How should we measure 'Success?'
Here is a Hub Pages 'Writer'
A REAL SUCCESS STORY..... A REAL WRITER!
Why did I ever Believe that Writing was a purer form than this?
I feel I may have to lower my ethics to become a REAL WRITER.
I can just pretend and multiply that pretense by 2686 hubs.
2686 hubs x 3 impressions per hub = 8055 impressions per day
8055 x 7 = 56385 per week.. or
244,335 per month.
244,335 x 14 months = 3,420,690 Impressions in total for the last 14 months
- HP's Slice
= 2,052,414 - NOW THAT'S SUCCESSFUL WRITING!
Hell But that's only 1,368,276 for HP - Yet that's pretty Successful
Just 22554 per week working SUCCESSFULLY FOR HP
No Wonder I am an UNsuccessful Writer - I DON'T PRETEND!
I Don't Put a Hub on the Net Pretending to be XYZ. com or Yahooooo. Com - Just so that I can Catch unsuspecting Googlers who will then click on the Impressions that are, as with the income derived from them... shared with HP. (albeit deceptively?)
I Wonder How GREAT WRITERS Like This LOOK to Google and co?
I Wonder because Google is also successful at sharing adsense income with Great Writers and Great Sites that can Successfully do this BS...
I think I will start Researching this SUCCESS Stuff.. I'm sure I will shed a lot of light on this SUCCESS FORMULA...
Wow... Imagine a peanut like me, believing that Writing was Special
I wonder if you have to be a GREEDY Writer with No Ethics, to be SUCCESSFUL?
There is no way they can outrank the real website. I checked a bunch of their SEO stats and their hubpages aren't on the first 3 or 4 pages of google, so they aren't taking direct search traffic. My guess, is they are using other linkbuilding tools to bring in direct traffic from blogs and social sites, bypassing google all together. I see nothing wrong with that.
Surely a hubber with all those hubs who can only manage a hubber score of 35 should be culled?
I read a couple of those so called hubs, and no wonder they can churn them out at such a rate, and they are also taking traffic from the sites rightful owners, as well as duping searchers.
I don't want to be harsh, and maybe these hubs make money, but for HP to retain any credibility this type of dross needs to go.
Maybe new hubbers should be given a certain time to get their hubber score up to a certain level, if they don't they get a warning to shape up and if they fail to get their act together their account should be deleted?
And is there some way of stopping the use of www companyname in a title and url?
That really is pants and should be banned .... I wonder if he contacted these compoanies and offered to write an article for them for a small fee though .. probably a good way to make money with a lot of potential HB viewers but for HP credibility he should go
check this one as well: hubpages.com/profile/yahooooo (so no backlink for him/her)
I think this person related, or probably twins
their Dlnet.Delta.Com hub are very similar.
The figures work for HP..
Why would they slay a golden goose when they can ruin a poet?
They KNOW.. And They KNOW that they have hundreds of These 'Writers' on the site!
But they are earners and they are Linkers which give HP a certain degree of 'Credibility' doesn't it?
Lots of HP 'WRITERS' - Pull this type of traffic stunt.. HP Reward them for it! They are 'Linkers' and some newbies here think are GREAT WRITERS!
This one must have had nearly 10,000,000 views in 18 months - From Scalping the traffic of legitimate companies.. If they tried it with my company in such a way - I would Sue their butts and get an injunction against the hosting site who are legally equally culpable - irrespective of hollow claims to the contrary!
I would think that that very point should be a good enough reason to Take Down this BS - right across the board and with those copycat hotshots that also do this stuff!
Not a Pretty Picture... when you consider that some joined this site to try to earn extra income after loosing their properties to thieving bankers who used stunts like this to over inflate their true positions and asset values!
But is it the internet equivalent of something like diet pills - gives good results at first, but could kill you in the end?
Sure, maybe that is exactly the problem, but it also depends on what one's ethics are doesn't it?
This is what is taunted as Successful Writing?
As you can see - is certainly can be financially Successful!
I think perhaps Bona Fide Writers have provided the front for this backroom exercise?
Irrespective of ANY Justification... it is Wrong, Deceptive and it is not acceptable by any standards promoted here or anywhere else... Why would you risk the futures of so many people with this BS?
This forum is getting pretty negative at the moment. At the end of the day, no one HAS to post on hubpages. If you don't like how it does business... go elsewhere.
I don't think that it is negative to want HubPages to strive to be the best writing platform that it can be
What that platform is will always fluctuate and change over time, and different hubbers will have different opinions. That's what the debate is open for
But, in purely my opinion, the hubs we are discussing are a negative. Welcome for anyone to put their opinion forward as to why they are a good thing for HP, as there may be loads of factors that I am not aware of. But if the question is never asked, how can we learn?
But we have all taken a big knock lately, and as I am a huge fan of HP I am willing to adapt and change so that the site can remain successful and move forward
There is a difference between constructive criticism and striving to improve the quality of a site, and accusing people of being dishonest or lying. And, Pearldiver is accusing both hubpages and ibuxxup of being dishonest.
Hubpages has known about this user for months.
If Pearldiver believes that hubpages is dishonest... I really don't see why he or she would want to post here.
I don't think that was being said. I think HP is in the midst of defining quality and working to make sure that their own policies can be uniformly enforced.
I am in full support of identifying articles and hubbers that the community believes may be considered substandard. Talking about them feeds the conversation and may help HP identify methods and criteria for making the site better in the future.
My personal opinion is that they should not implement these changes until they have thoroughly and completely reviewed the proposals.
In the mean time, I hope HP appreciates the communities discussions on what our views of substandard may be.
Wow! An impressive, results-oriented hubber that one is! Over one million views. I can't say that this is what I would consider quality writing...
RyanKett posted about this guy a while ago http://hubpages.com/profile/Writers with a whopping 10 million views doing something similar. Check out the comments!
They sure make my strategy look dismal.
Those hub titles are deceptive. I've never understood how writers think that's ok. I hope the profile has been flagged. Last week another hubber with over 1800 hubs was flagged and banned - the hubs were keyword stuffed.
These type hubs have been brought to the attention of HP staff for a couple of weeks now. It would be nice if someone from staff addressed the concerns of the writers concerning this problem. Real nice!
I don't understand how someone who writes hubs with titles like toysrus.com and mcdonalds.com can get away with it. I mean, if they wanted to write a review of Toys R Us, fine, but not with a title like toysrus.com. It's just too deceptive.
The thing is, though, that he has well over 3000 hubs. With that many hubs, getting a million views is almost cake. Don't look at the million number alone... look at the number of hubs. It's kind of blah -- I mean, he averages only about 370 views IN ALL per hub.
I average waaaaaaay more than that per hub.
It comes to asking the question, "How do you measure success?"
Is success someone like him who mills out a billion hubs and gets very little traffic per each?
Or is success someone who produces quality hubs that receive MORE traffic per each, but less overall views (because of much few hubs)
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