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   GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years ago

   Hey guys,
   
   So I've been trying to find away around that elusive issue with "no embedding" issues with You(can't embed this here)Tube.
   
   Here's an idea...can we have a page frames capsule? What if we're able to embed a whole YouTube page within a Hub? It will be loading two pages at once, sure.....but couldn't HP just crop the dimensions for the video?
   
   Just an idea...

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   Dame Scribeposted 16 years ago

   I thought the *Video* capsule allowed you to embed Youtube videos that's how I have been doin it. Hope that helps.

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   Everyday Miraclesposted 16 years ago

   I embedded a couple that had it disabled. Use the url to the video.

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   GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years ago

   Right.
   
   That's the problem. Some videos can't be "embeded."
   
   So instead of embedding them, we trick the Hub reader into thinking they are....by embedding the whole page that the video is on YouTube.
   
   That way, technically (and legally) they're not watching it on HP, but through YouTube it's self.

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   Mishaposted 16 years ago

   It may be technically possible. The question I have to you though - if you were an owner of the video, and for whatever reason you would not want it to be embedded, how would you liked the solution you just proposed?

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   Everyday Miraclesposted 16 years ago

   I'd honestly be fine with it, Misha. It doesn't trick the video's owner, it tricks the viewer.
   
   Adding an iframe would be interesting. I would love to have full HTML access personally!

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   GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years ago

   The thing is...
   
   ...why would you not want the video to embeded? We mostly share music videos, right? The labels spend money to make a video to put on MTV and the likes...and that's it.
   
   Either they quit making videos or they just learn to live the heck with it. A music video, while a work of art, is also just an elaborate ploy to get you into an artist. It's an advertisement. You want to sell it? Then don't put it on television or YouTube where it's ad supported. We'll see how many buyers you have, then, too.

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   Mishaposted 16 years ago

   So, we are all for respecting others' propety - as long as it does not interfere with our plans for their property, right? Come on guys, you can do better than this
   
   Also EM, if you took the trouble of finding and checking "do not embed" checkbox, you probably would have had reasons for doing so, and you wouldn't be "fine" with others bypassing this...

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   GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years ago

   No, no, Misha...I agree with you. It's their right to restrict access...
   
   ...however, its not their right to be a parasite and put the thing on YouTube and then restrict it's access.
   
   They're not paying google's bandwidth.
   
   Give AND take.
   
   And they're only taking.

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      Everyday Miraclesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      But if Google gives them that right, then it is their right.

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         GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         Google...giving them the right?
         
         It's not a right. It's a way for Google to CYA.

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            Everyday Miraclesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            I honestly think I lost the thread somewhere along the lines. Three hours of sleep last night and this is the latest I've been up this week. I'll try again tomorrow to get what you're trying to say lol

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    Everyday Miraclesposted 16 years ago

    Misha... I keep trying to write this out and then think to myself that I would see the way it's worded as condescending. So I'm going to be clear: I don't think you're ignorant at all. You've been very helpful to me and many others here on HP. We like you. You're smart.
    
    But I'm not sure you know what G|M is referring to here.
    
    If I want to show my readers a restricted video, I have two options: The first would be to link to it externally so that the reader can click a link and view the YouTube page (with profile and related videos showing on the externally linked page). The other is to use an inline frame (which is what I understand G|M to be talking about). This would show the *entire* YouTube page within a frame. When you search Google videos, they use a frame to show the video page (though not directly from YouTube, if IIRC).
    
    It's a simple and viable solution that works for everybody, unless for some reason I just don't understand why someone would want their video to be restricted in such a way.
    
    Nothing about the page on YouTube would change or be left off/out.

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       Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       LOL Not sure who is condescending here, I thought I was not, and I definitely don't see it on your side
       
       Yes, I do understand the technical side of it. And I don't really know why someone would want to disable embedding, but since they have that option, I am all for respecting their decision, even if I personally don't see reasons for it.

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    girly_girl09posted 16 years ago

    I am a fan of an exercise video called "Scenic Trex" and wanted to embed an example in my walking exercise hub. I was shocked when it said that it couldn't be embedded! If people watch the video, they're more likely going to buy the dvd lol...really weird! Other videos, I can understand (like music videos, etc). I ended up finding another official Scenic Trex clip on youtube to embed, but needless to say, was pretty shocked when they didn't allow one of their videos (2 minute clip) to be embedded.

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    Mishaposted 16 years ago

    I don't feel in a position of telling any owner what they should or should not do with their property, and don't like it if anybody is trying to instruct me in this regard either. Or to sidestep my decisions about my property

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    Everyday Miraclesposted 16 years ago

    Nevermind, I think I get what you're saying, Misha. The only reason I can think of that an owner would not want their material embedded is because they want to be able to trace where in the world it is. The iframe gets around this and makes it even more difficult to trace the video. Gotcha.

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    GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years ago

    Misha, you challenge the rebel inside of me.
    
    You're actually absolutely correct.
    
    However, again, we're not talking about a video producer. We're talking about a video producer putting something on a third party. If they don't want it to get out, be embedded, than don't do it.
    
    YouTube gains money from Google adwords and the likes...
    
    ...but the video producer gains nothing. Zip. Nadda. They gain money by getting exposure from their video, and while YouTube does this, and we can link away...there's also a more simpler way of doing it: embedding it!
    
    I re-contexualize things. It's an art. And not to try and gain exposure here, but this is what I mean: http://hubpages.com/hub/darwinvol7
    
    I'm not just showing people music, I'm using my own talents to craft a story and embedding the videos into it. I'm getting people to go along with the story, and in turn, possibly getting them into new bands.
    
    They will undoubtedly, given their morality and money, buy songs from these bands. And that record label, who spent at least a cool million making that video which is shown for free on MTV and YouTube gains a new buyer of their wares.
    
    It's just simply unfair and limiting to disallow us to embed the work of others.
    
    G|M

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       Mishaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       LOL contact the owner and explain your point to them. I am afraid this is the only option you have. I can't say for HP staff of course, but if I were them I would not do iframe for exactly the reasons I outlined. Video owners report to YouTube, YouTube takes issues with this and disables video embedding and iframing for the whole hubpages.com URL. How would you like that?

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          GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Good point.
          
          I am working on the whole "plan B."
          
          It saddens me that these people are getting away with...losing income.
          
          And to make myself more clear, when I say I "re-contexualize" I litterly pour over dozens of videos for each volume. Thats why it's taken me so long to make a new one. Sure, the music reflects taste I have, because...its fitting into a story I'm creating.
          
          But at the same point, I'm also about broadening my horizons.
          
          Anyway, Misha, you prove a great point.
          
          But...I'm not sure that they would be able to "shut" HP out by the way you describe. HP it's self wouldn't exactly need to embed the frame into their page, just trick the personal computer's browser to load it from their computer.
          
          You gonna shut everyone out of YT?
          
          (EDIT)
          And it's really no trick. You're merely telling a computer to say "this is this Hub, also, visit this website at the same time."
          
          You're not taking anyone's thing, and you're in theory not violating any rules of law. You're merely putting a web page in a Hub. It's not a link, it's two addresses (or more) down at once, on one screen.

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       Chris Teldenposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Hi, I'm new to HubPages, and I know virtually nil about YouTube, but I understood it differently.  I thought YouTube's Partner Program allows those who make videos to share in the ad revenue: http://help.youtube.com/support/youtube … swer=72851 .  Are music videos different in some way?  Or--more likely--am I missing something in trying to understand this discussion?
       
       ...from a YouTube/video-embedding ignoramus

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          GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Hey Chris, welcome to HP! Actually, to be completely honest, I was unaware of this situation. This makes me an idiot.
          
          But, regardless of such, still ask yourself...you've ever seen pop-ups in a video? So, if this partner program works, does this mean that for the most part the labels are getting money from ads appearing in the video?
          
          And if this is the truth...then why are we still not freely allowed to embed?
          
          I'm going to be creating a video soon, posting it to YouTube, as well as doing various things. I will become an advocate for any content uploader on YouTube to give us unrestricted access. A hobby, I suppose.
          
          I do so appreciate your comment and when I have more time (and conciousness) I'll be reading through the link you provided.
          
          And your hubs!
          
          Sincerely,
          
          G|M

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             Chris Teldenposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Hi GM,
             
             Thanks much for the warm welcome!  Mmm, well, if we're going to talk about idiocy, I must win the prize.  For years, I was all like, "Where does the World Wide Web get all this stuff from? How can these folks afford to write these articles for no possible reward?"  And when the lightbulb went off--that making a living often played a part--I felt not only idiotic, but like someone who'd been left sleeping on the train while everyone else had gotten off already.  "Wait for me.....!"
             
             Since then, I now assume the opposite--that everyone's trying to earn a living or make extra money by producing content for the Internet--and when I see something that indicates there's nothing self-serving there, not even an attempt to drive traffic, I go instantly berserk.  "You tryin' to mess with my mind...?"

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    Mishaposted 16 years ago

    Try to iframe this
    
    http://www.ultimatewowguide.com/

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    GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years ago

    You're just challenging me to hack away at their security.
    
    But point, yet again, proven. I'd rather not expose their flaws (and believe me, there is always one, and I've plenty of time to find it)
    for if they've gone through that type of lock down they're going to come back with a bite.
    
    Plan B, it will...uhh..be, then.
    
    G|M

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    GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years ago

    And Plan B will be done within the next few days.
    
    So...I'll be happy to alert you of it.
    
    And Misha, thank you for your intelligent responses.
    
    I long not to put HP in the position you mention, and without you bouncing my ideas around I could not arrive at the correct direction to take with this issue.
    
    I hope you, and others, will join me when I get it off the ground....
    
    ...it's time somebody says something.
    
    And while I've lived a nefarious life on the nets in my misspent youth, and have no doubt I can crack the issue "technically," I'm not about destroying community, laws, or what is deemed "acceptable."
    
    So..I'll be working on this issue as Misha described here soon.
    
    You rawk.
    
    Peace,
    
    G|M

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    GeneriqueMediaposted 16 years ago

    Haha, it's good that you notice this.
    
    Self serving isn't a bad thing, being a pompous ass is though.
    
    And by the way, HubPages is the first of it's kind. Usually people hire magical dwarves.

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