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   Misbah786posted 2 years ago

   Hello Beautiful souls,
   
   I currently have 161 featured articles on HP. The majority of them are already on Network sites. A few of them have been in the editors' queue for about 9/10 months. Actually, there were more than 161 articles. Over the course of two months, I deleted nearly ten of my articles. I deleted them because I believe they were of poor quality. I need some suggestions: Is it a good idea to delete the articles that have been placed in the editor's queue, polish them up, and re-publish them? Has anyone of you ever tried it? If so, please can you share your experience. I want these articles to make it to niche sites as soon as possible because I've been waiting for them for a long time.
   
   Thank you so much!!

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      DrMark1961posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think if you try to unpublish an article and an editor is actually looking at it you cannot do so. If something has been in a queue for 9 months though go ahead and unpublish. If you are not allowed to do so contact the team and tell them you want to withdraw from editing.
      Can I make a suggestion about editing? Your titles could be improved to draw more traffic, and since the articles are already well written and interesting you would benefit the readers and yourself. For instance the article titled "Why do some people hear the voices of the dead" could be "How to learn to hear the voices of the dead". Use the same type of changes throughout, and instead of just teaching readers give them a chance to read your article and improve/change.
      Those changes are not going to work on Letterpile articles.
      The majority of my most successful articles are those that readers can use to change their lives (through their pets, of course). Just a recommendation, so please accept it or ignore it as you wish.

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         Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Dr. Mark, I truly appreciate your kindness. I believe the article about the voices of the dead needs much more work because the word count is quite low. I will definitely look into that article as soon as possible. Thank you so much for your helpful advice.

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      Amara Hassanposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Misbah I asked the same question a few months back from the staff..!! The criteria is somewhat like this..
      
      If you are getting good enough traffic to your article, there are chances that the team will edit the article, after reaching their required threshold, otherwise the article in their editing list is a tier above being rejected. If the articles are not getting traffic, they will mail you even after long wait of months that your article is rejected.
      
      I also had an article of mine in their editing list, but that's not getting good traffic, so I have already considered it rejected.. lolzz..

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         Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Interesting! Thank you so much for sharing your experience as well as this helpful information, Amara. I sincerely appreciate your help, dear sister.
         Take care and keep smiling.
         Many Blessings and Love as always!!

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            Amara Hassanposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Actually I got this info from staff.. Any time for you sweet sister, always a pleasure. :-)

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      GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Hello Misbah! I came here to check my articles on a busy day. I thought first of you--and a few others; but you have always been so open and kind. I hope you are doing well and hope to read what you've been writing in the year or so I've been gone. You were relatively new back then. I bet you're a real pro by now.

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         Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         GwennyOh, you are very kind. I truly missed seeing you around in the forums. You've always been extremely helpful to me. Yes, I was a noob back then. Lol! Thanks to you and many other friends and dear hubbers here for supporting me in growing so swiftly. I recall you undergoing surgery around a year ago. How is your health now? I hope everything is going well for you.
         Blessings and lots of love to you!!

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            GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Well, thanks for asking; that's thoughtful of you. I was warned after surgery (not before, lol) that bowels are rarely the same afer surgery. It's true. Intestinal surgery is a life-changer. I wish I'd listened back in the day, when people kept telling me I needed to drink more water. I had no idea how integral it was to good intestinal health.

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               Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Thank you for sharing that, Gwenny. I am also like you. I also drink very little water. I know this is bad for my health, but I can't help myself. I think I don't feel thirsty enough to drink 2 liters of water every day.

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                  GwennyOhposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  I get it. Well, I will peek in within the next few days and read some freinds' articles, and see what you've been up too, writing up a storm over there

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                     Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     Okay! It sounds good.

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   Glenn Stokposted 2 years ago

   Hi Misbah, First of all, I think you are doing quite well since many of your articles are already on niche sites. But to answer your question, I would say it’s best not to delete, but rather to unpublish. That way you keep the original url. And that gives you time to work on the article later to improve it.
   
   Then when you reset it to published mode, it will once again be reviewed by the editors. When you work on any article, either new or updating, review the Editorial Policy of the niche site you plan to have it on. I found that always worked for me to get onto the niche sites.
   
   The link to the Editorial Policy is at the bottom of all the niche sites. Each one I has it’s own policy. They are all different since they relate to the niche subject.
   
   One last thing, the tutorial for writing stellar quality articles, which is what the editors want for the niche sites, is a useful guide, and you can find that here: https://hubpageshelp.com/content/Learni … tellar-Hub
   
   Keep up the good work. You definitely have the right attitude!

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      Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you so much for your time and valuable advice, Mr. Glenn. I sincerely appreciate it very much. What makes me want to delete the hub is the message the editors always include in their emails, in one of the two options, that says:
      
      Edit the article yourself. If you choose this route, you will need to make major improvements. Resubmitting the article without substantial changes (or submitting to a different Network Site) will result in the article being removed from our editing queue and rejected instead.
      
      To be honest, this gives me goosebumps.  I really wonder if the editors recheck our articles after we edit them. I doubt it, because whenever I have made major changes to my articles on niche sites, they have never complained about the changes made.
      
      Once again, thank you so much!!
      Enjoy your weekend.
      Best wishes and Blessings!!

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         Glenn Stokposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Misbah, that quote stating that articles without substantial changes will result in being removed from the queue or rejected, is there for a reason. When someone merely changes a few words or just the title, it gives the editors extra unnecessary work. That’s because they do review all modified articles. I know that because once in a while they catch a typo I missed.
         
         Whenever I change a title, I do much more… I always review the entire content, and I always find ways to improve my old articles. Sometimes changing the way I explain things and sometimes adding additional information from my research.
         
         Thee is always more to do that I notice when I review my old articles. So don’t be hesitant to keep your articles fresh with content.

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      DrMark1961posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      If you unpublish instead of deleting I do not think Google Will give new page rank. Am I wrong?
      Being on a niche site but only on the third or fourth search page means no traffic.
      I think it is better to delete

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         Ben716posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         I have unpublished several articles. Some of the unpublished articles that I republished received increased views, and were ranked higher, whilst others lost place in the first five search results pages. I think the probability of an article ranking well after being republished depends with how the article was fairing prior to unpublishing it.
         
         I have also noted that at times, as you've noted, deleting an article is the better option.

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            DrMark1961posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks for that info. Maybe the best advice is to delete the article if it has almost no traffic, unpublish and edit if it is still ranking okay?
            I did very severe editing on a few articles this past month but since they had no traffic to begin with they did not improve.

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               Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Dr. Mark, thank you so much for your valuable and helpful advice. I had an article about winter sports on SkyAboveUs that did very well during the season. Due to low traffic, the editors pushed it back to HubPages a few days ago. I am not sure why... I mean, who searches for winter sports in the summer?
               
               I believe editors should think twice before taking such actions, as the article was ranking on the first page of Google.
               
               Best wishes to you!!

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                  Olealeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Wait,  so editors can push it back?  What does pushing it back means?  Like deleting it?

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                     Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     Hello Olealea,
                     HubPages editors routinely look through articles and assess if they still meet site standards and receive organic search traffic. If the article does not perform well on the Niche site, editors can move it to HubPages. They don't delete it. Don't worry! You can always edit your articles and resubmit them to network sites.
                     
                     Best Wishes and Welcome to HP!!

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                        Olealeaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                        What's a niche site? Thanks!  I'm looking forward to learn to use hubpages.  I'm new here... ☺

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                           Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                           A niche site (network sites) deals with a topic within a market. Most of the time, the focus is on a certain area, such as a health, mental health, creative writing, history, or a solution to a problem, etc. HubPages has a variety of niches that they call "Network Sites." You can write for any niche once you sign up and become a member.
                           
                           Please read this article:
                           
                           https://discover.hubpages.com/community … iche-sites
                           
                           Also visit this :
                           https://discover.hubpages.com/
                           
                           
                           Hope it helps

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               Ben716posted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, Dr Mark1961. It's better to delete articles that were not getting views than republishing them. I did that with an article that was receiving a single view every month. I re-edited it, and republished, reworked it again, and republished, but it never worked. Ultimately, I unpublished it, and left it in that state until I gain an insight on how to better approach that article, and publish it as a new article. I reworked two other articles that weren't getting enough traffic, but in vain.
               
               I unpublished a novel because it contained grammatical errors (including misuse of words), and was receiving fewer views. I reworked it, and, bingo, the article is receiving a satisfactory views (even if it's not impressive). Towards the end of school terms, the article receives a spike of views whilst on other days, it gets not 'bad' views. And, the article isn't published on a niche site because of similar works published there, including two of mine. I have done this with other 'doing-good' articles and have seen some improvement.

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               Glenn Stokposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               DrMark, when you did that severe editing, as you said, did you review the Editorial Policy of the niche site it was on? I do that to remind myself what they want whenever I update old articles. It helps me stay focused on the theme and that also seems to help with Google ranking.

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            Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks for sharing this helpful information, Ben.

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               Ben716posted 2 years agoin reply to this

               I can relate to your situation on articles being moved from a niche site to Hubpages.
               
               One of the vertical sites policy is that if an article is not receiving impressive views, it has no place in the niche sites. One, without warning, was moved from a niche site to Hubpages. It wasn't getting enough traffic. I received an email for another one to work on it so it can be relevant to the current state of the subject. That was an article I didn't know how to rework because it's a political subject on election. That was understandable but I don't agree with them not accepting articles that aren't receiving the required views. That's why there are tons of quality articles sitting on Hubpages (Discover). They didn't make on niche sites because they weren't getting satisfactory views.

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                  Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  They switched it from a niche site to HubPages without any warning, but even if they had, I don't think there was any way I could convince people to read about winter sports in the summer. Lol! It's not fair, in my opinion. I have two articles on Bellatory about make-up and hairdos for Halloween, but I'm not sure who will read them during the rest of the year other than in October. Will they also move it back to HubPages? If that's the case, it's not fair at all!

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                     Ben716posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     There are plenty of seasonal articles on niche sites. They don't move seasonal articles back to Hubpages if they've been doing well during the seasonal period. Unless they don't meet other editorial policy requirements, they can be moved. One of my articles was seasonal buy did receive an email to work on it so it can be relevant with the current state of affairs as it's related to politics.

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                        Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                        I see. Thank you so much, Ben
                        Best wishes!

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         Glenn Stokposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         DrMark, Google keeps checking the URL for many months later to see if the article is ever republished. I know that because I monitor the 404 errors on my author site when I delete a page, and I see Google bots looking for it.
         
         As for ranking, I have no idea if it starts over or continues with prior ranking. So I can’t answer that one, since I never put back a page I removed from my site.
         
         As for deleting vs. unpublishing articles on HubPages, the problem is that if it was stolen and you delete, you can lose the copyright protection to it. Therefore, it's best to keep the URL available if you ever want to republish after modifying. That’s why I suggest avoiding deleting.

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            DrMark1961posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            If an article is only getting a few views a month since it is buried on page 10, copying and a copyright is the least of the issues.

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               Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

               I agree with that, Dr. Mark.

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            Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I understand that, Mr. Glenn. Losing copyright protection can be very frustrating.

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   Ben716posted 2 years ago

   As Glen has said, don't delete your articles. Unpublish them, work on them, then republish.
   
   There was an article I submitted for inclusion at one of the niche sites. I waited for more than a month. I unpublished it, edited a bit, republished, then after a few months unpublished it. I noted it needed some editing particularly the grammar aspect.
   
   I have unpublished more than 20 articles. Some aren't getting traffic, others are poor of quality, and others were published prior to 2015 so they need new information.

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      Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you so much, Ben, for your kind and detailed response as well as for sharing your experience with me. I appreciate it very much!!
      Have a great day!!
      Best wishes and Blessings!!

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   Olealeaposted 2 years ago

   What is a niche site? I would like to get my article to be published too

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      Ben716posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      A niche site is website that publishes articles, poems, stories, on a specific category. For instance, there is Pairedlife. Articles published there relate to subjects on relationships and friendship.
      
      If you want your article to be published on a niche site, write a quality article. If the article is featured on Hubpages, you can submit it for consideration on a niche site.

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   Peggy Wposted 2 years ago

   Hi Misbah,  I tend to agree with those who advised unpublishing instead of deleting an article, unless you really dislike and never intend to improve the article.  That being said, I have deleted a few.  One was political, but written in jest.  Some people thought I was serious.  Live and learn!  Ha!

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      Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience with me on this topic, Peggy. I truly appreciate it very much!
      Blessings and Love as always

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   Misbah786posted 2 years ago

   Thank you for your time and suggestions, everyone. I truly appreciate your help. I've decided to unpublish those articles, polish, and republish them. But I think I shall also try to delete one of those articles and publish it as new as I like DrMark's response that it's preferable to delete it and republish it as new if the article is buried somewhere on page 10 of the search engine. I think there's no harm in trying.
   Best wishes and Blessings to all!

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   Jodahposted 2 years ago

   Last week I submitted an article to a niche site and it was moved (along with a another article mentioned in it) within two days. I was notified that another old article was almost perfect for Owlcation but needed a few tweaks, which I did. It seems like the editing staff are very active at present, so hopefully your articles won’t be too much longer in queue.

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      Misbah786posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That's great news, John. Thank you so much for sharing. I am happy for you. 
      Blessings always!!

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