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   jansharesposted 11 years ago

   Does Google rate you based on the total number of pageviews to your subdomain or is it broken down my hubs?

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      psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Google ranks every url, based mainly on the number and quality of incoming links.

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         jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry for being so dense, psychskinner; don't know exactly what that means. Do you mean links I put in the hub?

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      Cardisaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Jan, I think you should read this article on what google actually says about page rank. http://www.google.com/competition/howgo … works.html

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         jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I just read it, good info. I think I understand a little better now. Thanks, I appreciate you :-)

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            Cardisaposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            You are welcome

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         Taleb80posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you so much for adding this helpful link.

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      Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Both.  It's similar to the way HubPages gives our Hubs a HubScore and our overall account a Hubber score, though it's far more sophisticated of course.
      
      Google "scores" each Hub individually, but it also judges your entire sub-domain and gives it a Panda score.  We don't know exactly how the Panda score is worked out, but we do know it's not a simple average - Google has said that even one or two "low quality" posts will dramatically affect your Panda score.
      
      The Panda score then gets factored into the score for each Hub.  So if your sub-domain has a poor Panda score, it doesn't matter how successful single Hubs have been - they will lose their position in the search results because the poor Panda score will drag them down.
      
      That's why HubPages introduced sub-domains.  Once upon a time, HubPages was just one big site and (like today) they had a constant battle against spammers posting poor quality Hubs.  That didn't really matter before Panda was introduced, because each Hub was judged individually.  After Panda, traffic to the whole site dived, because HubPages had been awarded a dreadful Panda score (based on the worst Hubs). 
      
      By introducing sub-domains, HubPages solved that problem because each sub-domain is its own website, and each gets its own separate Panda score.

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         jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Okay, now this makes sense to me. The reason I asked is that I have one hub out of 31 that does well in Google search; the rest not so good. Can I rely on that hub to carry the bulk of a good Panda rating while I work on creating better hubs? Or will the poorly searched hubs (at least half) be detrimental to the performance of the good hub, causing a poor overall rating?

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            Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Like I said, Panda looks at your whole sub-domain, it doesn't rate each Hub individually.  It's looking for problems - if it finds them, even just a few, then points get deducted.    You don't get extra points for having a spectacular post, but you do lose them for having bad ones.
            
            However, don't confuse "bad" with "poorly searched".   If having "poorly searched" Hubs could hurt your sub-domain, then every news site in the world would be in trouble - because they have thousands of posts in their archives, and how many people search for yesterday's news?    Panda doesn't check your traffic stats!
            
            You probably already know what bad means - things like too short, keyword-stuffed, poor spelling, unrelated links, prohibited topics.  Personally, I always worry when Hubbers have poems on their account, because Panda doesn't know a poem is special - it just sees a short Hub.    If you want to write poetry here, then I suggest you take a look at Pearldiver's method of creating a poetry Hub.

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               jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Got it, thanks Marisa. By the way, I've been adding topical text to my poetry to lengthen the hub since I started at hp. I realized early on that the poem itself doesn't always work. Coincidentally, I'm working on one as we speak. That may upset some purists but if we want our stuff to get traffic we have to do whatever works while maintaining the integrity of the art.

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               Anna Sternfeldtposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Interesting information indeed! As a newbie here I have a lot to learn and I am happy for people like you sharing what you know. I have one question on the issue being "too short", how long is long enough and when is it too short?

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            lobobrandonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I doubt the panda update will harm your subdomain if you're hubs are not receiving traffic. Are they high quality, do they have enough content to answer people's queries? Most of all - would you enjoy reading your article if you were the person searching for that info.
            
            If you're answer to the above questions is "Yes" then don't bother about anything else. Just go on writing and updating your current hubs. I only update when I see people coming to my hubs via new search phrases that are related to the hub but I don't already have an answer to that question.
            
            Plus you're here just 4 months, it took most of my top hubs a minimum of 6 months before they settled down and ranked well. Some of them took almost 9 months to reach the first page. Patience pays

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               jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks for that, lobobrandon.

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               Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               The Panda score is based on everything Google can see on your sub-domain, whether they're receiving traffic or not.  So yes, a poor quality Hub can hurt your sub-domain even if it's not being searched much.

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                  lobobrandonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  What I meant was, if it's not receiving traffic doesn't mean it's bad quality. She's here just 4 months and her hubs would probably do better in a few more months

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                  Faith A Mullenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Good to know! I have wondered why people suggest deleting hubs that don't generate traffic (once they've matured), so this makes sense.

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                     Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     You're confusing poor traffic with poor quality again.
                     
                     A Hub that doesn't get traffic will NOT damage your sub-domain!
                     A Hub that doesn't get traffic will NOT damage your sub-domain!
                     A Hub that doesn't get traffic will NOT damage your sub-domain!
                     
                     A Hub that's poor quality will damage your sub-domain.  There are lots of reasons a Hub may not get traffic, and often it's nothing to do with quality.

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                        Faith A Mullenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Ah, I had missed your post above about confusing "bad" with "poorly searched." Think I got it now. So as long as you're posting all good quality hubs, you should not need to delete anything to improve your google ratings? Thanks for the clarity, Marisa.

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                        ptosisposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Thanks. So if it's obscure but well written - it's get a good google score. Is that why a hub score may be good (above 75) yet have only 350 lifetime hits?
                        
                        what is the cutoff for a good hubscore?

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                           Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           A large component of HubScore is how much traffic a Hub is getting, so HubScore is just a reflection of a Hub's success, not an indicator of quality.

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   psycheskinnerposted 11 years ago

   I mean other sites that link to your hub.

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      jansharesposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Okay . . . . . So when someone reads my hub and likes it, they may, for example, "refer" it to others (backlink?) who read it, and so on, and so on?

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   bizwinposted 11 years ago

   Hi Anna, 500 to 600 word counts will do. But if you have more to write about, you can still do. The only problem is having less than 500 words. You want people to stay for a little bit longer reading your hub, and Google loves it too.

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      Anna Sternfeldtposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks very much bizwin for that!

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   ptosisposted 11 years ago

   Panda does the WHOLE subdomain? Including unpublished & draft hubs! OMG!

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      lobobrandonposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No way! there's no way for google or any other crawler to go through your draft and unpublished hubs. And according to the new feature on HP, your non-featured hubs will have a no-index tag as well.

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         ptosisposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Whew!
         
         I was looking at the micro workers and Click workers and there seems to be a lot of "jobs" about adding a link. The customer who owns an url is selling .43 dollars for a link on somebody's blog. Is this is what it has come down to? Or has it been like this always?
         
         
         I remember way back when about reciprocal links then google changed to one way link and now it's Panda score - all to stem the tide of SEO

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            Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            There has always been a market for paid backlinks, but in the past people did it by joining a blog network designed for the purpose.  Google worked that out and destroyed most of them, so now there's a small army of bloggers doing it piecemeal for a few cents here and there.

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            Californialawposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I once worked with a company that used Microworkers and i have to say its mostly garbage. Anyone who's willing to sit around all day for  40 cents is just not going to be able to follow directions well or have any kind of account or blog of value. Its pretty blackhat IMO

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      Marisa Wrightposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Not sure if you're being sarcastic?   I was assuming people would understand that Panda can only look at what Google can see.  So no, not unpublished and not idled.

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