Considering that "our" universe is surrounded by limitless space, have you considered the possibility that Our "big bang" might be just 1 of countless others beyond our awareness?
I hope so qwark, for the good of the human race, I surely hope so. Another great subject matter by the way!
yes, i have, and i think that could be a possibility. energy and matter can 'materialize' out of nowhere, which is what caused the Big Bang, so why wouldn't it happen again, in another place?
perhaps .. we may not be the species, possibly out there..
I completely agree. I understand your feelings on matters of faith but I will submit this information of opinion from me. Creation and, yes, even the chain of gods and deity never end. The journey of this Earth is but one of a countless repeated scenarios necessary for progression. Sure, the big bang is but one of a countless number of creational starts.
Are you speaking from a religious point of view?...possibly as a "creationist?"
Not really. Just a point of view. I see it as going along with your statement. I view no limits to space or even the possibilities of creation that take place in it. Likewise, I believe in intelligent design and the endless chain of that authority, power and knowledge.
I'm a very curious guy.....lol and I dont mean i'm strange...:-)
I love input to consider.:-)
Can you explain why you believe in intelligent design.
If you try, pls try to use logic (proofs by reasoning) to explain rather than just opinion or guess...ok?
I doubt it would satisfy as logic is a point of view.
One little switch in one little muscle making gene is what enables the human brain to continue expanding and learning. That same muscle gene is also what creates a massive muscle on the cranium of a primate thus fusing the cranium together by the time it is three or four years of age preventing development. Given the potential in the difference in each of the brains it MUST be more than just "happenstance" that dictates the formation of the human body to fill the measure of it's spirit. It cannot be dependent on a simple gene that enables man to produce great works of art. It cannot be dependent on a simple gene that enables man to invoke justice on behalf of the innocent. How meaningless and minute our existence would be if it really was only dependent on our genes to define who we are.
On the contrary. I believe it is the Intelligent Design behind the genes and switches that invokes all things in motion and operates all creation on a level that we cannot possibly fathom to understand.
Logic is a point of view?
Logic is a science that deals with the rules and tests of sound thinking and proofs by reasoning.
You provided me with an opinion not based on logic.
I can, then, only consider that your reason is simply conjecture with no foundation in fact or reality, right?
If you say you "believe" in "intelligent design," that means to me that you accept that concept to be true. True? Factual?....and you can offer no logical foundation for that "belief?"
That is confusing.
Again, that would only be confusing to those who wish not to hear the foundation itself. I have my facts, my proofs and my grounded concepts. However, as explained a thousand times before these truths I have learned through the trial and error of my faith. This is something you don't like to hear and I understand that. It is the test of faith and the doctrines of that faith that I have come to understand the groundword and foundation of those doctrines. No, I cannot prove faith or the fruits of that faith to you or anyone else. That is something that only the self can learn.
Through the effort of working my beliefs and faith into something actionable I have been given further knowledge of the possibility of man and it's purpose, but only so far as I am ready to receive as of yet.
Not all things can, should or even ought to be explained through "logic" and mathematics. Most things in life that matter most are learned within and in a language unique to each of our spirits. It is the language of experience and time.
It's not like I would hear anyone of them. So why would I care ?
Possibly, but even our own universe is beyond human comprehension, so as Tantrum says....
Our universe may be just part of a molecule that comprises the material of a leg on a piece of furniture in the living room of someone in a big world of a larger planet in a larger solar system in a larger universe.
The reverse may also be true-- so if you visit me-- treat my furniture with respect.
I asked that kind of question earlier to inspire "hubbing" about the theory of everything...didnt get much to consider...check my question: Where is our universe.
I thought about this so long ago that I have stopped thinking about it much. It is outside of my sphere of influence., as are almost all things.
I read that many scientists now believe there are different dimensions. I've always wondered about that, too.
I have to agree.
The distance across just our milky way galaxy is about 100 k light years...thats 100k times 60 trillion earth miles and there are billions of galaxies in just our universe! Beyond that, I visualise the probability of countless other big bangs taking place at this very moment.
How far would it be for you to see that the Human race located in other Universes?
I remember a theory that space is actually not limitless. When the expansion caused by the big bang reaches the borders which mark the limitations, then and only then does the big collapse commence.
This theory was backed by a lot of credible evidence. I do not remember much of it. At that time I did not care at all. Now I do!
Yes, it has been studied and at one time is was called "the bubble universe theory." it would have been compared to shaking a bottle of pop that had no
activity in it but once invigorated...bubbles are produced....this could be happening in space beyond our awareness
This is a tough one. "Boundless" energy in itself is a misnomer because infinity is defined only as a value without a limit. It's also taken as the metaphorical cap to everything in the universe.
That doesn't stop it from being true, it just makes things extremely tricky. There is some limit to energy and some limit to matter in the universe, because then one could not be conserved when it is changed into the other.
How does this relate to multiple universes? Not very well aside from the fact that there are a limited number of multiple universes. Some exist as matter and some as energy and from that, take what you will.
pls expand on this: "...there are a limited number of multiple universes. Some exist as matter and some as energy and from that,..."
I'm sorry, I got a little wrapped up in thought back there.
What I meant is that there are a limited number of universes. There are those which exist as energy, or in this case, potential energy, which exist only as a possibility based upon the past or present. There are also materialized universes which physically exist.
For example, the one we live in is material. If you can conceive another universe, that is potential.
Of course, this example relies purely on your own perspective and therefore anything you image would be considered potential at this point.
(Even the proven existence of parallel universes could be considered mere potential in this thought.. But let's just assume that violates Occam's Razor.)
Been a long time since I have heard 'occam' razor" used in a chat...lol
"it is vain to do with more what can be done with less." I can remember this from my college days.
of course with nothing known about that which happens beyond our universe..."occam's Razor" is appropos.
It's still an interesting subject and the essence of being human is being curious.
I love to think of things outside the "box."
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