HP's place in the Maven World

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   Will Apseposted 5 years ago

   
   
   We are the thin yellow line, lol. That seems to disappear.
   
   https://www.thestreet.com/investing/mav … e-for-2020

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      Miebakagh57posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I think it posit writers aer oot very relevant!?

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         Will Apseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I don't think your keyboard is on your side, lol.

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      Miebakagh57posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Will, I think it posit writers as not being very relevant? Sorry for the keyboard issue.

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   DrMark1961posted 5 years ago

   Are you joking?The graph indicates that Saymedia and HP were separate in 2018 but by 2019 were part of Maven. As were Sports Illustrated and the Street from 2019 to 2020. And?

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      Will Apseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Not getting your point. Mind you, I don't entirely understand those graphs, either.

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         DrMark1961posted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry Will I really thought you were just joking about the absorption of Hubpages. The reason HP disappears, as do the others later on, is that they become part of Maven. The graph is just one visual to demonstrate operating expenses, and they want to show their potential investors that when they bought those other companies the total operating expenses went down. (Not totally honest because some of those savings are when they fired people working for other sites that they decided were now overlapped by people in other sites.)

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            Will Apseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            That last point might explain why we have no real progress on the Amazon issue. Or much communication. The only staff member left here seems to be Matt.
            
            In my imagination, one day they said to him, OK you are now entirely in charge of HP forums. After a few moments of panic, he agreed, on condition that he wasn't expected to read them.
            
            Or talk to anyone.

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               Solarasposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               I think Samantha makes an occasional happy peep over here.  I actually published a new hub a week or so ago, and someone did some editing on it, before posting it to a niche site. So there is that, but I get you drift.  It seems Paul is still President of Maven, so I guess that is keeping him busy.

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                  Will Apseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I am beginning to suspect that you are Paul's mom.

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               DrMark1961posted 5 years agoin reply to this

               I think you have to work COVID in there somewhere since it is now the cause of everything.
               More like "OK, due to the crisis, you are now entirely in charge of HP forums."

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   lobobrandonposted 5 years ago

   Say Media and HP do not disappear but they become a part of Maven, so the red and yellow from Q1-2018 are turned to blue in Q1-2019.

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      Will Apseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Ah, I see, absorbed.
      
      And what is operating leverage? And why is Mavens so much less than the former combined totals?

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         Marisa Writesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         That graph is their operating expenses. The graph illustrates how much it was costing the separate companies to operate, and compares that with how much it's costing now they are all part of Maven.
         
         It doesn't tell us anything about the health of Maven, it only tells us that they've been agressively cutting costs - which we already knew from all the publicity about Sports Illustrated. 
         
         I'm sure there would've been savings demanded of HubPages too, but given their costs were so tiny compared to their other holdings, I don't imagine it would've been much of a priority.

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   Solarasposted 5 years ago

   Curious chart.  Are these monthly, weekly or daily expenses.  I cannot imagine it is monthly; $350K to run SI, HP and The Maven platform?  Salaries of executives and programmers are typically included in the expenses.  The SI writers are salaried as well.

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      OldRosesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      The chart is in thousands, so $50,000 is actually 50,000 thousand whatever that works out to be.  Maybe $50,000,000?  I am math challenged.

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         DrMark1961posted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I do not know but I do not think that is correct. Their monthly expenses are less than 15 million. (I am lost here. I think we need to ask Maven for help on this one!)

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   jansharesposted 5 years ago

   So as long as we keep pumping out quality content, we're good? We will survive as HP Mavenettes?

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      Will Apseposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      The notion of being a Mavenette had me crossing my legs, but aside from that...
      
      I would read the page. The business speak is not too dense or jargon-laden.
      
      And it is optimistic. Everyone has had a pay cut, the axe has fallen on 31 tender necks but the company is reckoning on a being profitable by the end of the year, give or take a few caveats.
      
      I see the thinness of that HP line as an indication that not much growth is expected here. The Street and Sports Illustrated are carrying future hopes.
      
      But you know, with low operating costs (mainly the cost of Matt's snacks) even a small profit should keep us afloat.

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         jansharesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks for the info, Will. I'll keep doing my cross kicks, let the show continue to go on.

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      Miebakagh57posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      jans, you hit the nail right. It is our quality contents that keep HP rocking in mav! So, we're relevant and winners.

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         jansharesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I hope so.

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            Miebakagh57posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            jansha, you're welcomed. enjoy the week.

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   Susan Ngposted 5 years ago

   Sorry if this sounds stupid but, will we be given a heads up to download our articles if Hubpages does close down?
   
   And will our hubs that were transferred to their niche sites be affected?

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   Rochelle Frankposted 5 years ago

   To Susan: I don't have an answer to your question, but it is always a good idea to keep a copy or your articles. Most-- or at least many writers type out their articles in an application saved to their own computer, then  cut and paste their text into the HubPages format for publication.
   Copy your articles. They are yours and you should always have an original copy.

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      Susan Ngposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I used to save my hubs, but then I kept making changes straight from Hubpages so my saved versions would become obsolete. I'll save them again, thanks.

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         Rochelle Frankposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I know what you mean-- I revise and edit mine too, but it's still good to save your original at least.. and update if you can. You still own the rights.

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      Miebakagh57posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Rochelle, that said, then they is the question of computer/laptop being stolen, mother board inoperative, or any other technical issues rendering your device useless. This things has happen to me. And if HP is going down, I think we will be given opportunity to copy online? Thanks.

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      Philip Agutuposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Scrolling down this list, HP feels a drop in the ocean!

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         Marisa Writesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         No, because HubPages isn't just one site - several of those sites ARE HubPages sites.  And most of the other sites listed are smaller and less successful than a HubPages niche site.
         
         Maven doesn't own those other sites.  They are just websites and blogs run by individuals using Maven's platform and advertising system. The Maven website is coy about how it works - but I think it's a revenue-sharing arrangement, i.e. Maven manages the adverrtising and takes a cut of the revenue. It's not clear whether the site owner also has to pay a monthly fee for the service.
         
         You may recall at one point, there was talk of key Hubbers being invited to become Mavens, i.e. to start their own blog or site on Maven. This is where they would be listed (I'm guessing the ones with "maven.io" on the end are bloggers who are doing that).

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            Miebakagh57posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Marisawrites, this is enlighthening. I now recalled the invitation. It is prior to last year? I can not see HP on the list or has it been completely absorb by marven? If so, they should be association somehow like Marven- Hub? That is my thinking and not a suggestion.

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               Marisa Writesposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Like I said, that list is mostly of websites owned by individuals (although the HubPages niche sites are listed, for some reason). Maven does not own those websites.  Mostly they are small websites.
               
               The businesses which Maven OWNS, like HubPages, Sports Illustrated, etc, are not on that list.  As you know, HubPages is not just a website, it is a collection of sites.

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                  Philip Agutuposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks. I now see some HubPages niche sites in the list.

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      Miebakagh57posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Paradigms, what is the meaning of the listed websites and significance? Thanks.

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   bhattucposted 5 years ago

   Q1 , 2020 is an adverse time throughout the globe so reduction of revenue for the merged entity Maven is understandable. Let us see how it goes ahead.

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    paradigmsearchposted 5 years ago

    The source was Maven. Interesting the sites they omitted: A&E, HubPages, Medium, SportsIllustrated, others.

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    Marisa Writesposted 5 years ago

    Yes, I'm pretty sure that's because the sites listed are the ones that Maven doesn't own - they are the ones that use Maven's platform for their own sites on a revenue-share basis.  Different side of the business.  It's a bit confusing though, because they've listed HubPages niche sites too.
    
    Maven doesn't own Medium as far as I know.

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       Miebakagh57posted 5 years agoin reply to this

       Good to note. And thanks. I hope the 'calpyso' is so happy?

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    Rifathossain007posted 5 years ago

    Thanks

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    Danny Fernandesposted 5 years ago

    Hubpages is a specialized, niche website so there is no need for concern

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       DrMark1961posted 5 years agoin reply to this

       Wait, is it 2010 or 2020?

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          Miebakagh57posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Dr. Mark, you're welcomed on board again. This is 2020. HP has become more a niche specialized. Around 2010, HP nearly goes down the drain. It is the setting up high content/quality content sites that saves HP completely. I think I learnt that not long ago.

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    SANJAY LAKHANPALposted 5 years ago

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