Aug 20 Earnings Decrease?

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   Isabella Snowposted 11 years ago

   Noticed that my earnings previously posted for Monday the 20th (which were already reflected in my overall earnings and which looked typical to begin with), have now been reduced to something that looks most atypical, and this figure is also now reflected in the total earnings.
   
   Normally earnings glitches aren't reflected in the overall earnings figure. That, and I've never seen earnings go down during adjustments, especially when they looked normal to begin with. If this is a glitch it is one I've not seen before.
   
   Anyone else seeing this for Monday Aug 20?

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      Polly Cposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, same for me

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         Isabella Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Well then it's probably a brand new glitch, I suppose.

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            sm825posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I think it has to do with everyone getting their kids, and the kids themselves ready to go back to school. You also got college students getting ready if not already back to start the new term. I would say sometime before fall starts the views will probably pick back up again. It is just like on Runescape around this time a lot of kids sell all of there items and cause the market to crash, then a few months later it is back to where it was again.
            
            I bet you next year it will probably happen again.

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   Rik Ravadoposted 11 years ago

   Yes me too.  Impressions were unchanged but the CPM went from $5+ to $3+ dramatically reducing earnings.

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   WriteAngledposted 11 years ago

   I am more concerned by the fact that my earnings figure for August 11 states 0 views and 0 earnings, which is not true.
   
   Of course, the sum involved is miniscule, but it is the principle of the thing that is worrying.

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      Greekgeekposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Just my luck. i had a viral influx of about 7000 extra visitors on the 20th.
      Sometimes the amount isn't minuscule!

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         WriteAngledposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I was referring to my earnings!
         
         At present, I rarely get more than $0.20 a day for all my hubs combined in the HP Ad programme, with about one eBay click every couple of weeks and one Amazon click every few months or so.

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   IzzyMposted 11 years ago

   Just noticed all my CPMs have been reduced for the 20th (across all my accounts), but there is still an asterisk beside each, so not finalised yet. Maybe it will go even lower?

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   Isabella Snowposted 11 years ago

   I've no doubt they will go back to where they originally were to begin with.

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   Isabella Snowposted 11 years ago

   Newly posted earnings for the 21st look just as strange as the 20th, which makes me think it's definitely a glitch of some kind. Just never saw them change once already reflected in the total monthly earnings before.

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      TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one!  My page views suddenly dropped 75%, and my earnings not only fell the same amount, but also have much lower CPMs than before.    I hope the Hub Gods are reading these posts and take appropriate steps to fix these things...this reminds me of what happened last Spring...only that time, everything just went down to practically nothing, but came back about three weeks later. 
      
      It's hard to keep your spirits up when stuff like this keeps happening.  Makes you just want to stop writing!

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   wildernessposted 11 years ago

   My hub views seem normal, even climbing a bit, but the CPM suddenly dropped by 20% on the 20th and was the same for the 21st.
   
   I know they vary considerably, but that seems unusual.  The CPM is the lowest I've seen since April/May when there were a few days about what it is now.

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   Isabella Snowposted 11 years ago

   I think it's all just a "typical" earnings report glitch...

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   brakel2posted 11 years ago

   My views dropped as I reported earlier. 20 to 40 percent

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    Isabella Snowposted 11 years ago

    Just to be clear, my question concerning a possible earnings glitch for Aug 20 and 21 has nothing to do with any changes in traffic. If anyone experienced a traffic drop they perceive as being glitch-related, they should post it in the "traffic" forum so HP staff will definitely see it.

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    moonlakeposted 11 years ago

    I also saw my earnings drop. I was a little surprised I have never seen this happen before with that kind of adjustment. I don't make a lot but my earnings had gone up on a day when I had more traffic than usual and suddenly I get on this morning and the earnings for Aug 20 has dropped. I watched my traffic on Aug 20 through Google analytics go up. I keep it on my desk top so I see it happening when it happens.  Commented to my husband that it pays to get more traffic because my earnings went up. Surprise, surprise I get on this morning my earnings increase, GONE.

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    Marye Audetposted 11 years ago

    I did, Isabella. It has happened before and been fixed... Hopefully it will be handled soon.

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       Isabella Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I assume you're saying that you've seen earnings posted which were later adjusted downward, and then increased again at some point after that?

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          Marye Audetposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Sorry.... yes my earnings were posted and then decreased by about 30%.

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             Isabella Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Sorry, I'm still not clear on what you've said.
             
             After you saw the 30% drop (and I assume you are not talking about Aug 20) did you then see them corrected later?

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    Greekgeekposted 11 years ago

    I'm talking about an earnings drop as well... It's just that when your ad impressions are twenty times normal, but your CPM is half normal, the earnings drop ain't minuscule!
    
    Luckily the numbers for Aug 20 and 21 are still starred as pending. Let's hope for adjustments in the final CPM.

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       Isabella Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       My stats for Aug 20 are no longer pending, and have not been adjusted. Though I would not be surprised if a notice goes up soon saying those days are still being processed.

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       TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       I hope that will happen but there was another Panda update on Aug 20, and I think it hurt more of us than are posting here right now.  It just about killed me, and it happened right after I spent two months redoing every single hub.

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          IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          It was August 19th - http://searchengineland.com/google-pand … 9-1-131284
          
          It killed a couple of my accounts too.
          
          I'm fed up with all this up and down stuff. I still have untouched accounts  - s'ppose it's only a matter of time before they get hit too.

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             Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             I just don't understand how they can state that sites like e-how have some high quality content. This is not a dig at their writers, but the articles are short and shallow. I don't think I've ever landed on an e-how page that offered anything different, or more in depth, than a content farm.
             
             I know there's been some really awful crap on HP, but there is also some really detailed, in-depth and quality stuff, too. I just can't see a comparison between sites like HP and e-how.

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                paradigmsearchposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                I don't know about now, but when I was with e-how way-back-when, they would pick articles they really liked and generate hundreds of backlinks for them. Thus the reason for their articles outranking everyone else's.

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                IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                I didn't even know we were (considered to be) a content farm until we were hit by the 'Farmer's Update' that hit content farms, later name Panda of course.
                
                The thing about Ehow is that they do answer questions, though not in any detail at all.
                
                Might be just the thing for today's mobile users.

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    drspanielposted 11 years ago

    I believe that the earnings shown for the 20th previously were earnings which hadn't properly been split 60/40. Therefore they seemed unusually higher than what we could typically expect.

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       Isabella Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Why would you think that?
       
       I don't think that's it at all. And as I've said, the first earnings report posted for that day looked absolutely normal. What is showing now, does not.
       
       At this point, I think it's pretty likely they will go back to what they were in the near future.

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       IzzyMposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Speak for yourself. My unadjusted earnings were average compared to what I usually earn, and the downwards adjustment makes them way lower than normal.
       
       And, as Isabella says. the asterisk is now gone, making the new lower figure final.

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    Marye Audetposted 11 years ago

    Isabella... the 30% drop was for the 20th. In the past there were similar situations that were later resolved. drspaniel... I think you are wrong there. My earnings are pretty stable aand this is an odd drop when the traffic was actually a little higher.The earnings aren't split 60/40... the ad time is.

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       Isabella Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Got it, thanks.

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       drspanielposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       Yes, but our earnings are also made by our impressions on HubPages are they not? And our impressions are split 60/40 aren't they?

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          Marye Audetposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          But the income is not... SO.... if  I make $6 in income hubpages could actually make more or less. They have ads that run 40% of the time and I have ads that run 60% of the time.  The 60 - 40 does not translate exactly into income ...

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             Lauryallanposted 11 years agoin reply to this

             Actually that's not really the case if you're on the HP Program. All the ads on the page (excluding amazon and ebay capsules) are HP ads 100% of the time, except for the ad unit at the very bottom of the page (the right hand ad) which shows the individual writers Google Adsense code 60% of the time.  However, it's so far down that page Adsense clicks are virtually non-existent now.

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    Isabella Snowposted 11 years ago

    Wow, did I really post this thread in this forum?? Sorry, I thought it was the Hubber's Hangout... how odd...

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       relacheposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       You did originally post in the Hangout.  The thread was moved.

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    UnnamedHaraldposted 11 years ago

    Like the rest here, I also have experienced a drop in earnings even though my views have been good. Monday's earnings didn't change (go up) when the asterisk disappeared and the amount locked in. But I just noticed that Tuesday's-- which still are pending-- were bumped up by .06. Just FYI.

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    TIMETRAVELER2posted 11 years ago

    There was a Panda update on Aug 20...so there you have it!

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       Isabella Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this

       This thread has nothing at all to do with traffic.

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          Isabella Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          Well, at this point I am thinking there has been strange decrease in daily earnings that does not seem to be a glitch anymore and certainly does not correlate to traffic in any way.
          
          I would not have thought too much about it, had I not seen typical earnings for Monday drop for no apparent reason, followed by another error/correction on Tuesday and then Wednesday in line with the new earning trend.
          
          Not much to be done about it, I suppose, and I reckon there's nothing more to say on it.

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             Anurag2008posted 11 years agoin reply to this

             The asterisks have disappeared. The sudden CPM drop is quite surprising.  I hope Hubpages team is looking into this matter.

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                Isabella Snowposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                My understanding is that the matter is closed and those numbers for Aug 20 will not be changing.

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    Greekgeekposted 11 years ago

    Right. This thread has nothing to do with Panda. It also has nothing to do with traffic. We're simply talking about the amount we're paid for those visitors that find our hubs. (But for what it's worth, Quantcast.com's direct measure of Hubpages's overall traffic looks exactly the same as it has all summer.)
    
    On Aug 20 my traffic went from ~ 500 a day to 7000 a day, and the AD IMPRESSIONS went up to 4000 for that day. But the CPM dropped by over a third.
    
    As a result, while my impressions were nearly 20 times above normal, the PAY RATE for those impressions was much lower than normal. This continued for three days --about the length of time I had inceeased traffic from a hub getting shared around by Google Plus members -- and now, my CPM is back into normal range, but my traffic has dropped almost back to where it was before.
    
    It's like if you're selling things based on commission, and the day you sell twenty times what you usually do, your employer mysteriously drops the commission RATE by a third, so you don't get paid as mich for each sale.
    
    With all the other dashboard glitches lately, I'm hoping this also was a bug.

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       brakel2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

       When I looked at Quantcast, it looked like a drop. I may not have read it correctly. I will look again. Maybe it is different now.

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    DigbyAdamsposted 11 years ago

    Does anyone think that there might be a change in the quality of the traffic. Paul Edmondson recently suggested that Hubbers actively go after Pinterest traffic. I also had a spike on one of my Hubs from Facebook this week. Perhaps this traffic is not in the same "buying mood" or "clicking on ads" frame of mind as Google traffic.
    
    I had the impression (and this could be wrong) that many HP advertisers were here for the branding and not necessarily purchasers. But maybe this has changed.
    
    Just thinking out loud.

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