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  1. Sibli Luaxessna profile image59
    Sibli Luaxessnaposted 15 years ago

    did I do anything write, right, please advise muxh appreciated.

    Sibli Luaxessna

    1. AEvans profile image72
      AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Sibli, We all realize that you are trying however when Senior hubbers try to explain things to you, do not last out at them and if you are striving to become a writer constructive feedback is always needed. We have all been new and we have all been curtailed simple read the rules and ask a hundred questions if necessary and you wil do well. smile

      1. sunforged profile image72
        sunforgedposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Im going to have to disagree-

        'Having porn in your retail products is against HubPages TOS"

        that isnt advice-thats being a self appointed hall monitor- if the advice is even valid it could have been sent as a private message = publicly posting that you are violating TOS is just sabotage.

        nothing was said about the writing or layout or anything else the poster may have actually cared to hear

        I still would like to know what "porn" in retail products means anyway

        im being defensive in the stead of the writer because what you call "last" out at actually a very humorous retort that puts 90% of the hubs here to shame

        1. AEvans profile image72
          AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          sunforged: I was only gathering all of the goodies as everyone else has discussed the porn which we all know is not acceptable, goofy what I meant was she should not lash out at them as she or he is being rude and her porn we all know is a no-no. I should have made myself clear so please forgive me, no harm intended and I have been here for quite sometime myself, 15 months which is 11 months longer then you. My retort is quite humorous isn't it?big_smile

          1. sunforged profile image72
            sunforgedposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            no, dont see the humor....and still dont see the porn, feel free to learn the definition, meditate on what that means to you as  it is not a rigidly defined concept - it is once again a "community standard' your definition is not my definition is not isaacs definition.

            Did you see aforementioned porn? As the hub in question has already been pulled and re-edited?

            The only definition which matters of course would be HUbadmin -

            Thanks for the math - your intention of telling me was? - its a very big internet - perhaps some spend 15 months writing 300 page articles - while others build 300 page websites?

            who knows -thanks for the lesson in irrelevance

            *edit* used my word counter - seems like the average is closer to 350 words - my bad

            1. AEvans profile image72
              AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

              Some love to write others love to build that is what makes the Internet go
              As for the definition I clearly understand it, I was not defending her porn, and you were merely correcting my misspelling , are you having  a bad day? Where is the nice Sunforged, who burst your bubble? smile Anyways thanks for pointing out the issues and I still adore

              1. sunforged profile image72
                sunforgedposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                --well, what do you think those 300 page sites are filled with? wink

                <-------------- Well as you can see, im wearing my evil grin today....

                yes, i was kidding about the misspelling ...and i do tend to be heavyhanded

                Im just focused..and interested in an actual answer...I prefer to be nice and helpful hence the irritation at something I dontthink was nice and helpful. I dont think the "your hub is against TOS" comment was a helpful response and I actually see many short, unhelpful responses from this particular hubber directed to new hubbers (albeit they are usually asinine questions, that are difficult answer with patience) .. this is a whole different situation, with a very real question of what is the line that separates acceptable adult fun and unacceptable pornography.

                And of course, you were the one that suggested seniority in a forum had any bearing...if this is actually an adsense/google  question them my almost 50 month old account would prob take seniority

                And very little of the questions in these forums are realy that specific to hubpages - many are just writing questions. layout questions or relating to third party advertisers -all things that one can have lots of experience with outside of this one community

                1. AEvans profile image72
                  AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I agree with you on that and I told he or she to read that rules and stop being rude as he or she was quite arrogant to anyone who tried to assist them. I would seriously like to know where the line ends and where it begins as I have been reading the forum and their is a fine line as we all know. I was being mean and senority does not have any bearing on this discussion however an account that is 4 1/2 years old has my respect.
                  I have your back SunForged do find the answer big

      2. Sibli Luaxessna profile image59
        Sibli Luaxessnaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Thank you AEvans, this is really embarrassing but it is also a lesson to me how “MUXH” it is important to proof everything no matter how small.
        I believe just a few minutes ago I already explained and apologized to relache and apologized.
        But I will reiterate that I was not in fact meaning “you” relache.   
        I meant “you” whom is responsible for the decision to brand it pop-corn-o-graphic and not give me any specifics on how I could fix it or what in fact was pop-corn-graphic.
        I appreciate constructive feedback, hence my asking for specifics twice.
        I did read the rules and found the vagueness wanting, again hence my asking.
        Please, Please, Please realize I bear no ill will toward you or anyone.
        Simply trying to clarify communication, I honestly don’t mean to sound abrasive, to you or relache.
        If it did not hurt me to feel I have upset you or anyone I would in fact find it hysterically funny since I have but used the softest tissue in my lexicon arsenal. But I am not only sad that I offended someone but embarrassed that I have so much more to learn in weaving a tapestry of understanding with my words.
        Still I try and look at the positive you all gave me yet another opportunity to do what I love, write. big_smile
        Sincere thanks

        1. AEvans profile image72
          AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Sib, You didn't hurt my feelings as we have all been right where you are, and you definitely do not sound abrasive, You can do it and I am glad that you took the time to read the rules, here is also a little tip before asking for advise look back on another forum and see if someone elseo has asked the same thing, you may as well find your answers there. Happy Hubbing!!smile

  2. relache profile image73
    relacheposted 15 years ago

    Having porn in your retail products is against HubPages TOS.

    1. Sibli Luaxessna profile image59
      Sibli Luaxessnaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Great thanks very much for that insight; I did not realize I had put any porn on it.
      And after looking again, I am not sure what you are referring to, but apparently you are not the only one who thinks so.
      So I have to say I am somewhat confused and angry at this blatant gender phobia harassment. Oops I said “gender” sorry no offence meant.
      I can only imagine that the porn you speak of is one of the random products suggested by Amazon and eBay in the revenue modules. I was not aware that they would suggest porn for our pages that seems a bit strange. Also while I have not personally viewed any of those products I don't see anything pornographic on the covers. Granted they are very small and hard to read so I will check them again with a magnifying glass.
      I have to assume you know that one or more of them is porn from personal experience so maybe you could be kind enough and tell me which product and I will happily remove it. I certainly want to be in compliance and I will definitely be more careful about what I let Amazon or eBay randomly put on my pages.
      Well thanks again, I also sent a message to the admin and whoever else emailed me the heads up, I do appreciate it.
      I was quite surprised to see that my first effort here was sabotaged by invisible TOS violations, wish I had known about such pitfalls, I could have saved some time. I hope you never have such luck, its very embarrassing as well let me tell you.   
      You’re a true saint I mean that, from the (censored) of my heart.

  3. sunforged profile image72
    sunforgedposted 15 years ago

    man now im curious!......I didnt realize that amazon or ebay- could serve adult products in there modules...

    of course "porn" is a community standard..some people arent insulted by sex, some are...some get a little freaked when you throw a dolphin and scimitar in the equation, others just shrug.

    ebay has an adult section, wouldnt think it served in the partner network since its an age verified section..I did a quick search and amazon carries sex related products but the raunchiest thing i saw was "house of legs" a stocking fetish video...there is no adult or porn genre

    what did i miss?

    1. Sibli Luaxessna profile image59
      Sibli Luaxessnaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hay thanks for keeping me awake smile

      Here is an update:
      I went over every word I wrote and I decided there was one sentence where I used the words brain, imagination, stimulates, sensitivity, and cross dressing but in a different order. So my guess at first was that somehow the Admin thought about it too much and got excited. Since I never used any other words that I haven’t included here, at least no words as racy and decadent as these are.

      I then clicked each one of the Amazon links which are not pop-corn-o-graphic themselves, however after 3 hours of reading fine print on the Amazon website I did see that several of them used the words “rated” and “un” but in a different order than I have here and the “n” of the “un” was fornicating with the “r” of rated.

      I hope this is not too explicit an explanation I just seem to be magnet for lewdness I guess. I found one of the movies was “PG” rated and we all know what Parents do; say no more, nudge, nudge, wink. In any event I think the fine letter of the law means that if you add a link and it can connect to pop-corn-ography somewhere in the world then your guilty of high crimes and must be shushed. Oh no come to think of it this comment of yours is within 6 degrees of pop-corn-o-graphy, I better run before they find me.

      I switched out all the ones that I could find to movies that were no longer relevant to my subject matter, I hope I can get some feedback on it for real so I can post it, I don’t want to take the chance when they are so abstract and seeming to be only attacking my topic. I would hate to think this is just a bunch of bigots, hate mongers and hypocrites. Without some clarification that is what I am left with.

      Does anyone know about the movie “Boys don’t cry” with Hilary Swank. It is rated R on the site so does that mean it is considered pop-corn-o-graphic? That is at least a vaguely relevant movie.
      Well sweet day dreams to you all.


  4. relache profile image73
    relacheposted 15 years ago

    And as a trained sex educator, I'm saddened to have you accuse me of gender phobia harassment for pointing out that some of your retail products were in violation of HubPages TOS.  I did not harass you, nor display gender phobia in my feedback. 

    I merely pointed out a technical issue, and as stated in the TOS, you are responsible for all content on your Hubs so please take more care in the future when building content on this site.

    I did spend many years living in San Francisco, making my living in the adult leather world, both real and online , but I'm reticent to help someone further who just blasts me with negativity when they asked for help and I offered some.  Good luck at HubPages.

    1. Sibli Luaxessna profile image59
      Sibli Luaxessnaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Ok,,wow....omg, I am amazed that so much was said while I was in my coffin.
      But now that I have returned and read this thread from recent backwards I will try and respond as I see/saw things.

      First let me saw I apologize to you relache, I have seen censorship used to shut people up and bury facts and people all too often. I should have taken a closer look at your profile and get a better idea of who I was dealing with. And by that of course if you work in sex education a field requiring a degree of intelligence and open mindedness then my reaction about gender phobia as you say would be ridiculous. I was not meaning “you” personally however and for that I also apologize. I reacted to what I thought was heavy handed repression of my work and the “you” was intended for the foot the shoe fits on, not you per se.

      All I had to go on was one abstract comment on my Hub and then a curiously timed yanking by the admin.  In fact after I got offline I had a long conversation with my partner who works with Guru and other sites and she thought I was being naïve in thinking you were not at fault. The vagueness of your comment without specifics as to what was pop-corn-o-graphic added to my miscalculation of your intentions.

      I am truly sorry and I hope you will accept my apology for my quick judgment or what certainly seems a quick direct implication as to you being at fault. That was wrong.
      I was glad to see the comment my first ever here, I just got a little whip lashed when I felt unable to fix the issue before it became such a major commotion as I am sure you can understand. Still you are correct you in fact did not say anything specific or anything hostile. I believe I did in fact thank you for a “heads up”, and though it may have been decorated in other emotive regalia I meant it.

      Thank you relache for trying to help 

  5. sunforged profile image72
    sunforgedposted 15 years ago

    I would still like to know what products could possibly be against hub tos...

    the only relevant clause i see is:

    Create Hubs that include any Content or links that is pornographic, defamatory, libelous, tortuous, vulgar, obscene, invasive of privacy, racially or ethnically objectionable, hateful, promotes or provides instructional information about illegal activities, or promotes any act of cruelty to animals.

    Once again "pornographic" is a term based on a community standard - and from my albeit brief research amazon does not serve pornographic content and ebays is age verified - so prob does not serve on the partner network. (whats porn in iran, could be a lifetime episode in the us)

    Censorship is very evil, and I could easily move on to other pastures if i felt a term like "pornography" was being loosely translated and used to censor creative works.

    1. Misha profile image65
      Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Just to clarify for newbies: Hubpages standards of defining porn are those of Google Adsense. There is no censorship here, just pure business - if you don't meet Adsense standards, you don't get the adds, if you massively abuse them, you get your account closed...

      And cool down, you can do better than that...

      1. sunforged profile image72
        sunforgedposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Im sure this is true -But I dont imagine amazon or ebay does serve products that violate adsense terms, I bet their standards are pretty much the same,

        and that is still the hanging question here....what could amazon or ebay have served that another would have called porn?

        but then again, im leaning towards the def - of obscenity when im stating "community standards" but that is relavant because "pornography: is merely 'depiction of sexual behavior that is intended to arouse sexual excitement in its audience"...of which their are many, many hub pages that either play with the boundaries of or fall clearly inside if this definition.

        The are saying pornography but they are meaning obscenity - otherwise any movies above pg13 would be disqualified from accompanying an adsense module

      2. Sibli Luaxessna profile image59
        Sibli Luaxessnaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        Thank you Misha.
        Though as I have stated I did read the terms, I did not realize the impact of google, since I was not joining google at least in my mind. This serves to make that clear and I appreciate your bringing that important focus to light. For me it is another help and I thank you.

        I want to comply and I would not mind a little cash to, the getting paid to learn/improve has a nice jingle to it.

        I only object to what I perceive as blatant censorship in an attempt to bury people or facts, through discrimination or voice. It was premature of me to even seem to get so fired up. My grandfather who was a published author for many years and who I deeply respect, especially since I was his favorite smile always told me, “The squeaky hinge gets the grease”.

        Of course let me state for the record the reason I wrote on such an “uncomfortable” subject for some people was not to get myself lubricated here (yes pun intended). I chose it because I have hundreds of friends and decades of passionate experience with the subject, from many perspectives. And it has been suggested to me that a writer should write a lot but write most about what they know, what they have incentive to investigate and shape.

        As someone concerned with burning away the oily film of ignorance that feeds hate crimes, it just seemed the most promising first start.

        Although I am sad I caused anyone to feel “lashed at”, embarrassed for misspelling “muxh” and not being as clear on my last paragraph I am also very thankful that each and every one of you took a moment of your day to help me out.
        Hopefully my next attempts will be more useful for other people and less problematic for myself and the admin.

        Gawd Bless (misspelled on purpose so as not to take the name in vain) smile
        Ps as for me I could not be cooler, it’s a nudist office already at night. cool

    2. Sibli Luaxessna profile image59
      Sibli Luaxessnaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I did in fact change the products, as I think I mentioned in my update when I asked about “Boys don’t cry”. That movie was not one of the original products.

      Without knowing what was offensive I felt obligated to change them all.
      I also understand that “random” is not truly random, since Amazon and eBay take cues in selecting the “random” items. I think if you do a search of random in a mock HUB with the Keywords “Transgender”, “Gender”, and maybe “Cross dresser” you may pull up some products that have no rating and if you read further the descriptions may be suggestive that the product contains pop-corn-o-graphy.  I mean if you really want to know specifically what they were that is probly the best bet.

      I have to applaud relache on having such a keen eye. It was as I mentioned in an earlier post quite some time before I dug far enough into Amazon that I found it. I suppose that comes from knowing this site and her stuff well. So really it is a tribute to her, I only wish I had been able to nip it before the admin and save some embarrassment.

      Sunforged, I would be happy to do the mock hub and link them to you but I am worried if I link them to you I will be throwing a match on my oil soaked account. I shall follow relache’s lead and not make the mistake of linking to such a land mine. It is only occurring to me at this moment that her non-specific warning was also a wise self preservation move.

      Once again thank you relache. 


  6. EYEAM4ANARCHY profile image73
    EYEAM4ANARCHYposted 15 years ago

    I would suggest defining your terms. Not everybody has a good understanding of the TG  community. In fact, there is a pretty good segment of the population who don't even know the difference between a Transsexual and a Transvestite.

    And there are doctors performing sex change operations, so your last section really just doesn't make any sense.

    1. AEvans profile image72
      AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I also read the article and that last section honestly didn't make sense as it simply rattled on , so I have to agree with you my friend on that one. smile

    2. Sibli Luaxessna profile image59
      Sibli Luaxessnaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you EYEAM4ANARCHY, I take it that my attempt to clarify terms caused you confusion. I am sorry, I am also thankful; this gives me something I can work on.
      I had not even mentioned transvestites, but I was more focused on trying to point out that what you wear has nothing to do with who you are or who you want to be with. Three totally separate issues.
      I was so preoccupied with figuring out the rules and fulfilling what I thought were requirements of numbers of modules and such I spent a huge block of time on that first HUB, about 5 hours in fact. A great of it dyslexic-ally reading the terms of service and I admit to some amount of natural blondness. In any case I was quite tired when I posted my embarrassing misspelled request for advice after publishing it. I do not even need to reread it a twelfth time to know what you are referring about regarding doctors.
      I am disappointed in myself that I dropped the crystal ball of clarity in that last paragraph, I was trying to finish quickly and with a flash that would I hoped inspire thought, not debate.
      So you are correct in stating that there are doctors doing SRS (Sex Reassignment Surgery) but incorrect in assuming these doctors operate outside the Medical Community. A doctor operating as I was trying to suggest “outside” the medical community in the United States would not be a doctor in the United states very long.

      The point was that such a practice just would not happen. Now before you reiterate that it does, NO it does not in the sense that such a doctor would accept barter of non-monetary sorts in exchange for surgical services.

      The TG (transgender) people who engage in prostitution as a rule do not do it for the doctor directly. Of course a doctor might coincidentally become a Trick, but I am sure the doctor would be paying the prostitute cash not a face lift (with the possible exception of Jack). My imagery was meant to suggest a directly run doctor operated brothel, and my point was that simply would not happen.

      The Medical community in the USA is either as tight with each other or more, than are lawyers with other lawyers.

      I hope that helps, and thank you again you have given me some useful re-write info.

      1. EYEAM4ANARCHY profile image73
        EYEAM4ANARCHYposted 15 years agoin reply to this

        As I said, the last section just doesn't make any sense. I never stated that doctors don't operate outside the medical community, because I wasn't addressing that issue. The reason I never addressed it is because you never stated that you were discussing that and the impression you get from that section is that you are referring to sex change operations and stating that doctors don't do them. It's also not illegal for a doctor to charge anything or nothing for that matter for their services. Of course, the exception would be if that form of barter is itself illegal, such as the case of prostitution, so you are correct in that respect. From your explanation here, it seems you were trying to make a point about the expense of such surgeries; the difficulties transgendered people have of attaining quality employment; and the alternate ways people desiring them use to make that money. I would simply write about that and leave doctors owning brothels out of it.

        Also, I don't want to be insulting, but it seems you aren't real familiar with the terms yourself. A transvestite is a person who dresses like the opposite sex; a transsexual is someone who has actually had the surgery; and transgender is a more broad term that includes both categories. So if you write about someone who dresses as the opposite sex you are writing about a transvestite and you really should use the word at some point. You might be very knowledgeable about the transgender community, it just doesn't really show in your hub and it should.

        1. Sibli Luaxessna profile image59
          Sibli Luaxessnaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          After writing a little, revising and rewriting and deciding that this needed an answer and that the answer could benefit others I am making it into a HUB instead.

          "“So if you write about someone who dresses as the opposite sex you are writing about a transvestite and you really should use the word at some point.”

        2. Sibli Luaxessna profile image59
          Sibli Luaxessnaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Well I should know better than to deal with someone who exists souly to argue and worm around anything they say. (lol...ANARCHY). So which is it that your speaking about travestites or trangender or cross-dressers or tanssexuals. Either you think they are all the same and interchangable or your just nit-picking to try and stir up something. In anycase I was only trying to help and clarify, I am not going to get mad at you dont cry over that.

          Do you even know any transgender?

          Just out of curiousty what pray tell do you consider yourself?...I asked you first. smile
          And don't say "...the very model of a modern major general..."

          1. EYEAM4ANARCHY profile image73
            EYEAM4ANARCHYposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I'll try my best not to cry, as difficult as that is in the face of someone typing stuff on the internet.

            1. AEvans profile image72
              AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this

              Anarchy lets all be nice as she is simply on a learning curve and is new give her a chance to spread her

  7. Misha profile image65
    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    LOL I don't know what was there - I just came. Yet I am sure it was - trust me, Relache knows what she is talking about. smile

    I won't kill myself over the definition of porn - as far as I understand it's pretty easy - if you see the private parts, it is considered porn. Again I may agree or disagree to it - it does not really matter, what matters is what Google thinks of it...

    1. Sibli Luaxessna profile image59
      Sibli Luaxessnaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting, if that were the case then I should not have even made the slight changes I did to product since there were no private parts anywhere.
      And beyond TOS for the record, call me a prude but I personally don't want to see other peoples utilities outside of a private personal relationship. Even dogs make me nervous. roll

  8. profile image0
    RFoxposted 15 years ago

    Misha's right:  (Hi Misha!! wink )

    It's a Google Adsense rule not a Hubpages rule. If you want to earn money from your hubs with Google you have follow their rules.

    And every time you publish a hub the Google Adsense TOS comes up before you are allowed to continue as a reminder for what's allowed.

    I feel bad for the original poster that it was a random product in a revenue capsule that caused the problem, but we all have to deal with these rules. Unfortunately choosing to make revenue on your hubs brings censorship along with it. C'est la vie!

    From the Google Adsense site:

    Sites displaying Google ads may not include:

        * Violent content, racial intolerance, or advocacy against any individual, group, or organization
        * Pornography, adult, or mature content
        * Hacking/cracking content
        * Illicit drugs and drug paraphernalia
        * Excessive profanity
        * Gambling or casino-related content
        * Content regarding programs which compensate users for clicking on ads or offers, performing searches, surfing websites, or reading emails
        * Excessive, repetitive, or irrelevant keywords in the content or code of web pages
        * Deceptive or manipulative content or construction to improve your site's search engine ranking, e.g., your site's PageRank
        * Sales or promotion of weapons or ammunition (e.g., firearms, fighting knives, stun guns)
        * Sales or promotion of beer or hard alcohol
        * Sales or promotion of tobacco or tobacco-related products
        * Sales or promotion of prescription drugs
        * Sales or promotion of products that are replicas or imitations of designer goods
        * Sales or distribution of term papers or student essays
        * Any other content that is illegal, promotes illegal activity, or infringes on the legal rights of others 

    Hope this helps. big_smile

  9. Dame Scribe profile image57
    Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago

    Welcome to HP, sib smile you will enjoy your time here and your writing!

    1. Sibli Luaxessna profile image59
      Sibli Luaxessnaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you so much, kind of you. Mostly I have so far, but I have had a small issue with a certain anarchist, we have some mutual anti-affection for each other it seems. I posted a request for a HUB that is "write" up his alley though and asked him if he would accept it as a challenge and a step towards peace between us. I hope he does.
      Not only for the peace but I am dying to read what he may come up with.
      Well I need to get in my coffin soon, the sun is comming up.


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