Big Rig?

1. 61

   Gendarmeposted 13 years ago

   Can the hub traffic statistics be rigged? Can anyone explain how the numerical columns are computed? I am not too savvy with figures.

   replyreport
2. 63

   SandyMcCollumposted 13 years ago

   Gosh, this was asked two months ago. Nobody has an answer? I don't think they're rigged, but I don't know, myself, how to answer this. I think if you try to stack up your own numbers they will know... Bringing it back up.....

   replyreport
   1. 61

      Gendarmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Greater things have happened when dealing with computer matters, and I am glad that you have brought up a little history. I might not have been around long enough to know all of that. Perhaps it's my fault not to have done the necessary reasearch to discover things for myself. However, since I thought that one way of getting around reinventing the wheel was to ask someone, that was my reason for resorting to the forum. However, since it is a bother to ask questions freely, I will keep my interrogations to myself in future. How wrong I was in thinking that a forum was meant to meet and interact with people on common grounds!

      replyreport
3. 85

   KCC Big Countryposted 13 years ago

   If you're not too savvy then how have you determined they may be rigged? Rigged how? For what purpose?
   
   I really don't understand what you don't understand about the columns.  They are clearly marked.  It's a rolling 24 hours for day, etc.  It's not real time, there is a lag.  If you watch them regularly you can see how that comes into play.
   
   Do you have a more specific question?

   replyreport
   1. 61

      Gendarmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Where in my question have I intimated that the numbers may have been rigged? I simply asked a question, the answer for which would rule out that possibility. I don't know much about figures, but I have enough understanding to watch patterns. From my observation, when the hub traffic increases, the hub score also increases. Then suddenly I noticed that there was something ad hoc about one hub, in that the hub traffic stats was constantly on the increase, while the hubsore was constantly on the decrease. Do I not have a plausible reason to try and figure out the discrepancy? People have different experiences and levels of understanding about this different dimension in writing. If you think that any question that I pose is below your level of intelligence to address, then I strongly suggest that you forego it in future. Thank you.

      replyreport
      1. 0

         Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         wow. what the heck? every time I pop into the real question forums, I see wierd questions, and KCC actaully answering them, then gettting all ...ruded at...sheesh...?

         replyreport
      2. 85

         KCC Big Countryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Not too savvy in forum etiquette either, huh?  I was merely trying to help you.  My strong suggestion to you, is to be clearer about your actual question when posting to the forum and to be a bit more polite to those who try to help you.  You sent out the invitation.  We showed up to help.  Take what is helpful and discard the rest.  That's the way it works.

         replyreport
4. 63

   SandyMcCollumposted 13 years ago

   I don't think KCC was insulting you. I think the intention was that the numbers are directly related to how many ppl look at your hub, and probably can't be rigged. They may not reflect real time, but it catches up shortly. Rigging the page views wouldn't affect a hubber's income, so it wouldn't be fruitful to do for anyone.
   
   People here are meaning to help,  but tone of voice is hard to convey in writing. Don't be upset or discouraged as the main intention is to help.
   
   Have a good day!
   *S.

   replyreport
5. 71

   relacheposted 13 years ago

   Just because a Hub has an increase in traffic does not mean it's score will be going up.  Part of what influences that is quality of visitor interaction.
   
   You might have something that draws a lot of eyeballs but actually results in people leaving the Hub rather quickly as it's not what the title intimated, or the content is really poor quality.  Or maybe the visitors decide to give the Hub a thumb's down.  A hub that draws traffic and which results in visitors staying to read it and interacting positively is what's going to get a HubScore that goes up.
   
   It's not rigged...

   replyreport
   1. 61

      Gendarmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Again, let me reemphasize, I did not say that the hubscore was rigged, though I did not rule out the possibility. Depending on answers like yours I would draw my conclusion. I base my stance on the fact that the computer world is full of underhanded misdemeanors, and so I have to keep my eyes open in anything I do online. Let me also reiterate my observation. A hub was established. It kicked off moderately before picking up some speed.  The hubscore increased when I sent out over five hundred emails using my two email accounts. Then it plateaued while the traffic shot up significantly. I also stopped sending out emails and the traffic lulled. Then the hubscore started to increase while the traffic stood still. Then as soon as I started sending out emails again, the traffic went on the increase, and the hubscore started to plummet. That would confuse anybody!

      replyreport
      1. 0

         Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         your right, Im confused!!?? what were your emails and what does that have to do with...  "Can the hub traffic statistics be rigged? Can anyone explain how the numerical columns are computed? I am not too savvy with figures."
         I really thought you just didnt understand the columns...why would anyone, reading your original question, think you meant all....THAT??!!!
         To be clear, I have no idea what your talking about, and I am not trying to be rude. Just telling ya, Im confused...

         replyreport
         1. 61

            Gendarmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            As far as I wanted from posting this question it was a 'yes' or 'no' answer. Anything else was immaterial. I didn't have to explain anything what was going through my mind. It's either yes it can be rigged, or no it can't be rigged, or I don't know if it can be rigged. Now, from the look of it by the way people are skirting around the topic, it seems as if there is no conclusive answer. So my guess is as good as anyone else's. The other question about the columns is quite straightforward as well. If you have the time to indulge in a precis of the topic, or to refer me to somewhere that that topic has been addressed, that would have been great. I really never meant for this to be a diatribe.

            replyreport
            1. 0

               Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               ok sorry. My honset to goodness answer is... I have no idea if IS rigged. I am sure it CAN be rigged. I dont personally care one way or the other if it is or isnt. I felt as though your question got answered then you got mad and added to the question. I am sure I misunderstood something. Sorry.

               replyreport
            2. 0

               Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               http://hubpages.com/guide/stats/hubscore

               replyreport
            3. 71

               sunforgedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I dont think your guess is a good as anyone else's.
               
               Conclusive answer.
               
               No the stats are not rigged - use analytics a 3rd party stats program and see almost real time stats.
               
               The column layout is so blatantly obvious..im surprised people were able to stay so calm when you questioned their intelligence after asking such a question.
               
               What and who benefits from rigging the stats? How is that even a real question?
               
               is your real question, how is traffic related to hubscore? because that was answered for you too...and has been answered hundreds of times
               
               hubscore means so very little, the sooner you forget about it better..well, some of the things that would increase your hubscore, would benefit all your readers, currently you have big chunks of text with little to no formatting, no pictures, no links..no variety in general...adding these things will increase your individual hubscore.
               
               what makes me laugh is your current belief that your 500 emails led to "significant traffic" ...id wager you got less than 20 views as a result of those emails unless you are Vernon Augustus Brooks ..than I would say you got a better return but may be quickly diluting your respectability with such practices

               replyreport
      2. 71

         darksideposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         May I ask who the 500 emails were sent to?

         replyreport
         1. 0

            Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            you may, but Im not sure you'll get an answer. I was wonderingthe same thing.

            replyreport
         2. 61

            Gendarmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            If it really matters, to schools that might be interested in the topic since it was an academic issue.

            replyreport
            1. 71

               darksideposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               It does matter.
               
               You spammed 500 schools.

               replyreport
               1. 61

                  Gendarmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Now it's getting more interesting, as I wondered if that might have had something to do with my observation. But could you explain how deleterious that action was, please? And how that might have affected my standing?

                  replyreport
                  1. 71

                     darksideposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     It may have had an effect. Not direct. Not "I've sent out these 500 emails and the immediate result is I lose traffic". But it can quickly have an indirect effect.
                     
                     I'll assume you're new to the ways of the internet. So I'll explain a little background.
                     
                     The emails you sent out would be considered Unsolicited Bulk Email.
                     
                     Unsolicited, because they didn't ask for it. Bulk, because there's 500 of them.
                     
                     UBE, or spam, is a serious no-no on the internet. You might feel that you're doing them a service or a favour, but you're not. To them you're just another spammer.
                     
                     If you were to contact 500 people at HubPages and told them to check out your hub, you could likely get banned. When I get an email that is obviously bulk, I click on the 'spam' link at the bottom of the message. That flags it to the HP system.
                     
                     I'll speculate further... if say 10% of the recipients of your email reported you to HubPages HQ for the email you sent, best case scenario you'd get a very stern warning. Or an outright ban and account deletion.
                     
                     Generally speaking, this has nothing to do with traffic or HubScore. But I thought I'd bring it up so you can avoid making the same mistake again. As the results could effect your HubPage and Adsense accounts.

                     replyreport
                     1. 61

                        Gendarmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Thanks for your reply. I truly appreciate your time and effort. You have done great justice to my understanding of these operations.

                        replyreport
6. 0

   Justine76posted 13 years ago

   whats the importance of hubscore? I assumed it went up when people voted it up. If it was a high number, it would be more likely to be on google?

   replyreport
7. 0

   Justine76posted 13 years ago

   if anyone who can do this is reading, if it is possable to rig the numbers, I would like all my hub scores to be 69 please...

   replyreport
8. 0

   bloodnlatexposted 13 years ago

   I'm only good with numbers when it comes to my paycheck

   replyreport
9. 85

   KCC Big Countryposted 13 years ago

   I will point out that the title of your question is Big Rig?  Maybe that was my clue that you were implying they were rigged. 
   
   Thanks Justine.

   replyreport
   1. 0

      Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      HAHAHAHAHAH I only opened the thread becuase I actually thought it was going to be about trucks!! There seems to be a run on people asking obscure questions then jumpign down the throat of anyone who answers!! Oh well...

      replyreport