Why is thread high jacking amd derailing activity allowed to run rampant? You can't discuss a religious subject without three or four hecklers posting just to sneer, jeer, make snide remarks and generally foul up and clutter.
Why not provide an ignore button so one doesn’t have to see all those inane remarks? Better yet, why permit them in the first place?
It reduces the quality of this website by making intelligent conversation difficult since intelligent conversation is constantly interrupted by some duffus with manure for brains.
I would like an ignore button too, like they had on AOL. Then you can't even see what the ignored person posts. Avoids a lot of trouble.
If you want a religious channel that does not allow opposing views then you should go to a religious site.
As you are clearly a religious sock puppet, with your intimate knowledge of these forums and only here 2 hours, then I would suggest you go to another site that deals only in religious nonsense as quickly as possible.
Been here 4 hours and you run the place.
they could do what other sites do with forums, where people can vote up or down each individual post. If the post receives too many negative votes, then it becomes invisible unless the user chooses to see it by pressing "see full comment" or something. that might work.
From what I've seen of this kind of thing--no, it doesn't equate to that. Only the very obvious jerks and their cruel remarks are voted down by the majority. Sure some people vote down things they don't agree with, but all in all, most don't judge by opposing viewpoints at all.
how would that equate to a mob rule? besides, it works well on other websites like youtube and superherohype to name a few.
I think, there are those on this site who would vote down simply because they don't agree. That is, to me, censorship by mob.
I honestly don't understand the problem. Hijacking a thread is a group effort and it is only hijacked for the amount of time the group choses to remain off topic. It isn't an individual act. All parties in the discussion contribute. If you don't like a reply to your post; don't respond. That is the end of it.
I just think it is wrong to expect Hub Pages to come up with some way to appease people who are admitting that they can't control themselves.
Well that's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it. However, I debate with people all the time on various movie sites, and youtube as well, and many of them have the voting system that I mentioned in place, and it seems to work just fine. As Tamcor pointed out, majority of the sites that I notice that use them, the only comments that get voted down often are the ones that are rude and distasteful. Sure, some people might vote down a comment they don't agree with, but the census majority doesn't tend to vote on comments that disagree with their point of view. Plus, people can always vote up your comment too, so in a way, it balances out.
However, I can understand your opinion, but from my experience in forums that use this voting system, it does work. granted, it doesn't curtail people from arguing completely, but it might help alleviate the problem that some hubbers claim that they can't seem to resist debating a person that posts up a comment that conflicts with their ideals.
Steven, your examples are from sites that are discussing entertainment. That is a completely different animal than what this OP is referring to. This request for a change is a blatant attempt to impose a ban on opposing views when it comes to religion.
Why, in the world, would we put ourselves in that position? You are almost asking people to police this site. I don't think it should be up to anyone to vote up, or down, a post.
Your comment that it might help alleviate the problem that some hubbers claim that they can't seem to resist debating a person that posts up a comment that conflicts with their ideals is exactly what I am talking about. Exactly when did it become necessary to create policy to appease people who won't control themselves? If people post, they choose to. They are adults. I could certainly understand the need for control if we had children running around, or if we are going to start treating adults as children.
Well to be fair, there are quite a few youtube videos that do talk about religion too, and those comments can get a bit out of control as well. However, majority of the comments voted down are often the ones that are mean spirited or use a lot of vulgarities.
Well it depends on how you look at it. I'm not saying that we should punish people for having their own point of view, nor am I saying it shouldn't be allowed. However, from the amount of complaints from these forums about religious debates, I'm sure you can agree with me that something has to be done. Otherwise, this is only going to get worse, as neither side listens to the other majority of the time, and the arguments get recycled repeatedly. Sure, some of the key players may change, and the words might be slightly different, but it's still the same recycled argument as before. Nobody listens to the other, and nothing gets resolved.
The point is that something needs to be done. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you completely that it's really each users fault for participating in said forum in the first place, and that we should be able to control ourselves like adults, but it seems many are unable to control themselves, as some feel it's their moral obligation to fight against views that conflict with theirs religiously and/or politically.
Well like I said, it's just a suggestion. If you don't agree with it, then that's your business. As far asking hubbers to police this site, don't many of them do that anyway? the last time I checked..if you messed with certain hubbers here, then all their friends and followers seemingly gang up on the person. Not naming anyone in particular, but just stating an observation.
Again, I'm merely offering a suggestion that I've seen used on other sites. Personally, I don't see how this voting system would make any hubber feel like children, but again, it's a matter of opinion.
Like I said earlier, I do agree with you that ultimately the responsibility falls upon the user, but it's becoming apparent that most users on here can't control themselves. Therefore, something needs to be done. Granted, I'm not saying that this voting system would be the best way to go, but it's merely a suggestion on one of things that hubpages could do.
You've been here longer, so maybe you are in a better position to judge. I simply find it sad to see rules and regulations imposed because some people feel that: if they can't shove their opinion down your throat, they need to shove you out of the conversation. That is what I see as the OP's ultimate goal.
And there are more radical christian posters than there are opposing views. So, it isn't difficult to see how this will play out.
It's not just to appease those who post...I very seldom post in the religious threads anymore, because of the nastiness that gets thrown around, but I do read them, if the original topic sounds interesting.
But it gets so old, having to "sort through" all the typical scorn-filled posts sometimes, just to read the ones that actually pertain to the thread.
Of course, that problem wouldn't be curtailed with having an vote up/down option, I guess, because I wouldn't automatically vote them all down, even if they are annoying to read over and over...that's probably where the "ignore" button would come in handy.
From the boards and forums I personally have been on, most of them offer some option for dealing with that problem, so it's not like it's a rare thing for sites to offer.
You know, if they decided to implement something like that, I think the only fair thing to do would be to limit the number of times a Hubber could vote down within a given time frame. That way, the radicals couldn't simply run about voting everything they didn't like down. It would force people to use some discretion and only vote when they were seriously offended, or another Hubber was obviously only there to disrupt.
Well, from the ones I've seen, you CAN only vote once on each comment. It isn't like on the hubs here, where you can vote up or down...leave the page, then come back and do it again. So at least that would prevent one person voting one comment down numerous times.
On the Ebay discussion forums, someone who signs in with an anonymous name, with very little or no feedback score, is only allowed to post a certain number of times per day. That might help here, with all the "sock puppets" that pop up, who knows?
It's a sock puppet who started this thread. But, I didn't mean one vote per post. I meant one poster voting down everything they came across that didn't match their narrow view point.The radicals among the religious would do that. There's no doubt.
lol...I know the OP was a sock puppet.
And I did realize what you were talking about--I was just discussing the various options that I've seen out there, in reference to what you were saying.
Even if a religious radical -- or UN-religious radical(to be fair here)-- DID go down the line voting comments down, all in all it wouldn't matter. Like I mentioned before, usually all comments that get overwhelmingly voted down and then hidden, are NOT the ones on personal views--they are the ones from the jerks and idiots who only come on to make inflammatory remarks.
There really is no one easy answer to this, I guess, but honestly, it just gets sooooo old, reading the same attacks, over and over and over again....
I agree. It does get old and I guess I'm on the opposite side of the fence from you. The radicals on both sides are what they are.
I just have an aversion to the thought of having to go around and vote posts up, to ensure they remain available for view. I would never vote down. I honestly believe everyone has a right to speak their mind, even if it appears to be stuck in a rut. I like to think discussion will help all of us see the issues from different angles and move forward in our thinking.
I think we're both on the same side of the fence, as far as wanting to move forward in our thinking...I just wish everyone else felt the same way, lol...
I don't mind reading opposing viewpoints--I just don't like having it delivered in the nasty ways some people do it...such as when someone comes on a thread and tries to cause dissension when a good, calm discussion is going on from both sides up until then...
I have to say, I hate the thumbs up/thumbs down feature on forums and I hope it never gets introduced here.
what if you just ignored them yourself like your own button?
yes they will find you just because! you cant run you cant hide but what do you do you defend yourself at every cost! and make your defence,because words they can be very powerfull if its the truth and they dont like the truth , like the class cown in a class room pokes fun at the serious student and recruites more like his self to boost his eagle up , but what happens does he learn any thing no because he was so busy being the class clown !others have moved on to better things and graduated! yes people talk complain why you believe somthing ! try to make you the bad guy, they are not productive or can contribute to nothing but a argument! that works for them! like i told some one before, dont like my committ turn the channel ! thats your free will!
Thread-jacking is listed as a flaggable forum offense. Are you reporting this sort of stuff to the moderators or just complaining in the hopes that someone else deals with it?
So, how would this ignore button work? When you set up the OP, would you chose names of hubbers you don't like; so their comments wouldn't post to the thread? Or, would you read the comments, then click ignore; so certain hubbers could know they were being snubbed?
I would think an adult could probably make a judgment call as to who they wanted to converse with, and simply ignore any others; without needing a special button. But, that's just me.
I wouldn't say no to an ignore button. Not for people who disagree with me but those annoying people who never let an argument end...
It does take two to keep an argument going...
I like your style never let and argument end ! why because the last word means powers.they feel that what they say rather you be right or wrong ,they do not like truth ,and you said it! so they shoot your commit down because they did not agree with them ! here join or be burned sorry there are other choices ! how about stand for the truth ,I can live with that!
I'm sorry. I've read your posts, the whole of twelve days that you've been here. You are not a shrinking flower. You've posted quite provocatively. Why do you feel we should allow this, with no right for an opposing view to post?
if you notice it would not be a forum, there is always two sides to the story no problem ! the problem when it becomes harrassment ! thats when I have a problem! when some all ways opposes you no matter what , no matter what you say because you said something they did not like ,come on now , every commit cannot be wrong! but if thats what you want to do ! it gets to very clear ! you are being a victim, if the teacher gives you a grade of F everytime you do your class work ! you have to question ,something more is behind the reason! thats what i am saying and you know so when the the teacher follows you to the next class and has a negative input on you there ! get the point! I like people to converse with me! not poke fun or harrass me just because , so they make it personal!
See, you strike me as the type you are complaining about. I realize you don't think you are, but that's your side of the fence. I would never vote you down, simply because I don't feel it is possible to converse with you on the subject of religion.
Complaining about those we don't understand gets us nowhere. Blocking them from the conversation ensures we'll never understand one another.
never said anything about blocking no one, forum is for all views ! problem is when those take your views and harrass you with it ! say your peace ! and let me say mine but dont poke fun or follow me to another post to poke fun and harras me there because its personal! I so complaint should be address if you think some one is doing somthing other than giving a view ! for example some one said I will kill you If you say anthing about God killing ! well thats when it can get personal, what do think if I had said it to you! you think some one should egnore his committ ,take it as joke! I wouldnt! and some one did address this committ as a threat! the person said he was sorry! case close for now! but the point people can cross the line.this is what I am saying!
Your posts are really difficult to follow, but I think you said your complaint garnered an apology. Everyone steps across the line at times. If the hubber apologized, that's a great deal more than I've ever gotten from a religious poster when they are out of line.
But, whatever happens with this issue will happen. My piddly views won't be taken into account by the Hub Pages staff. Which may be for the best.
Are you planning to write anything here or simply complain about the forums? This is a writer's site, you know.
She/He is a sock puppet... I've said it before. I honestly believe an atheist sock puppet.
Well this forum is just I wrote about ! complaint to you is my view ! and this is the topic! so what are you talking about?
see thats what I mean name calling! because of my views ! yes you said it before but why!
see thats what I mean! calling me a name ! and giving me a label ! that does not apply to me! what a great example! you said this before on the other forum! and right now we are talking about something else! and the word atheist is mention hear Not the subject !
Hey Kiss andTales,
Please to try to write coherent sentences. Your grammar and sentence structure makes you appears as a 5th grader. So with that said, how old are you?
old enough to talk to you! and you understand!and if you are looking for an answer regardless of the Grammar and sentence break up! if this bothers you why ask a question from the source! if you can not understand ! because you can understand ! the focus of point here has nothing to do with my sentence !it has to do with you right now getting off the subject we are talking about!
I asked about your age because Hubpages has rules with regards to age. And, as for reading your posts....it's difficult, but not impossible.
I'm trying to help you see that I'm not the only one who has a problem with your post, like Emile already stated. As for getting off topic, it happens from time to time, so grow up.
you might have a problem with my post because of grammar ! but your feedback tells me you understand ! so that tells me right now its not my grammar it deversion from the subject of point! yes it does happen, but it is obvious that that was your point !and I am sure you would not discuss suject with five year old who could not understand what you are saying ! so perhaps that was your point for saying it in the first place! now back to the subject!
Boy you have a problem. It's either ego driven or just a refusal to understand. I said it wasn't impossible to understand your post, but is difficult. What part did you NOT understand about my post. You put "!" where there shouldn't be any. You do in parts of sentences it shouldn't be placed in.
I haven't been off the subject. You talk about hi-jacking a thread, yet you fail to realize that your own actions and poor sentence structure forces the topic off subject. Again grow up.
Honestly? Please remember that you asked.
Firstly, no one joins HP just for kicks. We aren't the happening place to go on the internet... People join to write and find the forums in the process. No hubs means no purpose to be here. Therefore, Sock Puppet
Secondly, the poor grammar and constant exclamation marks scream "uneducated and unintelligent" but they aren't consistent with word choices and spelling. Grammatical errors, even among ESL aren't as consistent as yours are. The fact that you acknowledge broken sentences also shows that you know they are wrong. In short, you are purposely trying to look less educated than you truly are.
So why is that? Well, if you truly supported what you were talking about then you wouldn't be trying to act LESS intelligent than you really were.
Thirdly, your rants are so completely stereotypical of the view of the "brainwashed Christian" that they lack any type of personality. People don't work like that. Even the most militant fighters for a cause show individuality, because whatever the cause is it isn't the whole of the person. Your postings are two dimensional... like a poorly developed character in a fiction piece.
Ergo, my assumption is that you are 1. A sock puppet 2. someone who is opposed to religion 3. someone with a limited view of human behavior and 4. someone who definitely needs to work on character development if you are ever going to write fiction....
If you are right, then excellent deductive skills. If you're wrong, that was a rather lengthy insult.
LOL, I know right. (about the possibility of insult)
I am 99 percent certain I am correct about purposeful alteration of writing patterns. It is insanely difficult to convincingly change language patterns. Most people that are trying to do such obviously overdo it. The purpose of that alteration is less identifiable... I'll go with 75 percent sure on that.
words comming from you work for you ! you say many things and yet what I get from is lashing about christains ,and behavior, and this person you have just descibe ,you only know on printed page some days , and I would know myself better , have live withmyself all my life ,so what can you tell ,me about myself ,you are right about grammer no excuses ! but just the same the thought is the same!if thats all you get , from this forum ,well i am glad i am not you ,but it will not change my view of you and others that attack others because of their view ,if that what can contribute to a post is to bash and get personal then you have lost sight of the point of forum! now the subject is about me personaly! I do not deserve this much attention! thank you far caring! peace .
This is the last post I will make on this, but you do realize that you just changed your style to correct for my analysis? Ditched exclamation points for commas and misspelled words (most obviously grammar) that you had spelled correctly before (which since it is one of the most misspelled words in the English language is really telling). You also "dumbed down" your vocabulary choices... in other posts you used words such as "feedback, harassment, negative" that are at a level of vocabulary that is higher than your altered grammar patterns. You also capitalized the single F (as a grade) in one of your posts which is likely instinctual for your normal writing but is inconsistent with your purposeful non-capitalization of the first word of the sentences.
Forensic language is such an interesting field. Did you realize that it's offered in many English programs-especially those English programs that aren't aimed at Education degrees?
I'm done now.
point well said, now we can communicate Yes I have made many errors ,just need more grammar education ,that does not change my thought of view. I read your your post! I do not look for errors on other post because I could loose sight of the point! I think you get my point of view because you have given feed back on it! I think you have an issues with christain just because I post on this page I realy never said I was a christain ,but I have expressed my views! I do believe there is Good and bad to every situation in the world,yet what we decide to do and become is up to us! so why get personal, it could be that you do not like some ones elses choices! and freedom of speech! but you want them to accept yours !I do know nothing about you personaly only that your pic is nice and you are a supportive person ! great, I like that in people, peace!
Punctuation, too. Why are you using exclamation marks all the time?
Are you yelling at us?
no just to express on page how I feel ! stessing a point in view of subject.because when I write a post I write as I think in typing some time I can my errors before I push the button to post , then later I see when I go back to read I see my error! I think that the subject is not lost ,just like some one who writes in short hand! others will and can get the point!
Having read through this boring thread I think you have got it spot-on right.
This type of sock-puppet and the christian "who has cancer so must not be criticised" are my pet hates here in the threads. Followed shortly after by the christian who claims to be converted by some made-up miracle, praise the lordy lordy.
People need to check their maturity before posting. That would alleviate many of the ill feelings that come from religion discussions on this site. I've stayed out of them after experiencing 'haha you like god haha' a few times.
I can;t help but agree with the OP
Speaking of which.. who else here thinks the Leafs will win the Cup this year?
So what happens with such a system? The side with the most "ignorers" have their say while those in the minority continue to post? Hmmmm.
How 'bout we just don't have religion and politics forums. Honestly I think these rant-feats just clutter up the forum and get people banned. A rule against sock puppet accounts would be nice too
then there would be only a few posts left like:
my puppy is sick
Flock your puppy
you're too mean
what shall I do about my mother?
no, no, no,
better we should argue about religion and politics and discuss and disgust each other than way than to argue about
There is a difference between discussion between people of different views and insulting comments made by people who have nothing to add to the debate. I am a member of the Richard Dawkins site, because as an atheist I have an interest in what he has to say. However, some of the posts on there by fellow atheists are insulting to anyone who even slightly disagrees with the majority viewpoint. I once posted how, as an atheist I missed my former belief in God, because it used to give me comfort. I was told to "f--k off." I did so, and have not returned since. However, anger is evident from the religious just as much as the atheists. People tend to believe that anyone who does not share their exact views are deserving of their condemnation. However, the whole point of debate is to discuss and argue our views, with those who disagree with us as well as those who share our faith. If faith is so fragile, that it cannot stand up to a different understanding, then it is not faith worth having.
Ironic, a sock puppet opens a thread about hi-jacking threads.
Proof of a sock puppet?
(a) opening this thread makes no sense, especially coming from a newbie.
(b) opening this thread on it's specific topic shows they are another hubber.
(c) opening this thread due to the fact that the only other place this particular person has posted is in the religious forums, because no self respecting person would open a thread like this, if they posted elsewhere(in other threads)
(d) hi-jacking threads? Only appears to happen in the political and religious forums, and not in any others(excluding "hi-jack this thread" forum thread), and only a hubber who has been here a while would know about hi-jacking threads.
As for hi-jacking threads? It makes not a lick of sense. Political thread deviate from it's main topic, because there are so many inter-connected other topics which play a factor. As for religious threads, those type of thread are not technically hi-jacked, but appears to be, only because it is also such a large topic to discuss.
As for the voting up and down of individual posts? No. That would allow too much power to one individual group of people and would create a bias forum.
It looks to me like someone is trying to mess with the freedom of choice here.
Having been raised in America, seeing and being part of many sub cultures, the one thing that every one of them had in common was a freedom of choice. Each had religions, some were very different, they were cussed and discussed. People went off subject, many rehashed the same thing, it's human nature.
In my case I was raised to be American Indian, with their "religion" as part of my life. Have been wheelchair bound for 20 years. Lived in an Amish neighborhood. Spent time in a commune. Spent years in the military.
I was exposed to "spiritualism" "Mormonism" "Jehovah's Witness" "Amish" "Mennonite" "Lutheranism" "Catholicity" "Christianity" "Mid eastern" and more Religions.
In each case this was their right to talk. They had the freedom to choose what they said. I had the choice to listen or walk away. I don't see this as different for anyone. We have the choice to stay following a forum post or not.
I find that if you treat others as you want to be treated many problems can be avoided. One of the things I have said often is "Viva la difference", lets just part and remain friends. I found that the majority of people are adult enough to accept this.
We don't need special buttons or anything other than respect for everything in life.
I didn't have time to really read what this thread is really all about but I just was wondering was it Jahbs or Joebs? just wonderin'
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