Linking to a Pinterest board from a Hub page

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   B. Leekleyposted 12 years ago

   I am working on an as yet unpublished (as of 12-30-2011) hub about Marquette, Michigan. I found some relevant photos online that allow commercial use, and I'll include the best of those in the hub. I also found some good, relevant photos that I can't use because the license says no commercial use, or there is only a copyright notice, or there is no mention of what is permitted. I went into my pinterest.com account, created a 'Marquette' board, and pinned to it some of those photos that I cannot use in the hub. See
   
   http://pinterestcom/bleekley/marquette-michigan-and-the-u-p/
   
   Would it be within the hubpages.com rules for me to put that link in the hub, in some such line of text as, "For more images of Marquette and vicinity, click here."?
   
   To put the question in more general terms, is it okay to link in a hub to primary and secondary online sources of restricted license or copyrighted images,such as to a pinterest board or to a page in a website that is devoted to images? What images can I put into Pinterest or in one of my blogs or in Flickr or wherever and link to from a hub that I cannot according to the rules put in the hub?
   
   Or does that answer vary depending on the terms of the Creative Commons license, if any, for an image?
   
   How about a link to a particular photo, anywhere on the Internet?
   
   Is this the correct place to get an official decision or ruling, or should I contact the hubpages.com staff?
   
   I don't know if this is a new question or not. Hub Pages, so far as I can tell, does not provide any way to search the forums. 'Search' only searches hub pages and hubbers.

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      Dale Hydeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I am not sure why this was never answered, B. However, I will either use my own material, or material that I have permission to use from the creator, or the Creative Commons Licensing material.
      
      I would like to see some input here from those who may have the answers you raise as well.

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         B. Leekleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks for responding, Dale. My question was not about the use of images in a Hub -- I do as you do regarding those -- but rather about linking to such a site a Pinterest. One of these days I'll pose the question to HubPages staff. As for my Introduction to Marquette, Michigan hub, I ended up using, with permission, photos taken by my wife.

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            Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            As long as the links are relevant to your hub, you are allowed to link to outside sources, including photos. However, no more than two links per hub to the same website (domain) are allowed. This is because of the rules concerning "overly promotional."
            
            It is not necessary to write "click here," as long as there is a link. It is also not advisable due to AdSense rules against encouraging clicks on ads, and there is always the possibility of confusion.

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               WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Exactly.
               
               Although I have wondered how Pinterest gets around the legal issue of allowing you to pin any photo that you want. They don't seem to mind letting you pin any photos, whether they have strict copyright or not!

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                  Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  WryLilt, now you've made me wonder, too!

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                     WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     http://www.quora.com/Are-users-of-socia … -copyright
                     
                     Basically, it's our responsibility as pinners, just like it is on Hubpages, to make sure we can use it. Bet a lot of pinterest members don't bother reading the fine print!

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                        B. Leekleyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        So I might not be staying within the rules if I were to pin to a Pinterest board a bunch of photos that are relevant to a hub in progress and not clearly in the public domain or designated commercial use OK and to then link the hub page to that Pinterest board? Whatever Pinterest's rules are, would that link be against hubpages.com rules, or be of questionable legality? If such a Board is OK at Pinterest, why would a link to it not be OK? If it is not OK at Pinterest, why do they allow it and give little or no caution? Pinterest is set up so that all links trace back to the source, so there an image is for noncommercial use with proper citation. Anyway it's an academic question for me now, since in my Introduction to Marquette hub I ended up using only my wife's photos and none from the Internet.

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                           Website Examinerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           WryLilt is not talking about the HubPages rules. I still believe my answer, as stated above, covers your situation. You can link to them.
                           
                           You could study Section 4 of the HubPages terms of use, which prohibit linking to unrelated content and malicious sites, etc.:
                           
                           http://hubpages.com/help/user_agreement

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                              WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Agreed.

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                  Greekgeekposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Pinterest claims that its users are not allowed to post copyrighted images, however many do. It's against their TOS, but if they don't start enforcing it, they're going to be slapped with a lawsuit sooner or later.
                  
                  Pinterest troubles me. I'm terrified someone's going to pin my best photos, thereby competing with my original articles in search results and/or embedding them on other websites since Pinterest provides handy embed codes for image thieves!
                  
                  It's like they just don't care. Creative Commons? To them, ALL images are Creative Commons, nevermind what the photographers want!
                  
                  Pinterest's lack of respect for copyright doesn't give us a free pass to post photos on Pinterest that we wouldn't be allowed to put on our hubs, then link to them. No way. It's a violation of copyright, and "other people are doing it" doesn't get us off the hook. I'm sure that if many photographers realized their photos had been pinned, they'd be filing DMCA notices.
                  
                  As someone who distributes some of my original art and photos for Creative Commons, while keeping others that I sell on Zazzle or use to drive image search traffic to my own articles, I'm agitating against Pinterest as a convenient, illegal, unethical way to get around copyright.
                  
                  Think about what "pinning" a photo does to the copyright holder. Photographers earn a living through photos. On the web, many of us get traffic to our articles through image searches. If you redistribute photos illegally, for free, you'll not only be violating the photographer's copyright and making it difficult to sell those photos. You'll also be competing against the copyright owner for image search traffic using the photographer's own photos against him/her.
                  
                  Pinning copyrighted photos is like taking someone else's Hub and putting ads on it so you can earn money off their work. Even if you don't make money from it, Pinterest does, since it has ads.
                  
                  Also worth noting: Pinterest's TOS claims it gets the rights to any image posted on Pinterest, and it can sell them or sublicense them. And again, Pinterest provides embed codes so that any image pinned there can be displayed on third party websites, turning it into a free photo hosting service.

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                     WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     SO agree!

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                        WryLiltposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Just finished my article on Wizzley about it. I linked to your above post. However if you ever do an article about it, let me know and I'll link that.

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   B. Leekleyposted 12 years ago

   Thanks, Greekgeek, for clarifying what I suspected to be so.

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   kirstenblogposted 12 years ago

   How would 'pinning' on Pinterest be different to posting to my FB page something I find and like enough to want to share it?

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