting.

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      9 years ago from Southeastern Pennsylvania

      Thanks, Lissie. Your simply stated strategy and "plain-talk" background on what's been going on at HP this year is refreshing and welcome. I've been following all of this since Panda, but it's a lot to assimilate when you are not a net marketing expert.

      I also admire your taking a stand and making a hub of it. It's been difficult to get HP's attention about the issues you mention, but you and others who are writing hubs describing your actions going forward and the reasons behind them are delivering enormously helpful information.

      About Wizzley...I did sign up a few weeks ago although have not published there yet. I got a kick out of being there early, able to secure the account name I wanted, a popular name, 'cause I was first with it! I'm looking forward to seeing what happens there.

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      Kate Swanson 

      9 years ago from Sydney

      I don't make a lot of money from Amazon, and most of it comes from HubPages, so I'm not getting too concerned about my Hubs - it's likely I will get a better percentage when the change occurs.

      I am tempted to move Hubs on principle, because I'm also disappointed at the way HubPages is moving away from a transparent earnings method, where each Hubber is responsible for their own accounts. However, I have to consider self-interest too. All my Hubs have considerable age - and I'll lose that if I move them.

    • Lissie profile imageAUTHOR

      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 

      9 years ago from New Zealand

      LOL 5institutes - you been splashing with the duck! HP don't understand - they have pissed me off, plus a lot of others, its really not good business to have pissed off customers, particularly ones that know SEO if you know what I mean!

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      9 years ago from Nampa, ID

      Lissie - that's awesome of you to use HP to talk Wizzley. Love your courage to say what's on your mind at all times, and I can't remember where I heard of Wizzley...

      Oh, right! A pond I was visiting. People talking about it.

    • Lissie profile imageAUTHOR

      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 

      9 years ago from New Zealand

      @Successful Living - probably a couple of weeks - I unpublished a pile of hubs yesterday- I'll update this when they are gone from the interwebs!

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      Maren Elizabeth Morgan 

      9 years ago from Pennsylvania

      Lissie, thanks. I will be watching all this.

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      9 years ago from Tennessee

      Very good and interesting read. I can see HubPages slipping more and more myself and I also joined Wizzley over the summer and have a few pages there. It is an excellent community, friendly and inspiring. Thanks for this excellent hub on affiliates demeaning attitude by the Hubpages elitist...

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      Sherry Vacik 

      9 years ago from Prague, Czech Republic

      Thanks for sharing this information, Lissie. I have missed this bit of information (I must live under a rock!). Wizzley has recently come up on my radar, too, and I've heard some very good things about it.

      Do you know how long it takes for unpublished hubs to become deindexed?

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      Philip Cooper 

      9 years ago from Olney

      Thank you for this information...nice hub.

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      Chris Montgomery 

      9 years ago from Irvine, CA

      That was a great read, and inspiring. I have actually been under a rock, so I better go review those upcoming changes. It's nice to hear that you are prolific over what sounds like multiple sites, and making a nice living from it. Definitely something I aspire to. Hope you don't bail on Hubpages completely!

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      9 years ago from Other Side of the Sun

      Thanks for the information Lissie, I will go and check out Wizzley

    • Lissie profile imageAUTHOR

      Elisabeth Sowerbutts 

      9 years ago from New Zealand ie free blogs - its against their TOS to promote commercial blogs there.

      In terms of self-hosted wordpress - because these are niches I don't already have sites in - I haven't time to develop another 6 or so sites before the end of the year ie in a month, when I am away for 2 weeks !

      Blogger - no if I develop blogs I develop on sites I own and control, blogger offers no advantage of authority (which hubpages used to and Wizzley appears to)

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      9 years ago from Between Montréal and the Laurentians. Québec, Canada.

      Then why not word press or blogger?


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